Doomsday Clock Moves Closer to Midnight, in Part Because of Trump,

This is still a thing?

This is why people dont trust science anymore.

>Those include a rise in strident nationalism worldwide

oh no people want to put their own country first its the end of the world guys the nazis are coming

>>104413
They didn't care when it moved up 2 minutes under Obama.

>People with inflated opinions say the world is closer to ending

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>>104413

I know Krauss personally. He's a world-class self-promoting media-whoring asshole and mediocre physicist. Fuck Krauss.

That said, he lends his shine to a couple legit brilliant physicists/educators who tend to shun media attention like Tanmay Vachaspati get to the major academic outlets they deserve.

This thread
>science is bullshit! My opinions ars all that matters
>nationalism is okay! It totally works in a global economy where the whole world is connected
>It's all just bullshit propagated by the media to make money!
I'm gonna be laughing my ass off in hell when humanity is ruined because trump thinks nukes are under-utilized

>>104446
Youre not going to be laughing at anything you miserable slime bag.

idiots
global cooling is way worse than warming

>>104446
You're an idiot, and OP's two dipshits are just sensationalizing everything to their own benefit.

Clinton wanted nuclear war with Russia over hacking, and you twats think Trump is horrible. Fucking idiots.

>>104446
The doomsday clock is not science.

>>104494
>Clinton wanted nuclear war with Russia over hacking
[citation needed]

>>104512

>you don't understand
>if they don't want an alliance, they clearly want WAR
>there is no such thing as being neutral

Don't bother arguing, the "[x] wants war with Russia" narrative is just a bunch of bullshit to try and force the Russo-American alliance that Vlad desperately wants.

>>104413
>It's the closest the clock has been to midnight since the Cold War of the 1950s.

So the "scientists" did see a need to move the clock up, when Hillary and Obama turned the MidEast into a apocalyptic medieval hell hole with bazillions of refugees fleeing to Europe, because?....

>>104413
>Scientisis Move Doomsday Clock to Two and a Half Minutes to Midnight

“Scream for me, /news/!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXPmz9b4lM

>>104518
>So the "scientists" did see a need to move the clock up,

that should read "DIDN'T see a need".

>>104518
You realize, we were fucking the middle east way before Clinton and Obama, right?

>>104446
Nationalism works because it is at its heart competition. It is uniting people in the face of an adversary, and working together to destroy said enemy peoples completely to take their resources. In such a world, the fear of not being able to see the next generation and the desire/lusts for other's riches drives human ingenuity forward and binds monocultural ethnostates into a single whole, while also weeding out the useless or trash societies/ethnicities.

>>104516
Let's just totally ignore her stance regarding a Syrian no fly zone.

We are on 4chan, where the facts are meaningless and everyone's a faggot, right?

>>104413
I wasn't alive in 1963, but I doubt this is what it felt like. Doesn't seem as drastic as the Missile Crisis.

>>104525
Wow.
That sure was a lot of words.

u have 1 job donald, make it happen. www

>>104493
It's global energizing (warming) and it produces extremes. It's only cold where and when it's normally chilly except more so some of the time (extremes): mostly it's hotter, which would explain the last 3 hottest years on record have been 2014-2016.

>>104523
His point stands. Deflecting faggot.

>>104421
Uh, yeah that is basically what started the first two world wars, and the only two nuclear weapons used ever in war. So yeah, pretty fucking bad. Maybe we should, oh, I don't know, try cooperating before we turn our whole planet to fucking glass

>>104566
>it produces extremes
We shall see. Makes no sense tbh. How does a planet get extra hot and cold.

Are you talking about extreme shit like tornadoes? Cause those are down...

More doomsday propaganda. "The planet is getting a bit warmer" isn't provocative enough.

>>104518
The Doomsday Clock was moved up in 2012.

>>104587
Communism started the world wars. The polar opposite of nationalism.

>>104525
What you just described is total war. I don't see how you could possibly see total war as a productive state for a globalized society

>>104591
There was one communistic state, the Soviet Union. Whereas pretty much the rest of Europe either nationalistic or got conquered by nationalists. Communism did play a crucial role in both world wars, but nationalism and imperialism is what started both wars and were the main driving force behind what made them so severe

>>104597
Are you serious. Hitler made a preemptive strike. The commies were coming.

Do you believe in gas chambers too?

>>104518
I know its too much to ask to be informed around here. But if people actually watched/read the presentation, they'd realize most of their reasoning for the move came from a varity of events. However a good chunk of their talk was based on failed cliamte change talks and China's intent to help pakistan develop on their nukes. A country that has had to be talked down from nuking India multiple times since Clinton.

The scitents could give a fuck less about Trump. They make it pretty clear that it's congress in America that needs to change.

>>104589
>>>www.nasa.gov/climate/

>>104413
>Those include a rise in strident nationalism worldwide
if i view it a certain way, i could believe it

the potential conflict between the increasingly extremist left that would do anything to keep their power,
and those groups reacting against that (sometimes in the form of nationalism) who may become just as extreme.

but obviously what they mean here is the usual paranoid fantasies leftists have about nationalism

>>104637
Do you feel smart making a post like this?

>>104597
Do you realize that you are arguing with a retarded monkey?

>>104654
Not really, it's a low effort post

Do you feel smart not understanding the implications of climate change?

>>104666
Lemme know when those tornadoes and hurricanes are going to come back, since you know the future.

>>104668
Tornados never really went away

However I'd not use this as evidence of climate change, it might be a good exercise for you to find out why that might be

>>>https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/tornadoes/201613

>>104523
>You realize, we were fucking the middle east way before Clinton and Obama, right?

I don't remember Libya collapsing into madness until Hillary had Gaddafi sodomized with a bayonet, nor was Syria in a civl war, until Obama armed the "democratic" rebels and I don't remember an uncontrolled mass migration of Middle Easterners and Africans pouring into Europe until those two pitched the Muslim world into civil war, all to insure Israel's security.

>>104675
>Similar to the previous four years, tornado activity across the U.S. during 2016 was below average.

Youre probably that same fag who was posting generic links before. Looks like you dont even read them.

>>104694
I guess book learnin ain't your strong point

>>104697
Aren't you the guy who accidentally supported the wrong argument?

>>104597

You're arguing with someone who has no concept of world history and thinks the holocaust was a conspiracy theory.

Don't waste your effort on that mongoloid.

>>104692

Nigger we've been fucking with the middle east since the 1970s.

Seriously, read a history book for fuck's sake

>>104715
The millions of refugees who arrived in Europe along with the eu's inability to handle the crisis is what caused the dreaded nationalist rise in the first place. Either these Scientists were too short sighted to see the cause and effect as it happened or they're wilfully ignoring causes of instability relating to the globalist landscape they claim keeps away their midnight scenario.
Everyone knows about the first Gulf War but the result was never this dire for the western world which is why your historical deflections are irrelevant.

>>104702
Short term weather =! long term climate

And if you look at the trend in the last fifty years in that link tornado occurrences are steadily increasing

But I wouldn't read too much into that

>>104413
TWO

>>104418
>because they disagree with it
Exactly

>>104525
It is not about the nationalism, but about the backlash from the globalists.
They will fight back to stop people from looking inward during this nationalistic period and finding out who has been fucking them over for all this time.
War will start to avoid the globalists from being prosecuted.

>>104413
isn't that krausse guy on the left there an ardent liberal SJW? He thinks he is an anti-theist like Dawkins.....pretty ,much gets butt blasted over republicans...

What's weird is when Obama approved the Iran deal & gave them all the money, the clock did not move....hmmm

Also, when Putin straight up said if hillary gets it there will be war, the clock also was not moved and the media never cared if it did until now....

I smell a rat

>>104525
>It is uniting people in the face of an adversary
Yes and that adversary is Trump

>>104748
False. Over recent years tornadoes are down. And long-term there has been no significant change. The only increase is in EF-0 tornadoes, and that's because we're better at monitoring them.

Your website.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-information/extreme-events/us-tornado-climatology/trends
>Many significant tornadoes may not make it into the historical record since Tornado Alley was very sparsely populated during the 20th century
>This disparity between tornado records of the past and current records contributes a great deal of uncertainty regarding questions about the long-term behavior or patterns of tornado occurrence.
>Improved tornado observation practices have led to an increase in the number of reported weaker tornadoes, and in recent years EF-0 tornadoes have become more prevelant in the total number of reported tornadoes.
>The bar charts below indicate there has been little trend in the frequency of the stronger tornadoes over the past 55 years.

There you go again proving you have even read those links you smugly copy and paste. Now, go do some reading you fuckin poser.

>>104777
Because scientists use their credibility for unscientific political agendas.

>>104945
You might remember I said

>>104675
>Tornados never really went away
>However I'd not use this as evidence of climate change, it might be a good exercise for you to find out why that might be

And

>>104748
>Short term weather =! long term climate
>But I wouldn't read too much into that

So well done on taking my advice there and reading up on why tornado occurrences shouldn't be used as evidence for climate change

Kinda makes your original point about tornadoes moot doesn't it?

>>104952
>Kinda makes your original point about tornadoes moot doesn't it?
No, it doesnt. I was asking if by "extreme weather" anon meant tornadoes.

Sometimes thats what people mean by that.

Was that you? Did you make that statement then refuse to clarify?

Or did you have a kneejerk reaction you couldnt contain? Triggered by a "science denier" perhaps.

Either way, you should post less.

>>104958
I took your original statement as
>>104589
>>it produces extremes
>We shall see. Makes no sense tbh. How does a planet get extra hot and cold.
>Are you talking about extreme shit like tornadoes? Cause those are down...
>More doomsday propaganda. "The planet is getting a bit warmer" isn't provocative enough.
That because observed tornados are down the last couple of years, climate change predictions are all wrong

My argument is that tornadoes being down in one part of the world for a few years is a really small lens to apply to a much larger issue

Long term global climate is not short term local weather

>>104959
Well that's your mistake. Now quit stating the obvious as if I disagreed.

>>104946
>Because scientists use their credibility for unscientific political agendas.
>unscientific people use their political agendas to attack scientists (not their scientific findings)
I certainly know which one of the two I see more off

>>104972
There can be two bad things? Maybe...

>>104692
I know its common for Americans not to remember anything beyond 8 years. But htf can you really forget the start of all these wars under bush?

With the ME in general we stuck are dick in a beehive when we pushed the jews onto their land at the cost of the natives and have since been fucking or getting fucked.

It has also been proven time and time again we can't just leave the muslims alone unless we want to abandon our allies and hide under the bed sheets. Just look at the long periods of time we did nothing there yet still got attacked both at home and afar.

As for your specific points:
Gaddafi was Obamas fault. Libya was a shit hole but now its just the Saud's bomb playground.
Syria was going to war no matter what. The arab spring and wanting of a more democratic gov were the reasons people started rebelling. That place serves as a warning that the US gets bitched at if it helps or doesn't help.
Africans were always pouring in mass into the EU. Problem is if it isn't on CNN it must not be a problem. ME mass flight is on us for the wars and refusing to up the money sent to Turkey/UN for refugee containment.

It's shit like this and other liberal pandering nonsense.

I don't even get mad anymore, I just laugh.

>>105107
>liberal

Christ, I hate Yanks.

ohhh NOW that clocks moving, guess the migrant crisis Isn't that big of a deal anybody!

>Science is not a modern day equivalent of a state religion

>>104413
>Krauss was born in New York City, but spent his childhood in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He was raised in a Jewish household.

Every. Single. Time.

>>104946
everyone does that
there is no profession that does not try to use its clout in politics, from scientist to engineer to psychologist to doctor to businessman to farmer to fucking trash collector
it's not new either, the whole reason this "doomsday clock" exists is because scientists in the 1950's were worried about being blown to smithereens and threw some weight around

>>104423
they who? it was in the news

>>104494
>Clinton wanted nuclear war with Russia over hacking
bullshit
no one wants nuclear war with Russia
no one has ever wanted nuclear war with Russia except the deluded and the suicidal

>>104730
so what was different this time? or I should say, what was different *the last time* we fucked with the Middle East?

>>104757
MINUTES

>>104591
nationalist socialism, actually

>>104494
"Alternative Facts"

>>105109
the clock is supposed to count down to the end of all humanity, not the end of white Europeans

>>104494

nuclear war with russia LOOOOL

what a fucking loonie

>>104539

>Let's just totally ignore her stance regarding a Syrian no fly zone.

Wanting a no-fly zone=/=wanting a nuclear exchange with Russia.

One could theoretically lead to the other, but there would be no guarantee of escalation, and more likely would have led to one side or the other backing down or negotiating a deal. A no-fly zone would have been an intimidation tactic and bluff, and the question would have been if Russia would call the bluff. This is of course assuming things would have ever reached this point. Clinton would have been cautions to actually implement the no-fly zone (potentially keeping it as a rhetorical threat and not actual policy, not unlike many of Trump's campaign promises), given that a called bluff would be a blow to American prestige, and direct action against Russian aircraft would have had the remote possibility of war. Yes, you read that right, "remote." Turkey had already shot down Russian aircraft within this conflict, which merely caused an international incident. Additionally, the US and Russia (then USSR) have both shot down aircraft belonging to the other nation at one point or the other, though not in an active combat zone. While that certainly not good for relations, full escalation would have been unlikely, since neither party would have anything to gain from such a conflict.

Ultimately it doesn't even matter because the Russians are already leaving Syria.

Also, your original argument was "Clinton wanted nuclear war with Russia over hacking." (>>104494), nothing to do with the no-fly zone. That argument held zero water, so at least you switched to an argument that has a possibility of armed conflict, though unlikely.

>>105397
This is the closest a lefty gets to admitting fault

>>105430
the only leftist position I have that I can think of is welfare
the left can get fucked, the right can get fucked, the scientists throwing their weight around can get fucked, and you in particular can fucked
all I'm saying is that A) it's a bit hypocritical to say that while being in pretty much any profession and B) the public doesn't actually care, unless someone who they do care about tells them to

>>105436
>ramble ramble
>virtue signaling
>irrelevant ad homs
>platitudes and no fucking point

Yeah... thats a leftist.

>>104413
Insert Dr. Manhattan quote here.

It doesn't matter at all how close it is to midnight. The threat of nuclear war is always going to be there as long as nuclear weapons exist. The fact is that everyone still believes in mutually assured destruction. If they kill us, we kill them back.

>>365942754
Hahahahahahah

>>106736
Are you a time traveller from the future?

>>104495
THIS

Honestly, I think we've reached a point where things won't get better. I'm pretty much just waiting for the nukes to fly.

>>106768
Thinks look great to me. For everyone except Africa and the middle east.

>>106768
Whom going to nuke who, anyway?

>>106773
the next emerging economic powerhouses will be in Africa

>>104587
The first world war was started over an assassination.

The second was really just a result of the first war's aftermath.

AKA the way Germany was punished after the first war, and the effects it had on it's economy.

Everything else, from the rise of Hitler, to da joos, was all just a consequence of that.

>>105402
not him, but the other times were more isolated, and the conditions in both the middle east AND the US/Europe were different.

in the 70's we got involved with Iran. The result was the Islamic revolution. The end result of that was Iran withdrawing into it's shell and discarding westernization. there was very little "refugee" action, and even less who went to Europe or America, since at the time both still somewhat strict with their policies, and there was no desire to import them here.

When Bush HW fought Saddam the first time, it resulted in Saddam withdrawing his forces and giving up, but we didnt actually go after him. We left him there.

though by then the floodgates were truly open wide for anyone to come in, Im not so sure that many entered the US, in part because of Saddam still being in full control.

past the 90's, Clinton opened us up to globalism and it just because accepted as the norm that because of the internet, we would somehow HAVE to globalize, and obama furthered this by importing as many shitskins as he could in the resulting refugee crisis precipitated by our destabilizing the entire region and killing the iron fisted leaders who kept people from leaving.

>>104587
The lack of wars is what is destroying our civilization. There is no longer competition, and the rise of great empires like back in the days before liberalism and globalism forced peace on everyone. Without the cleansing effect of war, humanity declines. Think, Pax Romana and peace killed the Roman empire, while they reached their golden age when they were attacking the barbarians around them.

This shit is so dumb. I want to say that if YOU care about this then you're an idiot.

>>106923
The second World war was a direct consequence of nationalism and expansionism in Germany

While the fallout from the first world war created the conditions in which the third reich arose, you can't gloss over the role that Hitler and his pals had. Without them whipping Germany up into a frenzy ww2 would not have happened.

The great depression did not only affect germany

>>104446
doomsday clock is all about science feels and the media is currently being paid to brainwash and shill congrats puppet

>>106930
>implying Hitler wasn't baited into war by commies.
>implying jews didnt trick Europe into destroying itself
>implying it wasnt all a ruse to grant jews 2 new homelands

>>106926
>The lack of wars is what is destroying our civilization.
> liberalism and globalism forced peace on everyone.
>Without the cleansing effect of war
> cleansing effect

Yeah, I'm sure nuclear Armageddon would just stir things up just great.

>>105406
That's basically the same thing.