Saddle thread? How much is there to the saddles = pressure on

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>>983209
Also, some random Brooks porn:

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>>983210

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>>983211

I've got PN 1.1. While it's a great saddle it took me some time to get used to. Absolutely no numbness or tingling in my crotch even after long rides. Also super comfy once your body gets used to it. Another massive advantage is that you can roll your hips forward when getting into an aero position while still staying comfortable.

If you do get one follow the installation instructions and don't install it like your normal saddle. And remember that you're supposed to keep your weight on the arms instead of where you'd keep on a normal saddle. If you try to use it like a normal saddle your thighs will rub the arms. Arms rubbing your thighs is also indication that you're probably not sitting in the right place.

>>983209
Brooks B17

There is clear evidence that cycling causes nerve damage in the perineum but there is not clear evidence that it causes long term genital dysfunction.

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10/10 inexpensive alternative, already put a 200km+ on it. Bell Sports Comfort @ $30

Waaaay the fuck better than the seat which came on my $2000 bike. No pain at all anymore. It's all about surface area and plush. Lots of XC, AM, City.

If you weigh under 140 lbs you may want something smaller though.

>>983209

>>983261

Entirely depends on the seat and person, don't talk in absolutes.

My friend had severe erectile dysfunction on his junk from his last bike seat until switching to >>983262

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Fucking love my saddle

>>983262
>It's all about surface area and plush.

That's the opposite of what is commonly accepted.

>>983262
>I only ride short trips around town

>>983262
>already put a 200km+ on it

In a single ride?

>>983333
In his lifetime, probably. 200km on that foamy thing would be chafing hell

If you really start to have crotch problems or you're simply really fat or have back issues..

Maybe consider testriding a [spoiler]recumbent[/spoiler]

Or try testing different saddles.

>>983262
Surface area and plush is only nice for shorter rides.

Either way it's going to depend on your own body.
But if you need more comfort and switching saddles doesn't fix the issues there's always the other option if you still want to ride recreationally.

If you are putting a lot of pressure on that area, the saddle is setup wrong. Your weight should be carried by your sit bones with minimal pressure forward of them. If the saddle is too far back, all your weight will be on your crotch.

I find the line between the saddle having the correct setback and angle is razor thin so its not surprising a lot of people get it wrong.

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SMP. Even the basic SMP TRK is godly.

>>983257
Brooks fetishists please go.

>>983364

SMP TRK is master race desu, It's cheap and it's almost guaranteed to save your dick.

Such a shame that the more narrow/lighter models cost 3-4x as much doe.

>>983366
>>983364
But it's so ugly though

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>>983209
>How much is there to the saddles = pressure on the crotch nerves thing?

It's very real. I think it's more of an issue for any position that isn't completely upright

My favorite saddle ever is the Selle Anatomica Titanico. I have an old 2010 model. It's heavy, made in USA (?). Very different from a Brooks. It's more like a hammock than a hard slice of leather. No break-in period

>>983356
How do you set up a normal saddle so that you can sit on your sit bones on a road bike. Like I understand the concept on more upright bikes and it probably works there. But I can't understand how you'd set up a traditional saddle on a road bike with aggressive geometry so you can sit on your sit bones. Unless you bend your back into unhealthy position.

The advantage with saddles like ISM and SMP is that you can roll your hips forward, which is the more natural position on a aggressive road bike and not have your soft tissue take up all the pressure while doing so.

>>983367
Who the fuck cares, you're going to be sitting on it. Or are you one of those guys that only ride between their home and the coffee shop and posts pictures of their bike to instagram?

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>>983262
>10/10 inexpensive alternative, already put a 200km+ on it.

That's great for you but I do nearly 200km in a single ride and foamy saddles get rough after an hour or two. What is your longest amount of time on it?

Here's a nice saddle for aggressive rides around 6 hours max, imho. Specialized Alias. Carbon body, Ti rails. It was $40 used on ebay

>>983369
I like my bike to look nice, don't you? Riding your bike and caring about its looks aren't mutually exclusive

>>983364
>SMP. Even the basic SMP TRK is godly.

I was dead-set on getting the TRK but then I sat on an SMP Extra and it felt terrible. Have any experience with the Extra? The shape looks similar

SMP TRK consistently gets the best reviews around the interweeb, along with the ISM for triathlon dudes

If you aren't riding the ISM with on-trend Tri stuff like short cranks and tri bars you might not get the full experience, but I know at least one pro rider has the ISM on his time trail AND road bike

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>>983209

I wear a heavy school bag for my daily commute and my current Velo saddle is just destroying my ass bones during the bumpy ride.

What too look for in a comfy commuter saddle that doesn't punish the scrotum?

>>983364
>bicycle tourers please go

Yeah I mean, what would they know about good saddles, right?

>>983367

Yes, its fat, wide, and ugly as fuck but it works. What's more important, how something looks or the livelyhood of you dick?

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>>983377

The offender. I don't wear padded cycling shorts.

>>983370

Shit son, that looks comfy as fuck. Might get it used if the price is right.

>>983385
It's not. Your ass starts hurting 2-3 hours in then gets worse with every minute, just like every other plastic saddle.

>>983374
The ISM doesn't actually require you to have any tri/tt memes to be useful. Most of their saddles work for both tri/tt bikes and road bikes. If you've got a really upright position might want to look into their touring saddles.

The reason why triathlonists jumped into the ISM bandwagon first is that for them being comfy on the bike is really important. That's because they've still got a marathon to run after the bike stage on full length triathlon. Their cycling part is also a lot longer than TTs usually are. So while cyclists could force through the pain on their TTs it just doesn't work for triathlonists. On a normal road bike your position isn't as aggressive so a normal saddle doesn't cause as much problems but is still noticeable on longer rides. Cyclists are also used to riding through pain and holy shit is cycling stuck on tradition. So getting people to use saddles that are better for them is really hard even with solid proof of their effect because of the muh looks and muh tradition cucks.

>>983372
>>983367
>I care more about how my bike works than how my dick functions

>>983388
*how my bike looks

>>983388
I care about both

>cyclists having to think this hard to prevent erectile dysfunction

Is that why some lycra fags rage over nothing? Lashing out to make up for the fact that they can't get it up?

>>983382
Dude i have same saddle and do heavy hag riding.

Move up on the seat amd let your balls get some air and youll be fine.

Dont try sitting there for 6 hours a day tho. I need to upgrade soon

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I like this one, good for stamina building.

>>983386
>It's not. Your ass starts hurting 2-3 hours in then gets worse with every minute, just like every other plastic saddle.

How exactly do you ride? If you have correct saddle to bar drop, the seat is comfy as heck. Try to ride it upright and you will hate yourself

This saddle came in 3 sizes to meet your sitbone needs, and has a flexy carbon body. You can make it flex with very little weight applied babe.

>>983388

So do you think an ISM would work on a touring bike set up real aggressive? That's kinda where my dream bike lives.... going the farthest I can in a day without many food stops. Working on a frame bag to get more aero than panniers and have been reading up on Tri stuff (shorter cranks are great so far)

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>>983377
>I wear a heavy school bag for my daily commute and my current Velo saddle is just destroying my ass bones during the bumpy ride.

Regardless of your saddle, getting the weight off your back will be a huge improvement. Consider a rear rack with panniers (some covert to a backpack) or a front rack / basket. Seriously, it makes a huge difference.

You could even go for something stupidly heavy but simple like pic related ($50). But a rear rack with a milk crate strapped on ($20?) is a good beat too if you don't care about speed or looks

If you want to spend big money and keep the back pack, maybe a Brooks b67 --- it has springs. Meant for upright riding

>>983436
You could probably get one to work. I haven't done super long rides with mine yet as it's still relatively new. A few 70 - 100 km rides besides the normal commute. But nonetheless after the first few weeks of getting used to it I haven't had any problems even on the longer rides.

The only problem you might have is if your geometry isn't aggressive enough and can't get your weight on the saddle as it's supposed to be. If you're on the saddle too upright it'll be just like any other saddle. Probably even worse when it comes to comfort as it's not designed to be ridden like that.

I'm going to Mallorca on the 30th for 2 weeks and have a road bike rented for the whole duration. I plan on taking my saddle with me. I should know a lot more about spending entire days in the saddle after that.

>>983443

K...KEEP ME POSTED

OP here, thanks, especially >>983215.

One thing I'm wondering - I have a relatively upright riding position most of the time. Are the normal ism saddles still going to be good or do I have to go with one of the super cushioned bike cop ones?

Bike fit is probably the thing I know the least about when it comes to bikes, honestly.

>>983438
>some convert to a backpack

Or, get a better bag and stick it in an Ortlieb. That's how I do it when I'm not working - I don't know of any pannier backpack that's as nice as most other daypacks.

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>>983466
You can have a quite upright position work with their road saddles as long as there is some forward lean on your upper body. If you've got a straight back then getting one to work might be harder.

Check out if they've got any vendors with test saddles near you and try out their saddles.

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>>983262
>>983370
Averaging 3-4 hour rides on the $30 Bell no pain. I do a lot of offroad, so it's less about distance, more about time.

Gone up to 5 hours no pain aside from small amounts of regular bike short chafing after that long. I wear chamois/spandex shorts. No tail bone, pelvis, or ass pain with this seat, which is the whole point....

>>983291
It's basic physics: More surface area = less pressure on any one point.

"commonly accepted" is just for less weight (and size) for competition, as usual in the bike industry.

>>983751
While that is true it doesn't mean a plush and massive saddle you see on town cruisers is actually good for spending long periods of time in saddle.

Most of them cause massive chafing and become uncomfortable after spending more than 30 minutes on the saddle. They work great if you ride an upright bike for short periods of time at once. Much less so if you spend lots of time in the saddle.

And while hard saddles do take some time to get used to they are better after your body gets used to them.

>>983210
The one on the left is a Berthoud of some sort, which is made from thicker leather than a Brooks, is supposedly waterproof, and is hideously expensive.

Recently, I tried a Bianchi Infinito CV Chorus with Fizik Aliante R7 Mg saddle, and it's crazy how fucking comfy that setup was. It was as comfy as my big steel touring bike but almost as quick as my crit bike, but with a lot more composure. I wish I could justify dropping $5K on the whole bike, but I'm a poorfag so maybe I'll just get a saddle.

>>983438
>But a rear rack with a milk crate strapped on
...makes your bike want to fall over every time you stop.

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I want to poop on this

>>983751
>More surface area = less pressure on any one point.
But that's the opposite of what you want. You have hard bits in you ass, and soft bits. You want the pressure to be on the hard bits. If it's evenly distributed all over your ass you'll cut blood flow and upset nerves in the soft bits and end up in massive pain and with a limp dick. Yes, sitting on your seatbones while pedaling takes some getting used to, but it's the only way. Soft and heavily padded saddles are a dead end.

>>983803

Out of all the seats posted thus far, that one looks the comfiest.

>>983991

Until you try to pedal.

>>983370
I have that saddle
The bumps in the back feel weird after 5 miles
Don't hurt but you can defs feel them

>>984005
...the bumps in the back is where you're supposed to be sitting

>>984008
Only if you sit in an old guy upright position

>>983209
I really don't like ISMs, I tried to like them, I thought I would. The nose it just too damn wide if you sit on it like a normal saddle, and sitting on the nose like you're supposed to hurt because it didn't match up to my sit bones.

Try to test ride one or buy a knockoff before committing.

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It's pathetic as fuck that cycling has been turned into such an "equipment sport".

>>984036
Cycling has always been an equipment sport. It's not like you can do it with a stick and a tennis ball and four rocks.

Got a spring loaded Brooks saddle for my Dutch bike.

>you will never be as comfy as me

>>984011
>I didn't read the instructions and blame it on the saddle when I used it wrong
You're not supposed to sit on it like a normal saddle. Yes the nose is too wide and will rub your thighs if you do this. They also straight up tell you this in all their installation/help materials.

You're also not supposed to sit on the arms like on a normal saddle. It's not meant to use your sit bones because you can't use your sit bones when you're in an aggressive aero position. Instead you should roll your hips forward and have the weight on your pubic rami. It really isn't that hard to understand if you read through the installation material that comes with the saddle.

The people that claim ISM doesn't work for them are always the ones that got one, threw away all the manuals because they're a strong independent man and don't need no manuals. Then blame it on the saddle when they have it installed in incorrect position and use it wrong.

>>984010
Not really, that's where your sitbones would be on any saddle, unless you're some TTfag who slides forward

>>984036
>>984037
Yeah, why doesn't everyone just ride wallmart bisykles while wearing construction worker clothing like in the ye good olden days :((((

Seriously, I mean that you like need a specially constructed special helmet for that even! How crazy is that? I noticed that my childs hokey helmet works just as well and the people riding tour de france really wouldnt need anything else than an old grandmama bike to prove that they are the real men!!!

Truly is sad how bisygling has turned in to such an equipment sport in the last couple of months.

>>984132
I did read the manual

> It's not meant to use your sit bones because you can't use your sit bones when you're in an aggressive aero position.
>>The reason for this lower height is that you ride slightly higher on ISM seats, by resting on your pubic rami bones and sit bones, rather than soft tissue areas.
>hurr durr read the manual

I really hate the kill yourself meme, but kill yourself.

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>>984100
hello

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>>983368
>It's more like a hammock

The Pedersen was truly ahead of its time, that thing had an actual hammock.

>>984238

C O M F Y

>>983210
I have the black titanium swift on the right. Gorgeous saddle

>>984216
Thanks for reminding me when I had to oil a recumbent tandem.
Time consuming shit.

So what's going to go wrong if I just DIY a noiseless saddle by lopping off the front of the saddle?

>>985413
Bump for this.

>>985413
Might encounter issues with control depending on how much you lop off, and how much you lean into turns using your seat.

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Considering purchasing one of these Fizik Arione VSXs. My current saddle has no cutout and my cock and balls go numb after an hour or so. Any thoughts?

>>986123
Get a saddle fitted specifically for you.

Different people have different bone structures.

>>983209
Warning: I am a recumbentfag, after many years of owning only upright bikes

You can try different saddles but none of them are really comfortable; you end up with your weight focused on a very small area of tissue.
No other vehicle anywhere uses bicycle-style saddles, and there is reasons for that.

Almost ALL of these 'modern' designs--like dual noses, holes in the saddles, extra padding, sling saddles (anybody remember those ones made from handlebars?,,,, that is a 100+ year-old thing too), double-buttpad style saddles,,,, all of this shit is over 115 years old. If you look in Google Books you can see vintage magazines that show pretty much the exact same things, just made from different materials.

Two that I still find unique:
1. The Moonsaddle is an extra-odd one in that it can be used forwards or backwards. Different people report it being "better" both ways. There has been very old designs much like it tho.

2. The Manta saddle is the only one that I can honestly say I think is not new. I've looked through a lot of ~100 year old bicycle preiodicals doing other reference work, and I don't recall seeing anything remotely like the Manta.

If butt pain is keeping you from riding a normal bike, then get a recumbent.
Recumbent riding shorts don't even have padding in them, and most of the ass, hand and neck pain you get on an upright bike never happens on a recumbent. It's easier to find clothes that fit well too.
Having a upright bike that is properly sized, and having some bike enthusiasts critique your riding posture can help, but it will never really be 'comfortable'. It is only "comfortable enough for ~1 hour rides".
A lot of "casual" riding clubs take breaks every hour on long rides, mainly cause their ass hurts after that long in the saddle.
See I told you I was a recumbentfag.

>>983364
Just ordered one of these. What am I in for?

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>>983398
That looks like a gooch chisel.

>>986156
sounds like you're just too much of a bitch to ride a proper bicycle

>>983443
>>983453
I guess I promised to write up something about the saddle with more experience on it. I Now have put 330 km and well over 10 hours on it in the last 3 days. With plenty of climbing and even a good 20 km stretch of cobbles in there. My saddle is the PN 1.1


So far no problems what so ever. No numbness in dick and balls and no asspain from being seated hours at a time. Even climbing with hands on the tops and staying relatively upright hasn't caused any problems so far. Same way no problems with taking aggressive position to fight strong head winds. If I did climb tons back home I might prefer the model with wider back that could allow you to use it like a normal saddle on the climbs. Might help make climbing a bit easier if you could switch positions on the saddle. But for my use which is few weeks of heavy climbing a year this one works perfectly well.

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>>983368
I was looking at getting one of these but they're pretty hard to find in the UK. In the end I got a good deal on a brooks swallow titanium which is essentially the same design, I think it has a longer nose. All the brooks models have different tension and some are more hammocked than others.

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Can someone recommend a white saddle for a steel road bike?

My build is almost finished. Going for white tape with white saddle. It should be comfortable and not too expensive.

>>988918
>posts question and answer in the same post
Yes, Turbos are great.

>>986123
Went ahead and purchased this saddle and I am actually quite pleased with it. No numbness and being able to move around on the saddle is quite nice! Seems like Fizik's spine concept deal is pretty correct and not completely a marketing gimmick.

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>>988918

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>>988918
The San Marco Rolls is beautifull. I have a green one but will soon have two black Rolls Rino on my other bikes too and a Regal on the racer. Stuffing is thick but very firm. Wide at the back, but late flare and no "wings" digging into your thighs like on my old Selle Italias.

The Regal has a sportier look and pretty rivets. Both are leather-cover saddle but not structual leather hammocks like the Brooks. It's still a plastic frame saddle that doesn't require minute maintenence and get ruined if it happens to rain.
Seen in the pro peloton on Boonens bike only recently.

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>>983379
I know brooks are more than just a meme becouse there are just too many serious cyclists that use and/or respect the brand

but don't they go bad when exposed to rain and other forces of nature? that would be bad specially for touring

>>989114
Not if you're a fair-weather tourer. Some don't even use fenders. Look at veganrider.

>>989114
Protip: Stuff a plastic bag under the saddle and you have a more than sufficient rain cover for every situation you can imagine.

They do need the occasional waxing, though (like every leather product).

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>>983209
Adamo is much better than any traditional but if you have bike seat induced erectile dysfunction then your only option will be riding spongy wonder type seat with no nose at all

>>983527
Agreed, great saddle.

>>983803
h...how does that work?
do your balls just sorta flop right down into that hole there?

>>990569
I bought this because the mechbro at my LBS recommended it. Felt like my ass had been jackhammered for days after only a 30min ride.

>>990690

thats good though... right anon?

>>990689
Yes. If you OTB they get amputated, so it also forces you to bike safer. Great saddle.

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What are us mountain bikers to do? The geometry of almost all bikes (except cross country) is set mostly to benefit handling ability while standing with the seat lowered; seated pedalling comfort is secondary. Also dropper posts don't have options for lay back or lay forward which removes a further level of adjustability.

I regularly ride my 170mm bike for 4-6 hours at a time, which mostly consists of grinding up steep fire roads and then descending on trails. My ass is usually in quite a lot of pain by the end and I have to tilt my saddle forward a lot to avoid the dreaded penis numbness. I don't know of any bike shops in my city that allow you to trial saddles. How the fuck do I find something comfortable??

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Rode pic today for better downhill positioning over Bell Sports Comfort seat, rode for 5-6 hours.

Not bad... much easier to get around the seat, BUT ass hurts more than it does on the Bell Sports Comfort seat.

Comfort Power Ranking so far:

Bell Sports Comfort > ARS Standard >>> Stock

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5019-907/A-R-S-Standard-Saddle

>>983262

Guys, is there something like this but in reverse? I want my boy's clit to be numb and useless.

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>>991381
Charge makes pretty good ass hatchets, fifty miles on one is enough to turn even the most virtuous linkola into a foaming at the mouth cager

>>983210
are those brooks saddles actually that great or is it another /n/ meme?

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>>991392
There's a reason they are popular and it's not because they look "cool" (although it helps)

That said, it's not 1950 anymore, there are about 500 different knockoffs of that design so unless you are keen on showing off how not poor you are, you don't need to spend $150 to get a comfy saddle

Disregard crabbon freds who will fly into a rage at the idea of leather on a saddle, obviously if fred fashion is really important you can get one of these

>>983262

Now THIS is bait.

>>991394
Every patch of leather for a Brooks saddle is hand picked, cut and molded to ensure uniform stiffness and durability for a given model. I don't know how tight the QC is for those knockoffs, you might get a Brooks equivalent for half the price, or something that will become a floppy hammock 3 years down the line. I'd do extensive research before going down that route.

Hello- new to road biking but spent plenty of time with an XC MTB.

After a 20km each way commute I've got some pretty decent ache just behind my balls. Can this be tuned out with adjusting the saddle position?

The bike shop did a basic fit and the height is right, I do ride reasonably far forward on the nose, should I shift it forward?

>>991574
Except every Brooks expert will say the quality of the leather has gone downhill.

>>991842
>brooks expert
you mean "I was here first" internet hipster?

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>>991405
$30 vs $150+ monstrosities posted above
obviously comfy, just look at it

hmm

>>984008
I mean REALLY feel them anon

gonna bump this so i can read it before it's pruned

i need a new saddle.

I rode an Adamo for a year but found the lack of a nose on the saddle a real issue for any type of riding other than maybe triathlons. Without a nose you do lose some ability to control the bike, I switched to a selle smp saddle, which has a nose, huge cutout and is totally awesome, no numbness

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Are the memes real?

How long does it take for a Brooks saddle to break in?

>>994060
"Broken in" is not a binary state. It starts off slightly better than a plastic saddle then improves with every ride. I could see the first wrinkles under my sit bones after a couple hundred km, but I'm heavy.

So I started cycling to go around town and my sit bones hurt like a bitch. What are my options? Should I buy a new saddle, or is it something that takes time to get used to?

>>994202
Your ass just probably isn't used to riding. Take a week or two easily and if it still persists try a different saddle.

>>994239
OK thanks dude

>>984238
Holy shit, it's perfect!

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Anyone has/had the same issues on getting sore in the red circled area of the picture?

What does that mean?
Is the saddle to small, too big or the shape just not right for me?

>>994366
same problem dude! Have you been riding for a long time?
>>994239

>>994394
What do you mean?

Of course I have been riding a bike for a long time.

If you mean the average distance for a ride, then it's about 20-30 km I'd say.

>buy new bike
>comes with some Selle Italia saddle
>meh I'll give it a try
>the entire 15 km ride to work is torture
Ordering a second ISM as soon as I get back home from work, along with some longer stems. Before that arrives I'll have to use the one saddle I have on 2 bikes.

Unless riding with a backpack I don't usually feel too much pressure around the crotch, minor discomfort is something everyone gets used to.. right?

I ride a Brooks B17, Brooks B17 Champion Narrow, Fizik Arione CX Ti, Selle Italia Flite Ti, Selle Italia Turbo. Seriously considering getting a proper fit done so that I can narrow down this saddle roster to just two.

>>989135
On my touring bike I stuff a plastic bag for saddle covering, and a garbage bag to cover my tent, non waterproof, and generally exposed stuff

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Are brooks cambium saddles good?

Will it break from the front like in the videos on youtube?

Why shouldn't I blow 140€ on this right this instant?

>>997831
I've heard reports that the rubber goes as hard as concrete when it gets cold. And that isolation us nonexistent. If you plan on winter riding I'd steer clear. Pretty though.

>>997833
Well shit. Never even considered that. It gets hella cold here and now that you mention it I have heard that it tends to happen for example to shoes that have natural rubber.

The all natural organic rubber and all natural organic cotton is a bunch of feel good hipster bullshit. Why can't you just make it as durable and as practical as possible with reasonable means. They should not go full caveman with the material choices.

>>997831
It tears/ wares the fuck out of the ass if your pants.

>>997831
>Why shouldn't I blow 140€ on this right this instant?

There are better saddles, for less money, some by brooks as well. It's designed to appeal to vegan hipsters.

Nothing inherently wrong with the saddle, with the usual caveats.

>>983209
Stop it with this bike messenger bullshit at once
Seriously go fuck yourself

>>997838
I'm gonna suggest the San Marco Regal. Comfy as shit, the same kind of retro looks as the Cambium but with suede top layer instead of pant-destroyer fabric. And synthetic frame rather than natural rubber.

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I'm thinking of this. Thoughts?

etsy


com/listing

/205530527/vintage-floral-western-leather-bicycle?

ref=related-1

Btw, what the fuck is with not being able to post direct links all of a sudden?

>>999174
>Btw, what the fuck is with not being able to post direct links all of a sudden?
Anti-spam filters.

As for that saddle (old post, I know), it would be difficult to find the right bike + handlebar tape to match it to, so I wouldn't want it.

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everything else is pleb trash

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I want a comfy saddle for riding to class and back on my steel frame. Would pic related be worth $30 (AUD)

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>>1002238
another pic sorry meant to post this one, theres some rust but doesnt look too serious
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/brooks-saddle-/172326163322?hash=item281f70937a:g:4fUAAOSwU-pXuNMh

>>1002240
Those plastic Brooks-brand saddles aren't worth any more than any other plastic saddle, just fyi. $30 is pretty cheap though, might be worth a shot.

>>1002228
>gooch flapper

>>983265
Sorry, but your friend's experience does not trump actual research which has failed to show that cycling causes ED

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Anyone use a specialized power saddle? the guy at my LBS recommended it to me as i get pressure on my perenium after awhile as i have an aggressive riding position (5inch saddle to handlebar drop) saddly they no longer demo saddles and im not sure what other places around me do, its also expensive, the starting model is 130 CAD

>>983438
>a rear rack with a milk crate strapped on ($20?) is a good beat too if you don't care about speed or looks
You can always get a topeak milk crate, if you want looks but not speed.

>>1002244
It's a shit saddle that's not any better than a $10 saddle. The only reason to get it is hipster irony.

>>1002249
As long as the nose is wide enough to be used like an ISM nose then it should be pretty good. I don't have any personal experience with that saddle though. I've got pretty aggressive, thighs coming to contact with abdomen on every stroke when low on the drops aggressive, position and my ISM is pretty damn comfy. Even when hammering down the power and being on the rivet.

I bought my ISM blindly without demoing it and it's the best bike related purchase I've ever made. Recently bought a second one so I don't have to keep swapping the one saddle between bikes all the time.

>>1002272
do people actually use them for road use? i thought they were TT exclusive, i always see them at my LBS

>>1002345
I haven't seen anyone else use one on a road bike, or on any other kind of bike for that matter. But that's mostly because there isn't anyone that retails them around me and most people are afraid of buying saddles without testing.

I know that they're mostly used by TTers and especially trifags because they need to stay comfy to run after the bike leg. Cyclists and especially roadies are huge traditionalists and frown upon everything new even if it's much better. However there isn't anything that prevents using one on a road bike. They do have a few models that are designed mostly towards TTs but the performance long and narrow lineups are great for road bikes.

My only complaint in the PN1.1 I have is that the rear is a bit narrow when climbing. I'd prefer to sit on the back sometimes during long climbs and it's not ideal as it's so narrow. I bought a performance long one as the second saddle and it seems to be wide enough on the back for climbing comfort. On flats and descents I stay on the arms pretty much all the time. But I've only noticed that on really long and steep climbs where you keep going for ages at relatively low speeds and want to get into a more upright position. Doesn't bother me that much because there isn't any real climbing where I live. If you do the PL lineup is probably better. However after getting used to the saddle it's by far the best saddle I've ever tried. Absolutely no pressure on soft tissue. Did some 1200 km in 1.5 weeks on the PN1.1 few weeks ago, no issues what so ever.

Thinking of getting a SMP TRK to save my dick. Do I get it in a gaudy colour to double down on the ugly looks or just get black and hope no one notices.

Also what kind of benefit am I getting if I shell out more for a hell or something

>>1002345
I couldn't make an ISM comfortable on a road bike. It really doesn't seem to lend itself to people who move around on the saddle or different hip angles.

is the smp trek awkwardly wide for going fast? better to look at the extra?

what would be a good, relatively cheap, saddle for a folding bike?
Looking online I can't seem to find any that wouldn't be either super thin roadie saddle or a grandma bike couch

>>986231
>"gooch chisel"

Finer words have never been spoken.

>>991394
care to recommend some good brooks knock-off brands?
I want a leather saddle with decent quality but I don't want to pay through the nose for that brass badge at the back

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This is the most comfortable saddle I've ever used for road or MTB. Quite thick padding might not be up some peoples street but that plus the deep groove makes it perfect for anyone wanting to ride without a chamois.

have saddle rails been the same for a long time? I have a 1961 schwinn with original seatpost and saddle and I want to replace the saddle alone.

>>1003693

No experience with these

http://crowcycleco.com/bicycle-components/saddles-seats

http://www.permaco.com/en-us/dept_7.html

http://www.performancebike.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/mProduct1_10551_10052_1104873_-1_400195___catNav

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>>1004027
60's Schwinn cruisers and some middle-weights came with saddles that used the old-fashioned thick rails (pictured), while their 'light weight' road bikes came with saddles with standard tubular rails that are compatible with essentially any modern seatpost and vice versa.

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Is this genuine brooks or a knock off? I can't quite make out what it says exactly there and this is the best pic I have. It has 8k9 in plain font stamped on the underside

>>1003998
Seller makes those same saddles unbranded

It just has VADER on the seat rails all those fixie brands use them

most bicycle messengers dont give a fuck about which saddle they use, at least until they get a saddle sore and then they're all like "hey man can i borrow your flite for a few days?"

>>983527
Yep, 2 of my bikes have a Volt. The other two have WTB Rocket saddles.

Great saddles.

Oddly, I've been comfortable on a variety of saddles.

1. Specialized Toupe
2. Shimano Pro Griffon Hollow
3. Brooks Standard B17
4. Selle Italia Flite (with cutout)
5. Velo Pronto Z3

Pretty much all of them have cutouts except the Brooks. The Brooks is just comfy for some reason. But it is heavy as hell.

>>1004278
>cutouts
do you mean flow?

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Anyone else here just go for cheap saddles?
I have a:
Scott SCT - Okay. No cutout though which is something I have come to value. When I go back to this from the COSINE it seems super uncomfortable.
COSINE TI Endurance - Cutout is awesome. but the saddle just doesn't agree with my butt. Feels almost like being perched on it rather than sitting on it. Now resigned to the ever growing bike parts box. May stick on ebay/give to a club member.
Charge Spoon - Great saddle (for me)! Cutout doesn't come quite far enough forward, but still way better than the SCOTT. This one just feels so comfy.

So 3 saddles in and I'm down maybe $60. This is why I buy cheap saddles. Experiment, get one that's perfect. A few days ride on a borrowed saddle isn't going to tell you enough.

steve hogg told me to get smp salddle so thats what im doing motherfucker

I had a second hand steel seven speed with an Old selle saddle on it with a ridge in the middle. Found it hard to escape the numb dick and I bought a Specialized Toupe which the ass tester in the shop said fitted me the best, and it was pretty cheap desu.

Recently got a second hand Giant TCR 1 which had a semi old fashioned Fizik pave fitted on it...and it still sucks compared to my cheap specialized saddle. So now I have a Giant bike with a Specialized saddle

>>984036
Well running can fuck your feet if you don't get shoes with good support. I think this is more about being able to have kids.

>>1003998
>>1004145
>>Seller makes those same saddles unbranded

man, I was wondering. googling only returns Planet X and maybe one other euro site but charges way more.

I'm in the US so I'll probably spend more on shipping than the saddle if I get it from PX. I can pad out the order with socks etc, but could any kind anon point out a way to get this from a US seller?

>>983527
>>1004274
>>990564
may go for this one based on the feedback, thanks.

>>983265
Why would a seat cause erectile dysfunction?

>>1007384
pressure on nutbladder tubing

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>>983364
i bought this meme saddle. hope i didnt get trolled.

>>991574
This is such utter bullshit.

>EVERY SINGLE PATCH OF LEATHER IS HAND EXAMINED, HAND TESTED, HAND PICKED, CONDITIONED BY HAND AND ASSEMBLED BY HAND TO ENSURE PREMIUM FIT, PREMIUM THICKNESS, UNIFORMITY IN GRAIN AND PREMIUM LONGEVITY

Shill

>>1008870
Don't be mad you can't afford quality.

>>1008864
I got a brown one (kind of ugly compared to black) almost new off gumtree (craiglist) on the cheap and I find it really comfy. Don't get numb dick anymore when I try to ride aero.

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>>1009074
I only rode on it for 1 hour so far but it is so much superior to the archaic saddle it replaced.

TRK memes do not hold a candle to the Anatomica

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>>983209
I have a saddle which you need to be measured first. Idk if available in US, but it's the only comfy saddle I ever had. I can ride all day on the trekking saddle (pic related) in plain jeans. The brand is sqlab. They are very good IMO.
https://www.sq-lab.com/en/

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>>1009367

update:
I did one of my typical 35 mile rides where my ass hurts and my back is sore by the end, but with this saddle my ass did not hurt at all and my back was only on the brink of being sore.
the aggressive cutout helps to smooth out the bumps by quite a lot, I no longer feel my anus getting pounded on poor quality roads.
overall I am extremely glad I bought one.

>>1009367
>>1010724

The only bad thing about the basic TRK is that it is vinyl so you get sweaty.
But with upper range leather SMPs we have something that can at last replace Brooks.

>>1010724
your next upgrade needs to be that seatpost, holy jeez

>>1010732
I sweat considerably less compared than when I used the old saddle. that huge cutout seems to work.

>>1010760
its vintage :^)
I'm surprised you didn't say anything about those god-awful center pull brakes.

So could someone give some general guidelines on choosing the right saddle or even some recommendations? I've already read all "How to choose the right saddle" articles and need some advice to get further. Like how different shapes work in real life, is the cut necessary, does weather affect comfort, etc.

I've fiddled with my current saddle a long time and the numbness won't go away. I ride XC and also long distances on asphalt, because I don't have a dedicated street bike. Sit bone width is 11-12 cm.

>>1011250
Step 1, don't listen to anyone who tells you to tilt your saddle back. I suffered a lot of pain in the balls from that advice until I looked at actual research showing a forward tilt reduces pressure.

>>1011253
Done. I've actually never seen anyone give that advice. Many have recommended the forward tilt and it helped a little but not enough in my opinion.

My current saddle came with the bike. It's Focus' OEM saddle and basically it looks like a saddle, if you look at it directly from above but it's literally completely flat. I suspect that the designer didn't have a long attention span and sent an early sketch to the factory, after he finished drawing the silhouette. I've never seen a similar saddle anywhere.

>>1011250
Any saddle that takes anatomy into account. ISM, SMP, sq labs, even the specialized power.

>>1011312
So no major differences between them?

>>1011253
Back tilt is okay for training downhill and drops.

That's about it though.

>>1011250
How do you go about determining your sit bone width?

>>1011353
Two methods:
1) Sit on something soft, place paper or foil under your ass and measure the depression left by your sit bone.
2) Squat to get the tips of the bone to stick out and measure.

>>1011316
There are differences but we can't tell you which one fits you. They all work for numb nuts though. Start by checking if there are any vendors close by for any of them where you could get a test saddle. If you can't find test saddles then just buy one to test it out.

>>1011360
Any experiences would be greatly appreciated, because there aren't any decent bike stores near me and I can't afford to buy a few dozen saddles just to test them.

>>983262
Kek

Hol up.
Are there cheaper alternatives to brooks?

My bike came with some large, plushy and wide saddle.
It cuts off the circulation in my pepee.
I can't afford a b17.

>>1011397
I was wondering the same thing some time earlier itt, search a little
you can always try craigslist/ebay to look for a second hand one or a stolen one for a fraction of the price.
Don't believe the
>brooks molds itself to the body of the owner
it's leather, it's gonna break in and give in but that's just marketing bullshit because the manufacturer doesn't want to have to deal with a second hand market.

>>1011363
I'm the ISM shill in this thread and have two of their saddles. They fit me great and should work pretty good for everyone. However there was someone in this thread who had problems with the ISM design.

Really recommend trying to find a test saddle. If that can't be done then try finding one used or finding someone online close to you with the saddle who let's you demo theirs.

>>1004121
That's a Brooks for sure.

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Got this god tier saddle on all my steeds. I have a relatively aggressive posture on the bike, so more weight on the pedals. Did 7 successive 100+ mile days on it with little discomfort.

>>1011433
between that post and now I actually copped that one and on closer examination it turned out to be a cambium flyer S
the springs are pristine but the leather probably saw some rain, still not half bad for the literal pennies I paid for it.

Right now I'm making my own leather dressing mix, I'll probably post how it turned out once it's treated and buffed, it looks promising as it is.

>>1011435

Aw yeah bro crush that prostate

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>>1004603
I recently got a merida stock saddle, they are really decent considering the price

unfortunately the only way to get them is from people who bought merida bikes and decided to upgrade their saddles

>>1011490
Most stores that sell Merida bikes will have them.
If a customer wants a different saddle they'll just swap it and chuck the Merida one in a box.

>>1011477
saddle is a perch, not a chair.

>>1011418
They do look very interesting and I've considered buying one for a long time but I'd definitely have to try them before buying. Unfortunately that's currently not possible. I'll try them in the future but the design is so different that this time I'll probably have to go with something a bit more traditional.

Any thoughts on the general build quality of different brands? Being manufactured in a Western country would be a positive thing too but not as important as ergonomics.

Have an Ergon SME3 on my MTB and just bought one for my road garbon. Thought I'd share this bit of information.

>>1002249
i have the cheapest one, took me awhile to get used to it (and still am not 100%) but starting to feel pretty damn good. and it looks fucking amazing

>>1011775
I have one sitting in a drawer because it made my dick numb

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was like 20 bucks but one of the best I ever had.

>>1003473
More expensive SMPs have:
- gel instead of foam which is longer lasting
- leather instead of plastic which breathe better
- titanium rails/carbon body for weight
- and MUCH more importantly offer a choice of width.

The last part is really the only part that can justify the price difference. The best saddle in the world is useless if it doesn't fit your ass.

>>1003693

Gyes

What that guy posted >>1004044
are mostly Gyes saddles under more expensive hipster brands.


Gyes may be Taiwanese but they make very good leather saddles.

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My 10 year-old saddle started to rip and tear this year. Is there anything I can do to prevent replacing it soon? If not, may I just ignore the tearing and keep using it?

>>994116
>comfort

>>1011498
This is repeated a lot but it doesn't really mean anything. Enough of your weight is on your saddle to cause nerve damage in your perineum regardless of what you call it.

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I got a Specialized Power a few weeks ago and by holy spirit what a difference it is compared to the ass hatchet stock shit I've been suffering with for 5 years. The gigantic cut out and micropenis nose helps so much in alleviating gooch pain; actually, I get no gooch pain whatsoever even after a 55 mile ride. And not even any sit bones pain either.

It's marketed as an aero position saddle, but I've had no problem using it in my dirty casual upright riding position. Highly recommended, $100 to remove all ass pain is so worth it. Just make sure to go to your specialized dealer to use their ass-o-meter so you get the right size for you.

bumping because i'm gonna study this thread tomorrow before i roder a new saddle.

>>1015693
It already reached the last page?

>>1013279
Sell it on Craigslist you retard

>>984100
I have plans to modify a worn-down office chair for a cruiser. If I can get it to work not even recumbents will have the courage to approach me on my throne

Hello Jamal stole my saddle. What do?

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>>1016352
Start the race war.
Then get a Brooks.

>>1010724
So you don't want your anus pounded?
What a faggot.

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I'm using this saddle on my quality curb bike from the 80's and the seat is surprisingly usable, even with a ~25 lb backpack on my back. I need a cover for it though because it takes about 12 hours to dry (when it's in my garage)

>>990689
pls someone draw this

>>990569
Onahole: The Saddle.

Are suspended seatposts any good for inna city steel road bike riding?

>>1018938
no

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>>983290
Love mine too, getting really worn in this past year.

>>1011490

I also run these at the moment but want to bling things up a bit. What is a comparable aftermarket saddle?