/gag/ General Aviation General - I can't Believe You Let

This thread is as dead as the general aviation community

Stuck on the ground because of weather. Delaware is not the best place to be right now.

Been studying my ass of for the exams, so there's a plus.

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>>958046
I just come here to post samolyets axaxaxaxa

>>958046
I'm an armchair sim pilot (Or used to be. I haven't flown in a few years). Can i still post in this thread?

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Would be flying my experimental homebuilt, unfortunately work has taken me to another state, and flying it 1300 miles would be such a chore. Pic related

Are we using this thread or the other one? I only made this one because I didn't think to look for "General Aircraft General"

>>959014
Not to shit on the other guy's thread, but this one is obviously an actual /gag/ thread.
People who can't stick to a general's format sets off my autism.

>>959025
I feel like we should make a pastebin or something, load it up with shit like important FARs and info on how to get started in aviation

Anyone else feel this odd sense of hostility towards other pilots your age that have way more experience, especially if they went to places like Embry-Riddle, or did some stupid "pay to have a job" program?

>>959196
misanthropy is indicative of depression

Anybody here own? What do you guys use to track maintenance/hours/certs?

>>959196
Nope

You should probably calm down, people who get mad at other people for arbitrary reasons often live shorter and more stressful lives

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Did some flying a few days ago, also doing a bunch of maintenance. Gota replace the fuel transmitter, flap switch, rebuild the shimmy damper/ scissor links, and could use a brake job

>>959196
Embry-Riddle student here

There are some really good pilots that come out of here, very professional, and very skilled. But don't think that we don't have our fair share of retards behind the yoke

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Forgot pic

Solo commercial XC to KMYF

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Introducing my little guy to the Cherokee...

Flew for the first time in over a month yesterday. I was a little rusty, but kinks were worked out

>>960205
Flying is just like riding a bike. You'll never truly forget. You'll be a little rusty, but just sitting in the front seats makes everything come back instantly. But yes, you will get rusty, which is usually worked out after a max of 30 minutes in the air.

>>960394
The rust was actually blown out in a few minutes and mistakes started to happen after about a half an hour out. Luckily I had a CFI along, otherwise I would have cut in on a traffic pattern at a 45 and tried to take someone's space while they were taking off. That was, needless to say, a wakeup call.

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>>960046
I've been there a couple times. Pretty great views of the coast. Don't have a picture at the airport but here's Point Loma.

>>960079
Im sorry but i think its awful to post ones own childs picture to 4chan. Awful.

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Doing a lot of flying this weekend

Do you think it's possible hour requirements will be lessened in the future?
It's choking the life out of the aviation industry, something's got to give.

>>961050
They have ATP minimums for a reason. Also, go somewhere that offers reduced ATP minimums (1000 instead of 1500)

>>961065
Half of new pilots can't even make it that far. After spending tens of thousands of dollars to get your certificates and finding nobody will hire you because you still need another 300 hours.

>>961065

The ATP minimums actually came after Colgan Air 3407.... funny thing about that flight though, both the Captain and First officer had much more than the 1500 hours that is now required.

Just give it about a decade more unless rules change, the regionals are starting to hurt for pilots now and soon the Majors will start hurting and then there'd be some real money behind lowering the minimums.

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Fuck shitty weather I want to fly

>>961071
That's why so many people end up flying an E175 for $19k a year

>>961453
AS350?

>>961625

If the regionals were smart they'd raise wages and develop more programs to attract young pilots.

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>>961625
Enstrom 480b

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12 knot strait crosswind makes for some great practice , short cross country tommarow morning if the weathers good, will try and get some good pictures if I can

>>961625
Man, I'd love to do something that isn't flight instruction.

>>961638
Well, at least the canopy window looks similar, so I don't feel utterly retarded

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>>961829
The cabin is almost a direct copy of as350. Source I build them

>>961871
That looks like a juicy Venezuelan military contract, which makes me wonder if you actually saw a penny of revenue

>>958046
Pre-solo. Got stuck on the ground due to finals sneaking up behind me. Have to wait 2 more weeks...

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>>961880
We sold them 16 helicopters , they have taken delivery of 8 and the other 8 are still at enstrom because venizula ran out of money. Management put to many eggs in one basket and we have had layoffs now because we have alot of cash tied up in those helicopters. So if anyone wants to buy a few helicopters at a discount I know where you can find some!

who is an AME here? whats it like? what do you do

>>962014
Well, if I start my own petty dictatorship I'll let you know when I start building my sensibly-priced air force

>>961080
Eurofag here. Can someone please explain to me the logic behind the 1500 hours regional rule?

The crew had been awake for 24+ hours straight and they figured the accident was due to inexperience?

>>962293
Some congress critters got wind of the fact that only the captain needed to be an "airline transport pilot" and decided that just wasn't good enough.

>>961080
>The ATP minimums actually came after Colgan Air 3407.... funny thing about that flight though, both the Captain and First officer had much more than the 1500 hours that is now required.
Yeah, the requirement is stupid. From what I've seen, most prospective ATPs have neither the time nor the money to rack up 1500 hours on their own time in GA aircraft, so they usually accrue these hours on the job doing commercial work. Sitting in a cockpit, up in the levels, going straight and level with passengers or cargo in the back, while an autopilot does the flying.

1500 hours of standard procedures does fuck-all for your skills at dealing with emergency procedures. Even 10 hours in a little GA airplane doing upset-recovery training (or even just casual aerobatics) would be more valuable for preventing a recurrence of Colgan 3407.

So, once I finish my license and get employed in the industry, I was seriously considering buying one of these kits to build myself a fun little weekend flyer.

http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/

Haven't decided on model (probably either a Nieuport 28, one of the Sopwiths, or the Fokker E-III though that might be a little limited), but kit cost seems to be around $10k, and I can't imagine final cost being higher than $30k or so after engine and any optional equipment I would want. I was thinking it would be good hands on experience that I could apply to potentially building a more elaborate kit in the future.

How bad of an idea is this?

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>>963061

Pic related.

>>963061
You doing this for fun, or for building hours? Seriously, there are perfectly good used C-150s for the same price, or less, right now. Problem with those kits is (1) you will likely spend a few years building it, and (2) they are such lightweights that your flight time will be limited to clear, no-wind days in the practice area during summertime. They had several for the filming of "Flyboys," but they were grounded whenever the winds got above 10 knots or so.

>>963132

Definitely for fun, and personal experience in aircraft maintenance before buying something vastly more capable and expensive when I have the budget in 10 years or so.

The used market is definitely flooded with lots of things, but I guess I would more be doing it for the experience of having done it myself.

>>963132
>grounded whenever the winds got above 10 knots
Hah, really? Sounds like a waste of time and cash.

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I fly an AM6 Zero it's very scary to fly sometimes because there's always a problem on it

Not the weekend flyer guy

My plan is to build an RV-10 once I'm all situated. Get some nice garmin G3Xs in there and do some nice cross country flying.

I'd like to state here and now I am not a pilot and won't be for many years at the least, mainly due to college debt.

However, I was idly wondering if it would even be possible for a civilian group to get anything close to a modern jet fighter -- obviously without combat capabilities, but how much of the necessary instrumentation is classified or whatever? Could you theoretically buy from a military supplier like northrop-grumman as a private individual?

>>963452
Look up Draken international.

If you want a more realistic approach,
You can buy a L-29 complete with engine for $10k.
They are still in the shipping container from whatever Slavic country they are from.
It's the operational costs and insurance cost that get you.

L-39s are nicer and they are better performing aircraft however you'll probably pay around $200,000 - $300,000 for one.

If you had a couple million dollars, you could buy a MiG-29.

>>963452

You can buy jet trainers for anywhere in the $30k (needs a lot of work and additional expenses to get flying) up to a few million dollar range. These planes are what fighters pilots learned to fly fighter jets in, so it's pretty close.

You can also buy some actual fighters, mostly combloc shit, but the prices are higher and they are probably actually less fun to fly.

I have however seriously been considering pursuing a turbine powered mustang replica as retirement gift to myself.

>>958970
I wish there were still some BV 138s flying.

>>963491
>$200,000 - $300,000

Considering that's the Price of a 172... if you could stomach the fuel costs that's pretty alright.

>>963839
Not to mention the consideration that, as long as you don't wreck it or wear it out, you can most likely get almost all that back at resale once you've had your fill. Definitely worth it, considering that it costs even less to operate than an L-29.

Insurance costs are probably gonna be the real killer, though. Also considering the restrictions on the (experimental) flight certificate and the fact that you'll need a waiver any time you want to go >250 kts <10,000', I'm just not sure how much more fun you'll really have with it vs. something like a Harmon Rocket.

>>963839
I was going to call him out on that price as ridiculous until I looked it up myself. Color me surprised

Reminder, if you aren't flying on Delta. Your plane was maintained in some third world shithole or china, by lord knows who.

>>963839
>>964001
Ejection seats are a real kicker too. The majority of civilian owned ex-military jets have hot seats.

In the even of a emergency, you definitely want to punch out. I knew a guy that owned a flying T-33. And he went through the trouble to make his seats hot. It costs about $100,000 to buy the rocket motors and they have like a 6 or 7 year life before they need to be sent out for replacement.

You could always deactivate them, but if you had to bail, you can blow the canopy off and try to jump out.

>>962028
If by AME you mean aircraft mechanic, I am one.

The work you do, depends on you. You can go general avaition and work on the likes of cessnas doing annuals, 100 hrs etc.(Ameri-fag). But I didnt go that route.

Right now I work as an inspector for regional airline. Typically the work load is scheduled inspections like tires, brakes, overall eye fucking, depending on the check due. Then you fix the stuff you find wrong and any deferred maintenance items it came in with. We do everything in house except heavy( the remove everything and look at everything check, 2-6 weeks). Its not horrible work. Just get used to working night shift, weekends, and holidays for a while.

Speaking as someone inthe regional industry, everyone in the regionals are really under paid. Pilots making 20-25k is shite. Mechanics start out 13-16 USD an hour depending on airline. Even after 5 years, I could be making more money working on cars. And they wonder why there is also a mechanic shortage.

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>>964118
>It costs about $100,000 to buy the rocket motors and they have like a 6 or 7 year life before they need to be sent out for replacement.
What the fuck. There is NO REASON a handful of tubes full of APCP should cost that much. The WHOLE SEAT, maybe.

>>964140
It is all about that PMA stamp and certification paperwork. Windshield Wiper blade cartridge for a CRJ is like $1200. Basically almost identical to the one ones on your car. Instead of clipping on, they use a bolt, castlated nut and cotter pin.

Anything for airplanes have extreme mark ups.

>>963804

Going from the trainer to the gray jet they are not pretty close.

>>964124

People also wonder why there's a pilot shortage....

I'm curious, to get your A+P Certificate, about how much would it cost you?

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Flight from this morning

>>964265
Price varies greatly. It all depends on which school you go to. For me, I went to a community college that offered that program and it wasnt bad. It was like 10 to 15k USD. That doesnt include tools. But other places like embry riddle and PIA cost like 50k to 100k USD. Most I have heard personally from someone I actually met was 70K.

In the end, still cheaper than pilots but for the same money you can go into automotive and do better and a lot less resposibility. I did because I love airplanes and money was decent enough.

>>964124
No AME means Aviation Medical Examiner. The doctor you visit for your medical

>>964524
Didnt know. Heard some euro fags call A&Ps aircraft maintenane engineers so minor confusion

>>964516

Would make a lot of sense if companies that needed mechanics would throw some support to A&P Student then.

http://www.ctcaviation.com/courses/easyjet-pilot-training-mpl-route/

What's the catch with this lads? It must be something with the finance.

>>963398
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHAT
YOU HAVE AN AMAZING PLANE

I just remembered I forgot to close my flight plan.. The flight ended 8 hours ago...

Never got a phone call though. I'm guessing the tower told them I landed?

>>966221
I would call flight service to verify.

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Not really General Aviation, but...

What do you guys make of the crashes that have been happening lately with aerobatic teams?

It's been 4 separate accidents just this fucking week alone. The tally of destroyed/damaged planes is up to 6, and the tally of deaths is at 2.

Do ya'll figure this is just some ungodly coincidence or part of something more sinister?

I mean, it's unlikely that it's anything but a coincidende, but still.

>June 2nd, 2016 - Thunderbirds F-16 Crash, Blue Angels F-18 Crash.
>June 8th, 2016 - Russian Knights Su-27 Crash, Patrouille Suisse F-5 Midair Collision

>>966377
Usually just an odd coincidence and the matter of the airshow season getting going in the Northern Hemisphere.

>>961638

95% sure I'm about to invest my significant savings into starting commercial rotorcraft piloting school. Is the job market there, or am I about to be really upset I spent $80,000 on credentials I wont be able to use easily?

>>963067
I know a guy who has one of these, he likes it as a project to tinker with, but it flies like shit so he never takes it up. he's got several thousand hours in build time and about an hour in the air, and he's had it complete for six months or so.\

so if you want a reliable flier, this aint it, but if you like tinkering, great

>>958046
Did my spin endorsement today to get ready for my CFI check ride. What fun!

Really fun teaching your instructor a maneuver you've never done before lol

>>966841
And now I'm down in Winter Haven Florida, I start my seaplane training tomorrow.

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First time in the G1000 today

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>>967817
pretty hazy in the bay

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This is the most fun I've ever had flying. Holy shit guys, you gotta try it.

>>967817
Boy, get yo ass back on altitude and heading

>>968238
was using autopilot at this time, it got me there eventually

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we made a bigger kite the next year,,, i Flew it!!,, just for few seconds, but,, HAY!!

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What I'd like to be flying is this little number....full-scaled ducted fans FTW.

>>962014
how much would 1 cost? and will you repaint it?

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>>963809
I wish I could buy this mothefucking 109

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!bf-109e/c7r0

it's so beautiful, it's my life goal to purchase it one day

>>958983
>you will never be held high above 1930's New York by 100' tall amazon woman

why live?

>>964376
Sweet

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Flying is fun

>>971032
Well of course it is, Anon.
why else would we be in this general discussing it?

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I feel a pic dump is in order

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>>971291
The whole landscape has become quite verdant since the last time I went snap-crazy

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>>971293
Like, obnoxiously green

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>>971294
It's like someone flipped a switch and suddenly it was summer

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>>971296
Also, the chopper's got a new engine and some tight clutch belts, so she's running quite hot right now, and last I went up the rotors spun up without engaging the clutch

>>961626
Regionals have their own bottom line to worry about, so I can understand why they end up underpaying pilots, but a huge amount of that financial burden could be eased with aircraft that have a lower operating cost. Like, why buy an E175 when a Cessna 208 or a Super King Air would get the job done?

>>971300

Because noise, passenger comfort and speed.

When passengers buy a ticket, they want speed, and relative comfort, so it makes sense to have a jet. Where a turboprop flies lower and slower, even if it costs less to maintain.

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Instructor told me we might be able to do a super long cross country this weekend. We'd have another student/instructor pair so we'd be able to do 8 hours out and 8 hours back in a Baron

He still hasn't told me who we're flying with yet... but this is what I'm hoping we could do.
HEG is where I got my private pilot, glider and SEL, we'd fly past KSC, and KEYW would provide a very different challenge to all of us.

Just... it's been so long since I've touched an aircraft... please maintenance give me the chance...

>>960079
like that paint job

anyone else here a CFI?

got my CFI checkride coming up in a few weeks, did they throw any wrenches in your gears? what surprised you

>>971327
Yeah, been instructing a couple of years now.
>what surprised you
The fact they gave me a CFI.

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ATP reporting, currently in the CRJ with types in the EMB120 and B1900. flown to 6 countries and I couldn't tell you how many cities so far, currently around 1200 hrs

Pic related, flying out of DFW

>>971495
Why havent you moved on?

>>971523
I had a pretty slow first year, and all my friends that took early outs with low-mid time jobs (500ish hours) ended up struggling to find work after their first couple of months.

So I'm sticking it out. Slow and steady and all that. I'm leaving come spring time, one way or another.

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>>971527
Shoulda gone with UAVs while there was still a massive presence in Afghanistan. Best-paying flying job I ever had, and they were hiring anyone who didn't show up drunk for the interview.

>>971520
That's amazing man
keep it up and don't get fired, you hear me?

>>971520
I've never gotten that high without help before

>>971655
No, I shouldn't have. I have zero interest in being an RC pilot.

If I cared about money I wouldn't work in aviation, and calling UAVs a 'flying' job has got to be a joke.

>>971849
same desu

>>969351
kek my airport has a doctor killer sitting on the ramp too. been there a 2 years now. lord knows who's paying those fees

>>971655
No real interest in flying drones, on my part. I'd rather be in a cockpit.

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Finally started my multi engine training in the DA42NG. This plane has got a lot of quirks and shit, but its cool. The cockpit is a literal greenhouse with the canopy though, and the glareshield gets about four degrees hotter than the sun if you're on the ground for a while

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>>972172

Constantly rehearse those engine out procedures.

>>972174
Will do

>>967761
Just flew a 206 amphib out of there the other day.

How many of you with their own planes use them for general transportation? Not just flying around for fun, but actually to a different state or country because you have to be there.
Do you ever use your own plane instead of your car or a flight on a commercial jet?

>>972172
No air vents?

>>972378
It's a NACA duct underneath the leading edge of the wing between the engine and wing root. They've actually got decent air flow.

You can see the very top of it in the pic I think.

>>972378
Yep, what >>972388 said. Right side, bottom of the wing root

>>972348
You've got to plan an extra travel day because of things like weather, but I do it all the time. I fly my c-150 from Orlando up to central Georgia and down to Key West all the time. I also use it on vacations to go wherever I want. I know an A&P mechanic who lives on a grass strip who uses his 150 to fly to the airport he work at and he does it every day.

Obviously you need a plan b though, airplanes aren't as operationally reliable as cars.

>>969349
I'd attach the kid to the kite and make him the world's youngest pilot

Feeling like shit because my DPE didn't like my flight plan and after 4 hours of the oral I failed my instrument checkride. After a year if training and doing short flights to airports for practice approaches flying isn't fun anymore, especially with my current instructor. Thinking about taking some time off from instrument and just doing some commercial time building

>>972541
Anon just power through the last bit of the instrument because its really difficult to pick up where you left off. Really difficult. You'll be alright.

>>972541
What didn't he like about the flight plan? Why did you fail?

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Why does Red Bull have so many cool airframes?

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>>972926
Because they charge retards $5 for a small can of piss.

>>972541
How many hours do you have?

It might be fun and reasonable to do something a bit unconventional and get your VFR multiengine done at this point. This way, you can knock out the multi and instrument check ride on the same day, or in quick succession.

You will be logging valuable multi time, and you can practice more approaches in the same amount of time in the faster airplane.

It may be just the right change of pace to keep you moving forward.

1. Apparently ADHD medicating stimulants like Ritalin and Adderall ban you flying on anything above light sport in the USA. Is this the case in the UK as well?
2. Does the ban apply if you've ever been prescribed them, or merely if you're currently taking them?

>>972976
Did some digging and answered 1.
It is the case in the UK too: https://www.caa.co.uk/Aeromedical-Examiners/Medical-standards/Pilots-%28EASA%29/Conditions/Psychology/Psychological-conditions/

That leaves 2.
Once you're no longer medicated [and meet the requirements of neuropsychological assessment to assess the likelihood of being able to perform safely] it's not a problem, right?

>>972980
If you're off medication, and you will be safe in a cockpit, the next step is to talk to an AME, not a north Korean image board full of degenerate pilots

>>973046
I'm not a pilot myself, just aspiring. At the moment there's no way I could get into a cockpit financially, so I'm not in contact with any AMEs either.
The concern is mostly whether certain medication can permanently disqualify one for flying, and there's a tiny off-chance someone here might be able to confirm or deny whether that's the case in the UK.

>>973049
In the U.S. there are also exceptions to the rule, like Statements of Demonstrated Ability (SODAs) and Waivers which can take negate a normal disqualification.

So I don't know if any of you guys remember, probably not, but like a month and a half- two months ago, I failed my stage check required to move onto the course that would get me my PPL for the second time.

I almost quit right then because my confidence was absolutely shot and I wasn't having fun with it anymore. The only reason I continued was because some of you guys on here encouraged me to keep at it. I took it again today and I nailed everything. I think i needed some time off, because I flew the plane better than I ever have.

>>973364
Congrats.

It's amazing what taking some time off can do

>>973364
Nice job anon!
if you take time off from the airplane, do not neglect your book work!

Reread the Airplane Flying Handbook (FAA-H-8083-3A) and Pilots Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge (FAA-H-8083-25A), as well as your POH. If you're not in the US, they're still good reads. Good luck!

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Hey guys as an inspiring pilot still in college studying CS is the aviation industry still worth it?

Its something that always sit in the back of my mind and i am wondering if its as horrible as everyone make sit out to be.I have a passion for aviation i would at least like to learn for private use if commercial is a bad route to go..

>>973427
Do you really want to be 45 years old sitting in some boring ass office that you've been at all your life daydreaming about what you could have been doing? Fuck that, man, I'm not content with that. I doubt you will be either.

Sure, it's not the best industry out there, but it's getting better according to a lot of pilots I've talked to. If you truly have a passion for it, those couple shitty years at a regional and being away from home will be worth it in when it's all said and done.

>>973427
*aspiring

>>973427
Fucking go for it.
Nearly all the pilots I've talked to say that they'd like to see more pilots in the industry in general, although they do admit that aviation isn't for everyone (that one person you know who shouldn't be allowed to drive a car shouldn't be allowed to fly a plane either). Also, an interesting thing that I heard a while back was that 90% of aviation accidents/incidents are caused by pilot (human) error, and the other 10% are ususally caused by improper maintenance. So basically, as long as you take care of an airplane (or any other aircraft, for that matter) properly, and try not to fuck anything up, you should be fine.

>>963398
How the fuck can you afford an A6M2?

>>973689
>they'd like to see more pilots in the industry in general
Not him, why?
Does flying not already suffer from "it's a career that people aspire to, so we can pay you nothing at all"-itis until you've got a ludicrous amount of multi-engine hours? [which is only worsened by throwing more people into the market.]

Is that overblown, or is it legitimately the case that if you want to fly as a career you're going to be making less than a McDonalds employee for a stint, be vaguely dependent on outside factors like oil price, but possibly make up for it with a wage uptick in the middle and end?

>>973710

Different guy, but two reasons I can think of:

A. Flying is basically the best thing ever

B. There's actually a pilot shortage

Also, yeah, there's a bit of that -itis you mentioned, mainly because airlines are stuck in an archaic business model, but that's liable to change.

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Flew from RCM to PCW and back yesterday. Got a few pictures.

Turbulence was so intense on descent and approach into PCW that I had to brace myself on the bulkheads to keep the camera stable.

Video is slowly uploading of the approach... damn my internet provider for shit internet

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>>973800

Got about 0.2 of actual instrument time somewhere around the Indiana/Illinois border on the way back. ATC tried to route me around Moderate Precip, but it disappeared by the time I decided to divert around it.

>>973427
>>973689
>>973544
thanks for the advise guys and excuse that error i was on mobile.

So where i begin if i seriously wanted to get into piloting as a career?I heard that most companies prefer pilots with military experience is that accurate?I dont think flight school can be an option for me due to the lack of money in fact the only reason i am in college is based onmerit otherwise i wouldn't even be there

>>973831
Look for a flight club that offers Part 61 instruction

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Video time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDcQAxCec_E

>>973831
Well, if you have no money, go military (officer route). If you do, try to go for a part 121 school. Better and more rigorous training.

>>973739
Don't hold your breath on airline business models changing. I'm not saying it can never change, but count on it being miserable.

>>973927
This anon meant to say part 141.
Part 121 is something else.

This goes to show he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Find a private part 61 instructor who has a reputation for getting people through check rides.

Airlines don't care how you got your certificate, they only care that you have one, and that they can use it. The cheapest way to get that certificate is part 61.

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Took my private written today and got a 90
Then flew around for an hr solo
Then did a practice run of the 150nm cross country with my instructor in witch we almost hit a deer on take off and almost got ran over by a piper that flight following forgot to mention was behind us same altitude and heading half mile behind. Landed behind a few blackhawks during the cross country

>>974408
>this goes to show he doesn't know what he's talking about
Fuck off, cunt. I posted that shit at 2 in the morning, you know what I meant.

Does it make sense to take the written before starting practical training? I've been studying the PHAK and FARs for the last month and I think I can pass it.

>>974951
I would say wait untill you at least have some time in the seat. It helps to have first hand experience plotting on charts and navigating on vors for the test

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Just got my CFI. 500 hrs mostly in Cessna 172

>>975345
Looks pretty wet down there

>>975345
That looks like a flood

>>974951
I didn't take the written until I had 20 hours of in-cockpit instruction. There's shit on the test that just makes more sense when you've actually looked at the instruments and been in the air.

>>974951
Imho it makes more sense to get your written done before you are in the airplane.
It's a lot easier to learn on the ground then apply in the air than it is to learn and apply in the air.

You'll be saving money too since you'll be spending less time in the airplane working through concepts.
You'll get your certificate faster if you are completely prepared in the knowledge side before you start.
I did it this way, and I got a 96 on my written, so I don't think it'll hurt your written score.

>>958046
what do you guys think about this thread
>>>/biz/1359742

>>976465
I'd say it's dumb and full of trolls.

The need for pilots isn't going anywhere, though there's not enough of them for the airline industry right now, and the airlines that need to fill those cockpit seats are the very ones no pilots want to work for.

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17 year old girl pilots crashing planes be like.

>>976608
I hope she put those divots back.

>>976608
Someone needs to tell these kids that you can't text and fly. Jeez...

>>976608
For some reason this picture seems very comfy to me.

I think it's the idea you could just sort of sit in your plane in a place that it isn't supposed to be, but you can't get in trouble for it because you've got an excuse for it being there.

Although personally if it was my plane, existential dread would set in when I realized it was stuck there for a while.

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>>976608
Soclose,,, more finesss., could have hada hole in one!! and those divets!

>>976608
I would like to know the story, here. Did she try a three-point landing and buckle the nose gear? Did she try to force it through ground effect?

>>976836
>I think it's the idea you could just sort of sit in your plane in a place that it isn't supposed to be, but you can't get in trouble for it because you've got an excuse for it being there.
tfw you land a glider in a protected area around a drinking water reservoir

>>976951
She landed on a golf course after an engine failure.

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I want to build a Flitzer. Is this a good idea?

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I heard they are easy to build. Which is good, since I don't have experience at building planes. Could you direct me towards some kind of a guide or tutorial or something?

I wasn't aware of the existence of an Aviation Gneeral on 4chan.

I served in the German Air Force for 16 years (Mainly tactical Transport on the C-160, later on VIP Transport on the GE 5000).
Nowadays I fly for a German Airline.

>>977044
>>977045
Do you have any experience with planning and building anything of this magnitude? General experience with using tools?
The idea itself sounds nice, but I think you might be underestimating the amount of work necessary to go through with it.

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>>977066

I do realize that it will take years... But eventually it would be complete. Step by step, piece by piece, she'd be complete. Also, I do have experience at tools and I have built such things before... ...at a smaller scale though. We were all beginners once.

I exchanged letters with the designer, Lynn Williams. He seems to be an extremely helpful guy and I suppose his help and advice would be a great boon.

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It can't be THAT difficult, right?

R-right?

>>977081
Honestly my input on the whole thing is probably not worth that much.
Flying yes, but actually building stuff never was my department.

I guess if you are aware of the fact that it will take a long time - and that you might even fail after that there is no harm in picking it up.

>>977081
>>977083
also I don't know how all of this works over there, but here in Germany getting the necessary paperwork out of the way to fly a custom/selfmade plane would be a huge pain in the neck.

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>>977094

I can imagine what it would be like here then. I live in Hungary.

Still, others have succeeded in getting through the bureaucratic part... ...and besides, life is an adventure. Why not give it a shot...

>>977096
Ah Hungary! Great Country.

> Why not give it a shot...

Exactly, you know what they say:
It’s the possibility of having a dream come true that makes life interesting.

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>>977097

I'm glad you like my country. I should mention the EFusion, Hungary's contribution to general aviation. An electric plane that should make pilot training a lot cheaper. Siemens has great interest in the project, providing the engine and all that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8PklN4T6g4

When Hungarian and German minds work together, the end result is usually something great. Or a Weltkrieg.

Taking my first lesson today. Time to find out if skills translate from FSX into real life.

>>977023
So, probably not the worst thing that could have happened, in other words

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>>977101
>Flying siemen

>>977139
FSX is great for learning, but a sim and the real thing are two entirely different things

US government sold surplus P51s after ww2 and Korea for $1500, or $14000 in today's dollars.

Now all their surplus airplanes are kept in scrap yards. where they are canabilized or recycled into soda cans.

I just want a surplus A-10. Doesn't even have to have the gatling cannon. I can use that space for cargo and fuel.

>>977139
>>977301
I started my training a few months ago after years of sim experience. For me, the sim really helped with cockpit navigation, radios, procedures, and instruments.
It didn't help so much with actually flying the aircraft, I think a force feedback yoke is really whats needed to recreate the feel of the controls. I've got about 20 hours and I've finally mastered my landings.
I also find myself much too fixated on the instruments (I fly a g1000 172) instead of looking outside which is probably a bad habit that was picked up from the sim. I never realized how much of the flying is done by looking outside as I've been accustomed to flying by the instruments. Hopefully this will be helpful in getting my instrument rating.

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>>977719
Get a civilian job flying them into tornados.

>>977982
DCS taught me to rely on the VSI before the vertical horizon. It took about the first 10 hours of actual flight time to break that habit.

That being said, sims did teach me a lot about how instruments acted before I actually got in a cockpit.

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>>977719
I'll take a surplus Huey

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It's Sexy STOL Saturday!

Post sexy STOL airplanes that you wish you had even though you have no business having one!

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>>978183
Okay, fine

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>>978183
STOL.

>>977719
>>978173
You could try to FOIA the data package and make one yourself.

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>>978183
In my dreams, I fly Twin Otters for a growing U.S. airline that somehow doesn't go bankrupt within a year.

Anyone from the Bay Area? I just started taking lessons at RHV.

>>978550
When I get access to Textron's factories, I'll get right on it

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>Out for a walk
>F-18 roars overhead inbound for landing
>God damn, wish I was cool and could fly
>Remember I have a PPL
>Pull out my phone and rent a plane right then and there on the spot

I mean a 172 isn't nearly as cool as a fighter, but god damn I feel I forget how badass it is to be able to fly

>>978573
Dash 6 and Dash 8s are rather stylish. They've got that retro look that I dig in aircraft

>>979454
There were a lot of things we couldn’t do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment. It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet. I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however.

>>979532
>>979454
Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn’t match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury. Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace. We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: November Charlie 175, I’m showing you at ninety knots on the ground. Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the “ HoustonCentervoice.” I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country’s space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houstoncontrollers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that… and that they basically did. And it didn’t matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios. Just moments after the Cessna’s inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his groundspeed.

>>979533
>>979532
>>979454
Twin Beach, I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed. Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren. Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check Before Center could reply, I’m thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it, ol’ Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He’s the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground. And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done – in mere seconds we’ll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn. Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet. Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke: Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?

>>979536
>>979533
>>979532
>>979454
There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday request. Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground. I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: Ah, Center, much thanks, We’re showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money. For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the HoustonCentervoice, when L.A.came back with: Roger that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one. It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day’s work. We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast. For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.

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As commercial airliners start becoming homogenous in general appearance, do you think we'll ever reach the same level of creativity in designs as the previous era?

>>979553
I think it's ruined forever, but I'm always a pessimist.

>>978024
>vertical horizon
tf is that

>>979568
*artificial

My bad.

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>>979553
There's still some hope left

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>>979537
>>979536
>>979533
>>979532
>This again

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I saw this in a documentary just now and the weird engine placement got me curious, can anyone recognize what plane this is? It doesn't look like the engines are completely embedded in the wings, nor does it look like they're hanging under them either. I know the quality is shit, best I could do with the footage in the documentary.

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>>980017

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>>980017
And the last pic I got.

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>>980017
>>980018
>>980020
737-200
JT8D engines are very small

My guess is Southwest Airlines

>>980024
That didn't take long, thanks!

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>>980017
>>980018
>>980020

737-200

How smart do you have to be to be a military pilot? I'm going into college in August, will participate in ROTC. I got a 1950 on SATs, is the AFOQT comparable to the SATs?

>>978776
KPAO here >>967818 is a pic I took over Fremont.

>>980103
Which flying club? I'm going to switch to KPAO after I finish my license since it's so close to my house.

>>980042
I'm sitting on a pilot slot with a GT score of 125 and an AFQT of 88, but I've also been enlisted in the Guard for 6 years and have been flying on my own for over a year, now, so I get the Good Ol' Boys bonus

>>972541

>4 hour oral for INSTRUMENT

Holy shit I was expecting that to be a CFI ride. My instrument oral was an hour, maybe a little under.

It's really nice being in a 141 school where your DPE doesn't give a fuck anymore.

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Looking for a new headset.
Anyone use or hear anything about DC's ANR sets?
The ONE-X and/or H10-13X in particular?

I've tried the A20, and the noise canceling is second to none, but they seem flimsy compared to what I'm used to.

>>978405
yeah boi

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I flew in and landed behind one of these the other day, and saw an A-10 on the apron, so that was neat

>>980963
cane creek 40

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>>981066
well memed sir.

Not a regular here, but does anyone here know of a good way to study for radio telephony alone [spoiler]or anyone up for it?[/spoiler]? I got my exam next wednesday and noone left to practice with this weekend.

>>981434
Like, practice for radio communications?

>>981508
That's what I have to do, or at least what would calm my mind a bit.

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Reminder to always be a good pilot and follow instructions

>>981521
Go to LiveATC and go into the archives for an airport with a high training volume or one that gets a medium amount of traffic, and listen to the orders given by ATC. Pause the player, then think of what the response will be, then play it to see if the response was close. Listen for what information ATC asks for and what the pilots respond with. This will help sharpen your skills

>>981592
Someone forgot what it means to be PIC

>>981592
>knowingly infringing a runway
>in fog
>on Linate
Why would anyone ever do that shit?

>>981596
Suppose I could do that again. Thanks.

Only issue with that is that I can't "fly" an entire flight but only the ground ops/take-off/approach parts. My biggest fear is fucking up some altitude during the short planning we get and either "flying" into a mountain or into some TMA.

Switzerland is too full of the damn things.

Oh well, at least it's fun to do the radio thing if anything.

>>981600
>during the short planning we get
Never rush the planning, ever. Better planning makes for a smooth flight. You fuck up the planning, your flight will be a headache and a half.

And honestly, the radios come with practice. You're gonna fuck up and look like a fool every now and again, it's part of the fun. If you want to learn enroute stuff, listen to an approach/departure frequency.

>>981601
Not actual flight planning, the planning period for the radio exam is 10 minutes or so.

It's just radio-ing in a room for an hour or so and then the guy tells you if you passed or not.

>>981605
Are you training for an ATC position or is this pilot-related?

>>981680
Regular EASA PPL. You guys don't have to do this shit?

We also have to do a language proficiency thing every couple of years, which wouldn't bother me if I was allowed to take the more difficult one that doesn't expire at all. But Switzerland decided to not allow that no matter how good someone's english is.

>>981807
I never had to. Is English your first language/are you English proficient? Proper phraseology and communications is taught in the private pilot course, but it is kind of a learned skill. There is no proficiency check specific to radio communications though

>>981815
I'd like that system better, on the other hand I've heard how some people go about radioing here so the check might not be a bad idea. I'm assuming you are FAA bound?

And no german would ve but I use english at work and did so for my studies so I figure it would be more than enough to get the language proficiency check that doesn't need renewal. It's just a nuissance more than anything.

>>981816
Yep, FAA's the boss here.

If you really are proficient with English, keep going for that non-renewal check. Often times if you're willing to go through enough bureaucratic red tape, there is an exception to almost any exclusion or disqualification. A lot of times it's also who you talk to rather than what you say.

>>981905
>non-renewal check
Can't even go to germany to get one, they don't allow swiss people to take it.

But either way I give this proficiency stuff maybe another two or three years before they kill it.

It's odd anyhow given that initially they kept shouting "it's better if you know no english at all for your radio phraseology because it's different from english". But I won't pretend to understand EASA despite knowing a lot of legislation due to work.

>>981912
As said. Now that I have the initial calls down more or less I'm only really afraid to fuck up with a virtual infringement.

Readbacks havent been an issue so far.

>>981910
Well, if you must, it can't be too bad. Comms are simply to give ATC the information they need for the actions you want to carry out. It's not meant to trip you up, but rather be clear and concise

>>981913
Lol sorry that other post had a typo

What is the test like? What do you have to do for it?

>>981915
>Sit in a room with two examiners and three other people
>Get a flight you have to "fly"
>Prepare for like 10mins (so mostly just take out the maps and draw a crude route)
>"fly" the flight from start to finish or until the examiners stop the exercise
>examiners play ATC
It's just really condenced ATC chatter. But they also want you to keep altitudes and everything, which is a bit annoying when you can't just read it off some instruments and have to keep track in your head. Finger on the map it is I suppose.

Oh you're also not allowed to break contact for any portion of the flight, so you have to constantly be in contact with some sort of ATS without "jumping" locations when you contact a new station.

>>981917
Hm. Well, the most important thing is that there is no requirement for you to be fast, but you must be concise. Quality always trumps speed in radio communications. Just take it at a reasonable pace and don't feel like you need to rush through the responses.

One of my favorite sayings, stolen from a Japanese restaurant: "work quick but never rush"

>>981919
Well there is an unspoken rule that someone always has to be talking more or less, but I'm more afraid of some random dickmove like assigning altitudes that are not possible.

But I suppose the token answer to anything unexpected should be "Will call you back".

>>981920
I've never heard that unspoken rule. If there isn't anything to say, there is no point in talking. I've gone on cross country flights where nobody has talked for 15 minutes. It was a bit odd, and I had hoped that my radios didn't give out. But nope, it was just a quiet day on the radio, I guess.

If someone assigns you something your aircraft cannot do, simply state that you're "unable" to do so. If they give you an altitude way above your ceiling, there isn't anything you can do about it. If you need more time or clarification, don't hesitate to ask someone to repeat the instructions. Nobody will get mad at you for trying to clarify an order

>>981940
>unspoken rule
That's in the exam, not actual flying of course.

>>981941
How long is the exam?

>>981943
As said above, like an hour or so plus 10 minutes preparation, so it's enough for a flight from one major airport (LSZH, LSZB, LSGG, LFSB) to another with a stop at some uncontrolled aerodrome for blind calls.

>>970668
If only I could have a Gustav or Kurfurst... a Friedrich would be nice too.

>>970668
They have a fucking Gee Bee. I don't even care if it's a two-seater and not the racer.

>>981944
I gotcha. Well, don't stress about it. Just think, ATC is there to assist you and coordinate traffic, not to confuse you. Give them the info they want, not a whole bunch of info they don't need. You'll do fine

>>981940
I, for one, am not afraid to ask for a radio check

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>>981957
What's a Gee Bee? Well, I think I'll just go look that up and- wait, what the fuck? This thing can fly?

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>>982096
Actually, now that I think about it, I've seen it before.

It was in that Rocketeer movie, too, right?

Also, somewhat unrelated, but I love that "Golden Age of Aviation" aesthetic

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>>982096
It's what happens when you pair the biggest possible engine with the smallest fuselage.

>>982098
Yeah it was in Rocketeer. And I can agree, golden age best age.

>>982096
That looks straight out of a Ghibli movie

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>>982160
That might be because the planes in Porco Rosso were just Schneider Cup planes with guns.

>>982094
If I was closer to any airspace I would have, but I was over absolute desert on a slow day, so it didn't surprise me that there wasn't a whole lot going on.

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>>982158
I sometimes wonder how much of that look was purposefully snazzy and how much was because they thought it was the most aerodynamic shape at the time

>>982291
I'm pretty sure the Gee Bee's design process was 90% "Shit guys how do we make it flyable"

But it's an egg so I figure it still holds up for a radial engine design.

>>982347
>90% engine
>10% plane
>100% theme song material

also, 99% unstable pilot-killing engine with wings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXbL0iukdCo

>>982726
That movie doesn't get the love it deserves

>>982747
Speaking of which are there any movies out there about the golden age of aviation?

Or even just more interwar pulp involving planes. Does anyone have a couple of those aviation pulp stories or mags? They seem to be hard to come by on the net.

45 degree turns.

>>977044
>>977045
We should team up and build some WW1 bird with some dodgy russian radial.

It'll be mostly welding tubes and some canvas.

>>982820

In before Idolmaster paint scheme

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>>982825
It's like you think theres a difference between WW1 rainbow camo and those.

>>982802
Other than Rocketeer?

Well, there's a Scorsese film called The Aviator, and a biopic about Amelia Earhart, but other than that it's mainly old-ish war movies

>>982948
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow might be worth a mention?

And >>982827
reminds me a that there is of course Porco Rosso.

>>982998
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is good, but it uses too much CGI, the colors are all washed out, and the plot had too many underdeveloped threads for it to be great.

It's a shame, really, I digged its style

So what are the odds of me finding a job flying out of flight school that isn't instructing? Because after my commercial pilot I'm really not going to have the money to go through a CFI lab.

>>981807
God damn! So glad I fly in the US, EVERYTHING is pilot friendly here compared to everywhere else

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>>983126
There is probably reasons for a bunch of people getting their PPL in California during holidays rather than here.

>>982998
>>983066
Sky Captain was pretty funny, but as the other guy said the style was a bit overdone.

Porco is top tier though.

Talespin is another thing that comes to mind now. That stuff sparked my interest in Aviation.

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>>983125
There ARE other flying jobs, but I'm not certain of the odds of landing one these days. I've never instructed... first jobs were banner towing, glider towing, local tourist flights, then aerial photography, which led to UAVs (the best-paying of the lot, which ironically did not even require a pilots license). Hope those give you some ideas for leads! Pic unrelated

Well more or less fucked up every other call and forgot to report my position just as often, basically worst radioing I've ever done, and they let me pass.

"We had worse"

What the fuck is worse.

>>983195
Lol every new pilot sounds like an idiot on the radios. It's part of the fun. It'll improve with time and practice

>>983133
Oh shit, I remember seeing that growing up. forgot how much shooting was involved in that show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tKHlukQTik

Kid's cartoons were a lot more awesome back in the day

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>>983133
Which reminds me Tale Spin was inspired by a show called Tales of the Golden Monkey. Wouldn't know where to find that, though.

>>983198
Well yeah but that was shit compared to my performance in the same exercise a week or two ago. So really shitty.

But it'll probably worsen in flight so who knows. If anything it's still fun.

>>983219
That show had a lot of shit going on. That episode with the WW1 aces was top.

>>983295
Good to know.

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>>983295
>>983353
Alright so I'm on my computer now and just checked youtube for that show. It has a random amount of episodes subbed in greek or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LjHUulvwVg&list=PLJWM4aFePh-sBaPPHbpRDmiRHvf4TXQV7

Also those goddamn apes are terrifying.

>>983353
During those types of exams they understand the student can do much better, and that the nerves degrade performance. They assess the student on their worst performance

>>983359
Wikipedia claims it did have a full dvd release.

>>983375
You can find it on amazon for way too much or on some really damn old fansite by the looks.

But I'm sure it must be around online somewhere.

>>983373
Sounds about right. At least they took some people from the tower to do the examination so they had ops experience.

>>983138
>first jobs were banner towing, glider towing, local tourist flights, then aerial photography
I'm literally fine with anything, I don't care if the pay is shite. I just need them hours.

>>977992
I went to Guthrie to see that A-10 about a year ago!

The chief mechanic there, Vince, is a super nice guy. If anyone is in the area I would highly recommend going in and seeing the plane. He let me climb all over it and look in the cockpit etc.

He told me to come back when the plane is painted white.

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Does anyone requirements/limitations/suggestions to get into the Alaskan bush flying market?

I'm not a pilot yet, but the thought of flying in Alaska sounds a lot more thrilling and rewarding than working my ass off for some of the airlines and regionals in the country I currently reside in.

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>>983845
I honestly have no clue but given some of those emmigrant shows it's rather competitive to get any sort of bush pilot like job. But then again those are shows.

My best guess is that you'll probably have to get a CPL. That and the rating on whatever aircraft they operate, so check what's common I guess.

I'm sure some other Anon knows more.

>>983845
I would love to be a bush pilot, but at the same time I detest the cold.
Suffering.

>>983845
Go for commercial single and apply for a job with a company that uses C208 Grand Caravans. If I wasn't too far down the airline track that is what I would do. It looks so fun

Now, if I were to fly people from work to more far-flung areas with a PPL, would I be able to get the guys I work for to rent out the aircraft and use me as a pilot without paying me?

I could give a class on aviation safety if that's a prerequisite

>>984027
Not sure where you're from but in the US that's illegal. You have to pay at least your 'pro rata share' of the cost of the flight.

>>984054
Man do I love regulations.

>>984027
>>984054
I think the same holds true for EASA land. You have to pay at least something with the PPL but there are some exceptions that I can't remember off the top of my head.

I do know it doesn't have to be 50/50, the PAX can pay more than you do.

Check the relevant air crew regs for your country.

>>984140
>the PAX can pay more than you do

The way it is in Burgerland, let's say you have 3 passengers in a 172 (you have maybe enough fuel to start up and shut down... but whatever)

An hour in the 172 costs let's say $160. You fly for an hour with your 3 passengers, and each person should pay $40. This way, You, the pilot only pays $40 while the others pay a total of $120.

Typically I just pay for the flight myself and certain gifts come at certain times.

>>984154
>pilot only pays $40 and the pax pay $60 each

Yeah that isn't pro rata share.

>>984159
Think he means three pax + pilot, each paying 40 bucks for a total of 160.

>>984054
>>984140
I figured it was, but I read something in the FAR that said you could pilot an aircraft for an organization or charity without paying for it, so long as you're not getting paid to fly and you have a class of some type on aviation safety.

>>984199
I think I that it is legal under EASA to do some form of sightseeing flights or so with a flight school/club without getting paid.

But I don't have it on hand. Might check at home but that's something you could look for in the FARs. Maybe there's an equivalent.

>>984172
That makes more sense.

6 hours of flying today. Wew.

I flew to Kansas City, if anyone here lives up there. Pretty city.

>>984555

RCM here. Did an hour an a half today myself. LOTS of people in transit for Oshkosh.

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Who else here KOSH??

I'm on the north 40, the only Cessna 150 in row 515. COME SAY HI.

Flew to KCRE today and down the coast that is the shithole of Myrte Beach. Anyone else go anywhere interesting this weekend?

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Smoke in the SF bay

You fellas gotta come to Oshkosh next year so we can have a 4chan meetup lol I'm going to a pilots of America forum get together tomorrow and I don't even lurk there