Japanese Railways General

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Dumping some Kiha 283 Series pics.

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>KiHa 283 Series

Considering how JR Hokkaido claims that they will eventually replace the older limited express DMUs by the end of 2010s (KiHa 183, 281, and 283) and they forego the production of KiHa 285 in favor of building more KiHa 261 DMUs due to a string of accidents starting from early 2010s. Would they be able to actually do everything along with "developing" a replacement for the KiHa 40 DMU and the oldest 721 EMUs?

http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2015/150508-1.pdf

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Anyone have that video of the female stationmaster waving a train into her small station very theatrically?

Comfy picture of an ekiben kiosk at a train station where you can buy a delicious lunch for your journey.

>>1008178
I read somewhere that JR East and JR Hokkaido are jointly developing a new hybrid DMU to replace JNR era DMUs.

>>1008210
Which one? There are quite a few of them.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E5%8C%97%E6%9D%A1%E9%89%84%E9%81%93+%E6%B3%95%E8%8F%AF%E5%8F%A3%E9%A7%85

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What jap trains have bike racks?

>>1008619

The one that you just posted (the JR West La Malle de Bois set converted from a 213 Series EMU) is probably one of the few trains in Japan that has bike racks.

>Japan
>Actually taking your bike into a packed train

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>>1008714
Delete this

>>1008580

>I read somewhere that JR East and JR Hokkaido are jointly developing a new hybrid DMU to replace JNR era DMUs.

Apparently it will be diesel-electric instead of "regular" hybrid DMUs, which would be the first time Japan is building a diesel-electric train since the 1950s. The replacement bid apparently was open to foreign rolling stock manufacturers as well. For JR East though, there are apparently two different new models of DMUs being introduced to replace the KiHa 40 family of DMUs.

- 18 single car regular DMU for the Hachinohe Line

- 63 Diesel-Electric DMU (19 single car, 22 2-car sets) for various lines in the Niigata and Akita area, more will be built later on (perhaps to replace older KiHa 110 DMUs?)

Sauce from JR East:

https://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2014/20141123.pdf
https://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2015/20150510.pdf

>>1008919
What are the advantages of diesel-electric DMUs versus regular ones?

>>1008974

I'm assuming better acceleration since the diesel-electric will be using a diesel generator to generate electricity to drive the electric motors instead of KiHa 40 DMUs diesel engine, torque converter, and reduction drive for locomotion.

>>1008974
>>1009076
Mostly in the form of smoother acceleration rather than more acceleration, better response and control of power really. Besides that, you don't have to deal with the relative mechanical nightmare should there be a day it doesn't like you. The Australian VLocity DMU is diesel hydraulic drive and has acceleration specs which would make subway trains sweat

I'm pretty sure most have watched the Japan Railway Journal courtesy of someone in the last thread, the new episode came out a week or so ago and it talks about all the work required to maintain the Shinkansen network, rolling stock, and everything else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5GtGJ2WPNE

>>1009908
Probably not as informative as this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-jW5JyEyf0

>>1008210

This?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvfFHeo4PL0&index=68&list=WL

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>>1008619
Every station is littered with hundreds of abandoned mamachari, there's no need to take one onto the train.

>>1010887
I like the photo.
Do bike parking lots like these sell the abandoned bikes or rent them out?

>>1011361
They probably just sit there rusting forever, especially if the bike is registered (besides being unable to tell how long specific ones have been left there among the others easily). It also means that your chances of getting arrested for pinching one hinge very strongly on how gaijin you look
On the other hand, if it's left in a place where it isn't meant to be (or tossed in a pond), then they'll have it removed and chucked somewhere sooner or later

>>1011361
>>1011385

They dont do like we do in Denmark? Here a few times a year workers will put tape or stickers around the wheel of all bikes. If the bike is used, the tape will break. After a few weeks (or even months) the bikes with unbroken tape are then removed.

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The construction for the last three cards of JR East's E001 Series Cruise Train for its "Train Suite SHIKISHIMA" were recently completed as Cars 5~7 (Lounge, Dining, and Deluxe Suite cars) were seen being transported from J-TREC's Yokohama factory to JR East's Oku Rolling Stock Center in Tokyo, the other 7 cars were transported from Kawasaki Heavy Industries' Hyogo factory to Oku RSC earlier this month and are currently undergoing testing on Joban Line

http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2016/09/27/433/

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>>1011386
They put stickers on the bikes, but I don't think they actually take them away until they become an eyesore.

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JUST SPLIT MY NETWORK IN TWO THANKS SENPAI

>>1011710
The Sekihoku line will reopen on 10/1.

http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2016/160926-1.pdf

I wonder if JR Freight will reroute freight trains on the Senmo and Sekihoku lines.

>>1011806
>JR Frieght
I wonder if they even missed any deliveries with how little frieght goes via rail.

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What do they use to refuel dem DMU's

Sanko Line will be officially closed on April 1st, 2018. This will be the longest railway line closure in Honshu at 108.1 km (all other longer closures that occured are in Hokkaido)

http://www.westjr.co.jp/press/article/2016/09/page_9318.html

>Already mentioned on how West JR spent a lot of money to repair the line twice after damage caused by rainfall within the last ten years in previous thread
>Closes it anyway after a few years

JUST

JR Hokkaido negotiating with local governments to close 51(!) stations which have less than one passenger per day. Of the 51, five stations are located on the section of the Rumoi line being closed this December which nonetheless leaves 46 stations that are possibly closing next March.

Sauce:
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/economy/20161001-OYT1T50064.html

Commentary:
http://tabiris.com/archives/jr-hokkaido-19/
http://okutta.blog.jp/archives/6944492.html

Stations colored red see less than one passenger per day (p6):

http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2016/160328-1.pdf

>>1013074
>you will NEVER get to ride it

>>1012878

They're all probably just unmanned platforms does it really cost that much to keep them open?

>>1013158

Don't worry, now go get to ride an assortment of dildotrains of higher speed.

>>1013253
It's probably the maintenance factor and long term fuel usage of having to stop too
Reminder: It'll probably be just the Shinkansen left by 2035 and it'll be run by JR East

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>>1008054
Thanks for the train. Looking forward to see more of this railcar being refurbed and put in service in 2018

>>1013956

>More of this railcar

Hate to break the bad news to you, only 5 of them were built and those two cars are all you will get since Aizu Railways sold the other two to a railway preservation society and the center car was scrapped ages ago

>>1014749
Prolly different models since there are plans to get more so they could establish proper commuter service to the downton areas

Currently the train frequency is really bad at 3 return journey/day

>>1013387
Shinkansen, Yamanote and maybe Seven Stars.

Do you know that October 14th is known as Railway Day in Japan? It was established in 1922 by Japan's Ministry of Railways to commenerate the first railway line in 1872 linking Shinbashi to Yokohama, and each year most railway companies will host events and other campaigns to celebrate (barring any externalities). JR East is hosting one in Tokyo Station from Oct 8th ~ 10th with various dioramas, stamp rallies, and opening the staff cafeteria in Tokyo Station

http://response.jp/article/2016/10/09/283235.html

>>1015193

I think he is referring to what will be left of JR Hokkaido by 2035, and I guess the Sapporo metro area and the stretch between Sapporo and Asahikawa can stay too since that should have enough ridership to not bleed money

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So I'm going to Japan this January, mostly for the purposes of riding trains.
Any suggestions for rail lines to ride or other railway related spots to visit?

So far I'm planning on riding: all shinkansen lines, Chiba urban monorail, various lines in Shikoku, and the Iida line.
I want to see some comfy snowy scenery that looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o_lwvOTTNE

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>>1017508
Just go to Hokkaido and try to plan a journey that'll whip you through the middle of nowhere but returning you back to the real world before you freeze to death. If that isn't encouraging, then just try to think of all the lines that'll be closing!

Otherwise, also consider the Chuo Line via Wideview Shinano since it goes through the mountains. Most preferably, go for the front of the Green Car since you get to see the front of the train
Upstairs on the Max Toki for the Joetsu Shinkansen is also preferable since it has a much better view (for what isn't tunnel anyway)

If you plan to burn time, consider the slow routes too like the Joetsu line to see Doai and the like
And go to places like around Mt Takao and Hakone
There is more to Japanese railway than just Shinkansen
Maybe Hisatsu Orange Restaurant? Kintetsu Shimakaze?

I presume you have enough of a brush of Japanese to survive a tourist length? Because you'll need to be making at least a few reservations for good seats on trains, possibly a day or so in advance for some, especially if it's peak season. Also, Green JR Pass. It does mean you'll have to reserve on all limited express and Shinkansen services to make the most of it but it's totally worth it imo

But most importantly, in between the trains also go for a stroll around as a lost tourist. You'll stumble across interesting things and nice food and that's ignoring the regional selection of obento

Japan is the candy store and you are the child with your parents' credit card (or you own I guess, ignoring that they generally prefer cash). Unless you've already been before, in which case you probably know your way around well enough already

Just don't be me and spend an unhealthy amount of time on the train shitposting on 4chan

>>1017508
How many weeks are you staying? Obviously buy a Japan Rail Pass, preferably Green for maximum comfiness like >>1017539 suggests.

Shinkansen are comfy but the views aren't too scenic since they just blast tunnels through the mountains. I'd recommend riding the only remaining regularly scheduled overnight service, Sunrise Izumo/Seto, which runs between Tokyo and Izumo/Takamatsu, if you can get a reservation. Of course you have to pay extra if you want a room to yourself, but IMO it's worth it. The JR and private companies also run trains that are run for tourists. These can be anything from steam locomotive pulled carriages or fancy trains where you can wine and dine. If you're heading for Hokkaido, I'd ride around on the lines that don't have any express service (i.e. the lines that are probably going to get axed due to low ridership). You need a timetable though, since there are usually only a few trains a day.

Seems like Hokkaido Shinkansen perform much better than expected http://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/138730?display=b

>>1017539
>>1017571
Thanks for the suggestions, definitely going with a green JR pass. This will be my second time going to Japan and I'll be there for two weeks alone, then two more weeks with some friends. I'll probably post a more detailed itinerary here when I figure things out.

I don't really know enough Japanese to be useful for making reservations. Can I just show the ticket office clerk a route on Hyperdia.com/write it down when I want a specific train?

I want to spend a lot of time using the Shinkansen and getting a feel for it since with any luck my state will eventually be getting HSR. I see some areas where I can combine local train and Shinkansen travel. If I do end up getting bored of looking at tunnels plenty of shitposts will be posted.

>>1017575
Isn't it still losing money for the company though?

>>1017710
>Can I just show the ticket office clerk a route on Hyperdia.com/write it down when I want a specific train?

Yeah, that should be fine.

>my state will eventually be getting HSR.

HSR in America? I'll believe it when I see it.

>>1017715
The report mainly focus on the social aspect and did not cover about JR's balance, but at this rate when the segment to Sapporo is opened the train might actually be full and the Asahigawa extension proposal might start to make some(1ppb) sense

>>1017710
Just remember to specify Green Car during your reservations and check your ticket too. I was once given a ticket for car 7 on a Hikari (adjacent to but not Green) from Shizuoka and had to get it reissued. Although I think the attendant just wanted to spark a conversation of some sort for shits and giggles because it was quiet. That was fun
Oh and don't forget to stock up on the ekiben and booze before you board. It's just easier that way because the trolley lady sometimes runs out and variety onboard is sometimes limited. Also, nice snack combo is Shinkansen ice cream and waffles (or those doughnut sticks if you're in Kyushu)

>>1017732
I guess the long run issue in it all though is how much they can pick up along the route. It'll never pick up the Tokyo crowd because flying is still a bit faster (and probably cheaper) but the Tohoku lot could be a market

>>1017575

Whether the ridership will continue to increase (or at least maintain itself) instead of declining in the future is more important, back when the Seikan Tunnel opened in 1988 there was an increase in ridership too but it eventually went down

>>1017769

>It'll never pick up the Tokyo crowd because flying is still a bit faster (and probably cheaper)

It will basically be like the Tokyo / Fukuoka stretch where the majority share will be flying (According to West JR the Shinkansen has less than 10% share), even with the hypothetical 4 hour travel time with an operating speed of 360 km/h I doubt the Tohoku-Hokkaido Shinkansen will have more than 20% share

>>1017769
Yes, the article say Hakodate is now getting fewer foreign visitors but more from NE Japan. Figures also shows that hokkaido shinkansen occupancy is now 39% while plane flying between Tokyo and Hakodate's occupancy remain roughly unchange and on the shipping side there's even a 30% increse thus it's not takong away existing market

Just read that a reasin why they're deploying new trains into Yamanote lines before old train's end of line is that they lack the manpower to change advertisements in those trains and thus they are making new trains with LCD display to show ads so that they can change ads without needing to change them manually?

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Would you a train?

>>1018058
I thought they're still doing to have paper ads on the E235 series.

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Sauce: http://trafficnews.jp/post/58457/

For the up and coming IPO of JR Kyushu, JRTT has decided that each share will cost 2,600 Yen and a total of 160 million shares will be issued (120 M for Japan and 40 M for outside Japan). Owning at least 100 shares will give you certificates that gives you discount in fares and various perks for JR Kyushu's non-transportation related companies

>>1018088

They still do according to various pictures posted on social media and websites

>The whole schtick about High Burikko-chan

Okay.jpg

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Standing coin demo on shinkansen

>>1019111
Holy fuck that's smooth.

>>1019111
The chinks (rather, an indian who rode chink high speed train) did similar test with AA-sized battery

Sure standing coin is more awesome but on a practical side, they are both pretty smooth

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A recent press release from Odakyu Electric Railway announces that they will make a new model of Romancecars, it will be designated as the 70000 Series. Odakyu will build 2 sets of 7-cars and enter service in Spring 2018

http://www.odakyu.jp/program/info/data.info/8500_1656600_.pdf

Did anyone here watch the new Godzilla?
Thoughts about the train scene?

Another one bites the dust~

http://dd.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/society/society/1-0329677.html

Section of the Hidaka line currently closed due to damage from typhoons to be abandoned. The short section from Mukawa to Hidaka Monbetsu may reopen but is uncertain.

>>1020225

It is not surprising though considering the section that was damaged is basically "most of the line"

- 116 km out of the 146.5 km line was damaged from high tide last year
- Initially it would cost 2.6 Billion Yen to restore the line, but now it'd cost 3.8 Billion Yen due to this year's Tyhpoons #9 and #10
- JR Hokkaido basically loses 1.64 Billion Yen each year to run a line that has around 300 passengers/km/day

http://tabiris.com/archives/hidakasen/

>Another one bites the dust~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

Can someone explain to me a bit about why the city Yuubari voluntarily give up its rail line?

>>1018088
Well, some.

>>1020609
The city read the writing on the wall and instead of waiting for JR Hokkaido to close the line, they decided to give up the line for concessions from the company.

>>1020225
This one actually lasted too long.

JR Hokkaido in negotiations with local authorities to close the remainder of the Rumoi line (Fukagawa - Rumoi), the Sassho line noth of Hokkaido Iryo-Daigaku, and the section of the Nemuro line from Furano to Shintoku.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/economy/20161025-OYT1T50018.html?from=ytop_main5
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/sapporo-news/20161025/3825441.html

>>1021081

>Closing the section of the Nemuro Line between Furano and Shintoku

RIP 2427D aka the longest local train in Japan in terms of time (renumbered from 2429D this year, and it was also the longest local train in terms of distance as well at 308.4km before West JR's 369M supersede it again at 384.7km from Okayama to Shimonoseki this year)

http://northrailway-fishing.com/2429D.html

>>1013158
I went in one at the train museum. Close enough.

>>1017508
As other said, JR Pass is a godsend. Green-sha is kind of overpriced for what it is, so you can forego that. But assigned seats for every train you'll ride for howmuch ever long you're staying is wonderful.

Just don't do what I did and go from Tokyo to Kumamoto and back to Hiroshima on one day.

Also, there are train museums in Nagoya and Saitama. Latter is highly recommended; former, I haven't been so I cannot tell you.

As for railways--hmm. Nankai Railways comes to mind. If you're feeling silly you can also ride the entire Yamanote Line.

>>1021507

>Go from Tokyo to Kumamoto and back to Hiroshima on one day

Can you even manage to do anything in Kumamoto with that kind of schedule? It'd take you at least six and a half hours to go from Tokyo to Kumamoto since you can't use Nozomi/Mizuho trains with the Passes and you basically have to transfer to a Sakura train in Shin-Osaka, and going from Kumamoto to Hiroshima takes around an hour and a half.

>Also, there are train museums in Nagoya and Saitama

There's also a new one in Kyoto as well

>>1021513
>Transfer to a Sakura train on Shin-Osaka
Yup, basically what I did. Overall, took an entire day.

>>1021513
Also, no. We didn't do jack shit in Kumamoto. We went there for... something. Again, don't ask.

>>1021513
I once spent a grand total of 15 minutes in Kagoshima. It was colder, more windy and miserable than I expected. Hightailed it back to Hakata

>>1021507
Depends on how train addicted you are I guess. $80 or so extra for 1 week of Green Car ain't too shabby if you're going to milk it for all it's worth. But I guess for what is a premium product, it is kinda bare in that you just get a better seat, wet towel and blankets

>>1021513
The one in Kyushu does not count?

>>1017539
>taking a chink laptop to japan
Why?

>>1021919
>IBM
>chink
>implying your PC parts aren't built in Asia anyways no matter what company designs them

>>1021932
The laptop have lenovo written on it

>>1021919
Not OP but even Fujitsu will soon sell its laptop division to lenovo anyway

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>>1021919
Considering ThinkPads for the Japanese market are made domestically by NEC anyway, I don't think they could tell the difference
Then there's the HP desktops with the Made in Tokyo stickers on them lel
Besides, there's plenty of used ThinkPads along the street in Akihabara

Have a haunted train

>>1021897

Assuming your are talking about the one next to Mojiko Station, that one is tiny compared to the mainland ones. (The numbers are for the total floor area and are denoted in Sq. Meters)

Railway Museum / JR East: 28,200
SCMaglev and Railway Park / JR Central: 14,384.50
Kyoto Railway Museum / West JR: 31,000
Kyushu Railway Museum / Kitakyushu City: 2,942.42

Source: JPN Wikipedia pages for each museum

>>1022055

For whoever's interested, that is Keifuku's Haunted Train and it is the 10th Anniversary

http://www.keifuku.co.jp/release/pdf/2016youkai.pdf

Traffic and income/expenditure stats for JR Hokkaido railway lines FY2015:
http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2016/161104-1.pdf

>>1010792
So comfy!

Shinkansen:

Pros: Stations located in central parts of the city (Tokyo Station is in Marunouchi and Shin-Osaka is in Umeda), if you miss your train the next one comes in 5-10 minutes, no security theater
Cons: One-way ticket between Tokyo and Shin-Osaka is 13,000 yen with little to no discounts ever for non-tourists, employers don't reimburse for Shinkansen commutes as much as they did in the 80s

Airplanes:

Pros: Pound-for-pound cheaper than Shinkansen for train journeys longer than 4h (which is why there's no HND-SDJ service but there's plenty of HND-CTS service), lots of competition (Air Do, Peach Air, Skymark, Jetstar Japan) has driven down prices in the last few years
Cons: Airports located in far flung places (Narita Airport is in podunk Chiba; Kansai Airport is near Sakai which is basically Wakayamashi as far as I'm concerned), security theater, late night flights mean you'll have to get a cab since even the goddamn limousine buses stop running at 23:00

Buses:

Pros: Motherfucking 4,000 yen one-way from Tokyo to Osaka
Cons: Buses get stuck in traffic a lot, fares are usually closer to 5,000-6,000 yen one-way, JR Bus Tokai is extortionist, the Willer seats that don't have you aching (Relax, Sleeper, Cocooon) are only slightly cheaper than flying

One more con about flying: LCCs like Air Do or Skymark are the Ryanair of Japan

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>>1017539
Hey, I took one like that too. This was back in '08 on Hikari, which I think would've been a 500 or 700 series.

JR Pass is awesome. I didn't bother with the green version, but I was in Japan for 3 weeks that trip and I traveled all over the place with mine. I took several trips from Tokyo to Osaka and Kyoto, and another up to Hokkaido. I took the Hokutosei for the northbound side of the latter and that was awesome, I think I had to pay a bit extra but I highly recommend it if you want a taste of the classic sleeper car experience.

>>1025437
Since the launch of Hokkaido Shinkansen, Hokutosei have been retired from regular passenger service, amd the only way to ride them now is to book one of those special trips organized by travel agencies which cost about 100k yen. Shinkansen is now the only regular passenger service between hokkaido and honshu.

>>1025915

Actually the ones that are being used for the special trips are JR East's E26 series passenger cars used for Cassieopia service. Most of the 24 Series passenger car that were used for the Hokutosei services have been scrapped due to age (30~40+ years old), a few of them have been preserved however through crowdfunding / being bought and converted by businesses

Which lines still use those 6 door trains?

>>1008619
Fuck gaijin who put bike rack on bike

We dont want you on our Japanese train

Only japan faggot bike rack lock train

Another month has almost gone by and naturally the topic of JR Hokkaido has popped up in some railfan sites regarding its financial troubles. The one in Response.jp shows the hypothetical scenario of closing down all the lines with extremely low ridership + third sector transfer for the Hakodate Main Line between Hakodate and Otaru, which basically means it'd lose over half the lines

http://response.jp/article/2016/11/18/285616.html
http://tabiris.com/archives/jr-hokkaido-22/

>>1029068
Original documents from JR Hokkaido:
http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2016/161118-3.pdf
http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2016/161118-4.pdf (PPT version)

IMO there's no way out of this other than the Japanese government or JR East stepping in to help, which I doubt is going to happen. Local municipalities don't have the financial resources to support unprofitable lines, and the problem of low ridership is going to get worse with decreasing population.

>>1029068
If Wakkanai line end then persumably any talk about linking Japanese and Russian railway together will have to be ended?
Would it be easier to them if 富良野線 is to be turned to a seasonal line?

>>1029188
I doubt the Hokkaido-Sakhalin rail link will ever happen so I don't think JR Hokkaido has any good reason to keep the Soya line north of Nayoro. Turning the Furano line into a season line is kinda pointless if JR Hokkaido still owns the infrastructure.

>>1029186

Just operating the trains and paying salaries for the staff are pretty much the least of the problems. According to the PDF it is the cost of maintaining the aging infrastructure and rolling stock are the major factors of those steep losses, consider how a lot of the infrastruture are approaching/exceed the 100 y.o. mark and the average age of their KiHa 40 Series DMUs is 35 y.o. I can't see how anyone JR or otherwise would put in so much money just to lose even more money

>>1008212
Ha! Look at that bitch nigga train, fuck

>>1029240
How about JASDF? Surely these lines could be useful in defense?

>>1029446
I don't think so. The Type 61 tank was designed to be transportable by rail, but it's been retired, and none of the newer tanks were designed with the same requirement. Plus, there are more roads now.

>>1008619

They dont do the rack thing.

in japan, in order to take your bike onto a train you gotta get a bike bag. Take your front and rear wheel off and bag that shit.

They sell bags for taking your bike on the train at any local bike shop.

>>1008212
cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC5QLwwr9Oo

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Karasuyama Line and Oga Line get ACCUM BEMUs. Senseki Line gets hybrid diesel-electric trains. But poor Hachiko Line gets stuck with the KiHa 110. Doubly funny since E233s are used on the part of the electrified portion (Haijima-Komagawa).

In other news, the Seibu 40000 series will start commercial operation on the Ikebukuro Line sometime next year. This will allow subway trains to continue all the way to Seibu-Chichibu instead of short-turning at Hanno.

There's a crossover switch at Seibu-Chichibu connecting to the private Chichibu Main Line (you can see the crossover on Google Maps) so subway trains could hypothetically continue on to Mitsumineguchi.

http://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/105326
First Japanese LCC to launch Hakodate domenstic route.
What impact will it have on Shinkansen?

If most Hokkaido Shinkansen users are from NE, then why they aren't sending trains directly from Hakodate to Akita or reverse?

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What have went wrong to make this the quickest route? And how to fix this?

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Anyone know what's the outcome of this study?

>>1031179
I mean, what will they do withit, instead of what optionsthey have

>the extension of Shinkansen to Hakodate that caused the cancellation of night express train to aomori mean you can no longer board the train at night and arrive earlier than the earliest flight. Now the earliest time you can reach Tokyo by train is 2pm.

If JR East gain so much more profit every year, would it be a good idea for the government to force JR East to take JR Hokkaido? At least if they are the same entity then kiha285 development would likely continue?

>>1031175

Unfortunately one of the legs (Ltd. Exp Shirayuki between Joetsu-Myoko > Niigata) of the quickest route (Fukui > Kanazawa > Joetsu-Myoko > Niigata) only has 5 round trips per day, so you will have to leave Fukui later so you don't have to go all the way to Omiya/Takasaki to change trains

>>1031193

>Not taking the Seikan Ferry to Aomori in the middle of the night and take the first Hayabusa

>>1031194

>If JR East gain so much more profit every year, would it be a good idea for the government to force JR East to take JR Hokkaido?

I really don't think the brass in JR East would like that since JR East at this point is completely public

>At least if they are the same entity then kiha285 development would likely continue?

Considering how JR Hokkaido will probably just build KiHa 261-1000 DMUs instead to replace whatever they will retiring, they can always just [lolnospoiler] sell the prototype to JR Shikoku instead [/lolnospoiler]

>>1031200
If ferry is used:

In case you use Hakodate - Aomori route:
The last train to Hakodate depart Sapporo at 20:00, and will reach Goryokaku at 23:27. There you can take 15 minutes taxi to the terminal and the ship would depart at 23:50 (is there enough time to account for delay and check in process to take the ferry? If you want to be safe you need to take the earlier train, i.e. the one that depart at 6pm)
You need to wake up at 03:40 when the ferry will reach Aomori
You then need to wait two hours for the first train to take you to Shin-Aomori before boarding first Shinkansen (btw what the hell is pic related)

In case you use Tomakomai - Hachonohe route
You need to take the ferry that depart Tomakomai at 21:15, which mean you need to leave Sapporo station at 20:00 if you use taxi to take you to the port
You need to wake up at 04:45 when the ferry reach Hachinohe port.
You can then get a taxi and reach Hachinohe station by 05:10 and wait at the station for an hour

Alternatively if you take the 23:59 ferry from Tomakomai or the 03:10 ferry from Hakodate then the time you reach Tokyo will already be around noon.

Even if you ignore the discomfort of wake up in the middle of the night and then have to wait one or two hours, both options require you to leave Sapporo almost three hours earlier than Hamanasu.
And if you can leave Sapporo at 20:00, you might as well take the train 5 minutes later to New Chitose and fly to Haneda, and if you arrive Tokyo with that flight, you can still take the last train into Tokyo urban area and get a good rest instead of wake up at 3

>>1031200
1. I mean if JR East take over them at or before the time they have to make the decision to cancel kiha285.
2. Obviously they won't like it, but I said force them to take. Might be also give them amount of money equal to about 20 years losses and legally bind their responsibility so that they can't simply scrap the entire system
3. The only Shirayuki train to Niigata with reasonable transfer time (less than an hour but large enough for the app to recognize) from a Hakutaka train is Kanazawa 16:09 > 17:12 JoetsuMyoko 17:26 > 19:25 Niigata ?! What is with the timetabling?

(Kanazawa 09:21 > 10:24 JoetsuMyoko 10:33 > 12:30 Niigata
Kanazawa 06:13 > 07:16 JoetsuMyoko 07:25 > 09:25 Niigata
Kanazawa 11:56 > 12:58 JoetsuMyoko 13:07 > 15:07 Niigata
Kanazawa 20:17 > 21:20 JoetsuMyoko 21:28 > 23:25 Niigata
should also be ok but for some reason the app skipped this when searching, is that because yahoo think more transfer time would be needed at JoetsuMyoko?)
(Those Haneuma trains that directly go to Niigata also seems competitive but the amount of those are also limited)

>>1031219
Minimum 10 minutes break to change trains in searches, maybe.

>>1009915
looks comfy as fuck

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What's /n/ though of Suzuran?

Usually the train I took when going to Sapporo and Chitose Airport.

https://youtu.be/dAOHr8PBgpI
wth happened to Hakata

>>1031485

Around a month ago there is a large sinkhole near the Hakata Station during the construction for the Nanakuma Line expansion, they fixed it up in a few days and now it is happening again around a week ago ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/11/08/national/huge-street-sinkhole-causes-turmoil-near-hakata-station/

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/11/26/national/new-road-fukuoka-sinkhole-slumps/

>>1031486
I mean, in term of policy and etc.

>>1031501

I'd assume they want to make the disruption to a minimum so they might have hastily reopened the road

>>1031504
I mean, the policy against JR and trams and such in the construction process of the metro as shown in the video...

>>1031481
Haven't rode it since I don't have relatives in Hokkaido. Do you live in Hokkaido? If so, did you managed to visit the end section of the Rumoi line before it closes tomorrow?

>>1031485
The synthetic voice is scary af.

>>1031896

I'm pretty sure if is an attempt to mask your own voice for whatever reason (privacy?), but it is quite unsettling

For those who lament the demise of the Hokutosei, JR East Urban Development Corporation is opening a hostel near the JR Bakurocho Station in Tokyo called the Train Hostel HOKUTOSEI. The hostel uses the beds, equipment, and furnitures taken from the former 24 Series passenger cars used for the Hokutosei service and use them for various types of rooms. It is slated to open on December 15th

http://response.jp/article/2016/12/02/286314.html
http://trainhostelhokutosei.com/en/

>>1031896
That voice seems to be standard on various Japanese sites for text to speech purpose, like for reading aloud real time comments on niconico live streaming. Not sure where the voice come from, the default one in windows?

>>1031955
fuck that's awesome

>>1019971
That was amazing

RIP the Rumoi line section that ended its service yesterday

増毛町の堀雅志町長は「鉄道ファンの私が廃線に同意の判を押さねばならず、最後の日に立ち会わねばならないことは非常につらい」と、時折声を詰まらせながら語った。
What would you do if you are the township leader

>>1032027
Spend all of the town treasury funds to let it remain open for another year.

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>you will NEVER get to ride the 300 series

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>>1032479
Well, the chocolate (or grey for West JR) interior is kinda eh. But dat GTO-VVVF inverter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwdg4Yxq-TU

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Looks like JR Central has opened up the possibility of multiple working the maglev. Not sure how the aerodynamics will do but maybe we'll see ultra long formations of 16+16 car?

>>1032503
No. U sure? Sauce? Platform length a big no-no.
JR Central is going modularized in N700S series. Testing different formations and combinations isn't groundbreaking.

>>1032548
Look closely, that's an L0, not an N700S. The dip between the 2 noses I would imagine has more implications for aerodynamics at 500 km/h than 300 (since JR East seems to be doing fine with E5+E6 formations)
The picture is a 7+7 formation but who says 16+16 can't be done?! (if there is even the demand for that)

>>1032548
Modularization of N700s is to allow having N700S in 8/12/16 car config. IIRC, older shinlansen can already connect one after another like this.

btw, for N700S, they said they're planning to extend its service to Nagasaki too? Does that mean N700S will be a free gauge train?

>>1033001

>btw, for N700S, they said they're planning to extend its service to Nagasaki too? Does that mean N700S will be a free gauge train?

Considering how a gauge changing train should not exceed the loading gauge of a narrow gauge train, I highly doubt the N700S will be one since it will probably be standard gauge only.

As far as the Nagasaki section of the Kyushu Shinkansen is concerned, it depends on how the testing of the third generation Free Gauge Train prototype goes (which just recently resumed testing after it was stopped in 2014 due to problems with the bogie) since using a relay system would not save too much time

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Destroyed Joban line section reopened. Though I don't see the section out of action due to the Fukushima No. 1 incident returning any time soon

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201612100046.html

>>1032644
Obviously mentioning the paradigm. Do you think one would not distinguish L0 and N700S series?
Real world says it can't be done.

>>1033001
...
GCT doesn't mean you modify any train to be one. Do you not know Mini-shinkansen or what?

>>1033091
minishinkansen require regauging or dual gauging which they aren't doing

>>1033089
A 30 car E217 has happened before (on christmas day no less, must be JR East's gift to the tetsudofan). Maybe they'll have a sudden population boom because someone started a cloning lab to ensure Japan's future survival and JR Central suddenly decides on making 800 metre platforms

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If we ignore cost/revenue, from engineering/technical point of view, how realistic is it to have a shinkansen connecting Oita and Matsuyama?

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http://www.kyoto-np.co.jp/top/article/20161208000019 Seems like government is going to push for the 1+5 route

Some on 2ch suggest that JR can build 1 first, and by the time it is completed, free gauge train should be ready for use in the Kyoto-Osaka segment, which will save the country 100B Yen.

Others have suggested that maybe the final segment toward Osaka can be shared with Linear shinkansen to split and save some cost

>>1033151
If 1 is going to be finished later than linear then the supporting reason of not using proposal 3 would be much weaker?

>>1033093
The vehicle.
Am I not hinting clear enough.

>>1033114
K. A special one-off train on existing lines.
While Tokkaido Shinkasen is quite used up currently, Chuo Shinkansen should have no problem handling the displaced demand. Unless they lengthen it somehwere (incurring JR West in the plans) there's no need to break long ass formations.

>>1033181
Tsuruga-Maibara doesn't serve new areas better. Jam-packing trains on this corridor again might not be wise. Tokkaido residents has been long for more service so repeating the old times and the shared usage on Tohouku-Joetsu might not be the best.
Kyoto has been aggresive and reckless on their share of Shinkasen. Daring (to say at lesat) proposals of the Obama-Maizuru-Kyoto route and Chuo Shinkasen via Kyoto means giving something to it is in everyone's interest.

>>1033151
1. I don't see any line geomtry worth usinng GCT on Kyoto-Osaka. Rebuilding trains to gauge-change will be a waste. Given a gauge-train facility in Kyoto and the dimensions of existing Hokuriku Shinkasen vehicles, more explanations plz.
2. ? Change to Linear in Nara?

>>1033212
We're always talking about the vehicle right? Not sure what do you mean
>>1033221
The one Kyoto proposed might work if it is a proposal for Sanin Shinkansen.

>>1033347
The dimensions alright.

>>1033347
Kyoto roue was banned for some time already. Can't possibly be taken seriously.
There will be no Sanin Shinkansen until Shikoku gets one. No incentive demand and route-wise. Shikoku benefits from being on the way to Kyushu. where a cross-Kyushu line is possible. >>1033140
Sanyo Shinkansen is less crucial to merit a parallel secondary route and not there yet in ridership. A Chuo Shinkansen extension could only go to Kansai Airport and Wakayama in the short term, to think of one.
Basically nothing will happen now.

>>1033527
I specifically said if we ignore the amount of cost/revenue which also mean ignoring the demand and necessity

seems like NHK is now airing a JR Hokkaido special

daily average movement data and comment from 2ch... where are they from?
札幌~旭川間の流動数

在来線特急 5129人/日(札幌~深川⇔旭川の全利用者)
高速バス 964人/日(高速あさひかわ号利用者)
マイカー 31222人/日(札幌~深川⇔旭川直行の人数)

マイカーは台数じゃなくて人数カウントだが、滝川や深川は旭川への依存度が高い
ちなみに札幌⇔旭川直行のマイカー利用者は19000人超

札幌~深川⇔北見~網走
在来線特急 712人(特急オホーツク)
高速バス 510人(ドリーミントオホーツク号)
マイカー 2844人
航空 268人(札幌~女満別･乗り継ぎ客除く)

札幌~深川⇔音威子府~稚内
在来線特急 356人(特急S宗谷･サロベツ)
高速バス 115人(はまなす号･わっかない号)
マイカー 1293人
航空 110人(札幌~稚内･乗り継ぎ客除く)

何れも平成22年のデータだからまだJRがイケイケの時

札幌~深川⇔士別~美深
在来線特急 488人(特急S宗谷･サロベツ)
高速バス 159人(高速なよろ号)
マイカー 2740人

このデータを見るに宗谷本線は、宗谷北線を残すも廃止にするにも、非常に重い決断が必要
都市間輸送の4割程度が宗谷北線の利用者で、カットすると名寄以南にもしわ寄せが来る
だからスタンスとしては単独維持可能とは言わず、当面維持かつ要協議なんだろうね

Going to Japan for the second time in the Summer, this time alone. Only did minimal train-riding last time I was there and I was constrained because I was with family and staying with family in the middle of buttfuck nowhere. Can you rate my itinerary and give me any pointers? I want to spend 4 weeks there and base myself in different places and uses my JR Pass to get from place to place and go on day trips from my bases.

>Arrive in Tokyo from London 24th July (2017) and stay until 30th. Will not activate 3 week JR Pass until the 30th and will just use subway passes to get around Tokyo.
>Activate JR Pass on the 30th and travel to Osaka and base here for trips to Kobe/Nara/Kyoto/anywhere else I can find
>Leave Osaka 6th of August to stay with family in Yamaguchi Prefecture. Closest station is Obatake, Yanai on JR West local line about 20 minute bike ride away. Ferried across to Matsuyama from Yanai last time I stayed so I'd like to do that again maybe and also go up to Hiroshima and see more of the city.
>13th leave for Fukuoka and stay until the 15th, exploring Hakata and shit.
>15th leave for Nagasaki and see the port and melt in the sun
>18th all the way back up to Tokyo from Nagasaki, not sure about the logistics of this but it's an all day train trip which I'm excited about.
>19th fly to Seoul because 24hr layover so explore Seoul a little bit.
>20th back to London.

>>1034013

There's nothing really wrong with the trip except the going back to Tokyo from Nagasaki part since you need three train trips as JR Pass doesn't cover the Nozomi Super Express (which goes straight from Hakata to Tokyo) at all, so you basically have to do the following:

Nagasaki > Hakata (Ltd. Express Midori)
Hakata > Shin-Osaka (Sakura)
Shin-Osaka > Tokyo (Hikari)

>>1034017
Sounds like an adventure. Is that possible in one day? Also does it look like I'd be getting plenty out of the JR Pass? It's about £400 ($500, 59000Y).

>>1034019

>Is that possible in one day?

Definitely, it takes around eight and a half hours to go from Nagasaki to Tokyo by train according to various sites (Hyperdia and the JR sites)

>Also does it look like I'd be getting plenty out of the JR Pass? It's about £400 ($500, 59000Y).

The trip from Nagasaki to Tokyo alone is around 25000Y, so as long as you use the pass properly you should be able to not go neg on it

Why do Japanese people call time table "dia" ?

>>1034019
>>1034021
If not for the JR pass, it would be more economical and more interesting to ride a ferry fron Hakata to Busan then KTX or ITX to Seoul than a long shinkansen ride to Tokyo and then a international flight next day. (if you can do open jaws)
JR pass would still be more economical though

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>>1034101
Refers to as diagram (which can take a variety of forms) I guess which is a term normally used more for internal purposes

>>1034106
That also sounds an interesting idea. I'll look into costs, because I'm on a budget and I'm aiming to not have to stay in hostels where possible so a lot of my budget will be going on accommodation.

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Hnnnnng

>I will never, EVER ride this.

Why live?

>>1034237
If you use the Express train Sunrise instead of Shinkansen to travel from Tokyo to Kansai you can save one night of accomodation and also experience the only remaining regular night train run by JR. But the train is said to be rather popular so it could be full especially during summer, and reservation can only be made via green window which I don't know can you make such a reservations before activating the JR pass .

>>1034239
You can do it! Work for it!

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First photos of the EV-E801 series (battery-electric MUs which will operate in Akita Prefecture). Anyone know the type of JR Freight locomotive pulling the cars?

>>1030972

The KiHa 110-200s on the Hachiko Line aren't that old, they're about as old as the Yokosuka/Sobu Rapid E217s and newer than the 205-0s on the Musashino Line. And the non-electrified portion is very mountainous and rural; the low passenger demand means the DMUs haven't been beaten to death. The Hachiko Line is actually located the furthest inland of any of JR East's lines within Shutoken* (obviously excluding the medium-distance Chuo Line/Shinonoi Line services). I don't even think there's a pressing reason to replace Hachiko KiHa 110-200s with KiHa-E200s or KiHa-E120s, let alone the EV-E801 (which, lest I forget to mention, runs on AC power).

The KiHa 40s on the Oga Line, on the other hand, have been operating since the late 1970s. They're well overdue for replacement.

* - http://rail.crap.jp/r/14207.html

>>1034288

>The locomotive in question has EF510-7 in front of it
>Asks for type of JR Freight locomotive

SHIGGY DIGGY DOO

>The whole bit about replacing Hachiko Line DMUs

You know the EV-E301 (the one that runs on DC power) exists, and even then I'm not sure if a battery-electric MU will be able to last through 60 km of non-electrified line as Oga and Karasuyama Lines are much shorter

>>1034292
It should be able to with the presumably larger batteries, but the distance would mean that a full or almost charge is required to guarantee making it through and doing a round trip would without charging would be too risky

Schedule revision announcement: http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2016/161216-3.pdf

Highlights

Super Soya: Reduced to one round trip daily between Sapporo and Wakkanai and renamed Soya.

Sarobetsu: Two round trips daily between Asahikawa and Wakkanai and rolling stock upgraded to KiHa261.

Okhotsk: Reduced to two round trips daily.

Daisetsu: Two round trips daily between Asahikawa and Abashiri, replacing Okhotsk services. Rolling stock KiHa183.

Lailac: Same route as Super Kamui, except uses 789-0 series transferred from discontinued Super Hakucho services. This also eliminates 785 series on this route.

Elimination of the moniker "L Tokkyu".

Elimination of drink vending machines on trains.

Axing of 10 stations with low ridership.

>>1034375

The re-arrangement for the Sapporo <> Wakkanai / Abashiri basically confirmed the rumors about reducing the direct trips from Sapporo and have Asahikawa act as the relay point between those cities ...

>JR Hokkaido brought back the Lilac moniker after it was merged/replaced by Super Kamui in less than 10 years
>Kamui and Soya no longer have the "Super" prefix
>Elimination of drink vending machines on trains.

SaitamaOkay.jpg

http://www.jreast.co.jp/press/2016/20161219.pdf
http://jr-central.co.jp/news/release/_pdf/000032473.pdf
https://www.westjr.co.jp/press/article/2016/12/page_9685.html
http://www.jr-shikoku.co.jp/03_news/press/2016%2012%2016%2003.pdf
http://www.jrkyushu.co.jp/news/__icsFiles/afieldfile/2016/12/16/H29TimetableRevision.pdf

Highlights:

All regularly scheduled Nozomi and Hikari services will use N700A series rolling stock.

Extension of Kabe line from Kabe to Aki Kameyama opens.

>>1034292

That's why I didn't mention the EV-E301, because it only has 190kW of battery power, which results in about 30 km of range*.

Best case scenario is that the KiHa 110-200s are replaced in 10-15 years with the KiHa-E200/E120 (the HB-E210 also runs on AC power, so hybrid trains on the ハチ公 Line are a non-starter).

* - http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11153119511

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Some said this steam locomotive is predecessor to shinkansen?

>>1034478
>Some said
k

>>1034478
As predecessor to it as JetTrain is predecessor to Acela.

>>1034379
>Elimination of drink vending machines on trains.
Dry service.

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>>1034013
>Arrive in Tokyo from London 24th July
Rip senpai. Prepare to be drowning in sweat.

When you are in Kyoto, try to ride the Keifuku railways Randen tramline, it's very cosy. I believe it costs a flat rate of 260 or 360 yen (I don't remember it precisely) and when I was there, most of the people in the tram were locals which weren't very interested in the front window, giving me the possibility of shooting this video. You can see the driver controlling the tram. I definitely recommend it. You can use it to travel between Arashiyama and Ninnaji and/or Ryoanji temples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVV_Y9kcliU&t=53s

The Yurikamome in Tokyo is pretty nice too, although you have probably heard of it already as it's pretty famous. But don't expect to be able to see from the front window, you'll have a lot of competition for that. Unless maybe you wait at the line for the front car at a strategic station and get in once you are sure you will have a good spot. The area where the line goes to (Odaiba) is not very fun to visit on your own, though. I'd recommend you to bring some company with you.

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>>1035082
That pic is from the Randen tramline by the way, just like this one.

http://toyokeizai.net/articles/amp/147323?display=b&amp_event=read-body
JR West planning new cheap sleeper train?

http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2016/161221-4.pdf

RIP Hidaka Line (from Mukawa to Samani)

>>1035570

Well, it is not that suprising considering the cost to restore the line and the losses JR Hokkaido will have to incur to run the line as well. This pretty much means that the damaged section of the Tadami Line (27 km between Tadami and Aizu-Kawaguchi) will probably be abandoned too since it costs way too much for such low ridership (less than 50 passengers / km / day)

On other news, West JR's 323 Series EMU began its services today in the Osaka Loop Line. 21 sets will be built to replace the JNR Era 103 and 201 Series EMU and 6 sets have been delivered so far

http://news.jorudan.co.jp/docs/news/detail.cgi?newsid=JD1482559699795

>>1036043
About the Tadami line, looks like it's actually making a comeback.
http://tabiris.com/archives/tadamisen-5/

>>1036136

I did read that, and I was rather surprised that they would think of rebuilding the line considering the numbers

Ridership: 49 passengers / km / day
Operating Ratio: 6700 (335 Million Yen in expenses vs 5 Million Yen in revenue)
Restoration Cost: 8.1 Billion Yen (JR East will pay for a third while the local governments will pay the rest)

Even if they rebuild it, there is a good chance it might end up like the Sanko Line where it will be closed in 2018 after it was damaged and rebuilt twice

>>1036148
>JR East will pay for a third while the local governments will pay the rest
I'm surprised the local government wanted to keep the line so badly.

List all the limited expresses trains you have taken in 2016:
rapi:t
Nozomi
Sakura
Kamome
Midori
Asoboy
Mizuho
Nishitetsu Limited Express

>>1036262
Super Ozora
Super Hokuto
Hayabusa
Komachi
Hikari
Narita Exp

>>1036262
Skyliner (duh)
Hitachi
Tokiwa
Azusa
Yamabiko
Komachi
Nozomi
Sakura

>>1036262
Not that many

Hikari
Sakura
Kodama
Nex
Skyliner
Hida
hamakaze

>>1036908

muh civil engineering boner

>>1040269
>would you?

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>>1040269
>>1041197

>>1041274
lewd

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQxUk5BED-w

So has anyone here ever used the Seishun 18 ticket?

so when they launch Nagasaki Shinkansen, it would be done with relay method?

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Naha, Okinawa

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>>1042610
No Idea how that ended up upside down

>>1042610
Welcome to Cloud City.

>>1042601
If they can't get the FGT to work, then I'd assume so.

>>1042646
It's already a done decision. Impossible to get it work in time.

>>1017508

Thats damn comfy. Time to visit Japan.

>>1042922
>tfw want to go be a train otaku in japan
>tfw europoor and can't afford to go
why live

http://news.sina.cn/gn/2016-10-21/detail-ifxwztrt0086315.d.html?from=wap China is making 400km/h FGT... will they make it before Japan?

>>1012726
Diesel fuel?

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>>1013158
You can now

>>1042990
A load of crap in hot air. Speed and gauge change are independent. You need the track to handle speed, gauge change to work and GCT to handle speed. 400km/h conventional HSR is the most impractical. Free gauge HSR is impractical now. I won't bother commenting on the maglev portion.
Also not everyone understands Chinese.

>>1043026
Nah, they are already making 400km/h conventional HSR. This is specifically about FGT.

>>1043220
Sauce?
You can't specify that discussion on two distinct gauge changes in this context. 1067mm and 1520mm are different animals.

>>1043026
>400km/h conventional HSR is impractical
except it isn't impractical

400km/h is easily achievable

>>1042964
Europe is full of trains, travel around Europe by rail, it doesn't costs so much

>>1043292
http://defence.pk/threads/chinese-firm-launches-r-d-on-600-km-h-maglev-train.457317/
It claim it can alternate between 600-1676mm gauge...

>>1043305
Impractical ≠ achievable. Once you go above 300 km/h, wear on parts and energy use becomes a significant problem, partly due to increased strains and also because the train has started compressing the air in front of it to a noticeable amount. It's why even the Chinese moved down from 350 km/h besides fears after the Wenzhou crash (which happened at 100 km/h).

>>1043361
The only parts that will wear quickly on a train at that speed are the wheels and pantograph, both of which are easy to counteract; the wheels with better bearing technology (which already exists), and the pantograph with better materials.

Power draw is not an issue.

Other than that there is nothing that needs to be reworked to operate at 400 km/h.

>>1043332
I will believe it when I see it.
What's your problem? Is it 400km/h at 1435mm or above? You either don't know about rail tech or the PRC?

>>1043375
1. Cost cost cost. Efficiency efficiency efficiency. Effectiveness effectiveness effectiveness. Benefit benefit benefit .
2. Can comfirm you don't know about track wear and high speed operation.
3.
>nothing that needs to be reworked
Track geometry please.

There's a reason why current HSR is limited to 350km/h.

>>1043361
Later he will suggest 500km/h.

>>1008055
That train looks like a vagina
1/10 train aethstetics

>>1043500
when did i said i have problem with it..?

>>1043361
There are political motivation behind the speed reduction in China and they will re-up some lines to 350km/h this April

http://www.saga-s.co.jp/column/sinkansen/21001/387371
back to Japan... seems like they can't figure out what the problem is?

>>1043538
>>/cm/

http://dd.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/economy/economy/1-0360328.html (partial paywall)

I'd have thought it would cost more to upgrade the infrastructure than vehicles. Is it even possible to save these lines with the local municipalities owning and paying for infrastructure maintenance?

JR Hokkaodo would run out of money by 2020.... should have just turn it to third sector?

Is Japanese railroading as comfy today as it was 30 years ago?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT5AJ9g0RGA

>>1044791
>that track
not comfy

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JR Shikoku has just announced that they finished the pre-production units of the new 2600 Series DMU, which will be replacing the aging 2000 Series DMU. 2 2-car sets will be delivered to the Takamatsu Rolling Stock Center on February 15th and undergo testing before entering service and mass production. The PDF states that the maximum speed will be 120 km/h, but it is uncertain if it is capable of tilting just like its predecessors.

http://www.jr-shikoku.co.jp/03_news/press/2017%2001%2030%2002.pdf

>>1043778

>snip

Nope

>>1045177
>incapabe of tilting
That's not a good thing, considering the track it runs on isn't banked.

>>1045177
Somehow has a very classic british unit look.

>>1045220

I only raised that point since the PDF only mentioned its top speed (it mostly talked about the design and interior), but given how the 2000 Series DMU, 8000, and 8600 Series EMU all have tilting capabilities it'd be stupid of them not to include it

>>1045177
Oh, to add, is it diesel-electric or patrician diesel-hydraulic?

http://kishatabi.jpn.org/log/eid8237.html

Thoughts? I don't really agree on keeping the Kushiro-Nemuro section of the Nemuro line. The Senmo line is probably going to get the axe, but I hope they keep the section from Abashiri to Shiretoko-Shari since it's comfy.

A NHK World documentary on Shinji Sogo, the father of Shinkansen and the history of post-war Japan railways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOfikkQJn84

>>1036262
Nankai railway: Southern Premium (premium = their cozy 12000 series trains)
Nankai railway: Rapi:t
Keisei railway: Skyline
JR East: NEX, Odoriko
JR Central: Nozomi, Kodama
JR West: Kuroshio, Haruka, Thunderbird, Hashidate
Kintetsu: Shimakaze
Hankyu: Kyo-Train
Keihan: Rakuraku

I live in Japan and grew up here, and IMO if you want to experience Japanese trains, please dont stick to all the JR lines. Other private railways are more varied and interesting.

>>1042206
Use it at least once a year. It's glorious and lovely to sometimes take it slow and use local lines instead of the express lines that cut you off from local communities.

I've used it several times mainly to go from the Kansai area to Tokyo. It's great to be able to get off at any station for any amount of time and explore.

>>1048011
The shit is this?

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So I went and saw the maglev today.

>>1047448
A great man.

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>>1048593
Wow, that was fast, considering how long it is.

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Saitama railway museum

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Late night at Kita Ikebukuro

>>1008210
Japanese rail systems are so comfy.

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The 6-door train cars are disappearing from Tokyo's train lines.

RIP in pepperoni 6-door cars.

They're being removed because of the installation of platform edge doors in the run up to the 2020 Olympics, which requires standardized door positioning (only 2-3 cars per organization were 6 door cars); hence the 6-door cars are being scrapped and replaced by 4-door cars.

205 series trains on the Saikyo Line and Hamasen had 6-door cars but they were scrapped when the new E233s were rolled out. The Yamanote Line already got rid of their 6-door E231-500 series cars. None of these lines' respective vehicles (E233-7000 series, E233-6000 series, E235 series) have 6-door cars. The Chuo-Sobu Line recently scrapped all their 6-door E231-0 series cars.

Meanwhile on Dento, 6-door cars (Tokyu 5000 series) are already being scrapped. The first stations will have retrofitting of platform edge doors completed by the end of this year, and all stations will have them installed by 2018, according to Tokyu's official website: http://ii.tokyu.co.jp/homedoor/

What I liked about 6-door cars is that the seats could be folded up to make them all-standing cars. Really cut down on the manin densha and oshiya.

I wonder if the removal is going to cut down on train capacity by a substantial amount. Perhaps it will be counteracted by the construction of additional subway lines on Tokyo's waterfront, to take some of the load off the Tozai subway line.

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>>1049018

>The Chuo-Sobu Line recently scrapped all their 6-door E231-0 series cars.

We know that JR East will move the E231-500 EMUs from the Yamanote Line to Chuo-Sobu Line once more E235 EMUs are built with mass production of E235 sets will begin this Spring (2 E231-500 sets were re-colored and moved already). But do we know what will actually happen to the current fleet of E231-0 sets?

>Perhaps it will be counteracted by the construction of additional subway lines on Tokyo's waterfront, to take some of the load off the Tozai subway line.

Are they actually going to do it or is it just one of the many proposed things that never come to be?

With the recent opening of the Hokaido and Hokuriku Shinkansen services and the changes in the 2017 schedule of scrapping the rapid service between Niigata and Itoigawa, it marks the end of regular services provided by the 485 Series EMU. The Niigata Branch will host Last Run Events for its last two R-Sets in March

http://www.jrniigata.co.jp/Scripts/press/20170213485lastrun.pdf

[lolnospoiler] The other 28 485-3000 A-Set cars used in the Tohoku area is now sitting in the Morioka Branch after the Hakucho service ended last year, they will probably be scrapped too due to age and asbestos [/lolnospoiler]

>>1049094
>>1049094

>We know that JR East will move the E231-500 EMUs from the Yamanote Line to Chuo-Sobu Line once more E235 EMUs are built with mass production of E235 sets will begin this Spring (2 E231-500 sets were re-colored and moved already). But do we know what will actually happen to the current fleet of E231-0 sets?

JR East hasn't decided what they're going to do with the E231-0s yet.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/JR%E6%9D%B1%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%ACE231%E7%B3%BB%E9%9B%BB%E8%BB%8A#.E4.B8.AD.E5.A4.AE.E3.83.BB.E7.B7.8F.E6.AD.A6.E7.B7.A9.E8.A1.8C.E7.B7.9A.E3.81.B8.E3.81.AE.E6.8A.95.E5.85.A5

>Are they actually going to do it or is it just one of the many proposed things that never come to be?

No, TMG and MLIT have signed off on the plan. The preliminary plan is for one line between Ginza and Ariake on Tokyo waterfront (where a lot of 2020 venues will be), and another line connecting Shinagawa with Roppongi and Shibuya. Besides this, they're considering Ginza They won't by ready until well after the Olympics, though. Latios might know more about this.
The Ginza-Ariake line has made the most progress, it even has it's own Japanese Wikipedia article:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%83%BD%E5%BF%83%E9%83%A8%E3%83%BB%E8%87%A8%E6%B5%B7%E5%9C%B0%E5%9F%9F%E5%9C%B0%E4%B8%8B%E9%89%84%E6%A7%8B%E6%83%B3

>485 Series EMU

The 485 series is a jabroni. My heart will always be with the E259 and E353. Also, why hasn't Nagano gotten any E129s? Niigata got them. But Kofu/Nagano is stuck with 30-year-old 211s, which look anachronistic next to the new E353s used on Super Azusa services, like 103/201/223-0s running alongisde 323s on the Osaka Loop Line.

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Wish I was emperor

>>1049113

>Calling the 485 series a jabroni

Come back when your precious E259 and E353 EMUs can tranverse any JR lines that are electrified ... oh wait they can't since they are DC only.

>Also, why hasn't Nagano gotten any E129s? Niigata got them

I believe Niigata got them first since their branch's 115 Series EMU are at least 40 years old and they transferred 10 of their 12 E127 EMU sets to Echigo Tokimeki Railway when the Hokuriku Shinkansen extension to Kanazawa was completed in 2015, so they probably decided to build a lot of E129s to replace them in one go.

>But Kofu/Nagano is stuck with 30-year-old 211s, which look anachronistic next to the new E353s used on Super Azusa services

Probably when the E353 is formally mass produced since it is still undergoing testing, but at least it beats using the ancient 115 Series EMUs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ , [lolnospoiler] oddly enough I found it more comfy when I rode one from Koyama to Ashikaga compared to the E231/233 leg I took between Koyama and Tokyo [/lolnospoiler]

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Politicians chattering over the fiscal state of the JRs

Bloody hell JR East and Central make shitloads (JR East's 2016 profits were somewhat lower due to infrastructure spending?)

>>1049628
I want that tablecloth

For maybe the one guy in this thread that cared about overnight trains, JR East's Akita Branch will formally retire the last 583 Series Multi-Use EMU set in April this year

https://www.jreast.co.jp/akita/press/pdf/20170217-2.pdf

>>1049628

>Implying that should be surprising at all that JR East and JR Central make fists loads of money due to their own cash cows

>>1048592
>>1048593
noice.

On a scale of 1~black hole, how loud was it?

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>>1049113
I've been completely oblivious to the recent developments and the wikipedia article is just redpilling me on it. I can see how the links fit in but unless they get chopping, it's just going to be more of a useful pork project than relief due to the time constraint. They'll manage one way or another anyway

As a gaijin, I'd be more worried about the brutal 2020 summer than a full train because you can just amble through while still half asleep
Especially if the 47°C day in Sydney is a sign of things to come (I know it almost never goes above 40 in Japan but at least our humidity is tame!)

Also, seems Chuo Shinkansen works seem to have started at Shinagawa?

>>1049628
How the hell does one make a loss with a non-infrastructure railway company like JR Freight?

Is there any sort of system that forces JR Toukai, JR East and JR West to even out the losses of the other JRs?

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>>1049744
JR freight has to pay to use the tracks and I wouldn't be too surprised if some runs have the freight costs more to run than what they get paid
And while Hokkaido ironically seems to have a decent proportion of freight to passenger due to the lack of demand for which JR Hokkaido is probably grateful they can scoop some sweet 円, JR Freight's insurance costs are probably through the roof due to the shit track and derailments lol

Unfortunately, because they're a private company, they're allowed to be relatively opaque about their books

As for the JR matter, ask Nakasone about it lol. They're also beholden to shareholders as a public company and profits do have to come first. But who knows, maybe JR East may find it in their hearts to pay for at least some of JR Hokkaido's life support because it's so horrifying to look at

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Actually, disregard the above, I suck cocks and didn't even bother trying to look it up. JR Freight does keep books. Though amusingly, they haven't updated the English page in 6 years

They have some serious debts (holdover from JNR era debt distribution among the JRs?), but they're declining slowly while earnings stay relatively flat. In the long term, it could either ever so slowly transition to a break even or mild profit, or it could be a super slow death spiral

http://www.jrfreight.co.jp/common/pdf/kessan/h27_kessan.pdf

Addendum

http://www.japaneserailwaysociety.com/jrs/freight/jpfrght3.htm

JR Shikoku just took delivery of the 2600 Series DMU, it will undergo testing and enter service this Fall. [lolnospoiler] For the anon that asked, yes it does tilt and its tilting mechanism is the same as the 8600 Series EMU [/lolnospoiler]

http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2017/02/17/281/

>>1049684
Yes work is on on most if not all stations.

>>1049018
I don't understand how that has to do with the Tozai line. Musashino-Keiyo line is direct to Tokyo already. You are looking at deep Keiyo line extension in Tokyo,
>>1049094
More possible than ever, just I believe after Haneda Access and Keiyo-Rinkai line reshuffle.
東京圏における今後の都市鉄道のあり方について has all the info.
>>1049113
Ginza-Ariake BRT is doing fine now as planned for 2020. The Downtown-Waterfront (Ginza-Ariake) line has to be built in conjunction with the TX extension (Akihabara-New Tokyo through service to Downtown-Waterfront line) and the Downtown direct access line (Keisei-Keikyu) bypassing Asakusa line in parallel at New Tokyo station, deep under grounds next to the Marunouchi side of the existing Tokyo station. There you will have a solid network.
What Shinagawa-Roppongi-Shibuya plan are you talking about?

The following news was brought up in some Japanese websites, but it is now official. The JR Group of companies will sell the Japan Rail Pass inside Japan on a trial basis between April this year and March next year in select major stations (whereas it was only available for purchase outside of Japan except the time during the 2002 World Cup). The only catch is that it is more expensive if you buy it in Japan

http://www.japanrailpass.net/file/trial_basis_en.pdf

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> 1049529
> Come back when your precious E259 and E353 EMUs can tranverse any JR lines that are electrified ... oh wait they can't since they are DC only.

Oh, yeah? Well [censored] E657 series [censored] yo' mama!

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>>1050914

>E657

That still can't travel the west side of the country either since it is only 20kV AC / 50Hz, which is incompatible with Western Japan's 60Hz grids. And speaking of Hz, it is also interesting to know that after JNR's privatization there are only three dual voltage EMUs that are 50/60Hz compatible (E653, E655, and the E001 for TRAIN SUITE Shiki-shima, all JR East) whereas all other Post-JNR dual voltage EMUs are only compatible with either 50Hz (JR East) or 60Hz (West JR)

50/60Hz electrification is a mistake (even more so than Narrow Gauge)

>>1050917
I don't see why modern power electronics should have a problem, only slightly increased transformer losses at 60hz seems to be the only real issue.

>>1050955
Electronics shouldn't be complaining since it should all be rectified after the transformer anyway
50 Hz transformer won't complain running on 60 Hz, but 60 Hz transformer generally doesn't like 50 Hz supply
So you'll need to do a little swapping out on the trains with 60 Hz cores to run across (or just build all the newer trains with 50 Hz cores and done)

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West Japan Railway has finally removed the black wrapping and revealed the 87 Series Hybrid Multiple Unit used for the upcoming Twilight Express MIZUKAZE in its green glory to the press, every car except Car 7 (known as "The Suite" as it occupies the entire car) was open for the press launch. Service begins June 17th this year.

http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2017/02/23/452/

>>1051145
It looks awful

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>>1051145
Still salivating, especially with that balcony. But it feels a little cold compared to JR East and Kyushu offerings

>>1049815
>What Shinagawa-Roppongi-Shibuya plan are you talking about?
都心部・品川地下鉄構想の新設, the subway line proposal between Shinagawa and Shirokane-Takanawa. Not precisely to Shibuya but such a subway line to Shirokane will make accessing Roppongi, Shibuya and Shinagawa a lot easier.

Is there an ETA for when work will start on these lines? I imagine that the tunnel depth required and the pre-existing debt hangover from building the Oedo Line will delay work until the 2040s at least.

>>1052314
Figures, just to be sure. No schedule. Imaginably it won't be high on the list with so many projects in front competing. I'm uninformed in their financing and progression so would like to know more to.
Maybe further plans for future connections southwards to say, Oimachi or Rinkai Line would be more incentivizing.

weren't the entire plan targeting 2030?

JR East's Nagano Shinkansen Center announced that it will retire the last (aka 2) of its E2 Shinkansen sets by the end of March, which means it will have only E7 sets

http://www.shinmai.co.jp/news/nagano/20170216/KT170214FTI090001000.php

https://twitter.com/kintetsu5820/status/836717407636901888
Hokkaido newspaper sampling local residents' view on JR.
For the 44 towns that are seeing the service cut, 30% residents said they use JR a few times a year, 38% said they use it once every few years, and 25% say never, which mean 93% residence in those towns barely use JR in their daily life

>>1053890
And yet the locals generally seem to be opposed to the closure of lines. I don't get it.

youtu.be/rhr3DHMbOr0 info on night shinkansen

>>1054353
You gonna hang onto something.
Convincing locals bus is better than trains is an effort.

>>1055051
Thanks for posting that.

It never occurred to me that Hyogo had an abnormally high number of Shinkansen stops.
Makes sense, though.

http://tass.ru/ekonomika/4057667
Update on Russia-Sakhalin-Japan link.
Seems like the technology is not a problem and they are doing financial feasibility study.
But Russian regulations seems to consider the region have seismically active and thus banned tunnel construction.
And they do consider it as a project of 2020s..
The investment would be something like a trillion RUB which mean 2 trillion yen...

>>1056182
Actually, would this connection also speed up transportation between Japan and China?

>>1056182
Soya honsen is gonna get closed anyways.

>>1056182

Lol, if the Joban Line can go through Minamisoma City and survive 3.11, I don't think a Sakhalin tunnel will buckle under whatever child's play earthquakes Russia can throw a it.

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Anyone recognize this metro map? I noticed this while viewing one of those train molestation javs.

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>>1056625

>>1056625
Chiba part of JR East's route map

>>1056625
link that molestation jav

>>1056625
>>1056626
/n/ watches JAV.

Bad news everyone, NTT East Japan will officially cease its "Fukushima no Mado kara" series of webcams in train stations on March 31st 17:00 JST

https://www.ntt-east.co.jp/fukushima/mado/

>>1056662
Thanks!
>>1056736
It was on my hotel tv don't think I can find it again.

>>1056781
By the way: Does anyone have the direct stream link to Aizu Wakamatsu's webcam?
I had it a few years ago, but managed to lose it.

I don't want to install MS' Flash-like in order to grab it.

>>1057084
check op of the thread in /jp/ that is named after the station

>>1057095
Thank you.

47rail.jp
Map of rail of all Japanese prefecture.

>>1051145

That other yellow/green cruise/hotel train had engine trouble on a daylight test run recently.

>>1057818
Yeah stopped the line dead. Better now then in operations.

Aside from JR Hokkaido, West Japan Railway also have quite a few lines that have extremely low riderships. Asahi News apparently had an interview with West JR's President and he discussed about it along with potential "solutions"

http://tabiris.com/archives/jr-nishinihon/

>>1057818
>>1057835

It appears there were engine problems for JR East's E001 Series and basically held up the Nikko Line for 4+ hours

http://www.sankei.com/affairs/news/170321/afr1703210002-n1.html

News of E4 series Shinlansen retirement (again) after 2018.
http://mainichi.jp/articles/20170325/k00/00e/040/253000c
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/25/national/double-decker-shinkansen-trains-phased/

>>1058382
WHY

>>1058541

Because speed and ridership. They need the whole fleet running faster for the timetable. Ridership is because the E4 was built when shinkansen commuting was a thing from the far reaches of the kanto plain, but due to real wages not going up since E4 was introduced and most companies no longer covering shinkansen commute fees, and the advantage of living farther away for reduced home prices and taxes being eroded, having a high capacity train was no longer needed (though it make vacation travel even worse as there is no buffer of capacity).

JR never thinks that clearly though.

>>1058541
The oldest train sets are approaching 20 years of use though. That's when JR East likes to upgrade to new rolling stock.

>>1058624

I'm pretty sure they can just keep the P81 and P82 sets (50/60Hz compatible and relatively newer than all other sets) in case something happens

>tfw Double Decker Shinkansens will be gone in your lifetime

>>1056182
I don't know much about soil engineering (or civil engineering in general), but I'm sure tunnel is less affected by earthquake

JR Hokkaido posted ridership figures for the Hokkaido Shinkansen for the 2016 fiscal year *insert my standard doubt of whether ridership will eventually recede just like the Seikan Tunnel here*

http://www.jrhokkaido.co.jp/press/2017/170327-1.pdf

>>1059020
How can they tell previous year numbers, while the section to Shin-Hakodate has only been in operation since last April?
Is that compared to the Ltd. Express trains from that year?

>>1059669

Yes, the following sections were used for the ridership figure comparison

Express Trains: Between Naga-Okuni and Kikonai (the second slightly smaller figure excludes Hamanasu)
Shinkansen: Shin-Aomori and Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto

Naga-Okuni and Shin-Aomori are each line's respective boundary station between JR Hokkaido and JR East

>>1056781
noooooo