which bike company gives the best spec for cost? I'm gonna

Jamis
Kona

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>>1007007
> 1600 usd for 10 speed 105

>>1007008

This T b h

giant.

Rose

Fuji and raleigh

>>1007003
>>1007008
Kona arguably is the best bike company today

Not a bike specific company, but decathlon bikes are extremely good for the price since they build their own bikes and don't have to rely on third parties to sell them. Their bikes cost like 20%-25% less than other similar bikes from known brands. On road bikes you can get a nice alu bike for 900 euro with full 105 while other companies would sell it for 1100-1200, or even an ultegra for one1400.Yo can buy even garbon with athena 11s for 1600 euro. With mountain bikes you can get a bike without suntour for 600 euro.

Commencal or Canyon probably.

Fuji.

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When are you kiddies going to admit that Bikes Direct "Motobecane" bikes are the greatest deal in cycling

Ultegra brifters + derailleurs - $1199.95

>>1007130
That looks nice, but that handlebars are disgusting as fuck.

>>1007130

"Great deal" implies that you're buying something worth owning.

Bikesdirect is a great way to save *some* money and waste *all* of it.

1. Pinnacle
2. Canyon
3. PlanetX
4. Kona
5. Fuji


>>1007130

Motobecane is strange. They mix top equipment (their titanium frames) with crap (the biomax road bars they put everywhere). I admit it's still a bargain but you have to buy components from elsewhere to rebuild a fully balanced bike. Also they don't ship internationally (though to be fair i rank Canyon which only ships to a limited selection of countries).

>>1007130
the motobecane logo reminds me too much of toblerone for me to ever take it seriously

>>1007130
>ultegra
>garbo FSA cranks

>>1007003
I own a cannondale mtb and specialized road bike. Both had lower spec for the price than other brands. But engineering is about adding value and creating something better than the sum of its parts. Manufacturers saving money on the frame and finishing kit to go a group set tier up for the price is fred as fuck.

>>1007130
105 STIs and derailers are functionally the same as Ultegra, just less garbon.

>>1007003

...we going purely by what's on paper? Bikesdirect, or some Chinese thing.

>>1007232
>implying ultegra has garbon
>implying shitmano has figured out how to do garbon anything

Probably Giant, considering that they manufacture everyone else's bikes.

>>1007181

Heyyyyyyyyyyy you hurt my feeelingssss I have FSA Pro crabbon cranks :>(

>>1007148
This, all of this

>>1007148
Okay i've checked and it seems Canyon has significantly jacked up their prices this year. They should be lower on the ranking.

>>1007559

Canyon has so much hype and outside investment, I predict they totally tank in the next 5 years

With that much money behind them the expectation is increased profits every single year, which eventually leads to lower and lower quality

>>1007560
Either lower quality, jacked up prices, or both. Only one of the three options keeps the company up for longer than few years.

>>1007560
Well their success made them unable to build bikes ordered by customers in a timely manner. They had two options. Either invest into a new factory to increase production or jack up price to reduce demand. They did create a new factory but it apparently didn't go smoothly and the new factory doesn't keep up with expected production so they went with the second option in August and jacked up prices on 2017 models. Sometimes price increases are hidden by a few better components but it doesn't add up.

>>1007008
>>1007086
>>1007148
Konas are notoriously expensive for what they are, among (semi)mainstream manufacturers I think only Salsa overcharges more. Their framesets cost as much as a complete bike from a smaller manufacturer.

Fuji

>>1007647
Kona is actually quite well priced in some markets. So depends where you live. I agree their pricing in the UK for example is quite high.

>>1007003
>which bike company gives the best spec for cost?
can we agree the answer is not Specialized?
Specialized "upcharge" for going from 105 to Ultegra is sometimes what other companies charge for their entire bike.

Cannondale seems to make entry-mid range bikes a bit more reasonable priced than others. 105's and Viagra groupsets especially

>>1007003
Cube,canyon,Focus(hmmm all german)

>>1007676
>Viagra

Dolan and Planet X for track bikes desu

>>1007149
Oh shit. Now I can't unsee it.

>>1007688
it's the funniest joke i've managed to come up with all week long

>>1007703

Dolan pls.

>>1007007
Hell yeah. Karate monkey master race

>>1007003


This is not even an argument, and take this from someone that has owned from both of these companies in the past but now owns a trek because the simply make some of the sweetest looking hardware known to man. But both Cannondale and Giant offer the most bang for your back. Cannondale if you prefer that old school design without the gimmicks, and giant if you want a more aero/futuristic design on dat frame.

>>1007003
I dont think it matters really. There's a lot more to a bike than specs.

I mean you can put 105 on a pile of garbage, and you still have garbage

People just overlook frame quality because there's nothing quantifiable about it. You can say sure tiagra is better than sora, or that one bike has 8 speeds vs 11, but really frame quality doesnt have that. Sure there's weight but you can have a shitty light bike still.

And ultimately the frame is the most important part of the bike. you can upgrade components all you want, but you can never upgrade a frame. that's just called getting a new bike

Merida.

So good Specialised won't let them sell in America.

>>1007817
>And ultimately the frame is the most important part of the bike
No it isn't unless you have a really shitty frame with awful geometry. Frame only starts to matters when you are comparing same generation 105 to Ultegra/DA, although I suppose that threshold drops down to newest hidden cable Sora/Tiagra if you really don't need those extra gears. If frames were that important no one would buy steel or aluminum.

>>1007900
>implying excellent frames cant be made of steel or aluminium
There's more to it than material and geometry, senpai.

>>1007008
>>1007031
>>1007086
>>1007148
>>1007647
>>1007653
Kona undoubtedly is the best.

They have lower priced bikes and higher priced bikes, everything is tiered but no matter what, you get a well engineered bike built with great quality and quality control. Their frames are made to last and everything is engineered so well. Components are up to par and put together with a vision in mind for the specific model and the rider it'll attract.

If you buy a Kona, it's like Hakuna Matata, it means no worries. Or should I say, HaKONA Matata.

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>>1007915

>>1007817
>And ultimately the frame is the most important part of the bike. you can upgrade components all you want, but you can never upgrade a frame.

You can always move your components to a new frame.

Besides, given the breakneck speed of the evolution of "standards" (12mm/15mm thru-axles ; tapered forks ; various pressfit models ; etc...) your frame will likely be incompatible with potential upgrades in a few years. All frames are disposable now. Yes, even the $2000 titanium frame you just bought.

>>1007949
>2000 titanium frame you just bought.
Do people actually do this? People who aren't even professional?

>>1007949

luckily pf is going out of style, and although i'm in favor of thru, i can't see qr leaving any time soon.

Helkama

>>1007960
Titanium frames aren't for professionals. It's for affluent folks who like the comfort and durability of steel yet don't want to compromise on weight and corrosion resistance.

>>1007960
No professional has bought a titanium frame for decades, if ever. Roadiepros want light, stiff bikes, and titanium is as stiff per unit of weight as steel is.

>>1007970
Mediocre bikes sold completely on the image the brand still has. Jopo is the only exception.

>>1007900
a great aluminum frame is easily better than a shit carbon frame

>>1007003
rose bikes, and propain, as they are completely built to order.
no off the shelf build kits.

>>1007898
>specialised

>>1007900
>And ultimately the frame is the most important part of the bike
No it isn't unless you have a really shitty frame with awful geometry.

This has to be a trollpost. The frame design - geo, material choice, where the designer decided to stiffen it up and where they decided to add some flex - affects the ride quality of the bike more than any other single component.

>If frames were that important no one would buy steel or aluminum.
You've never ridden a nice steel or aluminum bike huh. BUT CARBON MUH GRAMS

>>1007949
>Besides, given the breakneck speed of the evolution of "standards" (12mm/15mm thru-axles ; tapered forks ; various pressfit models ; etc...) your frame will likely be incompatible with potential upgrades in a few years. All frames are disposable now.

... I mean, only if you're obsessed with chasing the latest and greatest trends/memes/whatever.

Did you know that you can still buy NEW 1" threaded headsets and cantilever brakes? I'm still riding some frames that are over 30 years old.

Tfw in Brazil, the best bang for your buck is either Specialized or Soul.

Ghost
Kona

>>1007960
>>2000 titanium frame you just bought.
>Do people actually do this? People who aren't even professional?
I bought a titanium CX from bikesdirect, it's lovely.

Cost a lot less than 2k too.

>>1008572

You heard me, cunt.

Trek 2 b h, at least for the MTB I own, that spec on a Specialized would be at least $1.5k more