Why are musicians such fags? "Look I'm wearing a glove!

>>74954134
You better not pick on my boy Layne.

bait thread

If theres one person who can make pink hair badass it was LAyne.

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>>74954151
Also motherfucking hide.

>>74954134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9GAEFTeWko

godlike

>>74954134
what do you mean by this?

>>74954134
wearing gloves to hide his rotten fingers is perfectly acceptable.

>>74954134

Heroin

>>74954134
Commercial music is targeted at demographics through aesthetics. That's all there is to it. Also, acts that have core themes and concepts often have a theatrical element to their performance. Then you have metal bands who all dress in metal uniforms.
The best bands generally just wear whatever they want.

>>74955596
Yes but some bands try to have an "anti-image" image and they dress borderline fucking impoverished under the pretense that they dress like "normal people" when that totally isn't what normal people dress like

dude heroin lmao
grunge was fucking retarded and everyone who bought into the idea of "anti-rockstars" when they were just regular morons who made their labels and managers rich

>>74955431
I can't even imagine what he must have looked like in his last days

>>74954134
>creative people don't submit to anons ideas
OH NO! DEM FAGS!

>>74954134
imagine working full-time as a musician and not dressing like an idiot

>>74956603
Sure if you only look at it's marketing. Bands like Alice in Chains and Soundgarden had songs written infinitely better than most of the 80s hair metal

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>>74956751
This was taken about 4 years before he died. He looks absolutely terrible here, and he lived a 4 years beyond this. Apparently his mom took a photo of him a few months before he died, but it hasn't been released.

>>74958197
I dunno he doesn't look that bad in that pic. I'm sure if he opened his mouth or took off his gloves he would, though.

>>74958250
I remember the first time I noticed his teeth during Unplugged.
Christ alive.

>>74958197
>metal gear solid t shirt
I read he played a lot of vidya before and during his reclusive years

>>74954134
Name a girl who wouldn't do a 'faggot-looking' musician tho

>>74958197
>the retarded friends

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>>74958493
I had that picture saved years ago and never noticed

>>74954134
But musicians ARE artists....?

>>74958197
>>74958250
>>74958321
>On the rare occasions that he ventured out of his home, where he gorged on videogames whenever he wasn’t gorging on drugs, Staley cut a hard figure: Abscesses covered his arms, and he’d lost most of his teeth. “He looked like an 80-year-old version of himself,” Seattle music journalist Jeff Gilbert told Prato. “His skin was grey, dark circles under his eyes. He had already lost a finger or two from his veins collapsing and not getting enough circulation to his hands …
Not sure if legit, but wew.

>>74959473
It's probably at least relative accurate. Most people aren't very aware, but Layne wasn't a total shut in during his last years. He lived above a bar, and at least once a week would hang out there for a few hours at a time. He was in such a bad state that no one ever recognized him.

Think about that: Layne Staley wasn't recognizable to people in a Seattle bar, some of which probably had an idea he lived nearby. That says a lot about how bad he was.

>>74959473
slow motion suicide

>>74959542
I wonder what state of mind you have to be in to not even give a fuck about seeing your body decay like that and do nothing about it in spite of being a millionaire.

there is nothing noteworthy about a glove and pink hair, i dont know why OP is bringing it up

>>74959588
>On April 19, 2002, Staley's accountants contacted Staley's former manager, Susan Silver, and informed her that no money had been withdrawn from the singer's bank account in two weeks. Silver then contacted Staley's mother, Nancy McCallum, who alerted the police.[61] The police, McCallum and her ex-husband, Jim Elmer,[3] went to Staley's home, where Staley was found dead.

>It was reported that the 6-foot (1.8 m) Staley weighed only 86 pounds (39 kg) when his body was discovered.

gosh

>>74959611
He died on April 5 though, how much weight loss can be attributed to decomposition (and possibly predation by rats and cockroaches)?

>>74958600
w2c without buying the premium package??

>>74959648
Not enough to be significant, especially in such a short amount of time.

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I've mentioned this on countless places on the internet, but AIC was the band that helped me through one of the toughest parts in my life; middle and high school. As an unpopular kid who was constantly dealing with the side effects of medication for ADD (such as mood swings, depression, and thoughts of suicide), Alice in Chains helped me through it all. Though my tastes in music continuously evolve, Alice will always right there at the top. Even though Layne's last years were probably filled with suffering and regret, he had and still is helping so many people with the music he helped create.

>>74960863
Their music only really sounds good to me when I feel like shit.

>>74961259
Perks of always feeling like shit.

>>74961280
For me it's only 50% of the time, since I sleep another 30% I'd rather listen to something else 20% of the time.

>>74959588

You dont care if youre an addict.

>>74961589
I'd imagine there would be some conflict between the addiction and the self-preservation instinct.

>>74960863
>Alice will always right there at the top.
Even the dog shit that the other band members have shat out since Layne's death with their half assed Layne imitator?

@74961895
Mediocre bait

>>74961627
You don't experience the self-preservation instinct, because you're on drugs.

>>74961936
Kill yourself, newfag

>>74961895
But their new albums are really good, plus Cantrell is the new lead singer anyway, not DuVall.

>>74961961
>newfag calling others newfag
lurk more, buddy

"Devo are no more costumed onstage than Bruce Springsteen."

-- Gerald Casale

>>74961969
>But their new albums are really good
No, it isn't.

>>74961992
>calling someone a newfag for calling out a newfag for not knowing how to link posts
lurk more, newfag

>>74962085
>>not knowing how to link posts
>doesn't know what that Anon was doing
you are the newfag. Lurk more.

>>74962085
>No, it isn't.
Yes they are.

>>74962127
No, they aren't.

>>74962163
They're definitely good.

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>>74955596
>The best bands generally just wear whatever they want

Take for example Sonic Youth in this mid-80s photo. No giant rock star hair, leather, studs, Day-Glo, spandex, crotch stuffing, or any of the usual 80s bullshit. They look like auto mechanics. You couldn't really tell what year the pic was taken either, while if you looked at a picture of, like, KISS, you'd know oh that's 1984-85 totes.

>>74962176
They're definitely garbage.

>>74962212
It always bugged me when rock critics like Christgau would talk about how much more "authentic" that alternative bands were for wearing their street clothes onstage instead of dressing like Poison. It's basically saying your image and clothing is more important than the music.

>>74962323
No good band worth listening to has ever dressed like Poison though.

Well, Eminem said the thing that drew him into hip-hop (keeping in mind that he was an 80s kid) was that anyone could rap without ridiculous costumes, thousands of dollars worth of hair spray, and thousands of dollars worth of expensive equipment, and rappers talked about real life instead of sci-fi, Satan, nuclear war, etc.

>>74962465
Shit, he sounds just like a Christgau column.

>>74962465
Hair metal was a mistake.

>>74954162
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>>74962551
Is hair metal responsible for rap being popular nowadays?

>>74962843
I'm sure it had some minute effects in it. If any rock/metal is responsible for more attention being brought to rap it's nu-metal, post-grunge, pop-punk, and brit-pop

>>74962465
Of course he also grew up poor and couldn't afford a guitar like a suburban middle class kid.

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Literally every rock group that wasn't an alternative/punk act wore this same generic "rock star" hairstyle for over 20 fucking years, it only vanished during the grunge era.

>>74963200
>>74962323
Lyl it's pretty ridiculously easy to figure out Christgau's opinion of a band. Look at a photo of the band and see if they had that rock star haircut. If they did, he probably shit on them.

>>74963200
And actually, even Eddie Vedder had rock star hair in the beginning, I think he dropped it after Pearl Jam really got big.

>>74963200
yeah what's with that haircut. like, where did it originate and become a rock band requirement?

>>74963309
Eddie, Kurt, Chris and even Layne all had long ass hair at some point in the '80s

>>74963309
>>74963361
he really just had long hair. It wasn't permed and styled like all these 80s bands were.

>>74961627
You've obviously never been on drugs. Stay that way, homie. I'm proud of ya

>>74963309
>Eddie Vedder had rock star hair in the beginning
Wait, what? Vedder never sported a hair band-style perm, his hair is just curly. Same with the guys in Metallica, for that matter. I'm not sure why you used them as an example of "rock star hair," unless you just have a problem with rock musicians having long hair.

>>74963341
Like most stuff in music, probably something some guy in a band did in the early 70s and everyone else just copied it until it became ridiculous.

Kind of like the New York Dolls. Dressing in drag was pretty edgy in 1972, but by the late 80s you wished that David Johansen's mom had aborted him.

>>74961895
Well, no. I listened to some of Jerry's solo work and enjoyed it to an extent, but I mean their work with Layne. Haven't given their new stuff a try even though I've heard some good things about Black Gives Way To Blue.

>>74961940
This. And Layne wanted it that way. He stopped caring about living after his ex-fiance died. Pretty much everyone agrees that he spent those years waiting to die.

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>>74963400
Probably Robert Plant, except his hair was naturally like that and it was the early 70s and everyone was a fucking hippie.

>>74963361
Kurt Cobain looked like Tom Petty a lot more than he did, like, Paul Stanley or something.

>>74963200
>it only vanished during the grunge era.

Grunge was generic rock music as well.
I still have no idea how so many people bought into that grunge killed the traditional rockstar, that "grunge bands were all losers and outcasts who looked nothing like rockstars, they were real people man!".
Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder, Chris Cornell, Layne Staley, these guys were the most stereotypical fucking MTV-friendly pretty-boy rockstars ever. There was nothing subversive about any of them whatsoever. They signified nothing except for the death of one trend(puffed up hair and spandex pants) and the arrival of another (flannel shirts and stubble).
You read interviews with Kurt Cobain where he's shitting on Axl Rose because "there's always been an Axl Rose as along as rock music existed" and you can't believe how completely and utterly bereft of self-awareness the guy is.

Even fucking Oasis have more of a claim to having "killed the traditional rockstar", since those guys genuinely were ugly, poor, unfashionable losers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJKpUH2kJQg

>>74963468
He got that from Roger Daltrey.

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>>74963200
Yep.

>>74963468
I have this notion that Led Zeppelin is to hard/glam rock as Pearl Jam is to post-grunge buttrock. They pioneered the idea of a hard rock band that has a blonde faggy looking dude who sings cheesy songs about love while the guitarist plays distorted riffs and wanky solos.

>>74963517
>You read interviews with Kurt Cobain where he's shitting on Axl Rose because "there's always been an Axl Rose as along as rock music existed" and you can't believe how completely and utterly bereft of self-awareness the guy is.
Fake feud invented by Geffen, the label both Nirvana and Guns were on.

>>74963468
Pretty much this. It was rebellious back in the 60s for guys to have long hair. On top of maybe cutting their hair didn't fit their schedule or they didn't care enough to cut it. Look at Jim Morrison, Robert Plant, etc. It stuck through the 70s. Eventually got in style. Didn't have the rebellious touch to it as much anymore. More people had it so people would start styling it. Look at the big foofy hair of the 80s. It caught on with the metal crowd particularly hence "hair" metal. Grunge deconstructed caring about styling hair.

>>74963583
>I have this notion that Led Zeppelin is to hard/glam rock as Pearl Jam is to post-grunge buttrock
You're not wrong but both those bands are were good. If they weren't they wouldn't have caught on.

>>74963573
And that picture would predate MTV by a couple years, so one can't blame them for originating poofy rock star hair, the shit had been the norm since the early 70s for all metal/arena rock bands.

>>74963674
Pearl Jam is so bleh. Vedder's voice is annoying and their songs are mostly boring momrock.

>>74963517
>There was nothing subversive about any of them whatsoever.
Except for how Pearl Jam stopped making music videos, tried to stop Ticketmaster from monopolizing, and deliberately released weird albums that were intended to alienate people and get them out of the spotlight.

Seriously, for as much as Pearl Jam is remembered a bland, corporate rock band, they were the only one of the big grunge bands that actually tried to be subversive and worked against their fame. Kurt (pretty ironically) really did a PR hit job on them by constantly shitting on them during his MTV interviews.

>>74963627
>Fake feud invented by Geffen, the label both Nirvana and Guns were on.

Nah, the feud was entirely invented by Cobain. Rose openly loved Nirvana and wanted them to tour with GNR, at least initially.
The fact that Cobain felt the urge to shit on them whenever he could despite being on the same label with them just goes to show how delusional he was.

>>74963700
I was a teenager back then and Pearl Jam fans were mostly girls; dudes listened to other bands.

>>74963700
HEY JEWEMY, HOW WAS KWASS TODAY?

>>74963517
>these guys were the most stereotypical fucking MTV-friendly pretty-boy rockstars ever
They were the original "MTV" stars and their success brought in a bunch of cheap imitators. Kind of a flandersization of the MTV star image. if you really look into these individuals they were a lot more textured than what followed suit. They all just happened to be blessed with good genetics that could pull off the unkempt look.

>>74963761
Haha epic :D

>>74963738
>tfw gf's favorite band is Pearl Jam
>Pearl Jam shows I've gone to with her have always had at least 50% more girls than any other rock band's shows
Why do women love Pearl Jam so much?

>>74963717
Cobain actually killed himself rather than become a mainstream commercialized sellout. By 1994, stores in the mall were literally stocking "grunge fashion" with flannel shirts and ripped jeans. When he saw what was happening, he became so despondent that he took his own life.

>>74963826
Their music was softer and not as abrasive as Alice in Chains or Pantera. Duh.

>>74954134
Layne's work with Alice in Chains and Mad Season were impressive and Grunge. He has fantastic harmonies and the body of the music itself provoked so much thought in me. Typically it made me feel like shit or put me in a dark, gloomy mood. But that is what also helps spark my own creativity. Grunge made you feel a certain way and that is what makes it special.

>>74963826
Where? I've been to two Pearl Jam shows and they were both complete sausagefests; everyone there was middle aged, too.

>>74963883
Southern Brazil, oddly enough.

>>74963883
>they were both complete sausagefests everyone there was middle aged
I think you'd find most rock concerts are like that now. It's about what's popular in the mainstream.

>>74963838
Oh no. No no no no no. Don't you fucking pull this excuse.

>he didn't know he was becoming a mainstream sellout when he signed with Geffen, shot music videos, wrote songs with catchy hooks, went on MTV, etc

>>74963838
>Cobain actually killed himself rather than become a mainstream commercialized sellout.

Cobain immediately became a mainstream commercialized sellout who thought nothing of calling up MTV executives and threatening them because he thought MTV didn't play Nirvana videos enough and touring with the Red Hot Chili Peppers(the biggest macho band of the early 90s) while at the same time shitting on Guns 'N' Roses(the biggest macho band of the late 80s).
The first fucking thing Cobain did upon winning his first MTV award was thanking Geffen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU4gZjiVPkI

The guy was a massive loser.

>>74963920
At the same time while he was touring with RHCP, he said in one interview "We need to be on the lookout for false alternative 'macho metal'" The interviewer asked him "You mean like the Chili Peppers?" and he said "Exactly."

>>74962323
>It's basically saying your image and clothing is more important than the music.

Saying a band is "authentic" isn't the same as saying their music is good. Band's that just wore their street clothes didn't feel the need to be theatrical in their presentation, they just let th music speak for itself.

Also, don't let opinions of idiots like Christgau get to you. The guy's a pretentious snob who has pleb-tier taste.

>>74963838
I really hope this is bait. It's hard to tell with how much people buy into the Kurt mythology.

He wanted to be a huge rock star, and he worked hard to get to where he does. He might have complained about it a lot (and there were things about it he probably did hate, like the press calling his wife a junkie), but he never did anything to stop it. Ever. Nirvana kept making music videos, doing interviews, and even doing exclusive MTV televised concerts. Kurt complained because it was good for his image (which he was very good at cultivating), but he carried on like any other rockstar. And somehow he's the one that gets remembered as the attention-hating tortured soul who tried to shirk fame and was martyred for it.

He probably killed himself because he hated being such a hypocrite. And I say that as a person who actually knows a few of Kurt's friends and other people he grew up with. He was always pretty self-loathing, and it must have been pretty hard to work so hard to end up a rockstar, realize it kind of sucks, but also be unwilling to do anything about it.

>>74963971
>The interviewer asked him "You mean like the Chili Peppers?" and he said "Exactly."

And yet he had Flea onstage as a guest performer as far back as 1993.

>>74963907
Yeah, I figured. Pearl Jam has somehow been able to maintain a much trendier image in parts of South American and Europe than in the United States, for whatever reason.

I'm from near Seattle. Here, it seems like Pearl Jam stopped attracting new fans in the mid-90s when they stopped doing the MTV thing. Younger people here are still into Nirvana, but regard Pearl Jam as a lame band for old people, usually while repeating something Kurt said about them.

He probably killed himself because he was in constant physical pain from being a heroin addict and from being married to Courtney Love.

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"If you look at the history of popular music for the past 30 or so years, it's always been the same. Whenever some new, exciting musical movement comes along, the corporate world finds a way to take control of it, market it, and water it down. I'd hoped the alternative movement would be different. I had tremendous respect for Nirvana. Pearl Jam, too. But Bush? What the hell fun is it competing with them!?"

>>74963920
>touring with the Red Hot Chili Peppers(the biggest macho band of the early 90s) while at the same time shitting on Guns 'N' Roses(the biggest macho band of the late 80s).

Isn't there also that story of Cobain being seen snorting coke with Alice In Chains at some music festival despite constantly insulting them as "fake hair metal grunge" in the press?
Cobain is one of the most inauthentic people in rock music history. Every single thing that came out of his mouth was just a way for him to further solidify his public image and promote himself.

>>74964061
Pearl Jam IS a lame band for boring fucking old people. Vedder was literally a surfer grunge wannabe who got luck enough to be around when Wood kicked it.
I will never forgive Matt Cameron for wasting his talents on such a fucking awful band.

>>74963920
>Red Hot Chili Peppers(the biggest macho band of the early 90s)
Its time to put down the crack pipe.

But even before Nirvana happened, MTV and radio stations were conspiring to give AOR/hairspray metal the boot and fill the airwaves with alternative rock and hip-hop. I mean, they were getting pretty bored of AC/DC, Van Halen, Def Leppard, etc and wanted to give the spotlight to something else.

>>74963971
>"We need to be on the lookout for false alternative 'macho metal'" The interviewer asked him "You mean like the Chili Peppers?" and he said "Exactly."
Go get a dictionary and look up the word sarcasm.

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>>74964032

>>74964148
never got this meme

>>74964185
Hair metal was already fucking dead by the time Nevermind and Ten appeared anyway.

>>74964148
Pearl Jam are ok if you never ever ever read or watch any interview with Eddie Vedder.

>>74964121
Kurt was an immature edgy shit who was still going through his "le punk rock" phase when his band started to take off. This is further proven when you look at his fucking diary excerpts from his early 20s through to the end of his life. It reads like an angsty highschool student who just discovered atheism and edgy rock music.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure he saw his band as helping to bring Punk Rock and underground music to the mainstream and saw it as his duty to get rid of anything that was more mainstream sounding than him. That's why he never had anything nice to say about his peers. He would always namedrop bands that had already been around for years in interviews. The Pixies, Scratch Acid, Flipper, Shonen Knife, Sonic Youth etc.. He was more interested in showing everyone what eclectic taste in underground Rock music than actually discovering new bands or helping support his peers.

>>74963971
guy was a master troll and he was very good at it. he probably faked his death and is shitposting in this very thread

>>74964121
>constantly insulting them as "fake hair metal grunge" in the press?
The funniest thing about Kurt doing this to other bands from Seattle is that Nirvana was never really part of the music scene in Seattle. While AIC, the Screaming Trees, Soundgarden, and the guys that ended up in Pearl Jam were playing in Seattle, Nirvana was stuck in Olympia and Tacoma because Kurt refused to work and couldn't afford to live in Seattle. Because of that, Nirvana were always sort of outsiders to the scene, and weren't really taken seriously until after Nevermind came out and became a national sensation.

Seriously, by 1993 all pre-80s bands that weren't Aerosmith got the boot from the radio and MTV, and most got dropped by record labels. Dozens of bands associated with LA fag rock got dropped as well. The bigger ones tried to hold on by lamely jumping on the alternative bandwagon, but the lesser acts like Cinderella and Warrant were just...told by the labels "See ya."

>>74964284
>While AIC, the Screaming Trees, Soundgarden, and the guys that ended up in Pearl Jam were playing in Seattle
You're fucked in the head if you think those bands ONLY played in Seattle, you dumb fuck.
In comparison, any of those bands likely only played a handful of shows in Seattle more than Nirvana.

>>74963920
>Red Hot Chili Peppers(the biggest macho band of the early 90s)

RHCP aren't/weren't macho though. You're just such a fucking virgin that you think a band singing about having sex with some confidence makes them macho.

Lyl Gene Simmons is still massively asshurt at Nirvana 25 years later for killing off his kind of music.

>>74964284
Nirvana, 1988 - 11 Seattle Shows
Soundgarden, 1988 - 6 Seattle Shows
Alice In Chains, 1988 - 1 Seattle Show

>>74964111
By the time Cobain died, already the labels were signing such talented, original bands as Bush, Live, Silverchair, and Candlebox.

>>74954134
How about you fuck off and stop using homophobic slurs.

"We turned down Guns'N'Roses. That would have been a big waste of time. As expected, the alternative movement is attracting bandwagoners. I don't know about Soundgarden, we've hung out with them before and they seem like great guys, but then there's other bands like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains that are obvious corporate puppets. Many of these guys were involved in the hairspray/cockrock scene for years, and now decide to stop washing their hair, don flannel, and fly up to Seattle from Los Angeles to get a record deal and act as if they've lived here their entire lives. It's very insulting to me."

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>>74962323
I like in when bands make an effort to look presentable but without going full retard and wearing uniforms or costumes. Like, if you were going out for dinner or for a drink with some friends, you'd at least wear a nice shirt or some decent jeans or something.

Not sure about the fedora, though.

>>74954134
idk bro why are you such a fag

>>74964121
Hell, it's no different than James Hetfield shitting on Motley Crue every chance he got back in the day but now he admits "Without glam rock, we would never have had a career like we did."

>>74964345
>You're fucked in the head if you think those bands ONLY played in Seattle, you dumb fuck.
I never said that, tough. Everyone was playing regionally, but what everyone knows as "grunge" now was very focused on Seattle, because it's where the most venues were, and it's where Jon Poneman and Bruce Pavitt set up Sub Pop and intentionally created the image. Because of that, the stuff people remember going on during the "early days of grunge" is all focused on Seattle, and Nirvana was on the periphery for all of that. People knew about them (mostly through the Melvins), but they weren't considered very notable among the other bands in Seattle.

For example, I have a concert poster from right before the release of Nevermind advertising a show with a bunch of bands in Vancouver, BC. The Screaming Trees are billed first, Nirvana is second, and the other two acts are literal who Vancouver bands.

>>74964148
Pearl Jam sounded like what would happen if some washed up middle aged dadrocker band from the 70s had decided one day in 1991 "Hey, y'know the kids are really into this alternative thing now...let's do that."

>>74964507
>and Nirvana was on the periphery for all of that
see >>74964404

>>74964459
>there's other bands like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains that are obvious corporate puppets

The funny thing about this is that the guys from Pearl Jam were involved in Seattle's rock underground for years and had a good deal more credibility in that scene that Cobain did.
Even AIC, despite their early ties to hair metal, still hung out at the same house parties that the more widely-respected early grunge figures like Jack Endino and the guys from Screaming Trees hung out at and were generally on friendly terms with that whole scene.

>>74964404
>1988
Convenient year. AIC barely existed (Cantrll and Staley didn't even meet until late 1987 and I think they were still Diamond lie until halfway through the year), and Soundgarden was touring because of Ultramega OK.

>>74964362
>I never listened to The Uplift Mofo Party Plan

>>74964594
Moving the goal post

>>74964538
Also Eddie Vedder worshiped known dadrockers The Who and Neil Young and even toured with the latter.

>>74954134
1.) Musicians are artists.
2.) There are many musicians who don't even fit the description you're providing. Go listen to Henry Rollins or whatever.
3.) I give this b8 a 3/10.

>>74964538
Interesting. When a thrash metal band tried it out they sounded like a poor man's Alice in Chains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpuRKyGopo

>>74964182
>>74964362
Nah, he's right. The Peppers become fucking massive very quickly once BSSM came out, and they were definitely just as masculine as GNR.
They were pretty much the Lollapalooza equivalent of GNR.

>>74964260
lmao you think he would've browsed /mu/ if he was born towards the end of the 90s?

>>74964629
How? I said Nirvana was on the periphery. They were. Posting a number of concerts played within Seattle city limits doesn't prove anything, especially because of the kinds of things that can influence those numbers. If concert evidence is so important explain away my poster billing the Screaming Trees above Nirvana 1991 Vancounver.

Seriously, read any book about the time, or even just interviews from people about the history of bands like Soundgarden and Mother Love Bone. It's pretty obvious where Nirvana's place was.

>>74964682
Right. The funny thing is RHCP were pretty much exact contemporaries of Guns with Anthony and Flea being the same age as Axl Rose but their sound was more rooted in 80s underground bands and punk rock, while GNR were rooted in classic rock so they immediately felt outdated as soon as Nirvana broke.

>>74964692
Motherfucker, suck a fucking cock.
You complained that Nirvana didn't play in Seattle, they did.
They played as many if not more shows in Seattle than the bands you bitched about being "real" Seattle grunge bands.
"Oh, b-b-but Soundgarden was touring for their album".
Previous year, they played little more than 11 shows in Seattle.
The year before, even less.
And Alice In Chains barely existing in 1988 only serves to put Nirvana ahead of them on the curb of "true Seattle grunge" faggot.
Fuck your biographical book shit. Most of those are written by rag cunts who followed those bands around like they were their fucking apostles.

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Post post-grunge bands that got it right. I'll start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGjIf93eYrM

>>74964751
Yes, GNR's approach and sound were more dadrocky just like Pearl Jam.

>>74964459
>other bands like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains that are obvious corporate puppets
Was he just mad they were better bands than his?

>>74964682
RHCP blew up so fast that John Frusciante couldn't handle it and dropped out.

>>74964650
>The Who
>dadrock
I know they set the blueprint for dadrock, but they really aren't.

>>74964845
To me GnR were like a hair/glam band without the makeup and less stage theatrics. So basically just hard rock.

>>74964751
Hey, Axl and Co. loved punk rock as much as the Chili Peppers or anyone else, they did a whole album of punk covers. :^)

>>74964881
>>74964845
>dadrock
dadrock is just a status a band attains years down the line.

>>74964934
They did but Guns were mostly trying to recapture that 70s hard rock sound because it had gotten lost underneath an ocean of fake LA fag metal bands. They did well with it for a little while but once grunge happened, they just seemed like dumb, outdated cockrock dinosaurs.

Cobain killed himself because he had a dream one night that Creed, Staind, and Nickelback were coming.

>>74964807
Just the amount of replies i expected lmao

>>74964879
Funny thing about that. John was basically just a kid back then, very immature and couldn't deal with the pressure of playing stadiums or headlining festivals. The other guys were in their late 20s, he was like 19-20. Only years later, he grew up and was able to handle playing in one of the biggest bands on the planet.

>>74964007
>He probably killed himself because he hated being such a hypocrite. And I say that as a person who actually knows a few of Kurt's friends and other people he grew up with. He was always pretty self-loathing, and it must have been pretty hard to work so hard to end up a rockstar, realize it kind of sucks, but also be unwilling to do anything about it.
He'd probably still be alive if he weren't married to that bitch.

>>74964855
Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-gx957MEO4

>>74965091
That's kind of like what happened with Kurt Cobain desu. John Frusciante also found the pressure of being a rock star overwhelming, and RHCP became way way way bigger in 1992 than Nirvana were.

Of course he didn't kill himself like a little bitch and deprive us of a lot of good music we'd have missed out on otherwise.

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>>74965240
Why does everyone in this show have massive foreheads?

Most musicians and artists are pretentious twats 95% of the time

>>74963998
>Also, don't let opinions of idiots like Christgau get to you. The guy's a pretentious snob who has pleb-tier taste
Yeah like I know. Like, I don't always want to just listen to the Stooges and Patti Smith all the time and Bangs and Christgau need to get off my case. How did these guys become the deciders of "authentic" rock and roll anyway? They were all a bunch of Greenwich Village hipsters.

>>74965349
it was just James

>>74964007
>and there were things about it he probably did hate, like the press calling his wife a junkie

Well, it's not like they were wrong. She even used heroin during her pregnancy.

>>74965409
Didn't Mr Palmer also have a pretty large forehead?

>>74965459
Sure but that was just his hairline.

>>74963920
>I'd like to thank my family

Kurt hated his family. Once he said that you should know whatever he says after is going to be a joke

>>74964007
>He probably killed himself because he hated being such a hypocrite. And I say that as a person who actually knows a few of Kurt's friends and other people he grew up with. He was always pretty self-loathing, and it must have been pretty hard to work so hard to end up a rockstar, realize it kind of sucks, but also be unwilling to do anything about it.
Yeah it's not as fun as it looks. Reminds me of Harry Truman saying how being president wasn't all it cracked up to be and "There are times when you just wish you could get on a train and go someplace, but you can't."

>>74964277
This guy gets it

>>74963920
>Krist mentioning Goebbels

>>74964277
lel

>>74964806
>You complained that Nirvana didn't play in Seattle,
Again, I never said that. I said they didn't live in Seattle and that left them somewhat on the periphery, which is absolutely true, and you'd know that if you were willing to read a book. Learn some reading comprehension before you sperg out and start arguing with me about shit I didn't say.

>>74964260
"Punk rock is dead. We're just giving it a proper funeral and honoring its memory as best we can."