Are Death in June a Nazi band, or are they not? I'm

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yes (no)

The ambiguity is the point

No. Look up Crisis. It was douglas and tony's punk band before dij. Also Douglas is a fag.

Fucking white males, I sware.

You can't sell Brown Book on EBay because it's hateful material.

>>74895423
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEATH-IN-JUNE-The-Brown-Book-LP-Brown-Vinyl-UNPLAYED-coil-current-93-/192288512848?hash=item2cc549db50:g:kEYAAOSwBt5ZEPHK
more jew lies

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>>74895092
>band doesn't say they're not nazis
>"they're probably nazis"

>>74895092
it's a nazi band but its members aren't nazis

It's shock value, people. Doug is not a real nazi nor endorses it, he only likes the aesthetic. The UK industrial scene was pretty much interesting music and shocking imagery.

>>74895092
yes, they are nazi fucks

>>74895092
>I'm tired of the ambiguity.
might be autism.

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Is Oliver Hirschbiegel a Nazi director, or is he not? I'm tired of the ambiguity.

>>74895092
>>74895608
The only one who would remotely qualify is Tony Wakeford who became "Third Position" when he formed Above the Ruins. He then left politics entirely when he started Sol Invictus, and if his Twitter is any indication, he's since returned to his lefty views when he started Crisis.

To be honest, Wakeford's even more of an enigma than Doug P.

doug is probably some breed of fascist, some have suggested a strasserist, but definitely not a "nazi"

>>74895092
Seven seven sieg heil.

>>74896348
Isnt he married to a jew? But maybe that is just some alibi?

>>74896381
I don't know, but I do remember hearing some rumors of him romantically involved with someone not quite "white". I can't recall any of the details if you put a gun to my head, but that's about the extent of my knowledge.

For all I know, it's just wild rumors.

>>74896420
No Im fairly sure I read it somewhere. I cant find it now of course. It could have been this statement https://web.archive.org/web/20070502130941/http://www.tursa.com/message.html

>>74896341
Is that really a valid comparison? Death in June personally incorporates Nazi aesthetics, but his songs are not about Nazis. The situation with this movie is the other way around.

Death in June is at least some sort of fellow traveler to the Nazi cause if not something that could be described as Nazi.

Ideologically as well as aesthetically.

Doesn't mean you can't enjoy their work, but it's not something to pussyfoot around and say that they aren't at least in a Nazi-esque mode as a performance group.

Like I find the whole thing abhorrent but I still really like But What Ends When The Symbols Shatter so take it or leave it.

Also fuck the whole "he's gay he can't be a Nazi" line as it's just ignorant of the historical presence of homosexuals in Nazi hierarchy.

they're more upfront about being quasi-Nazis than people who are weird, ashamed, crypto-Nazis.

do you want somebody who's honest about being 20% fascist and mostly into the fashion and graphic design?

or do you want someone who is self-deluded and lying to everyone about being 80% fascist in a dumb, mealy-mouth way.

i prefer neither. but your mileage may vary.

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No.

Douglas was a leftists at first with crisis, but he eventually turned more and more to the right judging from his interviews. He's probably not a nazi, but he's very conservative and nationalist at this point (even though he's gay).

>>74897677
Aren't there also some DIJ lyrics that condemn holocaust deniers?

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Nazi? No.
Thoroughly right-wing and racialist? Very much so

>THE WORLD SEEMS TO BE SO FULL OF SO MANY DANGERS THAT IT'S HARD TO SINGLE ANY PARTICULAR ONES OUT. CERTAINLY THE MOST OBVIOUS THAT SPRING TO MIND ARE THE GROWTHS IN ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM AND OUT OF CONTROL BREEDING. EVEN IN EUROPA, WITH ZERO POPULATION GROWTH IN MANY COUNTRIES, THOSE WHO ARE DOING THE BREEDING APPEAR TO ME, AND I THINK MANY OTHERS, TO BE OF DUBIOUS CHARACTER. THEY FUCK, THEY HAVE KIDS AND THAT IS ALL THEY DO! I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS ENOUGH!! I DON'T THINK I NEED TO TELL ANY RUSSIAN ABOUT ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM. I ALWAYS BACKED THE FORMER U.S.S.R IN AFGHANISTAN AND FEEL THE WEST, BY BACKING THE WRONG SIDE IN THAT WAR HAS STILL YET TO PAY THE FULL PRICE OF THAT MISTAKE. I'VE NEVER AGREED WITH THE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF HE IS MY ENEMY'S ENEMY HE MUST BE MY FRIEND. THAT TRULY IS NAIVE. AUSTRALIA IS NOW EXPERIENCING THE CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH NAIVETY WITH INDONESIA. BY THE TIME YOU GET THIS WE COULD BE AT WAR WITH THEM. TRADITIONAL ENEMIES WERE NEVER FRIENDS!"

>AS I'VE SAID IN A PREVIOUS QUESTION I TRULY FEEL THAT ENGLAND, AND PROBABLY TO A LESSER EXTENT, MAINLAND EUROPA, HAS SEVERE STOCK PROBLEMS. THAT, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE HAS ONLY GOT WORSE. THOSE WHO SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BREED ARE DOING SO WITH SUCH FREQUENCY THAT THE UK IS BEING OVER POPULATED BY MORONS WITH NOTHING TO DO EXCEPT HARASS THE REST OF THE POPULATION. THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE FOR THEM. BRITAIN AS AN INDUSTRIAL POWER IS A THING OF YESTERYEAR. LARGE POOLS OF MANUAL, UNSKILLED LABOURERS ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED. HOWEVER, THE OLD HABITS LINGER ON. MONEY IS STILL GIVEN TO THOSE WHO BREED. THE MORE KIDS YOU HAVE THE MORE MONEY YOU GET. THIS IS TOTALLY UNREAL.

>>74895321
>Look up Crisis.

Pearce and Wakeford's disillusionment with leftist politics was what fueled the end of Crisis and the birth of DI6 in the first place.

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>BRITAIN IMPORTED MILLIONS OF UNSKILLED LABOURERS FROM THE COLONIES FOR THAT KIND OF WORK AND LOOK WHAT A HUGE SUCCESS THAT WAS! THE HATRED IS BARELY RESTRAINED INTO THE OCCASSIONAL RIOT. I DON'T LIKE BEING IN A PLACE WITH SUCH AN ATMOSPHERE. EVEN GERMANY, THE FORMER RICHEST COUNTRY IN WESTERN EUROPA SEEMS TO BE TANGIBLY FALLING TO BITS. IT IS NO LONGER AS CLEAN AND AS WELL ORGANISED AS I REMEMBER FROM, SAY, 10 YEARS AGO. IT HAS BEEN FLOODED BY THOSE WHO WANT BUT, WITH LITTLE TO GIVE! THE WEST'S LIBERALISM WILL BE ITS DEATH."

>Q: How do you feel about fans that are Eurocentric/Racialist?

>A: "Depending upon their ' version ' of Eurocentric Racialism, then 9 times out of 10 I feel very comfortable with it.This is how it's supposed to be. I would like to think that the Klu Klux Klan version isn't included in this. Eurocentrics goes beyond reactionary Christian, political militias. I believe in seizing the end of time, not being a passive part of it. "

>Q: Don't you think your vision concerning the history of Europe(which in your opinion is the best one) is nevertheless a European opinion?I'm not talking about the americans who have no past and who probably have no more future but about the Chinese, for example, who were in the past a very powerful nation...

>A: "Yes, I am totally Euro-centric.I'm not overly concerned with the past but, I do care about the present and the future. European culture, morals, ethics, whatever, are under attack from all sides these days. Even, most dangerous of all, from within Europe. Whilst we have room for regret about some of the mistakes of the past (and of the present) regarding our treatment of the earth and some of it's peoples/wildlife, there is also plenty to be content about. I'm tired of being made to feel guilty about the sins of the world. Europe has contributed a MASSIVE amount to the world on ALL fronts. We will regret the day when we let that position slip from our hands and fade from our memory."

>>74898033
You can probably be a Nazi and still believe the Holocaust happened
I imagine the original Nazis fit into that
(Not that I think he's one though)

I don't give a fuck about the politics, what's a good album to start with?

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Are Laibach a Nazi band, or are they not? I'm tired of the ambiguity.

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>>74898091
>>74898115
All of these quotes also date back to years before the current "refugee" shitshow btw. I can only imagine his beliefs have grown harsher in the meantime, and in reaction to the current situation.

(he's also 100% correct on all points btw)

>>74898091
>>74898115
Doesn't sound more radical than the ENR guys that are reaching the mainstream these days

>>74898130
Lesson 1: Misanthropy.

It's not a studio album but a compilation/overview of the band's early militant post-punk years. Still my go-to DI6 album.

>>74898183
I don't think anything he's saying is radical at all, most of it strikes me as plain common sense.

why are nazis always gay?

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>there are (((people))) on this board who can't enjoy music unless they put biographical details of artist through the ideological filter

>>74898290
just say youre a nazi and be done with it

>>74898259
because women are a) inefficient and b) memes and every time they take part in any kind of political movement its core points inevitably disintegrate into minutiae

>>74898259
daddy issues

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>>74895092

>>74898091
> I ALWAYS BACKED THE FORMER U.S.S.R IN AFGHANISTAN AND FEEL THE WEST, BY BACKING THE WRONG SIDE IN THAT WAR HAS STILL YET TO PAY THE FULL PRICE OF THAT MISTAKE.
I don't understand how anti imperialism became right wing but it's a good meme

>>74898633
imperialism = globalism

>>74895092

Who cares

also no

>>74895543
>the band is some kind of self-aware nazi entity floating somewhere out there

>>74897186
>fuck the whole "he's gay he can't be a Nazi" line as it's just ignorant of the historical presence of homosexuals in Nazi hierarchy
Sure thing m8

>>74895092
Idk who gives a shit

>>74900431
...he typed, in the the blasé airs of a privileged white boy

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>>74895092
I'm the neofolk thread guy, do you want my answer?
I'm actually writing my bachelor's thesis on the topic of neofolk and its underlying philosophy.
Actually, I tricked you.
I just want to know if my friend is here, my dear Crumchy.

It seems he has not arrived yet.
Any way, here's my introduction to Death In June for all peeps interested:

DI6 has 50+ releases so a "best one" is impossible to pin down. If you want to get into Death In June, these are the quintessential releases you should listen to (don't mess with the chronology I set up for you):
>Oh how we laughed
>Lesson I: Misanthropy
>93 Dead Sunwheels
>The World That Summer
>Brown Book
>But, What Ends When The Symbols Shatter?
>Roseclouds Of Holocaust
>The Cathedral Of Tears (1993, EP not comp)
>:Black Whole Of Love:
>Kameradschaft
>Heaven Sent (as Scorpion Wind, with Boyd Rice and John Murphy)
>All Pigs Must Die
>The Rule Of Thirds
>Peaceful Snow (with Miro Snejdr, Dougie's cute new boyfriend)
>The Snow Bunker Tapes
>Euro Cross

This should give you an overview of their musical development over three decades of their career and teach you all their quintessential songs. If you'd ask me for my favourite release I'd point you to :Black Whole Of Love:.
If that list is too long for you, I'd advise you to skip Oh How We Laughed, a recording of one of their earliest concerts, Roseclouds Of Holocaust, which is very similar to But What Ends When The Symbols Shatter, The Cathedral Of Tears, which is notable only for containing one of their signature songs of the same name, Peaceful Snow, which is notable for the oddity of being an album of piano ballads, neofolk versions of which make up The Snow Bunker Tapes, and Euro Cross, which translates the signature songs of Symbols/Roseclouds era Death In June to their more stripped down post-2000s sound.

People/"artists" that are purposely ambiguous with their reactionary politics are indeed still reactionaries. Too scared to just be up-front about it. Paper tigers.

Listen to Rome instead. Only good neofolk band anyway.

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>>74898133
>>74895107
these guys gets it

>>74895321
>>74895543
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>>74897186
>>74899317
>>74900416
>>74901668
You're all fucking retarded, although Rome is a great band. Have you people never heard of Google Scholar? Or libgen.io? I'll go to bed now, it's bedtime in Germany.

Shoutout to my dear Crumchy, if he reads this.
I hope you are well and master your unfortunate situation in a way that is meaninful and satisfying to you.


>>74898193
>not a studio album
>a compilation
Now this is willful misinformation.

>>74901847
>being this much of a rockist
kys

Seems to be about the tragedy of Hitler and Strasser where Hindenburg expects one of them in the wreckage in 1933.

Just a good emotional story

>>74898091
you posted this verbatim in the last Di6 thread

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>>74898091
>>74898115
100% right.

>>74902984
as long as nazi chuds keep promoting pearce's sick shit it deserves to be reposted

Dougie Pearce is a fag who sexualizes/fetishizes National Socialist Germany (common homosexual practice)

Hilarious to me that self-alleged "National Socialists" listen to this smut unironically, totally unaware of even obvious implications