/prod/ - Music Production General

>>74805682
God damnit op stop with your lazy memeing it takes like 10 seconds to find the old thread -_________-

>>74805743
0/10

>>74806004
alright alright

>>74785741 previous thread

>>74805743
Serum is a pretty unique and powerful synth though.

>>74806035
thanks

>>74806065
oh no, clearly only shitty trap producers use serum and if you use it you probably suck

>>74805743

fm8s interface sucks major ass though.
90% of the time if i need fm sounds i just stick with operator, which sucks because i want to leave ableton behind.
are there no good FM vsts?

>>74806667
Not really. FM synthesis pretty much doesn't exist from anywhere other than FL's Sytrus and FM8.

>>74806667
>fm8s interface sucks major ass though

i'll admit it took me a good couple months to learn what i was doing with it, but once you understand it not really?

my only gripes are the effects being very meh and that when i automate the routing switches shit occasionally, but that could be ableton.

operator sucks ass in comparison imo, though i've gotten some cool sounds out of it, it takes more work.

>>74806667
Sytrus boi, it's like FM8 but with an actually good interface and easily automatable matrix. Also you can draw your own waveforms instead of sticking with the preset ones.

how do i "glue" stuff on the mastering to make it sound professional

>>74807023
compression

>>74807023
get the mix right first

>>74807273
how to

>>74806978
oh i have no trouble using it, i'm used to hardware fm synthesizers which are about as unintuitive as it gets, my problem with fm8 is that it's not... ergonomic, software-wise. everything is buried in sub-menus and screens, the envelope editing feels clumsy, you never really get a muscle memory for it.
its ridiculous no one ever thought of making a competitor, virtually any other fm vst i know has no-gos like non-looping envelopes.

>>74807023
subtle compression and saturation on the master, the types of plugins used will determine the sound. tape emulation does both at once and comes with a trendy sound, though that will get old soon.
i've also developed a habit of sticking an eq on the master once i feel like i have the mixdown fairly set. it's not exactly clever as it can make it harder to backtrack but fuck it i'm here to make music not engineer a band's recordings.

>>74807336
>the envelope editing feels clumsy, you never really get a muscle memory for it.

actually i feel the same way about everything from native instruments. massive doesn't demand the complicated envelopes but fm8 takes a bit to get them just right, and while absynth can get crazy intricate like nothing else, you have to know exactly what you're doing to make the envelopes do what you want them to. i'm just waiting for new versions from all of them, it's crazy to me that none of these have been updated.

>>74807302
shared reverb, not going overboard with seperation from eq (know where there needs to be overlap), make there aren't transients or spikes in volume sticking out. that's all off the top of my head anyway

>>74807626
i kinda gave up on NI. battery 4 was an absolute disaster, they actually made a much worse plugin than battery 3.
the only reason i'm still a customer is reaktor, which i gotta admit has been doing pretty great lately. apart from that i almost feel like the golden age of vst's is over, everyone is into hardware nowadays, so all the creativity and talent in the industry pile up there.

>>74805682
trying to quite playing dota and replace it with music production. Am i in the rigth place? I have no prior experience

>>74807700
It's a start. Come chill with us on discord.

https://discord.gg/cfwMgqU

>>74807700
You have to ignore the autists but yeah mostly

>>74807696
I wasn't around for that, but yeah I've read about several abandoned vsts or missteps in the past five years, especially with ni and izotope.

At least you can use the samples outside of battery lol. I couldn't imagine being stuck with that rather than drumrack though

>>74807740
not the dota guy but i've been slacking too much lately too, what kind of stuff do people on that discord produce mostly?

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>>74807700
>pic related

>>74807940
a little bit of everything, but (((experimental))) hip hop seems to be popular

>>74808308
great, i was worried it'd be infested with EDM/trap/dubstep bros. guess that's not as big as it used to be, thank god.

>>74807940
all kinds

>>74808308
>(((experimental)))

actually experimental or "experimental"? i feel like most people who tag themselves with that are typically just slightly weird or quirky

>>74808736
it's on a scale from "you call this experimental?" to "you call this hip hop?"

>>74808736
as someone who's ended up in the actually experimental rabbit hole all i can say is: be glad if it's just "experimental". at least you'll end up making stuff your friends will recognize as music.

>>74808768
so pretty wide ranging then huh? cool

>>74808778
yeah i feel you man lol. i just don't encourage people to listen to my stuff- the people who actually ask are generally more receptive. the worst thing i got after some crazy drum fill that ended one of my songs was that it sounded like "art music" but that guy was plebish and got curious one day :p

>>74808905
after taking too long to make it in the genre i started out with (breakcore, feels old man) i had a bit of an identity crisis and ended up in this academic circlejerk scene of drone and noise musicians who one-up each other with overly complicated concepts behind their music. most of them study design or liberal arts, and it shows in the music. if you could listen to a black canvas in an empty room it would sound like that.
i honestly feel like i've wasted precious years of my life being involved in that sort of stuff.

i won't post my stuff or artists i've been involved with after having said all that, but imagine stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSSW8qjCruU

>>74805682
how do i into house music? i know it's for fags but it makes me feel happy

>>74809049
>if you could listen to a black canvas in an empty room it would sound like that.

good description desu. i gotcha.

eh, it's worth exploring ideas for their own sake, or fun or whatever. i'd say it's not a waste of time if you can apply whatever you gained out of making that sort of stuff to other types of music

>>74809049
>i honestly feel like i've wasted precious years of my life being involved in that sort of stuff.
If you enjoyed doing it, I wouldnt call it wasted.

>>74809083
what kind of house music?
there's been a lot of genres called that over the years.
learning how to play the piano always helps with house, in the end it's those harmonies that separate it from techno and other genres.

>>74809083
Learn how to make music in general and then you'll figure out how to make specific things.

>>74809155
um idk how to describe what type. best thing i could do is link to a youtube channel that im subbed to that always uploads stuff i like

>>74809256
go ahead

>>74809272
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC58C_BhzlZIJTeomuVSD2lA

>>74809294
for drums the 909 is your best friend
start practicing keys, get a midi keyboard if you have none.
build a basic beat, cut a part out of a melodic song you like (soul, jazz, anything you could sample in hiphop works) and loop it over the beat, filter to taste, start playing keys on top, mute and unmute drum parts

congrats you just made your first house track.
of course it will sound like utter garbage at first but keep doing that and you'll get better and better over time, you'll figure out all the nerdy tech shit on the way.

>>74809402
i'm going to screen cap and do this lol

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>>74805682
https://clyp.it/sbt20t4u

Opinions or crituiqes on this retro beat I made? I plan on adding my friends vocals.

Made with Virus Access, MS20, in Renoise.

>>74810407
>Made with Virus Access, MS20, in Renoise.

WE GET IT ANON

>>74810569
I say this because I want people to critique my use of the synthesizers. If you know how ms20 works people will be able to give me specific critiques on how I use it.

Working on a cute lil tune, lil preview for lil people (ignore like the last 3 seconds)
https://clyp.it/beirpbhq?token=2b7e284b394fb52714a5038f26295dee

>>74810900
this is actually sort of interesting anon, sounds like it could be the soundtrack to a weird indie game about a baby lost in a forest or something

>>74810900
How do you decide which instrument patches you are going to use for the song? How do you compose the main melody? What are the general guidelines when choosing instruments, how do you make sure they work together, just by ear...?

I mean you could take a lead synth sound from let's say some weird analog moog type synth but then you pick up drums from modern set and bass is some cheap casio tone. That will create a conflict in sound.

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https://clyp.it/xdvzfmxo didnt get much feedback on last thread r8 pls

>>74813260
this is rather upbeat, all things considered.

>they turned /prod/ into a namefag circlejerk
discord was a mistake

gunna put vocals of this

https://clyp.it/jdemr3n5

feeedback pls


>>74813260
this is fucking awesome hahha

do you have anymore things like this?

>>74813535
There's literally one namefag and everybody agrees that he's an autistic faggot who doesn't know what he's talking about. The discord is shitty but don't blame them for that- just let them enjoy it.

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>>74813567
nah this was just an experiment but im planning on making more shit like it
also i like your track a lot the chord progression is pretty im always a sucker for detuned synths
>>74813399
makes it fun

is it normal to hear noise when my speaker volume is all the way turned off? nothings playing btw, just a buzzin from my speakers

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this is supposedly the final master
https://clyp.it/qlx5jdlp

>>74814138
>reverb on master
>all that shit

Maybe I'm just a minimalist but that seems like a lot *__*

>>74814164
really?
>light multiband compression/limiting to keep the spectrum even
>reverb
>four analog/tape sims
>eq to fix the 3k boost and the loss of highs done by the previous
>limiter

>>74814281
>keep the spectrum even because it wasn't accomplished in the mix
>reverb on every track
>that's okay but four is a lot
>yes usually
>duh

>>74814323
lalalala im not hearing

>>74814365
Lol okay

>>74814384
does it sound like its lacking high end/air, if you listened the track? thats what im worried the stacked analogs did.

>>74814415
Will listen later

I remember you

>>74813260
lmao

>>74813567
i like it, the chords are nice
the drums are a little quiet and weak sounding i think
and it gets repetitive but the vocals will probably help with that

>>74814164
subtle reverb on the higher frequencies on the master can livin up the mix a lot

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>>74812554
Thank you man if you ever want to work on a video game like that and you need music for it hmu
>>74813135
I use Ableton and a vst named Omnisphere. Most of what i do is by ear, i go through several different patches until I find one that sounds good to me. I try to find patches that match one another usually by putting what i have so far on repeat while testing out the new patches. I composed the piano bit by improvising and just kept it after my first try (which is why it sounds a bit rough). Everything else is basically by ear, just playing different notes until i get something i like. Sorry if this wasn't much help, I'm pretty new to music making myself. But if you're interested in making ambient music i highly recommend Omnisphere, it's very fun to use too

>>74814053
Fuck off, your discord is complete shit and ruins what makes /prod/ good.

There are much better established discords for productions anyway. Your faggot containment chamber is Reddit reddit tier

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I do not really mix tracks, and I usually hear my synths and guitars through a bass amp or pic related. Should I get a cheap mixer and a pair of monitors?

>>74806667
Zebra

>>74814478
>on the higher frequencies
>not doing that before your master so you don't send your fucking bass and everything to it

>>74814862
I don't use discord ever lol. The worst they do is ask people to join a few times a thread so I don't think they're existing is that bad desu

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>just write music bro

Fuck you! Worst advice ever. When do I start understanding rhythm and harmony? Probably never if I keep up with this routine

>>74815638
>understanding rhythm
listen to what's actually happening in the music you listen to..?

>harmony
memorize intervals and all the major chords. listen for weird stuff and take note. you should know it when you hear it after a while

>>74815670
well I did actually do all the ear exercises on that music theory site incidentally. But I don't really understand what the chords and intervals do. I can bullshit some chords and rhythm and it sounds kind of neat sometimes but I never actually write what I want to (especially when it come to rhythm) and get sidetracked by my own incompetence.

>>74815638
write stories and poetry to get better at writing

freestyle sing, play around with melodies and shit to figure out what sounds good

then when you have an instrumental you can put the two together

>>74815086
In this order, from most to least important

1. Room treatment for proper listening
2. Monitors and appropriate D/A conversion
3. Cool gear
3.

>>74815795
I think my alacrity to generate melodies is what got me into this in the first place. Well that and my tonal sensibilities which make it hard to find a lot of music I find especially personal. At any rate hammering out the melody is never a problem but layering in the harmony and otherwise developing the idea just seems to give a result that sounds flat and doesn't go anywhere. I should also come clean that I am more interested in composition than producing but /comp/ is gone which sucks.

>>74815899
nice blog faggot

>>74815892

Not the guy you're replying to but I came here for monitor advice.

I'm looking to get a cheap pair, like as cheap as possible without being utter garbage - something better than the z623s i'm using now.

What are some brands to avoid, what specifications to avoid?

Rokit 5s are like, my ceiling as far as budget is concerned.

>>74815940
Yeah sorry I got a little carried away there :^)

>>74815724
i have a really hard time sympathizing with this sorry...

when you happen to know theory and common chords (more obvious when you're familiar with a certain artists tendencies like i was) patterns start to emerge. you hear "tension" and leading voices (high notes of the chord) create certain "implied" melodies and you just know what the next note of it should be. you start to notice things like kurt cobains vocal harmonies were ripoffs of what the beatles did with certain chord tones, etc etc

third and fifth become really obvious harmonies when you play them over and over, hovering on the seventh or fifth chord and then going into the first become really obvious ways to bridge to you (cadences), playing a minor second or a tritone sound nasty and you know when to play those when you want to sound ugly

i promise if you just internalize what every relationship sounds like it becomes natural

>>74815969
>as cheap as possible without being utter garbage
>Rokit 5s are like, my ceiling as far as budget is concerned.

you're shit out of luck bro sorry. just get the rokits used and upgrade when you can. jbl lsr and yamaha hs5s would be better if you can find them cheap

>>74815969
in that book mixing secrets POSTED BY OP, is a round up of monitoring. Try reading that chapter at least for gods sake

>>74816029
i'm all for shitting on new producers for not reading the op, but i don't think he needs to read some random ass book to figure out what brand of monitors to get

>>74816029
>>74816051
I've read it as well, but it was written a while ago and I just kind of wanted to get some opinions from todays perspective.

>>74816023
Thanks, I'll probably end up grabbing them.

>>74816051
Which is why everyone sucks here. They don't read the resources posted right in front of their faces

>>74816023
>Just memorize all the relationships

Pretty sure if you manage to do that then you write something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFIGoB7rK70

>>74816085
Chromaticism is a different beast.

I was talking strictly about non modulating diatonic shit lmao. mastering the basics will get you pretty fucking far though. Interesting piece you linked

>>74816081
lol I think you're ignoring that most of the people here posting clyps are still very new. They do need to learn to answer there own questions though...

>>74816436
well I didn't expect to write anything with that level of polyphony like ever. I suppose writing traditional major counterpoint is like like the composer version of drawing boxes in perspective? I guess what I want is some sort of routine to practice.

>>74816477
Lol it can be much simpler than that. There's nothing excessive or pretentious about it inherently.

I don't know what people who don't play instruments do.... maybe try being really deliberate with your composing? Make a i i III iv, replace chords to see what happens, inversions to see what happens, place a different melody using chord tones and non chord tones for each of those to observe and so on

>>74816532
I do a lot of bullshit experiments as it is. I'm looking for like the bootcamp of composition. And I really don't want to learn to play an instrument because that is a motor skill and would take years in itself to become effective at.

>>74816569
Cover a song? Shit just rip off a song honestly

There's no step by step instruction to writing something from scratch man. It's a lot of little skills that you have to put together for yourself.

>>74816569
learning an instrument is the best way, keyboard

>>74816881
>learning gymnastics is the best way to learn coreography

>>74816569
>And I really don't want to learn to play an instrument

That's /prod/ in a nutshell

>>74816951
No, but learning to dance is an excellent way to do that.
A composer who doesn't have hands-on experience with good music made by other people is like a coreographer who never danced and has no hands-on experience with good coreographies.

It's going to be hard to get good when you barely even know what "good" is.
By exercizing with the work of others you build a foundation to use as a reference point upon which you get better.

It's way harder for producers who don't play instrument to make good music, simply because those who do, have had a lot of experience in training their musicality, while those who don't end up being affected by Dunning-Kruger and make shit music because they don't even know when their music sounds "off".

man i just spent like 20 minutes trying to fix the eq on my speakers because for some reason the a5 note sounded really jaring, but everything around it was fine

turns out it's just a a frequency that annoys my slight tinnitus ridden left ear (the speakers point towards there when i play)

anybody else have bullshit ear problems like this?

>>74816951
you a dumb shit

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>>74816998
Well I suppose I can still kill myself

>>74817014
>>74816998
>>74816951
Tbh his analogy sucks but the point makes sense. I'd say it's more like knowing how to read and write when you're trying to tell a story.

Concepts like punctuation and run on sentences translate to how you would say something just like playing triplets or ghost notes on a drum set will naturally translate to how you'll program midi.

Not having that instinct doesn't mean you won't notice that it sounds better or you won't be able to develops an ear for it eventually, but it's just easier to learn when you have a foundation to understand it from.

>>74817125
desu this sounds like when /ic/ told me to draw from the shoulder. pfft, there's no way that was happening. But at least you got a better argument than "muh scratchy lines" I'll give you that much.

>>74817122
Unless you really have to become a successful producer in a year, there's always time to learn.

>>74817125
The point isn't that the playing (of an instrument) itself will help you become a better producer/composer (although it still helps a bit, especially if you compose for instrumentalists), but that when you learn an instrument you also learn to play other people's (hopefully great) songs, so your brain gets trained deal with good music from the inside (playing it gives you a more in-depth look at the songs, compared to just listening to them carefully), so you develop your "musicianship", which is essentially a library of your musical experiences that your subconscious draws from when creating music.

By playing great music you get your brain's musicality (like a muscle memory of music) used to good-sounding music, so you don't end up making shit that sounds good only to you but sounds bad to everyone else.

If you somehow learned an instrument while only playing your own songs, you still wouldn't learn much.

Bump 4 u

>>74815892
How can room treatment be more important than having monitors when room treatment does literally zero before you acquire the monitors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEC-XqWjBl0&t=2s

there's like this thing, I can't mix properly

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https://clyp.it/el3jmmud

does it sound squashed and lacking attack???

especially in comparision to this >>74814138

pls

>>74806098
You have shit opinions and should probably take your own life as a result.

https://clyp.it/32ezznvq
rate pls

How do you deal with writer's block?

>>74821461
take a break
sleep
listen to new music
learn new things

>>74821461
Preventively.

Whenever you have ideas, save them somewhere (as files if you've had them by working on the DAW, or in a recorder if you've had them AFK), so whenever you're feeling uninspired you can pull those out and work on them without having to create anything.
If you don't have a library of ideas, start as soon as you get one, and after a while you'll have many to choose from.

Also, you can try making presets (by fucking around with the parameters and experimenting with what comes out) or other non-creative things, such as managing (sorting, deleting, renaming, etc) your libraries, maybe try that new plugin you wanted to try, etc.

I often find myself just thinking of some new sound design concept I hadn't tried before, so I open Ableton, start experimenting with it, and while I'm experimenting with the sound design I hit the keyboard to hear what I'm doing, and that often sparks something in my brain which gives me ideas that end up developing into bare-bones songs that I can then fully produce.

Another thing is to try and play with samples and loops to get new ideas by completely changing them in different ways.
You can try looping different part of them, inverting them, resample them, repitch them, if they have repeating characteristics you can overlay them and flip the polarity of one to extract what's left, etc.
If you look into sampling and sample manipulation techniques you'll find a ton of ways to get ideas from samples (either loops, one-hits, or full songs).

>>74821839
>flip the polarity of one to extract what's left
Phaser please fuck off.

https://clyp.it/ekh12irr
How do I come up with interesting compositions?

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I've been getting in to synths. I usually make very noisy music, today I tried making something relaxed, simple, more poppy. Does it work, or is it just lame?

https://clyp.it/2jgbpc20

>>74822761
>https://clyp.it/2jgbpc20
Why did you purposefully use 3 different tempos for various parts so that everything sounds out of time.. but then call it "poppy"? Timing. Sounds underwater cool tho

>>74822646
>https://clyp.it/ekh12irr
shows skill.. as far as interesting compositions, using more than the bare minimum of instruments/sounds helps. You got a beat, some looping, whiney lead, and harmony from a bass sound -- maybe a chord stab. Great. Make it move with transitional sounds and overdubbed parts possibly?

>>74822646
It's too repetitive.
If it's made to be rapped on or something like that, then it might sound good with the vocals (since they might break the repetitiveness), but as it is now it's boring IMO.

>>74815638
>When do I start understanding rhythm and harmony?
When you start studying them obviously.

You can't expect to discover that knowledge on your own in a reasonable amount of time. It's much better to start studying it (at least the basics) and build from there with practice.

>>74822319
>multiband compressor in ableton colors the sound when compression disabled and you solo bands

https://clyp.it/5miq2gl1

>>74810407
why put your dirty-ass sunglasses in the pic?

>>74815899
>I think my alacrity to generate melodies

idk about your musical abilities but you are a really poor writer

>>74824793
Don't be mean :(

does soundcloud compress every audio posted, is there a way to escape it. all my clips sound muddy and clipped. does soundcloud convert stuff to .mp3 and my stuff goes past 0db on the process?

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https://clyp.it/kq3qzrcr

Posted it a few threads ago, got one reply but I'd like more feedback. I added some stuff and a guitar riff.

I want to make songs but a specific genre I don't know the name of I want to get a movie rip audio from certain parts then put it on a beat, plan on buying a launchpad/keyboard combo to do this - is it a good idea and does anyone know the name of the genre?

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>>74825305
forgot picture

>>74810828
>https://clyp.it/sbt20t4u
it is honestly quite uncreative for having an ms20 at your disposal.

Checkout the duo digitalism, or the entire Warp 90s catalog

Question: I'm having an issue with protools 12.5 on windows 10. It's the access violation 0x00000(not sure how many zeroes)10. Avid's site says to reset the HD native card to factory default firmware. I don't have an HD native card. wat do?

>>74825531
I'm fucking retarded

>>74825850
u need brotools hardware

>>74825881
Yeah I realize this now. So I'm slightly less retarded. Still retarded, but less

>>74825913
gotta use the gimped non-hd licence without the hardware

>>74825305
if you plan to movie rip the audio watch out for peaks that get smeared by the framrate.

The genre gets called where i'm from movie quote beats.

sorry for english.

>>74825092
Yes they lower the quality

However that wouldn't be a problem if you mastered with enough headroom in the first place. -.3 is the usual

>>74825305
You don't need a controller to do that At all but it's not a bad idea I guess.

>>74825993
thanks
>>74826010
I figure I'll enjoy it a lot more with a controller

>>74825968
nah I'll pirate something else
fucking hardware DRM horseshit

can someone listen & tell if this guitar solo is fitting or i better try another one. because im going to record the actual tracks and dont want to waste rusting my new strings
it starts @ 2:00 in case
https://55chan.org/mu/src/1502648219662.ogg

https://clyp.it/2jgbpc20

Programming my own synths. Can you get into the vibe of this track, just slipping into a mild hypnosis - oe does it just sound like trash?

>>74826010
why they cant just do it like clyp and not mud and dirt stuff up

>>74826853
because that's a shitload of data

>>74826872
clyp compressess (quality not volume) everithyng to 128k mp3

>>74826954
so it's the same shit as soundcloud

>>74825433
I agree, how could I use it more creatively in this context?

>>74826969
no clyps sound just the same and soundcloud distorts styuff

>>74827034
soundcloud is the same 128

>>74826583
This is really neat, could be mixed better. Wouldn't be out of place on White Pepper or Quebec, if you've heard those albums.

Good stuff.

>>74827048
thanks a lot. cool, havent heard of them, will check that ween band. is the guitar solo fitting though?

I'm Rick Beato. Ask me anything

>tfw i've started rapping in japanese because doing so in english makes me feel uber cringey
help

>>74830162
baka senpai

>>74828691
literally who

How do I make rapid kick drums sound like this?
https://youtu.be/lOkWiCpuHdQ?t=1m10s

In which frequency range should I place vocals?

https://clyp.it/qrtmefi0
>chill anime beats x nu metal samples
y/n?

>>74831213
in the ranges the raw recording is more proeminent at

http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

also hi pass @ 100~200 and boost around there if it gets too thin (it probably will)

>>74832183
That's a useful link. Thanks anon.

I was kind of concerned cause in the track I'm working on there's a range of vocals that's in between the bass and the chords that's not as loud in the raw recording but becomes prominent due to the higher frequencies interacting with the chords, making it sound like the voice is thicker than it should be, but it's probably an arrangement issue.

>>74832348
interesting can you post a clyp of it

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>>74832896
Already fixed but here's a diagram.

>>74833132
how did you fix it, i cant think of a solution

>>74833387
EQ voice, layer chords, master EQ. Nothing too fancy. The effect wasn't that strong, too, just made it sound awkward.

>>74833387
Sidechain the overlapping things, I do it every track, prioritise the vocal and have the other one duck when ever the vocal happens

>>74833717
is it possible to do with Eq, take out some mids of the synth whenever vocal appears. that would be cooler than automation

>>74834331
Make the sidechain not completely killy the other instrument and itll sound clearer

>>74834331
Using both is a good idea, sidechaining will give a clean sound right away tho.

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https://clyp.it/tieji0my

I'm pretty proud of how this one turned out

>>74822319
No u

>>74823229
>Implying it doesn't
Fucking liar.

>>74834861
Oh look it's this faggot again

ok can someone pleasse tell me how to make my shit not peak, like for bass tones and kicks.

>>74835402
Turn it down so it doesn't clip...

>>74835493
doesnt work

>>74835493
He doesn't know what 'it' is

>>74835527
what are you actually turning down?

you can be clipping at any part of your chain before you hit the mixer. ideally you should work so there isn't any part that's making it louder in the first place

>>74835573
>>74835590
ha

>>74835672
It's sort of frustrating to see how many people here don't know basic shit like gainstaging and fixing shit during tracking before mixing before mastering and ugh ._____.

Anyone know of any guide for making music entirely without recording?

>>74835740
What do you mean?

Like without using microphones and only staying within the DAW?

>>74835753
Like, sampling and shit. I just want to do something while I'm bored. Vaporware garbage or whatever.

>>74835740
>download daw
>load a bunch of virtual instruments
>sample drums
>create patterns
>add effects
>mix and master
Like it's not very hard to get started, nigger, the rest is practice.

>>74835759
How much are you willing to read/study?

Making music with a computer is pretty easy, but making decent music takes effort, so keep that in mind.

It's also very fulfilling though, so it's well worth it.

>>74815969
jbl305

https://clyp.it/d5lieopy

trying to make something with a cool, summer vibe. am I getting it at all? can you imagine walking down mainstreet, sunglasses on, listening to this?

>>74836139
No man this is too dark.
Make it brighter. Make it warmer. Make it lighter. This reminds me of papers please. I don't wanna say it's bad, it does need a lot of work but it's kinda cool, I enjoy it, but summer vibe? no way.

>>74835239
>Oh shit he's correct
>Better call him a faggot

>>74836212
Lol

Anybody use Bitwig for Linux?

How well does it work?

Is there a way to run .dll VSTs with it?

What are some good /prod/ related forums and subreddits?

my 808s/bass sound overpowering when you listen with headphones, but only kind of audible when you listen on monitors/speakers. what's the happy medium?

>>74839100
also should I worry too much about overwhelming bass in the mixing stage, or can i fix it with a multiband compressor when mastering? It's like it's too wide and envelopes the entire mix in a dark cloud that makes everything sound muddy

>>74839100
You should have some higher frequencies on that 808 to make it audible on most speakers.
Then adjust the volume accordingly.

>>74839175
how high of frequencies? You mean like 200-1k hz?

>>74839221
harmonics, to be exact. distort that shit a bit

>>74839221
It depends on the kind of 808 you have and the kind of feel of the song.

Some 808 are only the 1st couple of harmonics of a square, and some can even be full-spectrum.
And some can even be a single sine.
There is no universal rule or tip we can give you. It's context-dependent.

>>74839153
Keep your bass mono, do a high pass

>>74839312
>>74839256
>>74839252
yo thanks anons, it sounds a lot better holy shit

>>74839387
You're welcome.

Keep that in mind when working with subs in general.
Most speakers can't play them, so you have to decide if you want them strong for those that can (say, a car, a club, a proper system, or headphones), or for "all" speakers in general.

If you're synthetizing the 808s or subs with a synth try to make them with a few harmonics from the start (use a synth that lets you draw in he harmonics like Operator or Sytrus), and play with the distortion afterwards.

If you're using samples, then distortion is your best chance (although you may also have luck with layering it with the same sound an octave above at low volume).
If you have the Waves plugin, check out their "Renaissance Bass" plugin, which is used specifically for introducing harmonics to low-frequency basses to make them more audible on normal speakers.

>>74807696
>battery 4 was an absolute disaster
How so? I use that all the time

Lo-fi piano ambient thing with glitchy drums
https://clyp.it/e4nzujzi
I'm basically stuck in loop mode.
Don't know what to add, remove or change.

>>74806667
Dexed is really powerful, and it's free.
Comes with a lot of presets as well.
>>74810407
Add a lowpass filter to that synth. It stands out a bit too much dry.
>>74822761
Jag gillar lo-fi noise känslan
Trummorna passar inte dock och main synten kunde vart lite mer... "smutsig"? Dist, chorus eller vadsomhelst.
>>74831914
y
Well it's a start at least.
Change that snare to a more snappy trap snare.
The static guitar sound is a bit boring, so maybe chop it up and change the drum pattern to make it more alive and interesting? Rhythm man, rhythm.
>>74834816
The idea is there.
Drums need to hit way harder.
>>74838854
r/edmproduction and the Discord server (EDM Production. It's pretty big).

I'm finally back into producing after so long.

https://clyp.it/d4klm2w3

First thing I've made in a couple months, what do you guys think?

>>74839471
not him but the one i have is "renaissance axx", will see if its similar when i get home
do you have a download with all waves plugins, i got one but only a few are cracked.

>>74840873
I like this. Reminds me of Prodigy. I don't know how to put it but I was expecting it to "explode" around 1 minute mark. Still sounds great. Keep it up

>>74841072
One of these should have working links:
https://audioz.download/software/win/132269-download_waves-complete-v20170809-incl-patched-and-keygen-r2r.html
https://audioz.download/software/mac/132108-download_waves-complete-v9-august-7th-2017-mac.html
https://audioz.download/software/win/131811-download_waves-complete-20170725-win.html

Choose the newest version for your OS if possible.

how the fuck do I program breakbeats and shit in Renoise?

>>74841402
try taking a look at the manual, actually learning the daw helps

>>74841271
Thanks a lot man, appreciate it <3

>>74841402
join this https://discord.gg/7wagr
and ping bitsnake

What's good /prod/?

https://clyp.it/1i1hfgao

How's my shit? Post yours, I'll try to rate.

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>hear good sample on Bluetooth speaker
>Put headphones in to check the quality
>Drums panned all the way to the left

>>74805682
does anyone have amon tobin's sample pack

and are they willing to share?

>>74842968
early stereo age mixing is always retarded, just mono that shit down

>>74842999
That fucks with it and makes everything so squished though

>>74843036
still not as bad as 100% L or R drums

Is there some stuff I could read about the basics of sampling?

>>74843036
Are there any tricks to avoid this shit?
I thought I was doing it wrong or something.

>>74843145
not every stereo mix is mono-compatible, even though a true motown style mono sources to L,R or L+R mix technically should
there's not much to do except for eqing down the resulting overlaps or phasing problems

>>74843143
just fucking sample!


What part of learning by doing does NOBODY here understand?

>>74843501
But is there a book I can read before trying it? Something to learn the "theory" so I can sample properly. I want to adhere by the rules that all of the sampling greats have followed and operate within to understand every face of the logic they went though

have you guys ever sent a demo or something to a label?

how did it go?

>>74843847
>"wow this obscure tune from the 70s sounds great!"
>"imma steal this shit"
>3.4M views on youtube

>>74843847
>I want to adhere by the rules that all of the sampling greats have followed
the sampling greats were not "following rules" that's how they became the sampling greats. what is this hypothetical resource even going to teach you? how to ape other artists' styles with a sampler?

>>74844832
>>74844926
it was a joke

>>74842734
Not bad, reminds me a lot of Datakrash, check that out, same vibes.

>>74840873
this is me btw

>>74844805
Had a couple of my tracks signed on Plasmapool. Labels usually reply in my experience and if you have a good track they take it.

>>74805743
>God Tier
Sytrus

>>74815638
study songs you like, recreate them, learn to notice patterns etc, then use that when creating own songs with your own personal taste
or
music theory

>>74805682
Anyone have shitty experiences with vocalists?Share em.

>>74840653
Bump.

>>74846273
Used to be pretty good friends with this guy who knew I made music so he asked me to engineer his mixtape...

I still had fun but his lyrics were shit and he never practiced and somehow couldn't hear how off his flow was... meh.

I can't imagine ever meeting someone and actually believeing in their lyrics and abilities... this must be how romantic forever alones must feel :((((

>>74847147
I'm currently having the same situation, but they do have good pitch and voice. They write cheesy bad lyrics and finish recordings in 30 minutes. But has the balls to say our collaboration is a 50/50 participation. I make the beat, melodies, mix, master, record his voice, and master his voice. And he's still adamant that it's a 50/50 participation. He also gets these big ideas of making it big, making money, making a bunch of music videos. And it's like dude shut the fuck up we're nobodies and I don't care about fame. I just wanna make good music.

I've also had shitty experiences with rappers similar to this and not respecting the time and effort I put into making music and they try and take all the credit. Fuck vocalists. I'm sure they're good ones out there who respect others work, but in my experience fuck em.

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Hey /mu/, is there an FL Studio 12 guide for complete retards without a shred of musical talent?
I'm an artfag who wants to make music for my game and these past 2 days of trying to make my own songs have been nothing but trouble and agony. I will literally never talk bad about any kind of music when I'm done with this.

do you think a 13" macbook pro would stutter with a lot of shit going on? I have an i5 in my rig (about 3yo) and I get fucked by Serum. I just want to avoid computer issues so I can make music.

>>74850014
"Freeze" tracks or whatever your daws equivalent is

>>74849856
Did you even try YouTube or google yet

>>74850062
already do that in ableton. I really don't like bouncing until I'm ready to mix, that's why i'm ready to just get new hardware

https://clyp.it/xmj1mbuj

posted this here yesterday

cleaned the mix up a bit and recorded bass

gonna record the guitars tomowwowr and hopefully finish mixing

>>74850062
Yeah, I've been looking at tutorials for hours but nothing shows you how to make 3x OSC not sound like an organ. I'd like a piano sounding song or even something that sounds like strings.

is it possible to hide certain vsts from the fx list on reaper

i want to delete/uninstall a vst pack but dont want my older projects have missing vsts,

>>74849856
ableton has some better stock stuff for just a hobbyist imo

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>>74805682
HOW DO I SOUND LIKE NAV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmFm9Yp80dE

>>74850115
You can unfreeze though...

Or do you mean literally one instance of serum is fucking you? Then yeah something's not right

>>74850292
Then use something for piano and strings and not a synth

General synthesizer principals carry over between most. Look up how to make x sound in fl or with that synth and follow along to see what everything does

>>74850877
yeah, one instance. can't even think about 2. this is a i5 4690k.

>>74850870
>fly at a [10]
what does that mean?

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>first try at future bass
please be gentle
https://clyp.it/3a05evyn

>>74851080
high on beed

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Can I get some feedback on a track I'm working on? I've still got a lot of mixing and mastering to do so don't mind that part

https://soundcloud.com/misterbuddha/rapture2017-work-in-progress/s-XRnLa

>>74810407
very saucy bass i like
like the background noise
would be sick if you added vocals

>process each track individually, compress, eq with analog eqs to get the instruments tone
>freezee them
>have a cpu-light native eq over the frozen track cutting/boosting frequencies for the mix
who here

>>74813567
where's the drums

>>74821258
moar bass
find a different kick
needs chords

are there 808s with no musical note to it

>>74834816
more drums pleaseee this could be really great love the downpitched drums
dont know what the portamento thing is after the lady says everyones half dead, could use some help imo but overall nice

been taking a production class at the local community college. learned more in 2 weeks than i have in the past year. althoughhhhh i am retarded so i have to be spoon fed this shit. i would recommend it if your school offers it. luckily my school teaches on ableton

>>74806667
helm
tytel.org/helm

which of these 3 (left, right, center) filler tracks should i use on the mix

https://clyp.it/pq1nbl20

>>74850268

>>74851256
First of all, how dare you. Second, no

>>74851184
?

>>74850937
Okay that sounds like your laptops fucked for some other reason tho.

>>74846142
Your track is pretty dope, it sounds really professional. You should get it out there

>>74846142
>Plasmapool
Isn't this the most jewy label in EDM?
The one with impossibly restrictive contracts that almost forced Mord Fustang to start over because they wouldn't let him use his name or logo with other labels?

How was your contract?

logic vs ableton?

>>74853810
Ableton.

Nowadays with third party plugins being so good (which equalizes all the advantages by internal default instruments and effects), the only difference between daws is in their inner workings and their capabilities, and Ableton has a few things that allow for much more freedom than other DAWs,
For example their midi/instrument/audio-effect racks, which allow you to do a billion things that would just be impossible with other DAWs or require complex routings to achieve what you can do in two clicks with Ableton.

Or their "live effect" approach o midi, which is achieved by having a pretty barebones piano roll and putting all those features as devices you can insert before the instruments so you can automate parameters and change things in real time.

Or the ability to make and add plugins that are specifically made for Ableton thanks to Max4Live and its plethora of super useful and unique devices.

Or the sample manipulation capabilities, with their "warping features", the integration with the samplers, and the all-around ease with which you chop and manipulate samples.

Or the "session view", which allows you to have an extremely flexible workflow, quickly throw down ideas and loops, and do all those things you can't do on a timeline.

These are from the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.

TL;DR:
It can do basically what the other DAWs can, and much more.
Plus, it's compatible with both Mac and Windows.

>>74853810
If you're a beginner, pirating Ableton Suite is the way to go, since if you want to learn something and look for tutorials, chances are you'll find many in Ableton, but not necessarily in Logic.

>>74853810
Watch a few videos on ableton's audio effect racks and see how they work and what can you do with them.

You can duplicate the signal into a number of parallel new chains upon which you can apply different effects and switch between them, crossfade them, or rotate them between them with the chain selector (in instrument racks this lets you assign different instruments to different notes or groups of notes, which for ecample allows you to have different versions of the same sound for each octave and gradually crossfade them).
You can ise them to split the signal into M/S, L/R, and frequency bands, and apply different effects on each new chain, and do all these things at the same time, since you can also nest them one inside the other.
You can also use vocoders in new way because you can vocode a sound to itself at a different point of the chain (or at a different version of it).
You can AB many versions of something by simply putting it inside a rack and duplicating it.
This also makes layering incredibly easy and powerful because you can layer instruments and effects on a single track.

Also I forgot about drum racks, which are both an instrument rack and a drum machine/sampler that lets you assign a completely different instrument and effect chain to each slot (triggered by midi notes on a midi clip) and can be used for all sorts of sounds.

And each rack has 8 macro knobs that you can use to control all automatable parameters of it and of everything inside it with a precision you can set with a range.
This makes it so easy and fast to make complex automations by automating one single knob to move hundreds of knobs at the same time.

You can basically make your own effects by stacking and layering plugins and controlling them with the macros in a new "device" that you can now save and reuse.

Seriously, just watch a few videos on them because I can't explain how many things you can potentially do with them as well as a video showing you what they can do.

Is there any equivalent technique to "canvas flipping"? Do I need to worry about not hearing the music objectively by seeing it in process?

>>74854057
When it comes to the music itself (composition and arrangement) try and wait a few days and come back to it with fresh ears.
Don't forget to listen to it without looking at the project or its waveform. Just close your eyes and your perspective will be closer to that of a new listener.
It's not perfect but it's the best you can have AFAIK.

When it comes to mixing and the "production" side, try putting an EQ on the master to isolate certain areas of the spectrum to see if there's anything wrong that might've gone unnoticed because of the rest of the frequencies (super useful for checking the low end).
Then obviously listening to it on as many different speakers and headphones you can.
Also try flipping the stereo field.

>>74854125
could you move it to a random pitch and change the tempo maybe?

>>74854491
Yes people move the song up a note to do that... it adds artifacts that can make your song sound a lot worse though

>>74851102
that third chord really isn't working. Strong diminished flavor. It feels like you really abused those sevenths

>>74854491
Yes, I forgot about that.

Be careful though, because if you change pitch and tempo too much you end up completely changing the song's "essence", and what you discover after the changes might not translate to your actual song.

If your song allows for it (samples not lining up or effects going out of sync), then definitely do that.

>>74854526
well I meant in terms of the chords and rhythm and I'd probably just export it and change the pitch and speed in audacity, not in the DAW

>>74854546
Whatever works best for you.
Personally, I usually just put a pitch-shifter on the master to quickly check it a couple of semitones up or down, and constantly mess with the tempo during the composition phase.

>>74854573
yeah I haven't worked out all the bells and whistles yet. I wasn't even aware that was a thing in Ableton, so thanks.

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>>74854596
I don't usually use the Ableton one.
I use either the zplane elastique pitch or the waves soundshifter pitch (pic related).

>>74854057
Leaving the track alone for a week, or working on another track and going back to it

>>74854998
doesn't work with drawing. You can look at something you drew a year ago and your brain will still cuck you

>>74853744
Isnt this quite common? I read somewhere autechre is under some weird perpetual slave contract with warp

>>74855035
Not that I know of.
At least in EDM, where producers who don't have their own label usually release on a track-to-track basis under different labels, and those who stick with one aren't tied to it and release under other labels once in a while.

>>74855035
Labels are rapacious but then they're promoting you. If they give you an advance its a loan which is paid back by your share of sales after their profit take. The advance is for all expenses. Don't know what its like now but recently its possible for an artist to sell at least a hundred thousand albums and not see a cent because its going to the label and paying back the advance. Big acts make their money by touring. The last few years labels take a cut of that now too 'cause piracy.

>>74853744
Looks like you know your shit. I knew about this beforehand so I only signed my tracks, not my name as an artist.

>>74853744
Yeah all labels do that, they make you so they own you until you're worthless

>>74853395
Thank you! I will

>>74855099
Nice.
Did it give you significant exposure?

>>74855105
Not if you negotiate the contract.
Sadly most artist who get stuck into those contracts are poor and inexperienced, so they can't afford a lawyer to do that.

I wonder if some musician managed to get a lawyer to negotiate with the label, and pad for it with the advance money.

>>74855121
Nah, the only artist to have gotten that is Mord Fustang, there's a lot of other amazing artists on there that aren't being promoted. Look up Middle Milk for example. Froxic started Snareskin to get out of his contract as well. I'm finishing up my album which I'll try pitching to A-tier labels like OWSLA.

>>74855143
Damn, what do the artists on PP think of it (privately, assuming you talked to them)?
Do they say it's shit but necessary, or they like it for some reason?

>I'm finishing up my album which I'll try pitching to A-tier labels like OWSLA.
Wish you good luck my friend.

>>74855142
It used to be a five album deal, the only way to get out of it is to settle for $$$$, probably worse now. Thats why you see greatest hits / remastered albums a decade after a band was hot; they finally got out of their shit deal and own more of their music now so want to cash in.

>>74853939
>Being this excited about Ableton racks
Phaser we know it's you.
Nobody likes you here, so please stop posting and go away.

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>okay how can I make a track that wont sound like total shit this time
>preemptively give the project a pretentious title "Cross-Polynation"
>it still ends up sucking

>>74855167
Thank you!

>Damn, what do the artists on PP think of it (privately, assuming you talked to them)?
Do they say it's shit but necessary, or they like it for some reason?

Some of them care so they leave, others are too comfortable with it and too scared to step out of it and pitch shit to bigger fish so they stay. Personally, I like to aim high.

>>74855142
>Not if you negotiate the contract.
There will be some points you can win but the majority of it is way in the labels favour, and what do you do? Go to another equally unfair label deal?

It sounds very negative but there's a reason we all know how Taylor Swift and Kanye are and its not 'cause their music's better than the countless number of artists releasing albums every week

>>74855215
>others are too comfortable with it
Do they make good money or is their music like a side-project to them so they don't care?

>>74855225
They definitely don't make any money out of it.
Also, thing is, most of these people, if not all take their music very seriously. Middle Milk has a bigass studio, he studied audio engineering and music is his thing 24/7.

>>74855224
I don't doubt the contract will always be in the label's favor.
Just saying that it's possible to not have them own you if you negotiate it with them, by finding a middle ground.
For example they can take a huge cut of your profits but you can leave after two years, or something like that.

>>74855239
You don't hold a lot of leverage. The label will just say no, next.

>>74855235
Then why do they want to stay?
How do they make a living?
They DJ locally or have a day job?

>>74855248
Not true.
You can see it all over the place in EDM, where artists only sign their songs (like the guy ITT with PlasmaPool) and release on a different label each time.

>>74855249
>Then why do they want to stay?
They don't, they don't even think about it. They think good music will always find an audience no matter how it's promoted, something I don't agree with.

>How do they make a living?
They DJ locally or have a day job?

Some of them, Hypster DJ's around a lot, most peeps are either NEETs or students with a lot of free time.

>>74855266
Got it.
Thank you.

>>74855260
I don't know what that scene's like. Maybe one track is good for promotion, they won't be making money off it though

>>74855280
If you're not a big name you're not gonna make much with your releases either way, so it's better to make music for the promotion and make money from the gigs that come from it.

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what is the most famous piece of music ever produced by a /mu/tant?

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>>74855310
>tfw you can't hold a single note
MY VOICE NEVER LEFT PUBERTY

>>74855310
anything by deadmau5 probably

>>74855187
?
I just copypasted a post from another thread.

>>74855224
>Including Kanye to talk shit about

>>74855187
Phaser is an annoying dipshit but ableton racks are no joke. That faggot wasn't even using them right

>>74807023

SSL G bus, 2:1 ratio, longest attack, shortest release

>>74835782
>>download daw
>>load a bunch of virtual instruments
Any recommendations?

>>74855906
Start with Serum, FM8, Diva, Harmor, Korg M1, and Kontakt.

>>74855916
And where can I find these? Don't wanna pay for shit

>>74855951
http://fresh-stuff4u.com/
https://audioz.download/

For Harmor look for the Image Line bundle. It's usually in there.

>>74855187
Ah damn it, you got me.

>>74855518
>That faggot wasn't even using them right
How?

>>74854516
third as in third in the sequence of chords or as in the chord structure?

>>74852201
>>74852201
someone pls

is there a way of automatically syncing stuff to the tempo grid?

syncing to another track with vocalign/revoice fucks it up if the takes arent too similar p.ex. one has additional strums. besides they cause really noticeable stretched sounding parts

>>74856835
play on click

>>74856835
What DAW are you on?

>>74857119
reaper

>>74857018
too hard

>>74857526
lmgtfy.com/?q=reaper+audio+quantize

>>74856814
the third chord in the sequence. its acting more like a diminished chord than a major 7th

https://clyp.it/lxi1kuzl

Need help getting clarity on the mix.

I think overdubbed the acoustic guitar too much, was going an ELO layered sounding thing.

>>74859145
im not hearing an acoustic guitar but i like the track. cant tell about the mix without a reference tho

>>74859235
How does it sound otherwise? I have a really fuzzed out guitar and some shaker and tambourine in the second half.

is the organs (1:35 to end) fitting or annoying
https://clyp.it/cwz4mci2

>>74859332
I think its good, but change the part rhythmically and maybe change the preset and octave.


The guitar solo is probably more annoying desu.

>>74859304
ah now im hearing the acoustics, hardpanned to the sides
if you mean theres too many tracks of it, i think there is not

the fuzz guitar and the shakers sound ok

>>74859388
but its following the rhythm of the vocals/drums
im extending its notes so it sounds less percussive
is the guitar solo annoying just in tone or in essence?

>>74859516
To me it sounds like something you would get from some sort of "guitar solo maker" vst. I think changing the tone would help, but also playing less notes and allowing fewer notes to fill in the blanks and let the other parts breathe.

do professional mixers/producers not spend time splitting and cutting stuff, they just record and apply effects to each tracks? even on recent albums i hear background noise inbetween the songs, string noise from a track thats not playing anything etc

>>74859883
Maybe they do it on purpose.

>>74860298
yeah, thats most likely

As a beginner what would be more recommended? Ableton or FL Studio?

I want to start making stuff for fun (not studying or anything) which DAW is more beginner friendly?

I'll add I've tried Ableton and it's confusing for me but I've been able to cut clips/ do things easier in it than FL which I just got. But whichever I can have a more fun and better experience in I'd appreciate a rec.

>>74859388
https://clyp.it/vvruotpr