/metal/

First for Power Metal!

unironically like blacklodge

>>74797764
Who the fuck likes Blacklodge ironically?

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svartskog.blogspot.com

just found this blog randomly and it has tons of seriously kvlt shit for free, check it out

Recc me some dissoshit techdeath like Ulcerate and Mitochondrion

>>74797883
How many fucking black metal covers has the "knight on the horse" thing?

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>>74797950

>>74797970
too bad it got tainted by C*ttle Decap

>>74798101
How

>>74798115
their bassist said that was his favorite black metal records IIRC

>>74798101
I never understood the appeal of cattle decuckpitation its basically 1 minute deathcore

>>74798127
It's literally "deathgrind" that appeals to metalcore kids
>>74798120
Gesundrian isn't as good as Doom Cult anyway

>>74798127
baby's first deathcore and faux-slams

whatcha blasting /metal/? Rate it too.

pic related: 8.5/10

>>74798200
yes

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>>74798200

lol?

pic related is awesome. 9/10

>>74798200
Chelsea Wolfe's Pain Is Beauty - it's solid

>>74798200
just listened to south of heaven for the first time in literally over a decade
no idea what I was in for
as soon as that intro riff came on, instantly remembered how to play it and sang along to every damn track
apparently I been motorized all that shit
nostalgia is awesome!

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>>74797883
your blog is total shit
quit self advertising

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>grooves in odd time signatures

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>>74798469

I know folk black, but does folk death exist? Any recs?

>>74798649
Holy shit I forgot this band existed. I really liked their first album. thanks, anon.

>>74798665
Wintersun kind of

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>>74798200
It's pretty good. I'd give it like a 7.5/10

>>74798665

early Opeth?

>>74798713

yeah its a great album. one of my faves from Anaal Nathrak.

still haven't made my mind up on their newest album yet.

>>74798665
Early Amorphis?

>>74798665
Eluveitie, at least their first three albums

>>74798737
It definitely has some killer songs on it, but it does seem like a big departure from stuff on ItCotBW. Most notably the themes of the songs are a lot simpler it feels. I definitely think Depravity Favors the Bold, Hold Your Children Close and Pray for Oblivion, We Will Fucking Kill You, and Extavaganza! were solid though.

>>74798665
Blod draum has some weird folk shitting

>>74798774
Departure as in the last few albums have been kinda getting away from it thematically more, not just the new one.

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>>74797713
I also have one of these

why is every metal """"""news"""""" site so terrible. Its either like metalhammer or metalsucks were they only cover the bands that pay them, or its like Death Metal Underground where "everything sucks, no fun allowed, every band I dislike is -core"

what's op's album?

>>74798200
new Boris
two songs in, it's nice so far

>>74798953
There was a time I liked dudeweedao metal and followed the sludgelord and I think it was a good news source, amatour but at least he commented a lot of new releases in a sane way

>>74798665
Ensiferum maybe?

>>74798984
>I share a general with people that don't know Blacklodge
the absolute state of this general

>>74798984
Blacklodge - Solarkult, you absolute tourist

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i'm not sure what to make of this

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I didn't start this strawpoll but I've been keeping it going since I was curious. After about 24 hours these are the standings of the state of nu-/metal/.
>black metal lapping competition, securing its spot as majority genre with more than double the votes of the 2nd place contenders
>death metal has slightly pulled ahead of the previous three way tie between death-doom-heavy, but any of them are liable to overtake the other two for 2nd place again
>prog, power, thrash have small, devoted bases
>the absolute state of melodeath and folk

http://www.strawpoll.me/13790952/r

>>74799155
Fuggin black metal tourists, you are everywhere, I swear If I had a coin for every "I don't like metal but I like bm" I have heard I'd be a rich fuck

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this sucks

>>74799155
>classic heavy metal ahead of prog

absolutely disgusting

>>74799339
fuck off progeshitter

>>74799182
if you like bm but dont like metal, then you actually dont like bm either. only meme bands

>>74799422
exactly, and a lot of clowns spam muh ambientgaze forest rock for that exact reason

>>74799432
it's been absolutely minimal at best lately. most of the bm being posted was being contributed to the tourist filter chart

>>74799432
black metal is my favourite subgenre of metal, but tbqh i mostly like the first wave stuff. maybe ill start identifying as a speed metal fan instead to separate myself from the clowns

>>74799497
Who is first wave aside from Bathory?

>>74799513
from venom to blasphemy imho

>>74799513
early sodom and destruction, hell hammer, celtic frost, bulldozer. that kind of stuff. im not going to get into an argument over what is and what isnt black metal, but i think we can agree on blackened speed metal being an appropriate label to put on it.

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*blocks your path*

>>74799513
sodom and slayer

>>74799541
I always asked myself wtf was happening in europe at that time that spawned such early evil bands

>>74799552
i like to call haunting the chapel a black metal EP, triggers a lot of people

>>74799541
it's black metal. most of the old, greasy metalheads that lived through the period that I've talked to consider it black metal (but that doesn't also make them not thrash or speed, genre naming isn't mutually exclusive). the gist is that the norwegians didn't invent black metal ex nihilo, only codified modern conventions, so it sounds more convincing to modern internet sensibilities to call them first wave

>>74799555
Show No Mercy is first wave black metal

>>74799155
>all those black metal tourists

why is there a first wave bm and not an "official" first wave dm lol

>>74799587
first wave death would be kreator and early death

hey guys, look what i found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2EeYlOhY-Q
good ol' heavy

>>74799587
Because first wave death is just OSDM.

>>74799595
But It's not the same type of thing, "first wave bm" is a totally different genre from the rest of bm, while even Possessed was not too different from what later dm sounded like. I guess it's kreator and the other germans as well. Funny they invented bm and dm

>>74799566
>>74799569
yeah, the fact that thrash and black are in no way mutually exclusive is something i always i bring up whenever some genre autist wants to debate what is and what isnt black metal. i just wanted to point out that haunting the chapel is the "blackest" of all slayer releases. love the atmosphere and guitar tone on that EP

>>74799610
this. it really doesnt bring anything to the table to talk about first wave dm. it would also be very confusing as several of the bands that would be included under a first wave dm label also falls under the first wave bm label

>>74799553
(dmu is the only place i've seen that really examines metal in any historic-cultural context)

>>74799587
Because death metal didn't really go through waves much like black metal did. The genre was spawned in 1985 by Possessed, and by 1989 many of the formative albums that would propel the genre forward (Altars Of Madness, Realm Of Chaos, Severed Survival) had came out. With black metal there was far more of a disconnect. I subscribe to the theory that Venom started the genre with their debut Welcome To Hell, some don't consider it black metal and see it as just a sloppy speed metal album, I see it as more than that. From then on black metal as a genre would go through weird developments. Hellhammer released a few demos in 1983 which presented a taste of what was to come in the genre, Triumph Of Death is a demo that's equal parts punk and metal with throaty grunts that add the blackened edge to the music (alongside the very punch production values). By 1984 Apokalyptic Raids came out and you had the basis for whatmany of the more bestial bands in the genre would attempt to do. Bathory's self titled in 1983 was Venom what Venom was to Motorhead, and albums like The Return and UTSOTBM pushed the envelope even further. You could argue that black metal reach its pure conception with 1985's The Return which sounds like a thrashier version of what bands like Gorgoroth would do in the 90's. What really separates black metal from death metal in this style is the lack of a real concrete point of conception. As I said earlier, it's very cut and dry that 1985 was when death metal first spawned and 89 was when the genre became its own. Black metal took over a decade to become its own real thing and it's harder to pinpoint a black metal equivalent to 1989. 1992 might be a good year to ballpark when black metal truly became its own separate entity from genres like speed and thrash (Darkthrone's debut black metal album, Burzum debut, Immortal debut, Marduk debut) but even then albums like Worship Him and Ritual came out the year prior.

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>>74799727
To just conclude everything I said in a more concise manor, death metal became its own thing with far less trouble than black metal did. You had albums like Strappado, Ritually Abused, Scream Bloody Gore, and Rotten Church which came between 1985 and 1989 that all had death metal elements but still had a very thrash edge to them. You can look at an album like Realm Of Chaos by Bolt Thrower and see that as a pure death metal affair, it shed behind all the primordial thrash influences found in earlier death metal acts to become its own entity, same with albums like Consuming Impulse and Severed Survival. Even though black metal had been around a lot longer than death metal at this point, it never really came to its own like death metal did, even Bathory still had a hint of thrash in their sound on Blood Fire Death. Then when you consider all the bands that just tweaked with the formula while not quite getting there like Tormentor, Sarcofago (and most Brazilian thrash at the time), Root, Sabbat, Evil Blood, Mayhem on Deathcrush, Sodom, Blasphemy, and so on,it's easy to see why black metal's 1st wave was far more substantial than death metal's in retrospect.

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That fuzzy transitory period between first wave and Norwegian bm actualizing itself is so comfy.

>>74799848
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI1ItXX3QV0

PAY TO BE BORN

PAY TO DIE

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I love Electric Wizard and Sleep. Where do I go next?
>inb4 nu-male meme shit

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>>74799949

>>74799949
*googles stoner doom*
*set for a month*

>>74799330
This looks like some Job For A Cowboy shit.

what's spawned more clones, Blaspherit or Immocantation?

>>74800054
Blaspherit, since they have an entire genre dedicated to them.

>>74800054
Blaspherit due to the fact that clones have been popping up for far longer. Caverncore only ever really took off after Portal started doing it and even then it only became prevalent this decade when the OSDM revival went into full swing. There are more Dismentombed clones than there are Immocantation ones. Meanwhile war metal has had a steady stream of releases since its inception. Bands like Revenge, Black Witchery, and Proclamation spread it to a wider audience and there's no shortage of bands trying to follow in their footsteps.

>>74799727
>>74799805
interesting stuff, thanks

>>74800006
it is

>>74799974
>>74799998
Thanks guys, very helpful

>nearly 5 million views
Where the fuck do these bands even come from? I swear to god it's like overnight that some generic band with a female vocalist suddenly shows up on youtube with a couple million of views despite the fact that no one ever talks about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHA0H8peZ0

>>74800161
literally go on stoner meadow of doom you sucker

>>74800166
SHUT
IT
DOWN

>>74800166
what the fuck is this trite

>>74799974
I'm still pissed that whoever made this never put on The Satanist by Behemoth. Anyone who was around when it came out remembers how badly everyone shilled that album, it was basically the death metal equivalent to Sunbather.

>>74800166
cursory search shows they're on the same label as Dragonforce, Van Canto, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius and other such cheese. that's probably why

>>74800166
Lmao these guys have more views than 80% of the bands /metal/ constantly talks about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIedr_9_9hA

>>74800243
is that supposed to be a bad thing at all or something

>>74800166
This is like really really bad
>>74800208
True. I always asked myself what people found in behemoth, especially since they became le ebin fedora laveyan philososhitters with token vocals (the satanist)

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>>74798200

>>74800166
>Vocalist does generic mid-range screams
>Not bad but nothing special
>BUT
>She has no dick
>Check the comments
>Best vocalist ever

EVERY
SINGLE
FUCKING
TIME

>>74798775
disagree, that album is more blackened death

>>74799610
Bestial Devastation =/= Left Hand Path, and you have to be a retard not to consider LHP OSDM.

First wave dm exists, separate from what we usually call OSDM, it's just that it exists in this weird superposition of death, thrash and even black.

>>74800396
well isn't first wave bm kinda in that same position as well

>>74800409
No, it's far less brutal and less diluted. Its ties to Vemon and Bathory are stronger and more defined.

>>74800396
As this guy said, >>74799727 >>74799805, death metal didn't really come in distinct waves like black metal did. Sure, you could say that Sepultura, Slaughter, Poison, Necrovore, etc were "first wave death", but since it didn't take long from the genres earliest pioneers to rise from brutal thrash metal, to death metal be fully realized (max around 3-4 years) it doesn't make sense to class it as a "wave".

i just call what could be understood as "first-wave dm" proto-death

>>74799949

Burning Witch
Pilgrim
Bell Witch
Khanate
Thorrs Hammer
Rameses
Cough
Windhand

>>74800166
>open up the link
>realize i dont have speakers plugged in
>probably for the better

>>74800274
>>74800208

You do realise the irony of this chart is most of these albums are good albums, right?

Whoever made it took food albums and called them nu-male core to troll the threads we had last year.

if you actually believe any of these are bad you're doing it wrong.

>>74799949

>electric wizard
>sleep

tourist, hipster, numale, etc

>>74800506
I understand that; death metal's development was fast and there's little space between the pioneers (that is, first wave) and the bands that established the sound definitely 1989-1991, but there WAS a distinct first wave, which is my point. Short-lived and quickly evolving? Sure, but not non-existent.
>>74800537
But proto-death is not death metal, by definition. First wave is. Personally I don't consider Possessed's Seven Churches to be death metal, at least no more so than Morbid Tales or Endless Pain. That would be proto-death.

>>74800600
>Rust In Peace, Obscura, Le Dernier Crepuscule, and In The Nightside Eclipse
Wow you're right most of these albums are good

>>74800600
The point was never that the albums were bad. I don't understand why people keep thinking that. The point is that they're the kind of albums that, demonstrably, numales gravitate towards.

Also a lot of the albums are just bad, but that's peanuts.

>>74800600
Of course I don't judge the albums in the chart because of the pink shit and the image, any sane person wouldn't do, but the memeing about deafhaven and the satanist was basically the same but the satanist wasn't put in

>>74799949
Kyuss
Bogripper
Ufomammut

good Youtube channels
Bong Druid of Mammoth.....
Stoned Meadow of Doom
666mrdoom

There's hundreds of good single album doom band gems. There's other stuff like heavy blues and psych too if you don't hate it.

guys im going to let you in on a secret, hopefully this will be informative to all of you and help us make this a better general. you know those charts people post, such as this >>74799974 ?

you see, those are made specifically to illicit a reaction from you. i cant believe how many people actual;ly respond to those charts with comments like "wtf why is ____ on there???"

>>74800600
>Thou is good
>Ghost is good
>Ghostbath is good

But quality is besides the point. It's supposed to be a nu-males taste in metal. No one says that a nu-male can occasionally like a good album.

>>74800709
wow you're so knowledgeable and in the know with this level 1 meta

>>74800694
>good single album doom band gems.
Stoner, or that death-derived doom à la early Katatonia? If it's the former, give us some names. I have plenty of the latter.
>>74800709
>guys im going to let you in on a secret
>it's obvious shit that everyone but tourists already know
wow dude you have the most amazing powers of observation

>>74800600
It's not that they're explicitly bad, but they're pretty much all either relevant entry level stuff like Rust In Peace or Trendkill that a tourist would listen to alongside "experimental" albums and atmoshit because they're critically acclaimed by shitfork and metalcucks.

>>74800166
>Genre: Melodic Death Metal
>""""Death Metal""""
fucking H O W

>>74800726
>>74800734

it should be obvious but people fall for it every time so it apparently isnt

>>74800709
wow thanks! It's not like I haven't seen the chart 38279827227 times and just discussed it for the sake of discussion, It's totally because I'm baffled by his novelty!

is based melodeath hating sperg at it again?

>>74800166
>Where the fuck do these bands even come from?
The power of (mediocre) tits in a 99.9% male dominated scene

>>74800740
they label coreshit death metal, not surprising

>>74800749
Tourists

>>74800752
>meloshit being good
>ever
dude stop there is no "melodeath hating sperg", it's just that melo"meal" is actually horse manure

>>74800772
It's barely even coreshit either
Basically radio rawk with screams and lower-tuned guitars

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>>74800772
does /mu/ like death metal?

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>>74798200
8.3/10

>>74800789
There certainly IS a melodeath hating sperg. He's the one posting all that copypasta in the previous thread. Even if it's not the same dude, it's the same attitude and some of the same copypasta from threads gone by. Someone has a personal grudge against the style.

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>>74798200
8.7/10 but wish it were more melodic

melodeath actually does suck though

>>74800794
If beyonce did growls they would label it death metal I would bet a foot on it

>>74800819

>pill bugs

not very brutal

>>74800734
The first album isn't quite stoner doom but its my personal album of the year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnSDwVZC7iY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc71A4_MguQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI4saZ4zlro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAoqqT68dH4&t=85s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOp2IxsdCBU&t=641s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efe90vwKy4c&t=85s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieg7GzrrtsE&t=205s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9OIMMcYWto

let the numale (You)s roll in

>>74799148
Sounds kinda like Nightwish most of the time.

>>74799155
S E V E N M E L O S H I T S

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>>74800840
Pill bugs are metal as fuck. They're not even bugs. In fact the only isopode to be more metal is its FUCKOFF GIANT cousin

Are we going back to /melodeath hate/?

>>74800819
Now there's an actual good example of melodeath/gothemburg

>>74800893
sounds about fucking time

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>riff starts
>riff stops
>"GO"
>riff resumes
Meloshitters are never going to be able to live this down

>>74800893
>>74800913
It'll die down and a month from now we'll be praising The Gallery and Lost In The Beauty You Slay all over again. You included. It's happened before and it'll happen agian.

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>>74800956
Is there an end to this madness

i've literally never praised an in flames or dark tranquility recording

What are some absolute classics that might have slipped my mind, I mean stuff like Acid Bath, Sleep, Electric Wizard.

I'm really not /metal/ educated so pretty much anything goes, as long as it's within the style that I mentioned.

>>74800945
What is there to "live down", though? Why does that bit bothers everyone so much? How is that no more retarded than "riff riff riff, sudden stop, longwinded halfarsed growl while someone strangles a guitar as if trying to rip the whammy bar off in the back in lieu of a solo" that's everywhere in death metal?

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>>74801004
>absolute classics
>Acid Bath, Sleep, Electric Wizard.
are you being facetious

>>74800996
Never. This general is madness, and you are mad for being here.

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>>74801005
>this is a melosubhuman's idea of a comeback

>>74801004
Seriously, Kyuss.
Also, Acid Bath is kinda just propped up by one sick ass song and is otherwise kind of a meme IMO.
Melvins are apex sludge.

>>74800956
Just like how /metal/ now praises bands like Alcest, Ghost Bath and Lantlos? Or how we hold Limp Bizkit and Korn in high esteem? How about the fact that /metal/ absolutely adores Dream Theater and Circus Maximus? Maybe you forgot about how much love djent and deathcore get around here?
Face it, melodeath is always going to get shit for being an awful genre that tries making cash off of the death metal and hard rock crowd. Last night wasn't even the first time /metal/ exploded into a melodeath hating frenzy, melodeath has always been reviled here. Just because some people like Blood Stained Child and Dark Tranquility does't change the fact that /metal/ hates melodeath (minus Arghoslent and Intestine Baalism of course).

>>74801022
>now here's a question
>U-UH UUUH LOL UR MELODEAF FAGET XDD
It's not a comeback you paranoid fuck. It's a question: Answer it.

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bully tourists
bully glamshits
bully meloshits
make nu-/metal/ metal again

>>74801005
Stopping the entire momentum of the song to yell "GO" reveals the true colors of the band, that they're trying to make edgy stadium rock with half-assed grunts so they can fit in with the metal crowd. At least the strawmanned example you gave actually fits in thematically with what a death metal song should try to achieve.

>>74801032
>shilling arghoslent this hard

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>>74801036
>the melosllime writhes in pain as he gets destroyed by a deathalpha
pic related is what the average death metal fan looks like, 7 feet tall, swole as fuck and two bitches on his side

>>74801019
>>74801029
Black metal fags need not reply. Stick to your general.

Is Tosin Abasi meloshit :.( ?

>>74801075
check again because this literally is that general >>74799155

>>74801081
he's cuckcore. only leftist nu-males who will never see a vagina or lift a weight in their life listen to djent

>>74801032
>Just like how /metal/ now praises bands like Alcest, etc
They do
>how we hold Limp Bizkit and Korn in high esteem?
a) we're talking about good music
b) you don't have to search far and wide to find a good number of mallcore defenders
>Maybe you forgot about how much love djent and deathcore get around here?
Maybe YOU have forgotten how djent was the absolute talk of the general three years ago and how deathcore gets discussed regularly
>Face it, melodeath is always going to get shit
I recall entire threads of people redeeming the swedish classic albums 1991-1995, not to menton the finnish scene.
>awful genre that tries making cash off of the death metal and hard rock crowd
That's entirely a 200s phenomenon. You could place blame on SotS for spawning all those shitty "lol wer extrm" bands, but that's not the same as equaling their music to the shit they inspired.
>Last night wasn't even the first time /metal/ exploded into a melodeath hating
Everything on this board is cyclic. People hate something today and praise it the next. Have you forgotten about the entire month where Written In Waters was shat on, and how only two or three months back Ulver was the butt of every joke? Are you seriously this much of a tourist?
Everything else you said are opinions. Opinions formed on having experienced this general for two, three months tops.

>>74801064
>avoiding the question like a champ
I'm not even a melodeath fan. I voted black metal.
>implying you could ever be the man in that picture, btw

>>74801088
I love his first 2 albums.
Live in da pussy mayne.

>>74801083
You know that if an actually fair poll would be done "1st wave black" and "2nd wave black" would be separete genres I hope

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>>74801095
It's all a pendulum of contrarianism acting and reacting according to the dominant modes of the zeitgeist.

>>74801128
and 2nd wave would win, lol

>>74801075
im not one. I just don't think acidbath was an essential band.

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>>74801128
>yfw first wave black gets less votes than meloshit

>>74801131
That's my point, yes

>>74801055
So you're responding a strawman with another one? Cool beans ma'dude.
>>74801032
>Face it, melodeath is always going to get shit
t. tourist

We spent a considerable amount of threads creating and sharing an essential melodic death metal chart, not a week ago. Are you all seriously this fucking oblivious?

>>74800880
People are now voting melodeath just for the memes.

who are those """people"""" that didn't vote black/death/doom/heavy desu

>>74801183
Contrarians and glamfags trying to shit the poll's results because their "metal" genre wasn't included

>want to like melodeath
>not a third worlder
It's not fair bros.

>>74801095
I can not remember the last time someone posted Alcest in a thread here without getting laughed at for having shit taste. Also
>a) we're talking about good music
Ironic how you rag on me for making claims that are just opinions when you just did that yourself. Just because Limp Bizkit is the butt of every nu-metal joke doesn't disregard the fact that blanketly calling them bad is still an opinion nonetheless.
>Maybe YOU have forgotten how djent was the absolute talk of the general three years ago and how deathcore gets discussed regularly
Djentspammer does not count as being the "talk of the general". We've always had underaged core kids come in asking for bands like Volumes and Whitechapel, they get laughed at, they leave.
>You could place blame on SotS for spawning all those shitty "lol wer extrm" bands, but that's not the same as equaling their music to the shit they inspired.
I can and I will. Early In Flames and Dark Tranquility might not have the the whole screaming on the verse/singing on the chorus style they'd adopt later but melodeath was always founded on playing hard rock riffs with death metal vocals. It might not be as bad as what bands like Disarmonia Mundi and Sonic Syndicate do now but it's the same in spirit.
>Everything on this board is cyclic. People hate something today and praise it the next. Have you forgotten about the entire month where Written In Waters was shat on, and how only two or three months back Ulver was the butt of every joke? Are you seriously this much of a tourist?
Some opinions stay and some go. There's a different between meming for the sake of it and actually hating something. You're never going to see this general praise an album like Sunbather because hating it is an opinion actually shared by most sane metal fans, people were just meming with Written In Waters and Ulver, just like when that one Lich King fan tried memeing the whole black metal sucks shit. For the most part, the melodeath hate is genuine.

>>74799155
I think the more surprising part is the 4 votes for Folk

>>74801188
i'm pretty sure glamfags voted for "heavy"

>>74801228
>literally 4 guys in a hut
the contrarian in me finds it comfy and supports their cause

>>74801219
>he fell for the sunbather is bad meme

>>74801163
There's also a glam essentials chart. I remember people shitting on that melomeal chart every time it gets posted.

>>74801249
>he thinks "sunbather is bad" is a meme

>>74801249
how many tourist levels are you on right now

melodeath is shit
prove me wrong
protip: you can't

>>74801295
a) can't prove opinions wrong
b) burden of proof is on you

ooooh boy, people will start shitting on the red in the sky is ours any moment now and that'll be the end of an era

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>>74801250
was that the chart that pretty much had every hard rock rock band from the 80s, or the more thought out charts.

>>74801321
this one >>74799548

The Red in the Sky is Ours fucking sucks

>>74801316
/metal/ never liked anything by at the gays

>>74801250
>I remember people shitting on that melomeal chart every time it gets posted.
Please don't lie when we have an archive.

Red in the Sky is the logical conclusion to metal. As the literature after Plato are footnotes to his contributions, everything thereafter Red in the Sky are mere footnotes to it.

>>74801358
/metal/ never liked you

>darkthrone

fucking hate melodic death metal like Dismember and Demigod

>>74797713
wat album is t hat in the op

>>74801439
Blacklodge - Solarkult

>>74801439
Dark Tranquility - The Gallery

>>74801439
fuck off tourist

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>>74799548
Essential stuck in the 80s

>>74801439
At the Gallery - Dark Sky is North From Flames

>>74801401
don't you dare

>>74801439
iron priest - turboslave

>>74801414
>Earache literally shilled the hell out of Heartwork when it first came out because they thought it would be accessible to people who don't normally like death metal.
That has no weight on the band and the music itself. Labels will try to peddle anything, regardless of artistic merit.
>I like my death metal to be death metal
>no true scotsman
> I like death metal because it's ugly, I don't want excessive melody trying to pretty it up for an uninitiated audience.
Again, opinions, not valid critique.
>You'll find lots of people praising anything.
This is avoiding the issue like american stay-at-home moms avoid vaccines. It's literally nothing: Air. Let's avoid praising literally anything that has ever gotten any praise. Slippery slopes and hand-waving almost always go hand in hand.
>Plenty of people praise electronicore like Attack Attack and Asking Alexandria, guess I should like them unless I want to seem like a contrarian.
False dichotomy. Those bands are rarely even mentioned, not even considered metal, while gothemburg and related melodic death metal has been a mainstay since pretty much always. Again, the way your main point seems to be "everyone here has always hated it!!" can only lead to the conclusion that you're an utter tourist.

more like dorkthrone and borezum lmao

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>>74801414
>uninitiated audience

>>74801455
thx anon

>>74801471
make me u lil slut

>>74801552
more like CELTICTHRONE and BATHORZUM lmao

>>74801550
labels would be nice

>>74801586
Here's a label for ya: "Tourist"

>>74801562
>among the tipping
>only one tipper

>>74801586
at the tourist - the tourist in the sky is ours

>>74801550
if ya can't name at least 10 albums from this chart then ya a tourist and ya need to finna leave

>>74801618
>need to finna
...what?

>>74801514
>Again, opinions, not valid critique.
Everything you're ever going to talk about regarding music minus the technical components of the music itself will fall under opinion. Saying you like or dislike X is an opinion, saying you prefer X to Y is an opinion. You might as well just respond to everyone who posts a band they like in this thread with "That's just an opinion man, not a valid critique." I acknowledged that what I was saying was an opinion, in my opinion death metal should be filthy and brutal. That's how I like my death metal to sound, this is my opinion, I will enforce that opinion even though I acknowledge it as my own.
>This is avoiding the issue like american stay-at-home moms avoid vaccines. It's literally nothing: Air. Let's avoid praising literally anything that has ever gotten any praise. Slippery slopes and hand-waving almost always go hand in hand.
The "issue" was that you want to make it seem like melodeath is automatically a good genre just because a lot of people praise it which is an opinion of itself. I'm not avoiding the issue by mentioning how basically anything which is decently popular will receive praise, I explained why I feel melodeath is shit, all you had to say was "Well look at all these people who like it what about that huh?" In YOUR opinion it's good, in MY opinion it's shit. At least I'm not falling back to the lazy appeal to popularity excuse that you are for explaining why you think it's good.
>False dichotomy. Those bands are rarely even mentioned, not even considered metal, while gothemburg and related melodic death metal has been a mainstay since pretty much always. Again, the way your main point seems to be "everyone here has always hated it!!" can only lead to the conclusion that you're an utter tourist.
Then how about I talk about bands like Pantera and Gojira? Bands that are undisputedly metal who receive massive praise yet constantly get shit on here in /metal/.

>>74801636
hello ya finna tourist

>>74801618
>need to finna
ooga booga to you too

>>74801618
>"I speak like a black because it makes me cool, mom!"

melodeath>first wave black>osdm>second wave black

Iron maiden used to be fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jkREP29170

>>74801656
>>74801663
ya seethe

>>74801618
>when you're literal black

>people will now defend melodeath despite not caring about it before because reaction

>>74801651
I ended up getting past the post limit but I'd like to finish.
Lots of things change in /metal/, there have always been people here who hated melodeath. I was one of them. There also used to be a time when /metal/ threads were infested with tripfags and I can't even remember the last time I saw Preacher. There's always been an elitist undercurrent to /metal/.

>>74801618
Yeah I totally heard all those obscure demos
When I was in grade school, no less

>I was gone for a week days and now tourist is the new nu-male
You guys work quick

>>74801651
>You might as well just respond to everyone who posts a band they like in this thread with "That's just an opinion man, not a valid critique."
Oh, just like you
>I will enforce that opinion even though I acknowledge it as my own.
And it'll be dully discarted.
>The "issue" was that you want to make it seem like melodeath is automatically a good genre just because a lot of people praise it which is an opinion of itself
> all you had to say was "Well look at all these people who like it what about that huh?"
No. You were the one putting weigh on the whole "praise" thing. And I'm not trying to make it automatically good. I even gave punctual exampels and dates for when melodeath and gothemburg were actually good. Do you think I'm going to defend shit like Soundtrack For Your Escape, Wages Of Sin or whatever Soilwork album you care to name because I can't even name one? I'm talking about a specific, rather short-lived period, in northern and mainland europe, that spawned classic after classic of the style, which will remain classics and will remain quality music whether you care about it or not.
>Then how about I talk about bands like Pantera and Gojira? Bands that are undisputedly metal who receive massive praise yet constantly get shit on here in /metal/.
Those are pretty standard love-them-today-hate-them-tomorrow bands. It also happens to most 2nd wave black metal, american thrash and wanky stuff from Necrophagist and Gorguts all the way to Portal and Ulcerate. That's just the swinging nature of the board and is hardly ever motive to give rise to this level of divisiveness (which, again, in this instance, is just the result of one dude posting SotS as a joke three or four generals ago, and this >>74799155 fucking poll)

>>74801730
t. nu male

>>74801280

not that anon, but Sunbather is a good album, just not the be all and end all of bm.

It just happens to attracts lot of people who don't usually enjoy bm. if it gets people enjoying bm, what's the issue?

>>74801693
>There's always been an elitist undercurrent to /metal/.
althought nu-/metal/ may have lost its way, the elitism has been a thing since Climaxia and the old black metal trips, before /metal/ was even a thing.

>>74801550
Favorite album from this chart?
Mine would probably be Dethrone or Katharsis'.

>>74801730
tourist is the nu-male that nu-males use

>>74801693
>there have always been people here who hated melodeath
And there have always been people here who liked it. I'm one of them. And no, I didn't vote for it. I voted black.

>>74801769
Forest Poetry, Final Holocaust, Satanic Rites all standards but there's a lot of gems on it

>>74801776
t. tourist trying to overturn the meme before it's too late

>>74801762
>74801762
it doesn't get people enjoying black metal. i hate you muh gateway fags so much,i rreally do

>>74801762
>if it gets people enjoying bm, what's the issue?
Because for the most part this is not the case.

>>74801762
Personally I think it's just inoffensive and saccharine like a vanilla bean frap or something and I'd rather just listen to actual screamo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4bB5-uUeCw

>>74801769
Sort Vokter - Folkloric Necro Metal
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Mortuary Drape - All The Witches Dance
Moelsted - Blod-Draum
Master's Hammer - Ritual
Massacra - Final Holocaust
Hellhammer - Satanic Rites
Blood - Impulse To Destroy
Ildjarn - Forest Poetry
Poison - Into The Abyss

Also lol I love how I C M made it to the chart. Anyone have it?

>>74801762
If you tell me Mayhem or Burzum might be a good start for people looking to get into rawer black metal I wouldn't argue against it. But with shoegazed screamo it's not the case, they just get into more blackgaze.

>>74801762
because they don't like bm, they like forest rock

>>74801874
not even that

>>74801757
>I'm talking about a specific, rather short-lived period, in northern and mainland europe, that spawned classic after classic of the style, which will remain classics and will remain quality music whether you care about it or not
Yet you'll never explain as to why they're classic and why they're quality music. You're just falling back on the whole "A lot of people like them therefor they're good" excuse and don't pretend like that hasn't been what you've been doing. You've never given one (ONE) actual example as to why albums like North From Here, The Gallery, A Bloodred Path, or Blood From Stone (I don't even know what specific albums you like I'm just throwing random ones out there) are classics. I at least explained why I dislike melodeath, it's not as heavy as I'd like my death metal to be, I'd rather listen to actual heavy metal that plays the riffs correctly that most melodeath bands fail at doing. Actually explain your point beyond relying on platitudes about how they're classics because people like them or fuck off.
Those are pretty standard love-them-today-hate-them-tomorrow bands. It also happens to most 2nd wave black metal, american thrash and wanky stuff from Necrophagist and Gorguts all the way to Portal and Ulcerate.
What's ironic about this is that, if we go by the logic you use to defend the melodeath classics you mentioned beforehand, all of these bands and styles of music you mentioned are "classics which will remain quality msuic whether you care about it or not." Plenty of people have been listening to Pantera since the early 90's, people are still waiting for a new Necrophagist album, autists will still clamor over lofi black metal from the 90s and plenty of metal fans will cite the Bay Area thrash movement as the peak for metal as a genre. Melodeath is far more of a "love-them-today-hate-them-tomorrow" genre than American thrash or 2WBM is.

>>74801893
you know it really gets on my nerves how these people are always ready to spout shit to sound knowledgeable about metal history and go like "metal today sucks, try [insert token ambientgaze]"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nI8LRO_Enk

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How does /metal/ feel about this album?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1knk7R-s3gg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JruuMkV0gM

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Metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbdaetHeB8k

>>74802006
too hipster

Can someone rec me some viking metal?

>>74802052
No because it's not a real genre

>>74802052
Thunder of the Thunder God

>>74802052
Tyr, Tau Cross, post-Hammerheart Bathory, Graveland, Enslaved, the list goes on and on

>>74802052
listen to hammerheart then get out

>>74802059
Ok then just rec me some metal that sings about vikings

>>74802089
Led Zeppelin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNhD0oS5pk

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BM logic:
>"yeah we're ultra-nationalist, traditionalist and bla bla bla"
>kill Euronymous
>burn Christian churches
>simply psychopath/retarded behavior like nearly killing a girl with an axe
>suicide count almost on grunge level

Will the four folkfags ever post some god-tier obscure folk metal tunes?

>>74802035
The ending section to Beyond Humanity floored me the first few times I heard it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWzd3wd9-Qk

>>74802107
>simply psychopath/retarded behavior like nearly killing a girl with an axe
Literally a rumor like how Nattramn cut off his hands and replaced them with pig feet.

>>74801949
>Yet you'll never explain as to why they're classic and why they're quality music.
What's the point? You've already established that this is all opinion and that it doesn't matter beyond your own personal worldview. Am I to change your mind citing examples and saying "they're good becuase this or that"? Am I not to expect you to reply with "yea well that's all shit and it's why I hate it"?
>You've never given one (ONE) actual example as to why albums like [...] are classics
It seems like you're trying to get me to say the magic words "because they're hailed as classics and people from all walks of metal like them!" so that you can throw your "LOL OPINIONS" stopper once again.
>Actually explain your point beyond relying on platitudes about how they're classics because people like them or fuck off.
Oh wait, there it is.
>What's ironic about this is that[...]
How can you not see that that was my point

Bottom line is that the melodic death metal products of the early-to-mid 90s are just as greatly composed, imaginative and hard banging (back then) as their contemporary "pure" (whatever that means) death metal counterparts. They managed to integrate melody to brutality without compromising either, and brought an original and influential sound to the extreme metal palette. The sound is immediately recognised, whether we're talking about the first handful of albums that were more brutal (like The Red In The Sky[..]) or the decidedly more thrashy and polished offerings nearing the mid 90s (like The Dawn Of Flames). The sound is not a product of their time like the basically non-metal that followed (think Soilwork of post-1997 In Flames) and remains fresh and interesting to this day, much like other swedish and european OSDM classics like Dark Recollections or Consuming Impulse, except they represent a less brutal, much more tonal and diatonic approach. One could compare the former with Venom and the later with Iron Maiden, both perfectly good NWOBHM bands.

>>74802107
>kill Euronymous
>burn Christian churches
Nothing wrong with that
>simply psychopath/retarded behavior like nearly killing a girl with an axe
Not really genre specific
>suicide count almost on grunge level
[citation needed]

>>74802107
i have a good varg pasta:

(((Varg))) Exposed

Quick Rundown on Louis Cachet

>Varg Vikernes. (Birth name was unironically Christian Vikernes.)
>Raised in Iraq in the 80s because his family illegally oversaw Chemical Weapons Research for Saddam Hussein during the Iraq-Iran War; Varg personally met Saddam Hussein and said he was a role model growing up
>Joined the larp scene in Norway as a teenager
>killed his best friend because he looked at him wrong.
>burned churches and UNESCO monuments
>gets sentenced to lul norway prison for like 14 years
>meanwhile in America he would have gotten death penalty
>becomes a nazi in prison
>attempts to break out of prison, and robs a car at gun point
>gets caught and sent back to prison, only gets slap on the wrist
>gets out of prison
>Abandons his 13 year old daughter he fathered in a degenerate black metal party. Doesn't even have contact with her, or attempts to have contact with her. Literally caused a single mother
>abandoned by all family, and friends.
>literally marries a diagnosed autist in France
>Takes her last name, and moves to a cuckshed in the middle of nowhere in France. Now legally known as "Louis Cachet"
>Refuses to learn his host country's language, instead abusing their immigration laws. He can't even talk to his wife, outside of some broken English phrases she was forced to learn
>Literally lives off welfare, and has 5+ little baby money makers to keep the flow coming in
>Makes shitty youtube videos about how Italians are negroid, and why autism is genetically superior or why blue eyes makes me not go blind in the snow
>worshiped by "le deus vult" magapede larpers on 4chins for some unknown reason
>doesn't even make music anymore because he has to live in a hut and pretend its -3000 BCE to feel like a man
>no accepting the fact he is a complete loser, who knows nothing, and is a far-right maniac LITERAL MURDERER WHO STILL SAYS HE DID THE RIGHT THING BY KILLING HIS BEST FRIEND

>>74802142
>how Nattramn cut off his hands and replaced them with pig feet.
I love that because it was just a fucking photoshoot and whoever spread the rumour seem to think that you can just do that: Cut your hands off and put animal hooves, sew them on and it'll heal perfectly instead of falling off and having you die of an infection three days later.

a: your opinion is subjective
b: every non-quantifiable position starts from subjectivity but this doesn't mean you can't substantiate your claim
a: why should i tho it's subjective lol

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>Folk metal

>>74802171
Vikernes confirmed for nigger

Also he's an exception, dude, don't try to make the norwegian prison system sound like a joke, because it's one of the most effective corrective institutions in the world. They just were a bit over their head with Mr. Varg "I literally act like a black panther" Vikernes

>death metal taking the 2nd place behind black metal
feelsgood

>>74802195
I bet you think you actually accomplished something like winning an argument with this post

>>74802142
yeah and going to mental ward for that
and like how Gaahl tortured a man and was fined for that
and so on and so forth
R U M O R

>>74802216
here's another pasta:

>be paranoid schizophrenic in black metal band
>Kill a guy because of your paranoid schizophrenia
>spend years hard time in jail like a nigger
>released from jail
>marry young stupid autistic girl who for some reason likes you
>have 5 kids you cant adequately support like a literal nigger
>support using welfare
>live in a shit shack in france with no bathroom and running water like a literal nigger
>excuse for this is you want to live more "simple off the grid life" despite still using internet
>claim to be a farmer but cant farm for shit (like a nigger)
>make excuses talking out your ass about how fruit trees cant handle the sunlight of france (there are literal flourishing fruit groves in flordia)
>make more excuses about snails and vermin eating your plants and saying "oh this is nature, we wont do anything about it"
>larp as a viking in the woods (like a literal autist)
>make failing dungeons and dragons copy
>become one of the most historically illiterate youtube personalities to ever exist
>make retarded claims such as that autistic people are more empathetic, that europeans are 100% neanderthal, and were all blonde
>ban people on youtube when they call you out on your retarded theories

why the fuck does anyone take varg seriously. He is by far one of the most retarded people I ever listened to. yet some people on here seem to worship him and buy into his absolutely retarded ideas.

also let me know if I forgot anything in the greentext there is just too much

>>74802148
>Bottom line is that the melodic death metal products of the early-to-mid 90s are just as greatly composed, imaginative and hard banging (back then) as their contemporary "pure" (whatever that means) death metal counterparts. They managed to integrate melody to brutality without compromising either, and brought an original and influential sound to the extreme metal palette.
You're very correct that they brought an influential sound to the extreme metal palette, but not one melodeath band out there properly captures the brutality of pure death metal. By being more melodic they compromise brutality, this is true even for a band like Intestine Baalism who are more on the brutal side of the spectrum. Dark Recollections would actually be a good example of a more melodic death metal album that doesn't compromise on the brutality of other OSDM bands at the time but even then no one is calling Carnage a melodeath band.
Compare Symphonies Of Sickness to Heartwork, Shadows of the Past to North From Here, The Red in the Sky is Ours to Slaughter of the Soul, The Gloom Reflection of our Hidden Sorrows to Riding Our Black Oceans, or The Awakening to Unbound. You can hear a significant drop in extremity to favor the more melodic approach to later albums. I'm glad we both agree that Soilwork, later day In Flames and every other formulaic screaming on the verse/singing on the chorus melodeath band sucks, but even then the late 90s classics that were far closer to the roots of death metal still sacrificed a great deal of what (to me) made death metal a good genre in favor of being melodic.

>>74802263
Source on the fruit trees not be able to handle sunlight thing?

>>74802263
>why the fuck does anyone take varg seriously
...does anyone, though? I don't even think /pol/tards like him. They call him a snownigger and call him out on his hypocrisies. When Kekistanis call you out on being a hypocrite I think it's time to quit

>>74802159
>Nothing wrong with that
Wow yeah fucking amazing, nothing wrong with killing one of the best musicians in your own fucking genre.
As for the latter, hint hint: a certain group of people really wants to eradicate Christianity. A certain group very influential in Sweden in particular.
>Not really genre specific
Yeah it's all melodeath and djent fucks torturing people and hitting children with axes. Satanism is religion of peace
>[citation needed]
Dead
Nödtveidt
Kvarforth (not 100% confirmed suicide but still)
Do you need more

>>74802287
>You can hear a significant drop in extremity to favor the more melodic approach to later albums.
That IS true, but I meant to say that the drop is not so significant as to kill the death metal vibe. That's pretty much where we can't seem to find a reconciling point. Sure, it's more accessible since that's what a focus on melody will do to anything, but that doesn't mean it's pop garbage as it's been implied since this exchange started. It's still hard banging.

I'd like to make it clear that I very much prefer OSDM and brutal dm to melodic/gothemburg. Still, everything up to 1997 is golden. Even Whoracle. Everything else may and should be discarded.

>>74802171
>gets sentenced to lul norway prison for like 14 years
I remember one video Varg made where he tried to explain how Norwegian prison was actually worse than American or Russian prison because the more pampered lifestyle inmates receive breaks them mentally.
Varg also literally believes that farming was the downfall of man because not having to go out and hunt for your food every day made men become lazy and feminine, how anyone actually takes him seriously is beyond me.

>>74800893
unriff dissoshit is rarely discussed now, slam whiggers are barely present anymore, glamfags are in decline, it's the next logical step in purging this general of shit

>>74802350
euronymous sucked and was a total piece of shit

>>74802350
>euronymous
>one of the best musicians
spot the nu-male

>>74802350
>Kvarforth
He's still alive you fucker. Suicide is just the focus of his lyrics.

>>74802351
To you it isn't to me it is. I'm perfectly okay with an album like TRITSIO and Sentenced debut is filled with very tonal minor guitar riffs that give the music a slight melodic edge but for most of the melodeath classics, even the ones from say 1995-1998 before the genre became saturated just don't do anything for me. They straddle that awkward line between becoming full on pop-death like Soilwork and being OSDM-lite which I'm not a fan of. I can tolerate it if it's played around me but nothing really compels me to want to put on an album by Gates Of Ishtar or A Canorous Quintent in my free time.

>>74802404
Of we killed everyone who sucks you'd be gone long time ago

>>74799155
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13790952/r
I don't get why this chart is like this.

Black metal is completely repetitive with very few exceptions after the first two waves, although it is obvious why a smaller internet community might identify with it. Still, I don't get it why it would win every time, just because it is supposed to be the more melancholic side of metal.

Also, what is up with doom being so high up? I can barely think of 7~8 bands that are not Candlemass and Sabbath copies, or am I missing something?

And my favorite, thrash, is so very low, considering how many entries the genres has. I don't think that anyone actually dislikes thrash, it is just that they don't hang out here a lot.

should we open a /meal/ tourism agency

>>74802424
expose yourself some more there tourist

>>74802416
Well that's fine

>>74802410
at least one of the most famous

>>74802413
Proof
And he was obsessed with self-harming

>>74802351
Not him but people don't just consider it pop singularly on the basis of the genre's reliance on overt melody. Virtually all of osdm is melodic in a technical sense to varying degrees. It's that the genre truly opened up for simpler song structuring to be applied in terms of death metal as opposed to the labyrinthine "narrative riff-salads" in Morbid Angel, Deicide, Incantation etc, which made for a compositional basis that had been developing which defined death metal and its delineation from popular music influence. Melodeath brings back in that popular music influence.

>>74802444
You're in it
>>74802424
You're consulting it

>>74802444
One way trip to HELL

>>74802350
I got to "all melodeath and djent fucks torturing people and hitting children with axes" before realizing you're just a shitposter. Congrats.
Do us all a favor and fuck off.

>>74802424
>just because it is supposed to be the more melancholic side of metal.
it's not
>am I missing something?
you are

listen to more metal. that's all there is to it.

>>74802420
Not saying he deserved to be murdered but don't lie about him being a great musician and ignore the fact he probably had it coming one way or another.

>>74802424
>I don't think that anyone actually dislikes thrash
Thrash is actually a hipster's least favorite metal genre. Thrash's focus is completely on energy and riffs, plenty of blackies I've talked to (And by blackies I mean people who think Woods Of Desolation and Agalloch are the height of the genre) hate thrash with a passion.
>Black metal is completely repetitive with very few exceptions after the first two waves
Pure black metal yeah but as an anon stated like two threads ago black metal is a great canvas genre for mixing in other influences. Look at the more experimental bands like Sigh and Meads Of Asphodel, they all genre hop much like Mr. Bungle or BTBAM but they use black metal as the frame which connects everything together. Black metal by far attracts the most autists to it out of any other metal genre, for both good and bad reasons.

>>74802424
>black metal is completely repetitive with very few exceptions
Confirmed for never having explored black metal. It is probably the most broad metal genre. Inquisition, Nokturnal Mortum, Blacklodge, Abigor, Bathory, Khonsu, Isengard, Dodheimsgard, etc. sound very different from one another. Sure if you look at early darkthrone, immortal and burzum they may seem similar but even those really aren't.

>>74802424
Never post here ever again

>>74802107
t. arsehurt melofag

>>74802350
>Kvarforth
if only

>>74802466
I understand. My point was that the results were quality music (until, that is, and as I keep saying, the mid-to-late 90s gave birth to bands that took note from the more explicitly accessible side of melodeath and discarded the "death" bit, which is when everything went to shit). Yes there's a return to popular, accessible music in melodeath (hell, I read somewhere that the original idea with In Flames was to bring Iron Maiden's sense of melody and counterpoint to a death metal frame, and I think they 200% succeeded in Lunar Strain), but that doesn't diminish the music's quality nor does it make it poppy non-metal like the stuff that came after it. Albums like The Gallery, Jester's Race and A Bloodred Path are great, memorably and distinct from anything else at the time, even their sub-par, basically-not-metal-anymore successors.

>>74802459
>Proof
HE'S STILL DOING SHOWS FOR FUCKS SAKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekpoYrbLvto

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>>74802561

>>74802480
>hurr durr didn't read fuck off with your arguments this is black metal thread
wow how convenient

>>74802492
I made a correction. Still, he wasn't some random fuck from Darkthrone clone #678651, he was in Mayhem
If you treat musicians like this, you pretty much imply the whole genre is disposable

>>74802557
>HE'S STILL DOING SHOWS FOR FUCKS SAKE
that doesn't prove anything

>>74802564
stop making new threads early, fucking newfags

>>74802564
stop making threads early you dumb cucks

>>74802570
it proves he's fucking alive

>>74802570
Is... is he a lich?

>>74802591
>>74802592
Suck my big, fat, juicy cock autismos

>>74802557
ok I'm a retard and can't read

>>74802594
not an argument

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>>74798200
9/10

>>74801116
>implying you could ever be the man in that picture, btw
I can because that's literally me