It's impossible to define rock music. Prove me wrong.

>>74720068
White r&b

>>74720068
All music white people enjoy and have to thank the black man for.

>electric instruments
>lead (and rhythm) guitar
>bass
>drums

>>74720120
Rock is based partly on scots-irish folk music, partly on black music. Many subgenres have nothing to with black music.

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>>74720080
>British rock in the 60s was still advertised as r&b
What did they mean by this?

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>genre:rock
lmaoing at these racist idiots enjoying literal black people music

>>74720120
this meme needs to be buried and pissed on

>>74720164
Wrong

I can't decide if OP is an anti-electronic music poster trying to pretend rock is too "varied" to be called one genre or, a /pol/tard trying to push the rock didn't come from black people meme.

>>74720279
I'm just trying to prove that rock music is impossible to define. I don't care about any of the other things you mentioned.
Do you think I'm wrong? Care to provide a definition?

>>74720166
No it's not

>>74720418
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>>74720080
>>74720187
>>74720164
Later, they experimented a bit, 99% of it is covered though.

>>74720068
>music about rocks

there, I did it motherfucker

>>74720437
1st is meaningless
2nd doesn't apply to rock subgenres like prog rock
3rd one is wrong because of bands like Emerson Lake Palmer
The point stands, rock music is impossible to define

>>74720467
ha

Music where guitar is the dominant focus?

Thats vague enough to be accurate.

>>74720474
No, what I said is 100% right

>>74720488
It's not. I just named some examples to which your definition doesn't hold. You were wrong.

>>74720478
Flamenco and Blues are rock music now?

>>74720522
Music where bands including guitars, drums, and vocals are the dominant focus?

And a lot of blues and flamenco is in fact rock.

>>74720592
>a lot of blues and flamenco is in fact rock.

hmmm

>>74720592
Emerson Lake Palmer are not rock then?

And only a minority of blues and flamenco is rock.

Your definition is flawed.

>>74720596
That too much for you?

>>74720614
ELP has guitar, drums, and vocals. I dont see your point.

why are rockfags so easy to trigger?

>>74720478
If someone plays 'Ave Maria' on the guitar, is it rock?

>>74720652
Songs such as Karn Evil 9 use a keyboard with no guitars and mostly instrumental.

>>74720661
It's this whole website, desu senpai

>>74720677
Rock bands can have songs outside of the rock genre.

Check

>>74720661
whos triggered

>>74720698
Karn Evil 9 is not a rock (prog rock) song then? What is it then?

ITT: IDM idiots frustrated that their music all sounds the same

>>74720709
Thats what I thought.

This thread is tedious but pretty civil.

>>74720725
>IDM

>>74720725
answered
>>74720279

>>74720753
>everyone I don't like is one person

rock music is defined by the rhythms, song structure, characteristic harmonic progressions, and typical instrumentation. "Riffs" are typically a key structural element. all of these are subject to some change, especially because one of the typical aspects of post-beatles rock is eclecticism. most rock music is also the same in process: songwriting is typically done as band improvisation.

>>74720725
>INTELLIGENT dance music fans
>idiots
pick one

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>>74720808
Holy shit BTFO

>>74720791
every genre of music is defined by the rhythms, song structure, characteristic harmonic progressions, and typical instrumentation

your post doesn't define rock music

>>74720842
not true
rhythm is a much more essential element in rock music than in classical
it is almost a requirement for a rock song to habe a driving, metronomic (i.e. without rubato) beat

>>74720868
you are legit retarded

>>74720827
Traps are gay, senpai

>>74720671
Fuck yes it is, and the 1812 Overture is actually pretty fucking sweet adapted for electric guitar

>>74720671
>>74721076
thank you

unironically thank you

https://youtu.be/O2hDDrD4lTE

you made me find this

>>74721076
I have to say, that's a lousy definition of rock music. I disagree, but you're a fag anyway so what do you care?

Btw, would you say Jenny Death was a rock album? Surely it was influenced, but just because guitar is obviously present doesn't distinguish it as rock, right?

>>74721076
Well if we're talking electric guitar, it's harder to argue against it being rock. I really meant if you were to play it on a classical, nylon-stringed guitar. I still stand by just playing something on a guitar with whatever effects makes it rock.

>>74721163
Funk and blues and flamenco are rock now then?

>>74721331
>I still stand by just playing something on a guitar with whatever effects makes it rock.

I didn't outright say it would be rock, just that it's a little more difficult to argue against it. I mean funk has a bit of rock influence in it, but I wouldn't say it's rock beyond that. Flamenco is easily not rock, as it originated on the nylon-stringed guitar (pretty sure). As for blues, several artists combine blues and rock, so wouldn't you say they have to be separate in order to combine them? I would.

Btw, blues is as old and tired as country desu senpai

>>74721403
The point is that your definition of rock is wrong, further evidencing what the OP said by saying that rock music is impossible to define.

>>74721163
>Genre: SHOEGAZE
>Excessive amount of pedals and effects
>Rock
MBV&Slowdive aren't rock and don't really sound like it

>>74722384
But Ride, Lush, Swervedriver and many, many, many other bands fit that definition. And they're all shoegaze.

>>74722384
Those two bands are rock, but yes, the definition made by that poster is flawed.

>>74722620
Not all, which means your definition is flawed.

There is no one set definition for Rock Music the same way there isn't one set definition for other genres. The only way to do genres is to look at each individual work, then look at its various qualities, then see where it fits best.

It's not a restrictive checklist where everything needs to be checked off. Rather it is a very large checklist from which genre gets determined based on the set of things checked off from it.

>>74722384
Shoegaze is a subgenre of rock.

>>74722666
Satanic trips confirm that to define the genre of something you need to listen to the actual music.

>>74722666
>>74722845
That still doesn't tell you how to tell if something is rock. I could claim that Shoegaze is not rock, or that Funk is rock by that logic.

>>74722362
Could you relay to me my definition of rock?

>>74722362
>>74722384
Whoops, meant to type "doesn't make it rock

Continue degeneracy

>>74723554
I thought you were this guy? >>74720478
What was your definition if not him?

>>74723748

I'm this guy, made a typo.
>>74723577

>>74720080
THIS

Then LOTS of subgenre.

Now someone define "jazz"?

>>74723805
Are you saying MBV is not rock? Because that's bullshit.

>>74723897
It's impossible to define jazz as well.

>>74720068
Electronic Bass and or giutar, paired with drums often paired with vocals. Can have any other type of instrument added to the mix Its vague but definable.

>>74723982
Funk is not rock though, therefore your definition is wrong.

>>74724016
No dice, Zapp and Roger never had giutars or a live drum kit. They're still considered funk. I win!

>>74724171
Well since their mid 80s shit they did away with giutars etc.Point is enitre funk albums with giutars exist.

>>74724171
So, all other funk is rock? God, you are retarded.
Also, the guitar definition is wrong because some rock bands (Emerson Lake Palmer and The United States of America) didn't use guitars.

>>74720166
>Rock is based partly on scots-irish folk music
You're mixing up your weak apologia. People say that about blues, not rock

>>74726326
any examples? i can see irish folk in early jazz, but not in blues

>>74720889
>I don't know what I'm talking about so I'll use the word "legit" to provide the illusion of authority
kill yourself.

You're right. Literally all pop music is based on blues and every term we've made up since then is based around some sort of aesthetic (such as fashion, lyrical subject matter, or instruments used) rather than any sore of musical qualities. Rap, rock, EDM, synth pop, metal, punk etc are all more or less the same from a musical notation standpoint.

Good job OP.

>>74728212
This doesn't answer my question.

why do we call bands like Emerson Lake Palmer or The United States of America rock when they clearly don't fit any rock definition?

>>74720068
>rock
bwaw bwaw badabadabada bwaw
>jazz
twiddly doe wop bam