I finally got around to listening to /mu/ 's favorite girl.

>>74678021
what songs have you listened to?

>>74678021
>am I the only one that got ear raped
Probably. Most of the people find her music very enjoyable.

>>74679087
someone post the poll

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>>74679110

>>74679110
Like I understand if you don't like Grimes, but that poll is fucking stupid. There are countless great artists that the vast majority of listeners would despise - Beefheart, Can, Faust, Robert Wyatt, Swans, Mr Bungle, Xiu Xiu, to name a few. (Not comparing her to those artists, just using them as examples.) Most people have shit taste desu

>>74678021
>overly complex compositions
This is true for many of her songs. I appreciate complexity in music, but if it brings out nothing to the table, it's worthless. She has nice ideas for sounds and textures but sometimes overcomplicates them for no reason and makes her music unengaging and shallow, and forgets about melodies which is the point of pop. She still has lots of time to mature and bring out that one awesome album.

>>74679239
expected autistic scapegoat grimesfag's response:

>She has nice ideas for sounds and textures but sometimes overcomplicates them for no reason and makes her music unengaging and shallow,
Ur just a massive plebster dat cant get into her music, dip!!!

>and forgets about melodies which is the point of pop
What r u talking about?!? She haz tons of great melodic sungs such as: [starts listing every single song from Vis and AA]

>She still has lots of time to mature and bring out that one awesome album.
She already have 4 awesome albumz you noob dimwit!! Also, catalog will b flooded with her nxt album, mark muh wrds pleb!!!

>>74679317
Haha yeah, that guy repeats same unfounfed and annoying arguments every time. I honestly miss discussing Grimes with objective and rational people who don't sound like a broken chatbot that's capable of only repeating 10 same sentences.

i hope our grimey is sleeping well

>>74679344
Yeh, I've noticed classical music anon isn't that active anymore, too bad

>>74678021
You're absoluteky fucking right, Grimes fans should get run over

>>74679424
expected autistic scapegoat grimesfag's response:
Ur just mad bcuz we her fans troled u many tims!!* Leav d board if u get so mad, grms is here to stay!!1

>>74679377
Cuter too

>>74679168
>Swans, Mr Bungle, Xiu Xiu

all shit

>>74679469
Found the rapfag

Fuck my life

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>>74678021
No dude. You're just not used to her sonic attack. This is her modus operandi: full on attack with lots of elements. It's not overproduction but maximalist production.

>>74679168
>Beefheart, Can, Faust, Robert Wyatt, Swans, Mr Bungle, Xiu Xiu, to name a few.
The differenece between them and Grimes is that she actually makes gorgeous melodies on top of some experimental elements.

>>74680579
This

>>74680590
>she actually makes gorgeous melodies on top of some experimental elements
so do can, faust, wyatt, and xiu xiu, espcecially roberty wyatt

>>74680650
Their melodies are way more subdued. Grimes put the melody front and center, from poppier songs like Genesis to her more obscure work like Rosa.

>>74678021
>overly complex compositions

:^)

its fucking pop music dumbass

>>74680692
have you listened to early soft machine or a solo album like shleep. way more poppy and melodic focused than even art angels i would argue.

>>74678021
>overly complex compositions

whu?

>>74680697
>>74680740
The complexity in her music is achieved through multiple layers of simpler elements. Sometimes she used some unexpected techniques probably because she didn't know music theory and had an "anything works" mindset.

A thought of her and her music makes me cringe only because of the /mu/ fangirls. You aren't doing her a favor.

>>74680843
>being such a sensitive flower

Grimes is slightly above average but that's about it. Have no idea why half of /mu/ creams their undies about her.

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>>74680876
Yes?

>>74680880
>such a musical genius
>her music too complex for ya stupid brain
>16 year old girls also can have a taste, yo sexist pyg
I don't have a problem with her stuff, just keep it in your pants and stop spamming the board with her.

>>74680880
>Grimes is slightly above average but that's about it.
Who are you to measure her talent? Your opinion worth shit.

>>74681121
That hurts my feelings

>>74681121
And yours is worth even less, idiotic scapegoat. Go masturbate to her pics to calm down

>>74681199
Take your pills, you insane wanker

Why are grimes fans ao autistic

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>>74680579
>>74680626
This.

>>74681349
I miss that grimes

>>74681268
pepole with good taste cant listen to her not ironically
she is a bad meme

>>74681360
Are there any real anons on here?

>>74681360
this is wrong af
only plebs can't get into her music

>>74681360
Don't talk about good taste when you have bad taste to hate such a great artist.

>>74681386
Im anon as fuck

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>>74681417

>>74681425
I guess nobody likes you other anon

>>74678021
because female producers are insecure and overproduce

>>74681541
Fucking misogynistic pig, get out!

>>74683034
Women can't be sexist

>>74679359
I've started making it a point to actively avoid posting in obvious b8 threads where Grimes is concerned. Imo it can actually be kinda fun being the one person in a conversation professionally knowledgeable/serious about the general topic at hand (collegiate-level teaching of music history/theory/technology is almost certainly in my immediate future), but unfortunately TheGrimesSperg gets emboldened whenever I do. So I'm staying on the down-low - at least during periods when there isn't any actual Grimes news/music to discuss.

Any real anons speak up

>>74678021
how much are they paying you to hate grimes?

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people who don't love grimes don't even deserve to live

>>74684569
what color is your hair?

>>74680579
New pic?

you don't have the intel of gents to dissect and take in her complex, high IQ music.
she doesn't compromise her sound for retards like you and anyone else who has an IQ less than 107, she doesn't want to water her music down.
honestly she's a legendary musician and people will play her music and talk about her genius for centuries to come.
you and your ilk can fuck off and listen to low IQ nigger music telling you how it's all the white man's fault all you want, whilst i'll continue listening to the aged fine wine that is grimes

She has yummy feet

>>74684666
Sry i can't work with that

Does anyone read her youtube comments? They're kind of nice sometimes

>>74684618
dark brown

>>74684652
ya

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>>74684666
trips of the truth

when visions came out I totally did not dig it and thought she was wack as fuck. all these years later and it's finally grown on me for some reason. still think all her other releases are trash though.

she's a really cool person though

>>74684758
Looks good

>>74684748
height, eye color, glasses, gender, relationship status, body art, piercings, deformations, facial hair, pubic hair, pit hair, BMI, fat %

>>74684846
I'm not going to post that much on an anonymous forum for obvious reasons.

>>74684768
no

>>74685196
>pretending to have a point
>not even posting dubs

>>74683392
You're embarrassing.

>>74686379
no u

>>74680590
>Grimes fans unironically think anything she does is even close to experimental
Grimes should be banned desu

Do any of you even wear pants?

>>74686443
>being this hateful

>>74686443
see
>>74684569

>>74678021

She's mediocre at best.

>>74686490
>>74686520
Wow great arguments you're really convincing me that I should both take grimes seriously and not continue to dislike her

>>74686453
No

>>74686576
you really should

>>74686453
of course

>>74686599
Why?

>>74686657
take a proper listen to her music and you will understand why she is so great

>>74686576
Your loss. Her music is actually amazing.

REAL QUESTION FOR GRIMESFAGS

You have 2 choices

A. You continue having Grimes music now/in future

B. You get to fuck Grimes once, have a video copy of it but NEVER can listen to her music again and she stops making music forever

Which one?

>>74678021
>overly complex compositions
I don't think we've listened to the same Grimes.

>>74686613
If i took them off would you die?

>>74679168
Can are the only ones of those that aren't shit.
>Mr. Bungle
Jesus fucking Christ, what a bad joke.

>>74686827
They're both so unappealing that the correct choice is to not play the game

>>74686827
A. To not have the possibilty to listen to her music anymore + no new music from her is legit nightmare.

>>74686839
(You)
>>74686900
You're not even a fan. That "game" wasn't for you.

>>74686948
>You're not even a fan. That "game" wasn't for you.
I wonder if you're aware of how embarrassing those two sentences were

>>74686827
Of course, I just as any normal fan would choose A. Including those who actually fell in love with her.

>>74686972
Only the second one is. The first one is perfectly valid:
>A. You continue having Grimes music now/in future
If you dismiss that, you're not a fan.

>>74678021
>Synth pop
>Overly complex compositions
What?

>>74687041
Yes. Synthpop could be complex too.

>>74687041
Grimes utilizes looping and layering techniques, particularly with vocals; many of her songs feature layers of over fifty different vocal tracks which create an "ethereal" sound.

>>74687070
Could.

>>74687091
>layering sound
>complex
Like saying that stacking pancakes makes for a more complex dish than eating one at a time.

>>74687113
Have you ever tried to make an ethereal vocal pattern consisting of fifty layers?

>>74687113
when you eat one too many and you wish to never see another pancake for the rest of your life

>>74687145
Have you ever tried to stack fifty pancakes?

>>74687091
>"ethereal" sound
fart noise

>>74687179
why should i?

>>74687184
lame comment

>>74687095
And in her case it is complex. Her productions are very detailed.

>>74687271
"Detailed" is something else.

>>74687113
Those layers are different or each other. Her complexity is "vertical", by stacking multiple laters that interact to each other. Listen to an ordinary synthpop track and then to Be a Body and notice the difference.

>>74687286
Detailed and complex.

>>74687070
>>74687091
We're not talking about Kraftwerk or the Human League here.

>>74687318
Only detailed.

Stop avoiding my filter faggots

>>74687338
Of course. We're talking about Grimes. Her music is more complex than KW & THL put together. She used many other influences from other genres than didn't even exist when KW & THL were in their prime.
>>74687349
And complex.

>>74687409
>Of course. We're talking about Grimes. Her music is more complex than KW & THL put together. She used many other influences from other genres than didn't even exist when KW & THL were in their prime.
You're going all out I see. Can you prove that?

>>74687300
>
wankery

>>74687338
>We're not talking about Kraftwerk or the Human League here.
it's an actual quote from her wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes_(musician)
>Grimes utilizes looping and layering techniques, particularly with vocals; many of her songs feature layers of over fifty different vocal tracks which create an "ethereal" sound.

>>74679459
no, he'd say that you got "BTFO'd by her fans"

grimes is the annie clark of electronic

spazz music

>>74687524
>>Grimes utilizes looping and layering techniques, particularly with vocals; many of her songs feature layers of over fifty different vocal tracks which create an "ethereal" sound.
Wow, and that proves her music is more complex and revolutionary than Kraftwerk's. I'm not sure what I expected really.

>>74679028
Art Angels fits OPs description. It's pretentious garbage put together by a child on an expensive computer.

>>74687589
>pretentious garbage

deathgrips

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>>74687559
>implying that's even a bad thing

>>74687589
You could never make something even 1/100 as complex and good as Art Angels. How an honest and completely DIY album is "pretentious garbage"? Your taste is pretentious garbage.

>>74687692
I'm amazed that anyone can write this long of a post and fail to make a concrete point in it.

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Fave song?

>>74687574
Hold on: it was only about complexity, not about revolutionary sound. Her music is far more complex than the minimalistic Kraftwerk. Just listen to their music. I don't imply that minimalistic = bad, far from it. Both of them are great at their craft.

>>74687692
every bedroom producer is a DIY album

shit means nothing these days

>>74687755
>Her music is far more complex
prove it

>>74687768
admit her musick is busy as fuck

>>74687784
you have the burden of proof. prove it.

>>74687768
listen to Oblivion and hear for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtH68PJIQLE

>>74687902
That's not evidence. You have to prove that one artist is more complex than the other artist, just posting a song doesn't prove shit.

>>74687768
Compare this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wop47G2qeY
with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb_0LzBv894
Which one seems more complex? Which one has a fuller sound? Which one has more diverse melodies? Which one has more expressive singing? Which one has more detailed production?

>>74687930
If you refuse to use your ears then there is nothing we can do.

>>74678021
What should I listen to to get a feel for her music? Any specific albums or songs I should check out anons?

>>74687930
Not that anon, but how could that anon prove that? Do you need schemes or something? Just listen to them and see for yourself.

>>74687960
If you refuse to give me actual evidence then you might as well just be bullshitting. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the more that you can't back up your claims, the more you develop that as a habit.

>>74687984
I don't know, he could start by defining "complex", sheet music, chords, tabs, anything to prove that he's not just quickly listening and making statements.

>>74687744
Pegasus

>>74687967
It depends on your taste. If you like:
-experimental stuff - Geidi Primes
-dreampop - Halfaxa
-synthpop/IDM/electronic music in general - Visions
-pop/catchy music in general/guitar music - Art Angels

>>74687955
Anon, you seem to be trying to make me answer my question for you.

>>74688012
Not all anons know music theory...........

>>74688049
Then they shouldn't make statements and try to prove them. He could've said "they sound more complex", which implies and makes obvious that he understands the sound but can't back it up instead of making a strong positive statement and trying to prove it.

>>74688041
Why not? Form your own opinion based on those pieces of music. Don't expect spoonfeeding. No matter what I'd say you wouldn't take it seriously, so why not experience music for yourself?

>>74688064
They can't explain that but they HEAR that.

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Grimesfags existed in the 69s only then they were called hippies and there were no laws against shooting them

>>74688075
>No matter what I'd say you wouldn't take it seriously
Then why did you say it? Don't make claims that you can't back up, it makes you look dumb. Why didn't you start with that instead of trying to prove it?

>>74688012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtH68PJIQLE
>0:00
Oblivion opens with an 8 measure arpeggio synth line consisting of four bars of the 1st and 5th chord tones of the song's I chord followed by followed by four bars of the 1st and 5th chord tones of the song's vi chord. These are both highly significant details from a key standpoint because omitting the 3rd chord tone in the I chord makes it impossible to clarify whether the song is in a major or minor key, and going to the vi chord itself also functions as the relative minor's i chord.

This 8-measure figure serves as the underlying sonic structure on which the rest of the song is based (structurally speaking 'Oblivion' is another example of what is known in classical orchestral music as a passacaglia - much like the song 'Be A Body') and the way it gives exactly equal emphasis on both chords in the progression serves to maintain the underlying uncertainty about true key quality.

>00:13
As the base synth figure starts over once again, a single vocal chime comes in on the major 3rd of the I chord - momentarily tipping the harmonic balance of the song in the major's favor. However, as the synth progression modulates to the vi(i), the vocal chime enters again on the exact same note - which also happens to double as the vi(i)'s 5th chord tone - thereby negating its effect as a definitive indicator of major/minor key.

>>74688096
It was you who implied that Kraftwerk or the Human League are more complex than Grimes >>74687338. You prove that first.

>>74688125
>00:24
Now bearing in mind that the musical structures so far outlined continue to exist concurrently throughout most of the rest of the song (meaning that things just continue to get more texturally complex from here on out) the vocal melody line final enters with a run directly supporting - by virtually of it constantly landing on the major 3rd of the I chord - the perception that the song IS actually in the major key (if you were to listen to just the vocal parts in this song you would think that it is one of the happiest sounding things ever written - ergo musical irony, given the song lyrics' true subject matter.)

An additional note about the vocal line. If you listen carefully to the scale tones on which it rests in relationship to whether the base synth figure is currently on the I or vi(i) part of its cycle, you will notice that she never goes down to the root note of either chord unless it is not the one currently being played by the accompaniment. It's an extremely clever move in that it allows the vocal line to contribute its own level of hollowed-out eeriness to the song (chord progressions without roots can be very off-putting) without there ever having to be the need to go beyond harmonic scale tones of the major key.

All this is to say that - when people go around saying that Grimes' music is nothing more than simple, vapid pop music - they objectively don't know what they'e talking about.

>>74688125
>>74688134
it's shit even if it's technically good. sounds like something i've heard on the radio a million times

>>74688161
>vapid pop music
Not "simple", I'd give you that, but let's be reasonable here.

>>74688125
>>74688134
Bollocks. Shut up classical anon.

Yeah i can't work with that

>>74688125
>structurally speaking 'Oblivion' is another example of what is known in classical orchestral music as a passacaglia
Exactly how dare you? Webern is jumping in his grave right now.

>>74688125
>>74688134
do you shit your pants every time you hear an arpeggio? all done with computers anyway

>>74688205
Just classical anon being classical anon. Don't take him seriously. He's annoying.

>>74687744
Avi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t9qeEPskYM

>>74687713
I'm amazed that someone can even READ a post that long...

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>>74687967
Depends more on you/your pre-existing musical tastes than anything else.

>>74688226
Why does he even bother with Grimes? This board has been nothing but shitposts, bait threads or othwerise worthless threads for an entire week. Why doesn't he attempt to salvage this board if there's anything left to salvage at this point?

>>74688282
You're too annoying. You also insulted many of the fellow fans. You need to find a new hobby. Don't you have some music practice to do?

>>74688140
that wasn't me

>>74688125
Thank you. Well done.

>>74688298
>Why does he even bother with Grimes?
Cool music desu. Also, I originally wrote this >>74688125 >>74688161 close to a year ago. I can't magically prevent others from finding it in the archives over at RBT and re-posting it as they see fit.

grimes sounds like harleyquin bmtas if she spent all her time making beats

>>74688169
>>74688175
>asks for some arguments to back up a claim that Grimes's music is complex
>recieves detailed answer
>REEEE SHUT UP IT'S STILL SHIT

Honestly, what did we even expect from a typical Grimes haters?

>>74688409
>You also insulted many of the fellow fans.
You should really stop referring to yourself in 3rd person plural.

>>74688409
He's the only redeeming quality of the Grimes fanbase on this board, at least out of the people who like her last two previous albums. I've had some arguments with him, but at least they've always been civil and I've learned something from them. You're just a child that can't handle when people don't like your favorite artist.

>>74688466
You should stop saying so much crap desu. You insulted many fans here. You're my enemy.

>>74688468
>He's the only redeeming quality of the Grimes fanbase on this board
He's a nuissance. His ramblings serve only his overinflated ego.

>>74688501
>you should stop saying so much crap
>he says, speaking crap
WDHMBT

Woah I was scrolling through the catalog and thought that was Ariel Pink

>>74688556
but his "ramblings" in this thread answered a question in a way that would probably benefit your arguments

>>74688458
i didn't ask for anything. i saw a grimes hate thread and i saw you talking about how complex her music is even though you pretty much just analyzed the song instead of showing the technicality.

>>74688641
You're just wasting your time here. Your day would be the same without this thread.

>>74688695
But these threads are fun

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Classic anon sounds gay

>>74688446
>grimes sounds like harleyquin bmtas
Fwiw Grimes is actually the same specific vocal type as Tara Strong (aka the voice of Harley Quinn, Bubbles, Twilight Sparkle, Batgirl, Raven of the Teen Titans, Ben of Ben 10, and Hello Kitty to name a few) who, in addition to also being Canadian, is also a singer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHkz3FP3YrE

And also fwiw Grimes has been approached to do cartoon voice-over work at least once already that I know of...

>tfw when all you want is to be lying in bed while Grimes lisp whispers in your ear sweet nothings and gently caresses your dik

put me out of my fucking misery lads

>>74688732
I hate him but let's not go that far. Be reasonable.

>>74688732
tipping edgelord snowflakes

>>74678021
Most of her shit sucks. I do like this song though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txcZix5caF0

>>74689027
>he only likes a minute and a half intro from tens of songs
You just have shit taste.