Is this elaborate b8 or is electronic music really more varied

Honestly I think it's beyond stupid to have no subgenres of rock or metal, but still list edm, techno, house and such. Basically those are all just subgenres of some sort of edm.

>>74601729
EDM isn't a genre.

Yes, but a lot of the variation in electronic music you wouldn't be able to tell unless you are an avid fan or someone explained it to you.

>>74601760
Most people couldn't tell the differences in rock past rock / metal / punk / alt-rock

>>74601755
Yes it is you twat

>>74601649
remove EDM (not a genre) and EBM (industrial subgenre) from the right and yeah

Electronic/rock should be on both sides too

>>74601808
Its an umbrella term for just some subgenres with those main genres listed

>>74601827
It's a genre just as much as rock is.

>>74601834
[citations needed]

>>74601846
fuck of cunt

>>74601861
Bad Day?

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>>74601861
Its alright, no need to apologize for your stupidity

Yes, but it's not exactly a fair comparison. Electronic music is so varied and isn't just "computers lmao".

>>74601649
You can also make electronic music with a guitar

>>74601982
You can also make guitar music with electronic instruments

>>74601982
Only in the sense that electricity is required for the pickups to register sounds from the strings. The strings still physically vibrate and create sound.

Even effects pedals, at least in the early days, affected the actual sound from the guitar by putting it through tubes or some other analog method. It was only in the late 80's that totally digital effects pedals came out.

Basically, electric guitar is electronic, but not digital (unless the guitar player wants it to be). It's very possible (and likely, if you are poorfag), that your electric guitars sound never actually passes through a circuit board of any kind.

>>74601827
Same can be said for "rock" but that's used.

>>74602005
Except rock is a universally, academically accepted genre.

you guys are fucking arguing semantics. for real though we all just gotta admit that there is just so much you can do with a drummer two guitars and a bass. electronic does have atleast theoretically more options. you can sample any number of whatever instruments you want, you can digitally alter that shit, just a synth alone has so many more sounds then you can get out oft a guitar. i don't think it makes much sense comparing it though, you'll always need ppl to play real instruments because hey got something human and are super intricate. arguing about the number of genres and shit is just semantics though.

>Squire

>>74602041
I don't consider "academics" who consider Chuck Berry, toe, Radiohead and My Bloody Valentine as being of the same genre to be worth shit.

>>74601878
This is my aunts dog. She posted this on facebook years ago and it went viral. I don't know if she's even aware of it.

>>74602091
I don't consider "anyone" who consider OPN, Spiral Tribe, Vladislav Delay and Darude as being of the same genre to be worth shit.

>>74602422
Okay, so how does this make "rock" a genre?

>>74602428
Rock started as a genre in the 60s, then it got more varied.

Unlike EDM which was never a genre.

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>>74601649
>Thinking electronic music and guitars are mutually exclusive
Prog died for you shits

>>74601776
Haha what the fuclk?

>>74601760
*plebs

>>74602469
We're not in the 1950s right now. You're in absolutely no position to bitch about people saying "IDM is a genre" if you're retarded enough to use genre descriptors as archaic as "rock music".

>>74603471
Who said anything about IDM?

>rock isn't a genre
The fucks wrong with this board?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music

>>74603536
EDM. It's a typo. You should have figured that out from the contextual cues provided by the conversation that just transpired.

>>74603562
EDM is not, has not and never will be a genre.

>>74603552
>gen·re
>ˈZHänrə/
>noun
>noun: genre; plural noun: genres
>a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter.

>this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqR4yNYWxx4
>and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzQ8GDBA8Is
>similarities in form, style, or subject matter
Nothing. What the fuck is wrong with you, you senseless gobshite?

>>74603611
See
>>74603552

>>74603621
Nice appeal to authority argument you absolute retard, but if you're going to appeal to such a shitty fallacy, you could at least refer to something that has some genuine authority. i.e. not Wikipedia. It still wouldn't be a solid argument, but at least you wouldn't look like a total fuckwit.

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>>74603637

How the fuck is attributing a dictionary an appeal to authority? It IS the definition of genre you turboautist

>>74603669
>posts frogs
>is completely incapable of following a conversation
Go back to school and learn basic reading comprehension instead of rotting away whatever's left of that dysfunctional slab of meat you call your brain indulging yourself in cancerous memes. You just linked to wikipedia to "prove" that rock is a genre even though the things that sources like wikipedia categorise as "rock" don't fit the dictionary definition of "genre" that I posted. Keep up, you fucking cretin.

>>74603637
>>74603637
Grove the internationally academically accepted encyclopedia says the same.

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>>74602003
>It's very possible (and likely, if you are poorfag), that your electric guitars sound never actually passes through a circuit board of any kind.
Every poorfag who has ever plugged up a guitar through a solid state amp, a tuner, or a stomp box has plugged into a circuit board.
STFU and go to bed.

>>74603780
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

>>74603796
you're right, I should believe the underage 4chan poster lmao

>>74603796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

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>>74601649
>electronic music
>laptop

>>74603834
>Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false.
Do you even read the shit you link before you hit submit? The fallacy involves "analyzing an argument". Your/his posts contain no argument whatsoever, just a dismissal of my arguments through an appeal to authority.

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>>74603873
>Jimmy Wales
>an authority

>>74603899
>>74603637

Apparently there are people dumb enough to view it as such and point to it as an ultimate weapon when they have no arguments to back up their shitty opinions.

>>74603908
>universally agreed facts are now shitty opinions

You're the only one trying to push shitty opinions m8

>>74603919
>gen·re
>ˈZHänrə/
>noun
>noun: genre; plural noun: genres
>a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter.

>this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqR4yNYWxx4
>and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzQ8GDBA8Is
>similarities in form, style, or subject matter

So you tell me, which is wrong. The dictionary or the faceless nobodies editing a communal trivia page? Because the two clearly contradict each other. Also, back up your statement, in your own words.

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These are all subgenres of the main genre, rock.

They are (mostly) different.

They're still rock subgenres.

>>74603938
You're wrong.
>>74603940

>back up your statement, in your own words.
No, that would be shitty opinions, I'll stick with facts thanks.

>>74603938
>The dictionary or the faceless nobodies editing a communal trivia page?
...and Grove, the definitive academic music encyclopedia and every other one of worth too.

>>74603957
So you're saying every dictionary ever written is wrong then?

>>74603962
Nope, just you.

>>74603985
so how can they both be correct if they directly contradict each other?

>>74603997
They all say rock is a genre.

>>74604019
that does not address the contradiction

>>74603611
it's called rock because it rocks and rolls not because there's a guitar

Electronic music is such a broad term that you could record a guitar, use it as a sample and it'll be electronic music.
So technically, yea?

>>74601755
It is whatever people say it is. You cannot prove or disprove something is a genre. It's not objective, it's constructed.

>>74601649
no because anyone stupid enough to think that an instruments limits the music that can be made with it is an absolute fucking moron

>>74601649
Half of EAI/Onkyo musicians play guitar what post made this list?

>>74604232
Every artist who uses a Fender is now within the genre chuckabuckawawa, please amend your libraries accordingly.

>>74604232
>i have no idea what objectivity is
Bet you're one of those idiots who thinks "objective opinion" is an oxymoron

>>74604232
no

by virtue of definition, EDM is electronic dance music

so long as the MUSIC is ELECTRONIC and meant for DANCE it is EDM

you fucking faggot

>>74604305
>meant for
Subjective.

>>74604311
no

if the maker imbues it with the purpose, then it is for that purpose

how people use it is irrelevant to the creation of the music

you stupid faggot

>>74604327
Oh right, I must have missed the disclaimer on all the records I've bought at the bottom stating

''this piece of music IS/IS NOT for dancing to''

I'll look more closely in the future.

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This is the most self defeating argument I have ever seen. GENRE is a way to CLASSIFY similar types of music. a point of reference or pronoun is not proving or disproving anything.

>>74604367
Its just a mad rocktard unable to accept electronic music is more varied than guitar music because we aren't treating all these >>74603940 as independent separate genres but thinks every piece of music since electro-funk should be called EDM.

>>74604367
>a way to CLASSIFY similar types of music
Because Elvis Pressley and Kid A Radiohead are quite clearly very similar.

>>74604351

stupid fucking irrelevant projection

what an artist makes something for is what CATEGORIZES it you fucking faggot

what people use it for is irrelevant to that

it's how music like "by request only" from ken ends up being meme music despite the fact that it's prayer music you stupid little retard

>>74604351
People aren't guaranteed to know shit about the maker imbuing something with some purpose. That would be secondary information. Labels are separated down to the individual. They are so splintered in their meaning that what is as simple as a 3-letter acronym would be meaningless and arbitrary. They are for communication, not arguing. Don't argue withme.

>>74604436
I get it, I'll look for the note from the ARTIST telling me if they made it for dancing to or not before defining it in future.

>>74604437
So basically you have no way of determining whether it was made for dancing to at all.

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>>74604398

So it's just business as usual.

t. guitar player

[spoiler][/spoiler]But seriously, I have been playing the guitar for 12 years and most of my people i have met that play are some of the most assmad faggots about this shit. They're just mad because they think that electronic music takes no talent but guitar does.[spoiler][/spoiler]

>>74604459
thats pretty much what it comes down to yeah

I do not enjoy the aesthetic of electronic music, nor' the core elements of the genre.

checkmate bleepfags

>>74605397
no1currs

>>74601649
people assign genres, not the music

>>74606064
Nobody said differently

>>74604459
Well it is true in a way. Electronic music doesn't take nearly as much mechanical talent.