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From an unbiased perspective, how important/influential is Saint

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From an unbiased perspective, how important/influential is Saint Hildegard von Bingen to music?
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She gives the feminists something to talk about.
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>>74531636
But they already have something to talk about. Men's toxicity.
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a lot. Music training was done by the catholic church before modern era, so she influenced the masters of the renaissance, who influenced everybody else
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some
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>>74531352
>influential
Extremely. In addition to >>74532509 she was the first person to come up with the concept of liturgical dramas. Which in turn gave rise to the existence of cantatas/early opera, and even musical theatre.
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>>74532877
>liturgical dramas
There's no real evidence that she was the first, there are quite a few from around the same era from a wide area not just germany. It is likely that there were plenty in the first half of the middle ages they were just not recorded and mostly continued by illiterate peasantry. Also she may have been hot shit during her lifetime but her influence isn't really seen in a lot of later works there's no real suggestion that the growth of liturgical drama was down to her. Great stuff though.
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>>74533127
>they were just not recorded
And hence not influential to what came after. Hildegard's works survived and went on to influence others. She almost certainly wasn't the ONLY person doing what she did when she did it (artistic innovations always come as part of whole movements.) But it's only the select few whose works manage to weather the tests of time that near true historical significance.
Case in point - everyone remembers Mozart's operatic take on Don Juan as being hugely influential to the course of music history. But was he the only one working on an opera about Don Juan at the time? No, he wasn't... but his was the one that ended up being remembered and influential.
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almost as important as Grimes
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>>74533817
No this is an understanding of influence from the wrong end of history.

Liturgical drama had a massive flowering at this time although its roots are in an earlier era. von Bingen wrote what could be classed as one of the first operas, or at least we have little record of someone doing similar before her. Due to her literacy and position in monastic orders her works were recorded and carefully saved unlike many of her contemporaries whose work was not saved. Passion plays, mystery plays continued through the rest of the middle ages, none of them showing any particular stamp of her style. Opera arose 400 years after her proto-opera with no suggestion that anyone knew the works in some monastery's library. When her works are given the recognition they deserve, many years after that, people draw parallels with opera and she of course stands out as a significant figure due to having a well recorded life and history compared to many other anonymous playwrights. If she was all that influential then we likely would have had opera much earlier. Just as Mendel was an important pioneer in genetics but really had no influence on it and can only really be appreciated in retrospect.
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>>74534203
>Just as Mendel was an important pioneer in genetics but really had no influence on it and can only really be appreciated in retrospect.
this isn't strictly true. while mendel's ideas had been independently discovered after his work the rediscovery of mendel's work provided far more evidence for them than had previously been available to science and the rediscovery brought the concepts of classical genetics to a much wider section of the scientific community
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