Why are most bands/artists these days Marxists/leftists peddling

>Death Grips
I don't see how they're peddling a political agenda.

>>74444461
>"We're feminist, we support homosexuality and individualism, we're in favor of a transparent world leadership."

>>74444429
Because artists tend to be sensitive and empathic and care about other human beings. Right wingers don't really seem to care about the wellbeing of any people except for upper class white men.

>These days

A lot of popular music has had countercultural sentiments throughout history. Ever heard of the phrase zeitgeist?

>>74444511
>Right wingers don't really seem to care about the wellbeing of any people except for upper class white men.

Have you considered that maybe they just don't think the solution to every problem is "HURR DURR BIGGER STATE MORE WELFARE"?

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>>74444529
>leftism
>counter-cultural in 2017

It's Hip to be Square has unironically the most original and profound message in a popular song in the last 35 years.

I'm not even meming.

>>74444530
Being pro-status quo doesn't lend itself to art generally for reasons like that. The most "conservative" music you'll hear that isn't generally extremist is country.

>>74444530
But right wingers want the state to be big enough to have full authority over social issues

>>74444562
So what happens if the status-quo is leftism?

>>74444542
You clearly don't know what leftism is. Hint: the US has two far-right parties and no real leftist ones.

>>74444530
Right wingers want a bigger state and army so they can slaughter people all over the globe though.

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>>74444705
>Democrats
>far-right
Dude what
They're center-right too socially liberal
Economically yes though

>>74444705
Are you literally retarded?

>hurr durr anything less than state control of every industry is far-right

Just because the Democrats don't want to hang rich people doesn't make them far right you cunt.

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Because it's the zeitgeist, and artists are not known for being great political thinkers.
They don't need to be, it's not their jobs. More problematic are the plebs who listen to artists more than experts. That is the plague of modern times.

>>74444429
>these days
Are you old enough to be here?

>>74444705
This. You've got center-right neololiberals and farther-right neoconservatives.

There is no actual leftist base with power in the US right now. Most of the mainstream media are centrists at best. Sure, left-leaning ideologies are popular amongst plenty of young adults but with the people who hold political and financial power in the current society? Nah.

To be a successful musician, you have to come up with radical ideas and new, thought provoking ways to deal with the human condition. Does that sound like something a right -leaning person would be good at?

>>74444739
It's workers control not state control that matters. Aside from Bernie the rest of the Dems love private control of industry and only pretend to care about the poor when it gets them votes. They economically may as well be far right.

>>74444754
Say what you will about Fascism but it was certainly radical, new, and thought provoking at the time. Mussolini's Fascism Manifesto actually makes it sound like an almost leftist revolutionary ideology.

>>74444583
>the status-quo is leftism?
The status quo in the USA today is: denouncing centrist liberals as "dangerous left radicals". Today's America is proto-fascist par excellence.
>mfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vkR1G_DUVc

>>74444778
>It's workers control not state control that matters.

Why are you still trying to LARP as a 1920s marxist intellectual?

>>74444782
Fascism in practice was very different from what ex-socialist young Mussolini wrote in the 20s.
>>74444778
I mean they support welfare and a safety net at the very least while the far right republicans want it completely abolished. Far right is a bit of a stretch.

>>74444551
you really need repeating digits for a post like that

>>74444782
It was just reactionary capitalism with a collectivist paint job.
>>74444795
That's what leftism is and why Bernie being screwed over is proof actual left wing politics don't exist in America.

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The cultural status quo is left wing.
It has been since the 60's, maybe at one time being for gay, nig, women rights was rebellious, but that is the norm, mainstream now.
Its just the libs have been told they are the rebels but they are in fact the enforcers of the status quo. They are the establishment.

Communism is actually rebellious to the status quo, i mean real "hang the rich" class warfare communism. But the left is infected with an extremists identity politics that destroys any group with revolutionary potential.
The reality is that mass media in large part only promotes consumerist and capitalist ideals.
Not communist.
And the reality is that capitalism wants tranny rights, nig rights, and all that garbage because it wants to absorb minorities into the capitalist machine. Make them into docile consumers too. Capitalism wants more women ceo's and black executives.
Capitalism wants more cheap slave labor from the third world, sorry, i mean immigrants.
The biggest threat to capitalism is violence, machismo, revolutions, anger, tradition, religious, racial, sexual, gender hatreds.

Capitalism needs you to be an atomized, docile, effeminate, moron, spending its meager wage on fidget spinners.

Communism doesnt want more women ceo's..
It wants dead ceo's.


The biggest threat to the status quo are the far right and far left.

So, in a way, yes, real rebellion as an artist would be to be a black sun worshiping occultist fascist in a sea of basic bitch neo liberals.
But you are never going to see death in june on MTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia0CUR160Vc

But so would being an actual communist.
And i hope to god you arent some moron that thinks Marxism and liberalism are the same things.


When it comes down to it the actual rebellious move is to believe in something that isnt soul sucking consumerism, like god, or revolution

>>74444720
racist nazi

>>74444820
I'm not arguing pro-fascism in any way or talking about it in practice even. I'm just saying it was an example of a right wing revolutionary ideology with brand new ideas. I mean it was that, you may disagree with the ideas and all but there's a reason it captivated people in that era. It was a truly new ideology that could've possibly provided answers during a time when everyone was getting fucked sideways by the depression/WWI debts.

14 year old /mu/-tards shouldn't talk politics if they actually consider fucking death grips and kendrick lamar and radiohead "marxist" lmao

>>74444720
kek libtard

>>74444859
Good post. I like you.

>>74444859
>But so would being an actual communist.

No it wouldn't. Literally every teenager and whole swathes of upcoming music artists are actual, genuine, "hang the rich" ultra-leftists.

Within the next 20 years the US will be controlled by a socialist dictatorship. Mark my words. And bands like Death Grips and Radiohead will be unironically supporting this.

>>74444859
>They are the establishment.
Not in the US. Unless you think college students are 'the establishment'

>>74444859
Pop culture is left, but average middle american is still very very conservative right wing and seriously believes in religious horseshit like Jesus/Creationism/pro-life so they don't even have that.

You are right about everything else though, you can always tell the American when they say "far-left" and "far-right" to refer to neoliberal capitalists.

>>74444892
>Liberals
>not establishment
You didn't get the point of his post

>>74444429
Because right wingers generally aren't smart enough to figure out how to put together decent sounding music>>74444461

This topic is significantly less stupid than it could have been so far, I'm legitimately impressed.

>>74444705
Found the libtard commie.

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>>74444859
And i just remembered reading an article once about bowies thin white duke era. Bowie decided to play the character of a mystical fascist at the height of left wing faggotry.

>At first glance, the Thin White Duke appeared more conventional than Bowie's previously flamboyant glam incarnations. Sporting well-groomed blonde[citation needed] hair and wearing a simple and impeccably stylish, cabaret-style wardrobe consisting of a white shirt, black trousers, and a waistcoat, the Duke was a hollow man who sang songs of romance with an agonised intensity while feeling nothing, "ice masquerading as fire".[1] The persona has been described as "a mad aristocrat",[1] "an amoral zombie",[2] and "an emotionless Aryan superman".[3] Bowie himself described the character as "A very Aryan, fascist type; a would-be romantic with absolutely no emotion at all but who spouted a lot of neo-romance."


>The Thin White Duke was a controversial figure. While being interviewed in the persona in 1975 and 1976, Bowie made statements about Adolf Hitler and fascism that some interpreted as being positive or even pro-fascist.[5] The controversy deepened in May 1976 when, while acknowledging a group of fans outside of London Victoria station, he was photographed making what some alleged to be a Nazi salute. Bowie denied this, saying that he was simply waving and the photographer captured his image mid-wave

>>74444909
Frank Zappa is right wing you fucking idiot.

Right wing doesn't automatically mean skinhead nazi. It includes libertarians, conservatives, capitalists, classic liberals, nationalists, religious folk, etc. it's a huge tent and not all knuckle draggers.

Stereotyping like this is why we cant' have rational political discourse anymore in this country.

>>74444955
He said in general and he's right tbqh. Don't get so triggered snowflake.

>>74444948
He was married to a Somali. Do you really think he was a racist? That's just journalists being journalists.

>>74444971
Fetishization of PoC. It's a form of Imperialism, slavery, neocolonialism, and oppression. Sick!

>>74444955
>Libertarians
>The Christian Right
>Not knuckle draggers

Otherwise, valid point.

>>74444507
>feminist
yes
>homosexuality
yes
>individualism
there is nothing individualistic about left-wing conformism

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Liberalism, communism, socialism, anarchism, are all different things.
There are even different types of communism.
And they all hate each other.

The democratic party are center right neoliberals, they are capitalists that are socially liberal.

Any good communist wouldn't consider the democrats to be actual leftists.

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>>74444429
I'd wager that many of their record labels encourage them to for the reason that hip-hop and indie music is predominantly consumed by teenagers/ young adults many of whom have a tendency to drift towards that which is considered "edgy" and therefore "cool". Using political agendas and ideologies allows an artist to encapsulate a serious image and thereby come off as more sincere compared to artists who refuse to do such. Meanwhile promoting the views of the far left furthers this by taking a counter-culture stance and thus allows an artist to gain points for perceived "edgyness" whilst at the same time not being accused of homophobia, intolerance, racism etc. as they would if they promoted the far-right. Ultimately it is an attempt for an artist/ label to gain publicity whilst causing as little backlash as possible - as espousing far-left views creates only superficial problems with such whereas promoting far-right views can lead to an artist being banned, ostracizing their fanbase or worse.

>>74444716
>>74444579
>blanket generalisations
god leftists are dumb

>>74444980
Yeah christian right doesn't really fit kek. They're under the tea party/altright/skinhead/etc. wing

Libertarians eh I don't agree with them but they at least read books.

Do any of these ultra-leftist artists actually realise that under their ideal Marxist-Leninist dictatorship, actually provocative music with political statements would not be allowed by the state?

>"Every artist, everyone who considers himself an artist, has the right to create freely according to his ideal, independently of everything. However, we are Communists and we must not stand with folded hands and let chaos develop as it pleases. We must systemically guide this process and form its result" - Vladimir Lenin

>>74445005
reading ayn rand isn't being well read you fucking tool

>>74444989
why do communists always vote democrat then?

wouldn't it make more sense to vote for the gop from an accelerationist perspective? democrats do enough to keep the system going and just keep it going perpetually while the gop under trump and co could lead to a collapse and revolution

>>74444999
You live in a fantasy world

>>74445028
They do though. Zizek even said that Trump is a good thing and implied he's running the GOP into the ground.

>>74444507
Generally speaking people who make music for a living will be in favour of protecting and encouraging expression. That should be obvious.
However I think calling people "marxists" because they believe in personal liberty is a flimsy argument. Being openly supportive of feminism and homosexuality has nothing to do with communism, and slapping a label like "Marxism" onto a statement advocating individualism shows a true ignorance of political ideology.

>>74445040
i knew zizek did but most "leftists" i met said "dude we gotta get behind hillary" and criticized me when i brought up that point.

you seriously think kendrick and radiohead are marxist OP? death grips might flirt with some marxist ideals but they barely even come close

>>74445005
The average internet lolbertarian has some of the most unflinching, borderline puritanical devotion to an absolute idealism that most of us have ever seen. There are intelligent libertarians but a large core of their supporters are Xers and millennials who fall to the center right both economically and socially but don't care about religion or family values shit

>>74445062
Really? Every leftist I knew IRL was saying "dude lol hillary and trump are literally EXACTLY the same".

Ultra-left Marxists are what is killing political discourse everywhere. They have zero tolerance for anything that falls outside of their neat box. And then they try to criticise right-wingers for being "intolerant" while they themselves are literally trying to justify Stalinism.

>>74445080
Kendrick is marxist because he said black people were kings dude /pol/ told me marxist means anyone I disagree with who says something criticizing white people.

>>74444984
wrong

>>74445100
these fucking /pol/ teenagers think there's some nefarious marxist agenda undercurrent, infecting all the celebs and politicians. the guy who made the post with patrick as the image got it right

>why are these artists revealing their political position?
because that's the meme right now

>>74445099
I used to mix around in leftist circles and tankies got shut down every time

>>74445099
a couple did but many were more in the "trump is an evil fascist nazi and needs to be stopped at all costs" camp.

yes you are right. i think the strict adherence to idpol is a bigger factor though since it's apparent on both the far left and far right and doing nothing but creating more divide and distracting people from the real issues.

I consider myself as conservative liberal and I don't really care about my favorite artists being pro-lgbt or leftist
Would argue with them tho

>>74445099
You're right that sentiment was common but I honestly feel like that was uttered more by centrists and apolitical people than most leftists. There was without a doubt Bernie supporters who said that but I noticed it more from the kind of people that don't even follow politics but like to appear rational by saying how they're above both parties. A particularly nasty form of aggressive centrism that halts anything because they want everyone to compromise but they have literally no solutions.

I don't care about political position period just make good music/art and I'll give it a go.

You could be a borderline neo nazi like Sam Hyde and make great comedy and I'll watch it. You could be The Pop Group and Gang of Four or Death and June and Lynyrd Skynyrd I don't give a fuck if your music is cool.

Communism is terrible for music, good luck getting any sort of state payment for anything remotely controversial. There's a reason no good music came out of the USSR.

>>74445287
Nazism ain't any better what with the "degenerate music" and all. Authoritarianism in general isn't good for creative pursuits.

>>74445296
There's political ideologies beyond Communism and Nazism.

>>74444429
>these days

>>74445320
Vocal Anti-Communists tend to be Nazis or Nazi sympathizers.

>>74445327
The USA literally fought the Nazis and
then the communists dipshit

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>>74445028
the democratic party wants social justice but not economic justice.
The democrat party are slaves to the plutocracy and donor class.
Stop watching fox news and realize that communists despise liberals and that they are different ideologies.

>>74445335
Ironic the ones who fought the Nazis became the Nazis then eh? Only took 70 years or so to reach peak fascism. Good job America.

>>74445327
The majority of the West is anti-communist you dumb dumb.

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>>74444429
>Pitchfork
>Death Grips, Kendrick Lamar, Radiohead
>Marxists/leftists
guillotine yourself my friend, but read some Capital beforehand so you get an idea of what "Marxism" means in the real world, why Marx was a major Western economic mind, and why American political notions are make-believe.

Today even supposedly "left" big media like the Guardian are not Marxist since they tend to accept the status quo of the capitalist realism, despite them denying this fact.
In the 21st century there are no proletarian media beacause of the economical mechanism of capitalist media as such. The only real proletarian resistance is the Internet. And that is a good sign, as the proletariat's being radicalised, all fellow travellers should be gotten rid of.

>>74445351
Brainwashed boomers, yes.

Young people though, nah. Mainly the "alt-right" (aka Nazis). Most youth are indifferent or supportive.

>>74445373
Alt right isn't real it's a boogeyman to describe 4chan shitposters

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>>74445373
They're supportative because they grew up in a world where communism wasn't common so they never saw its effects. Capitalism has done more for the people of this world than any other development in history whilst communism has brought nothing but death.

When your nations have to build walls to keep people in whilst our nations build walls to keep people out you have to ask yourself which system is better.

>>74445346
You dont even know what real fascism is you dumb faggot.
If trump was an actual fascist you would be in camp or dead in a ditch by now

>>74445373
Young people in Eastern Europe are heavily against communism.
It's more balanced in Western Europe tho

>>74444720
Unironically this. Fucking loathe this shit. Take it out on the streets, kids.

>>74445431
Give him time with the Trumpcare death panels.

They are using different methods. More covert. Smarter. Steve Bannon is the puppetmaster.

It's the little things like the travel ban, or removing health care, or lowering taxes/cutting social services, increasing military spending, white identity rhetoric, anti-press, or changing the immigration system to a whites only one. All these things are "soft" fascist policies in that they aren't directly violent, but they have the same effect in the end. People will die, voices will be censored, and the rich will get richer at the top. It's sickening and if that isn't fascism, I don't know what is.

>>74444507
>we support homosexuality and individualism, we're in favor of a transparent world leadership
I see nothing wrong with this, and pre tumblristas tainting the word I'd have no problem with being a feminist.

>>74445428
Lol, capitalists only care to exploit people. They have moved all production to china where they can use slave labor to create cheap shit and they have to put nets around the factory buildings to prevent the workers from committing suicide

"The quiet desperation of a world that is totally dominated by work, especially for those who don’t have it; where the domestic labour of ‘lonely housewives’ never ends, where shiftless men bred for work in factories that have closed down forever sit morosely on hire-purchase sofas they can no longer afford, in endless grey afternoons that promise only more of the same, forever. It is made just about liveable by the anti-depressants and the alcohol: scores of clone towns descending into a stone cold dead downer haze, softened up for wave after wave of neoliberal shock doctrine ‘reforms’, as mass culture degenerates into comfort food lowest common denominator entertainment."

>>74445469
Holy shit you are a moron. I dont have time for this, i got to go fap.

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>>74445431
This, young people in eastern Europe hate communism because it was responsible for the death of their nations and their people. Young people in the west hate capitalism because they can't get free college.

>>74445431
Also this, being free to call someone a fascist means you're not in a fascist state. Trump's a cunt but you're an idiot.

>>74445428
Now look at poverty in America
>>74445487
>/pol/tard presented with argument outside echo chamber

I dare you mouth breathing neckbeards to try and have a political discussion without using the following words:

>racist
>bigot
>nazi
>cuck
>kek
>libtard
>marxist
>cultural marxism
>communism
>fascism

You wouldn't get 10 replies in a thread.

>>74445498
romania poland and bulgaria are just nations of drunk retard gypsies
czech is doing as good as greece
hungary is shit because of their fascist government

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>>74445287
>no good music came out of the USSR

>>74445508
It was actually going pretty good for awhile but it's degenerated.

>>74444507
>stating one's political views is the same as peddling a political agenda

>>74445512
>>74445501
Shut the hell up dude
>>74445508
Reactionary scum

>>74445529
>reactionary scum
>degenerated

Thanks, guys. Missed these two buzzwords as well.

>>74445287
>good luck getting any sort of state payment for anything remotely controversial
there were highly controversial things in USSR even during the Stalin's chairmanship

>>74445512
>Poland
>gypsies

>>74445287
The music patriarchs of the era were Prokofiev, Shostakovich and Aram Khachaturian. With time, a wave of younger Soviet composers, including Georgy Sviridov, Tikhon Khrennikov, Alfred Schnittke managed to break through.

Many musicians from the Soviet era have established themselves as world's leading artists: violinists David Oistrakh, Leonid Kogan, Gidon Kremer, Viktor Tretyakov and Oleg Kagan; cellists Mstislav Rostropovich, Daniil Shafran, and Natalia Gutman; violist Yuri Bashmet; pianists Sviatoslav Richter, Emil Gilels and many other musicians.

Better than all the rock trash the West produced in that era.

Marxism is preferable to liberalism. I'm surprised and encouraged by how many artists haven't gone full Green Day "fcuk bu$h" tier in response to Trump. It's almost like people are analyzing the material conditions that drive things rather than inconsequential actors.

>>74445555
Wow there is some music I haven't heard. Will be downloading some records.

>>74444530
We're living in a time of change.
Stay hardline conservative, get left behind.

>>74445512
You mean nations that have historically gotten raped a million times by empires around them and flooded with immigrants. East Europe is underrated. I bet you feel real confident when you were born into a middle class Western household and have literally no clue about history.

>>74445541
I mean what other word should I use? This thread had fairly solid discourse for a modern chan political thread around the beginning but now it's just idiots arguing over the meaning of fascism.

>>74445189
>Sam Hyde
>great comedy
Spotted the 14 year-old

>>74445574
Anything other than those buzzwords that have very vague meanings and just derail proper discussion. Arguing over definitions of words will get you nowhere.

>>74445512
t. 15 year old american

>>74444579
not true whatsoever

>>74445599
I feel like degenerated as a verb isn't a buzzword and only degenerate as a noun is when it comes to internet politics.

>>74445610
How do you propose we enact things like "ending degeneracy" or "promoting family values" then?

>>74444705
>2017
>you will be publicly lynched and fired from any job for saying anything slightly outside the strict, ever tightening boundaries of Officially Approved Thought as dictated by insane progressive social politics
>GUYZ SOCIETY IS SO RIGHT WING GUYZ OMG FUCKING NAZIS

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>>74445512
>romania poland and bulgaria are just nations of drunk retard gypsies
leave poland out of this, lmao
there are more gypsies in usa than in poland

>>74445648
Private corporations don't have to adhere to freedom of speech.

>>74444429
>Why are most bands/artists these days Marxists/leftists peddling a political agenda?
and what is wrong with you retard?

>>74445667
You should try to engage with the point next time instead of changing the subject to something entirely unrelated.

>>74445691
OK, corporations fired someone for expressing views that were against the company. They have the right to do that and always have. Doesn't have anything to do with societal standards.

>>74445667
Unfortunately, idiots don't understand this. It also works both ways as plenty of people have been let go for stating beliefs that are too radical on either spectrum but bottom grade right-wing shitposters have to keep their persecution complex.

>>74445648
You're conflating liberalism with leftism.

Healthcare isn't single payer.
Tuition is higher than ever.
Union participation is at an all time low.
The prison population is bursting at the seams and the prisons are privatized for good measure.
Wealth is concentrated. Media is concentrated.

But you saw a youtube video about a bitch with purple hair telling you to die cis scum, so we must be living in the USSR v. 2.0

>>74444429
Obviously, leftist politics are promoted and right wing politics are banned by major labels. As for more independent music, I would guess it has to do with the personality types who choose to be artists. Artists tend to have high "openness" (look it up) which is correlated with left wing political beliefs. Also, artists are anti-establishment and the left has sold themselves as anti-establishment for decades and as evinced by this thread some dummies are still buying that line somehow. Bombs of peace. Kill more brown people Barack. Destroy more functioning African nations by funding terrorism and supporting military coups. Fight the man!

>believing you can have infinite growth with finite resources

Toppest of the toppest kek, go peak oil yourselves

>>74445667
>>74445703
>"Private corporations don't have to adhere to freedom of speech!"
>"But they do have to adhere to the state-dictated minimum wage FUCKING PORKY SCUM"

>>74445718
>It will be by 2030
>That's because of government intervention (federal loans) and too many people going to college
>You got me there
>Weed will be legalized soon which will free many
>(((By whom?)))

fully automated luxury communism is the only solution in the inevitable post-scarcity society

>>74445718
>can't into Wittgenstein
In the US "leftism" and "liberalism" are used interchangeably. Vernacular use determines word meaning.

>>74445703
>nothing to do with societal standards
You don't actually believe that. it's not possible that you're that stupid. You're just being dishonest because you're not mature enough to admit that you're wrong. Which is why I won't respond to you anymore.

>>74445731
Almost every post in this thread has slammed the Democrat party as not being particularly leftist.

Wow, now I see why everyone hates /mu/

>>74445754
>post-scarcity society

No such thing. People will always find resources to fight over.

>>74445731
>Also, artists are anti-establishment and the left has sold themselves as anti-establishment for decades and as evinced by this thread some dummies are still buying that line somehow.
the far left communists and anarchists are far different than obama revering liberal democrats....

>>74445767
I thought /mu/ was seen as one of the better boards

>>74445757
What he means is companies let people go because bad publicity hurts them, not necessarily because they're some left leaning paragons like that other guy painted them as.

>>74445710
Unfortunately, idiots don't respect the concept of free speech anymore. It's just muh bill of rights.

>>74445788
Do you ever visit other boards?

>>74445742
You're still doing it. Think. In what way does a federal *loan* represent a leftist mode of societal organization. Have you ever taken out a loan before? They accrue debt. How is government-backed usury socialism, rather than middling neoliberal hand-waving that ultimately solves nothing?

What I and the other poster are trying to point out is that center-right liberalism is the order of the day, and has been since the 70s. Shit like homos and diversity is completely inconsequential youtube outrage fodder.

Read a fucking book comrade.

>>74445808
Yes

>>74445790
And why would it be bad publicity to not fire Damore unless... wait for it.... societal standards demand that he be punished for his wrongthink? If the general feeling among the public was that Damore was right and his opinions uncontroversial he would not have been fired. Not that my post was about the Google thing at all. The other poster just jumped on that because it's apparently in his brain right now.

>>74445813
Which ones

>>74445810
So you're saying we need free college

>>74445807
Even the concept of free speech was never meant to apply to the private sector at all.

>>74445773
First of all, you'll always be told what to consume and what are your "real needs" as long as it's profitable for your masters and their enterprises. A question about resources is secondary.

>>74445823
Nothing is free. Publicly-funded. Yes.

>>74444507
Wow, lost a lot of respect for Death Grips. It through they'd be smarter to not support feminism, but oh well. I'm okay with the rest though.

>"USA is leftist"

I'd love to see these kids in a real leftist country. They wouldn't survive without daddy's money.

You're the one relevant country in the West where religious fundamentalists have political power. SJWs have none. The US is more right wing than any European nation by far.

>>74445870
What's wrong with females having equal rights and opportunities dear sir ?

>>74445875
>The US is more right wing than any European nation by far.

This is only because the majority of European nations are heavily statist, socialist, collectivist societies.

t. a European.

>>74445825
I see liberals make this cop-out time and time again and it's weird as hell. What you're saying is true, but it's a completely shite state of affairs when employers can exercise such liberty with who they hire/fire. Are you just counting on all megacorps being woke or something? That might be fine when it comes to being a flaming homo, but see how they treat you if you should start organizing for a union.

A democratic society means doing away with the arbitrary distinction between state power and capital power and confronting them both head-on.

>>74445879
>2017
>still pushing "feminism is just about equal rights"
Honestly anon.

>>74445879
I'm not gonna spoon-feed you on why current feminism is fucked up. If you can't see it for yourself then you're braindead. Take a trip to Sweden once in a while.

>>74445879
Dude I'm not alt-right or anything but what rights are there left for women to fight for in the western world? Abortion? That's just shit republicans throw out to get the christcucks to vote every 4 years.

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>>74445848
>this is a product of Western universities
Guillotine Sorbonne, guillotine Oxford, guillotine Harvard.

>>74445904
I mean I don't disagree with you but I'm just saying whining about someone being fired for saying something that a company obviously doesn't want to be associated with on the clock (companies probing employee off hours media is an entirely different can of worms and fuck that shit) doesn't mean corporations are necessarily some leftists wonderlands these days like some people try to paint it.

>>74445924
I mean they get harassed constantly, belittled, are frequent victims of rape/assault/violence, and portrayed as sex objects in the media/culture. Women are not seen as equals in our society even today. Yes, maybe laws and rights are more or less equal, but even then discrimination exists.

>>74445940
>Harvard
They accepted a kid who copypasted #BlackLivesMatter 500 times on his essay. That's not even a joke.

>>74445946
>doesn't mean corporations are necessarily some leftists wonderlands these days like some people try to paint it.

It's far less to do with people accusing corporations of being culturally leftist, and far MORE to do with the fact that the media and public society is so radically pro "social justice" and authoritarian leftism that they can basically hound any institution into complying with their demands within days.

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>>74444720

>>74445962
Or Stanford. Point still stands.
>>74445952
Yeah but we're talking about rights, not media sexualization or dudes being dickheads.

>>74445924
>there are stretches of the country hundreds of miles wide where politically-motivated zoning has shut down all abortion clinics, and travelling to the areas where they remain is further confounded by mandatory waiting periods and superfluous consultation
>what are you complaining about lol

>>74445952
>harassed, belittled
You mean like literally everyone?
>victims of rape/assualt/violence
Men are overwhelmingly the majority victims of violent crime
>portrayed as sex objects
https://www.pinterest.com/bembridge/men-as-sex-objects-in-ads/

>>74445988
To be fair those are probably low populated rural areas and a good chunk of America is barren farmland.

>>74446005
Nah certain red states ban abortion/planned parenthood clinics. Pretty fucked if you ask me. I'd be more willing to vote GOP if they got rid of retarded shit like this and the healthcare.

>>74445970
Yes but public opinion has long affected corporate decisions, I get what you're saying but I don't think it's an entirely valid complaint when I never hear the same people who complain about this say much about how often corporations try not to step on the toes of the evangelical right in any way whatsoever for the exact same reason.

>>74444507
How can you be a creative artist and not support individuality?

>>74446012

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>>74445555
>Prokofiev, Shostakovich
firetrucker garbage, appropriate soundtrack to the sov-realist kitsch USSR forced its painters to churn out en masse

>>74445879
Nowadays feminism just wants a matriarchy. That's the whole point behind whining about the patriarchy and masculinity. It's not egalitarianism. If you're a nu-male that believes that "toxic masculinity" is actually a real thing that happens and are okay with becoming a minority then go ahead and support it, but I don't like the idea. Or you can just move to Sweden.

>>74444511
I like to think of it as a way of getting popular. The more popular ideas you think, the more people agree and like you.

>>74446071
Far from it. They did have the occasional lip service piece made to please the party but the vast majority of their output was purely artistic.

>>74444507
>meme band holds meme views
Huh, really makes you think...

>>74446082
THIS is it.

I don't know how bad it is in the US, but in the UK this shit is ridiculous. If any artist, regardless of how good their music is, comes out in support of even the slightest right-of-centre beliefs, or if they say something critical about Jeremy Corbyn (the leader of our leftist party), they get ridiculed and hounded for pretty much the rest of their career and are called a "Tory cunt".

This plays a huge part in what artists are willing to say, I believe. Leftists are simply unwilling to engage with artists with right-wing beliefs. They are personally offended by it. Some people are even beginning to attack artists who simply don't speak out on politics, by claiming that "silence is equivalent to supporting injustice". You literally cannot be anything other than a radical leftist in the current music industry without being abused.

>>74445952
>they get harassed constantly, belittled
Not something exclusive to women and has little to nothing to do with gender.
>frequent victims of rape/assault/violence
Not at ALL exclusive to women, what the fuck? I didn't know I lived in paradise since I'm apparently immune to all of that.
>portrayed as sex objects
I could say "men too" but yeah you're right, but aren't feminists pushing exactly that nowadays?
>Women are not seen as equals
They aren't and they shouldn't be, only legally.

>>74446141
I honestly think it's more that most of the genres that are popular these days (rock, punk, hip-hop, etc) have roots in being historically leftist/counterculture/etc so it'd make sense the people who perform those genres and were influenced by them in the first place would also share similar beliefs. You basically have country as the one genre with openly conservative leaning artists (people wanted to lynch the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush back in the day) and beliefs. It's more a genre thing, certain genres just lean more one way or another traditionally due to historical and developmental contexts.

>>74446269
>punk

But John Lydon and Johnny Ramone are/were very famously anti-leftist

>>74445914
Lol at people who get their info about feminism through right wing outlets and think they actually have a nuanced understanding of modern feminism.
>They don't really wan't equal rights anymore, they want to rule over us!!!!
Also,
>Feminism used to be good but now it's gone to shit! They already have equal rights, now they're just making shit up!!!

>>74446307
I used punk more because of it's counterculture history but it's probably not the best example, it tends to go off in either direction.

>>74444529
>modern leftism
>counterculture
pick one

This discussion is markedly more intelligent than any thread I've ever seen on /pol/. I don't come to this board much but I'm honestly impressed

>>74445907
>>74445914
>>74446075
stop getting your information from r/cringeanarchy
not to pull a "no true scotsman" but videos on facebook and reddit aren't great examples of modern feminism
>>74445924
how is abortion not an issue lol
if i raped you would you want the choice to get rid of the foetus or would you raise a half retarded child for 18 years

>>74446317
Do you just assume that everyone that disagrees with you can't think from himself and gets biased information? I'm not even right-wing you faggot, you can disagree with feminism and not be right-wing.
>>74446631
As opposed to getting information from feminists? I've done it and all I got was endless mental gymnastics that don't lead anywhere.

>>74446578
"Leftism" is not necessary anymore since there's a real antagonism which produces upheavals and revolutions, whether "leftists" accept them or not.
"Leftism" has became yet another force of capital like "rightism", but unlike "rightism" it undermines any real social movement from within, claiming that it IS the social movement. So, "leftist/rightist counterculture" makes no sense today. They all are pro-establishment, secretly or openly.

Sure is bluepilled in here.

>>74447862
Yeah we need to drop some jew redpill infographs from dailystormer and kgb videos

>>74445057
I love how the posts ^^^ that hold valid arguments are always ignored

>>74444511
you're the reason that nazis still exist

A huge part of their them is taking all the other things rappers glorified through out the years and repainting them as fucked up and degenerate

I am surprised more rigjties aren't all over them

>>74446082
i hate to break it to you lad but marxism/leftism isnt the most popular ideology by a long shot. just for america its 50% right wingers 45% centrists/liberals

>>74448086
*their them
*Righties

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>>74448139
*Their THEME

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>>74444542
imagine being this stupid.

>>74448174
"Counter culture" is not as blatantly political as it used to be either way

>>74445757
theyre literally not interchangeable in the us. literally anyone ive talked to who isnt some nazi idiot doesnt use them interchangeably. words have meaning sometimes

>>74447047
I mean that starts dipping into baudrillardian "Möbius strip" shit, which wasn't my OG point but I agree

>>74448194
it isn't but you can't be counter-culture if you're right-wing, it's an oxymoron.

>>74448268
Yes but you can definitely have right wing views and still be a part of a counter culture

>>74448268
If the current cultural capital is predicated upon commercially codified socially liberal order and you're independently socially conservative, you are literally counter-cultural in that scenario, even if unintentionally so.

>>74444720
nigger

>>74446141
>Some people are even beginning to attack artists who simply don't speak out on politics, by claiming that "silence is equivalent to supporting injustice"
i'd be interested to see examples of this, if you have any

>>74444507
where the FUCK you found that anon

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It is nothing wrong with wanting to be nice to even the weakest and poorest of humans but Communism has not as a goal to make everyone fed, warm and clothed. The goal is to make everyone equal by making everyone hungry, cold and naked. Those from of eastern Europe knows this by experience and the information is free for all to read. When young folks today think they have opinions and calling themself communist or marxist or whatnot they do not know the bloody history of communism or who is behind it all. Don't be to hard on them for thinking that communism is a method for making the wotld a bettet place through equality for all when they don't know that it is equality by slavery for all. Also those who think that national socialism is the solution should remember that Rome fell even if it took 1011 years. The answer to all of this is for everybody to calm down, sit back and listen to Dungeon Synth Against Communism /valkoiset @ bc

>>74447894
Maybe because this is a music board you fucking autists

Anglos (USA in particular) are retarded:
they are all racist, left-wing and right-wing alike.
They use the fucking retarded labels as white/brown/black/hispanic/colored people disregarding every notion of ethnicity and culture.
Are italians white? Welsh and polish are white in the same way? Do algerian people get to be called white? Is everybody from africa just black? Or are there some brown inbetweens?
Nobody knows because that's the point:
this fucked up systematization is useless to everybody and is a diversion from the true problem america faces, the class/census divide. There are poor whites, poor brown people, poor blacks but they are too concerned about identity politics to care about their own good, their healthcare, their education system, etc... and just get fucked by the rich

>>74450164
That's what a good economy does to you. The less you have to care about it the more you care about stupid shit that doesn't matter like race.

because the globalists are putting their ideology through "artists" and musicians. Dont forget movies and cartoons/comics as well.

Thankfully, people are starting to WAKE UP and notice the HYPOCRISY that these people SPOUT

hopefully a liberal genocide will take place and the world will be run by REAEL men who are not pussies and the women will FIT the roles that nature GAVE THEM

in fact, liberals werent as stupid as they were before in the hippie era...

take a look at the trumpers, its a MIRROR image of the 60s protests

watch south park, then you'll realize BOTH sides are equally as bad :)!

>>74450198
that's not my point tho
poor people of all ethnicities are diverted to argue about race war gas the kike identity politics shit while they get fucked by the rich

>>74445879
lol look at this fucking nu-male, he probably still believes the whole wage gap myth

"As far as gender, race, politics, there's this feeling that so much change is happening so rapidly, both socially and on a world level. We want to make it clear that we embrace people being whoever it is they really want to be. It gets tricky-- we aren't a political band-- but both of us have been very elusive and outsider-ish our whole lives. We're not the most social people; we're loner-esque, awkward. If you have a hard time expressing aspects of your personality, the platform of creativity has always been one of the healthiest places to get these other things out. We are encouraging that. Even through being a listener of this music, or at our shows, we want to provide an environment that is entirely non-judgmental. You can do whatever you want. You can be whoever you want. Every facet of your personality can be expressed within this space or listening experience."


just relax and listen to some tunes, let it go.

>>74450553
but thats what the GLOBALISTS WANT!!!!!

>>74450553
Be the freak you wanna see

>>74444745
If you think the only thing that matters is economics, then yes, things look center-right. Classical Marxism/socialism is tolerated by academics but has no real influence. Since 89 everyone with any sort of power has concluded that central economic planning doesn't work.

If you think that literally anything other than economics matters, then its clear that radical, liberal (albeit non-Marxist) ideologues run the US and EU. Mass immigration and extreme social liberalism are massively changing Western societies, for good or ill. A "centrist, neoliberal" today would have been considered a radical extremist in FDR's day. Nothing about this is "right-wing".

Outside of the Anglo-sphere, the far-right is traditionally hostile to liberal economics, albeit for different reasons than the Marxists.

>>74444978
wtf I love Bowie now

>>74450553
>You can do whatever you want. You can be whoever you want.
Except the following: right-wing, homophobic, national socialist, conservative, racist.
I hate this whole "you can be everything BUT" hypocrisy.

>>74444429
If you're bothered by art's perceived political leanings in any way, shape, or form, you are weak minded.

holy shit this is the MUSIC board not the POLITICS board. STOP POSTING POLITICS THREADS HERE

>>74450283
>Being objectively right is a bad thing because south Park

>>74450799
where did they say that?

>>74451164
exactly. you can be whatever you want to be. don't get mad people hate you cause you're an asshole.

>>74444507
>>74448680
just wanted to ask exactly that.
can you give us the source of that statement?
i dont read the lyrics too much but it doesnt seem like they talk about politics at all.

>>74450799
Why do you fags always have to act like racists and homophobes are people who were always oppressed? People who thought like you were once in power and were the ones oppressing everyone else.
And don't lump conservatives and right wingers in with it.
Plus there's gays and non whites who have lots of different political alignments and opinions
All racist people are the same thing copied over and over again

You're not affected by the problem you are the problem

>>74444720
anon, some things never change.
no need to get to get mad about it after all this time. dont get me wrong this sucks, but at this point, why bother?

>>74451305
don't know where the original statement was made, but it's mentioned in the pitchfork interview, the very same interview where they made it very clear they are apolitical for the most part.

ex.
>>74450622
>>74450686

>>74445189
>sam is a nazi
This meme needs to die, it already costed him his career

>>74451427
sorry not
>>74450622
this
>>74450553

>>74444429
Why are most 4chan posts/threads these days kekistanis/jews peddling a political agenda?

i dont care about anthony fantano but i like this quote:
"music is not you fucking soapbox to push your ideology"