/prod/ Production General

>no soundclouds
inb4 bandcamps

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>>74277996
https://clyp.it/ga3ozzry

Plan on having someone rap on this. I know the beats repetitive and I do plan on switching it up throughout the song and cleaning up the mix. I just want critiques on the composition.

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https://clyp.it/2hi1h4fe

how am i doing lads?

>>74278076
It sounds like a metronome is beating the mic. I'd tone that down or maybe change the sound all together

>>74278302
Oh yeah I forgot that was playing throughout the whole song. I'm gonna make it so it only plays during the intro and chorus. Thank you for reminding me.

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The other day there was a discussion on another thread (>>74242235) about using low-volume "subliminal" sounds that can't really be heard but enrich che frequency spectrum.
Kinda like overdubbing but not limited to just playing instrumental tracks over the song.

Later in the thread someone posted a video of Dr Luke showing a Pro Tools project of a Katy Perry song where he used this technique and shows the huge number of tracks he has for all the layering and whatnot.

Here's the video (online you can only see the first 15 minutes but if you download it you'll have the entire thing):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/skdx4nwgq0ebaph/ASCAP%202011%20-%20Dr.%20Luke.mp4?dl=0
Watch from 24:55 to 28:00 for the specific part.

What do you think of this?
Do you do something like this?
How do you do it?

>>74278121
Really like the piano melody but I think having it cut out so often works against it. I'd take them out or simply use them less and put them in spots where they underscore important parts of the song, like when the first verse starts, assuming it's meant to be rapped over.

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FL Studio, Ableton or both?

>>74278545
Neither, Renoise. Requires less resources than both fl and ableton.

https://clyp.it/3eh2cutz
hey /myou/ its just 30secs

do you think the kick works?? im having mixed feelings

>>74278545
depends on what you want/need, every famous daw has its use

live => ableton
4bar-patterns => fl
i-know-what-im-doing=> reason
shit-ableton=> bitwig
idm fuckery => renoise
recording => protools
pepsi => cubase
why-do-i-even-do-this => lmms
animu-waifu => ardour

https://clyp.it/jwvuukyk

Studio One. I have no equipment to record real instruments how I want so I must resort to only synths.

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WHY IS EVERYTHING I MAKE CRAP

>>74279815
Cause you dont think.
Before i became a NEET i tried plenty careers,one was cinema. There was a subject called "vision" were we read philosophy ant masturbated over our euphoria. The teacher was a creepy cringy motherfucker who was always trying passes to the 18yo rural girls and figured himself an existential antihero. But if he taught me sth, it was that "you fuckers have never had an idea, you fuckers say 'i have an idea for a zombie film' but u motherfuckers dont know what having a CINEMA idea means". Meaning that to have an idea in art means having an idea about the methodological process to reach a specific aesthetic/artistic goal on the medium itself.
Think about it, it was wise, even if it came from a borderline pedophilic alcoholic

Thoughts on this emotional track?

https://clyp.it/gtcpmhf4

>>74279002
I think it works cause you've got real(?) snare and hats.

>>74278121
You're doing good lad. Keep it up.

>>74278076
I'm liking it cause its not a generic cancerous, repetitive and predictable trap song.

>>7427812
Glorious

0:55 counterpoint sample piano shit, EXTEND IT, its the climax of ur track , add some droney filter-game saw synth with big release and reverb ala sax and counter hats? hat pedal? ride? + syncopated snares after 8 bars, so u can push that section to 16 u can maybe fit 32. then drop the drums, reiterate the main bass line, and descend back to the rest till fade-out end

>>74280997
>>74278121

>>74278076
Are you the guy who always uses that pic? If yes then fuck you, you can do way better. I can only recommend you drop trap faggotry and go listen some real hiphop/rap. Dj Shadow, earl sweatshirt, kase-o, and charlie hijos bastardos. If you wanna keep the trap then try gata cattana

Hey, has /prod/ taken over /comp/? Or do I start a new thread?

>>74280997
Bro, that's for sure not counterpoint.

I have no interest in making music but I've been curious about something for a while from an outsider's perspective

Basically, is the "you can make great music on your laptop now with cheap equipment!!" meme actually true? Like, it just sounds too good to be true. What's the catch?

Do people actually achieve mainstream success making music in their bedrooms and shit or is that just a myth? I just can't imagine people succeeding in this business without connections or money of some form. But maybe i'm wrong, I honestly don't know anything about this.

There has to be a limit to what one guy can do on his own with cheap gear right?

>>74281074
>Basically, is the "you can make great music on your laptop now with cheap equipment!!" meme actually true?
More like, what's great music? Something like >>74278121 is actually better than what /mu/ has recommended me when I actually came here for recommendations, but now there's lots of stuff like that because standards were so low in the past 100 or so years. You have no idea.

We're at a point where you can say really great music is shit and that really shit music is great.

>Do people actually achieve mainstream success making music in their bedrooms and shit or is that just a myth?
It's complicated, but no. No, you need to make connections unless you can do everything by yourself perfectly.

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>>74281056
>>74280997
>0:55 counterpoint
I dunno man this stuff isn't hard.

Making house or non-sample rnb out of this stuff is fucking gold.

>>74281254
>>74281056
Maybe not melodic mad but im pretty sure aroind 055 the piano was dropping in the "and" beats, thats drumming counterpoint.

>>74281074
>is the "you can make great music on your laptop now with cheap equipment!!" meme actually true? Like, it just sounds too good to be true. What's the catch?
The catch is that is pretty difficult, since to make "good" electronic music you need all the musical talent of making regular non-electronic music, but also the technical knowhow needed to turn those ideas into actual songs with a computer, which is pretty easy to do, but pretty hard to do well.
Also, since electronic music production is now so accessible, the market is completely flooded with people of all skill levels doing all sorts of stuff, so it's harder to be unique than at a time where you needed access to extremely expensive equipment just to start learning.

>Do people actually achieve mainstream success making music in their bedrooms and shit or is that just a myth? I just can't imagine people succeeding in this business without connections or money of some form. But maybe i'm wrong, I honestly don't know anything about this.
It's definitely possible but still very rare and very difficult.
Some people might get famous off of something viral (so they get the exposure of "Internet fame" and ride that wave), some people might get noticed by someone off of their Soundcloud or something like that, but for the great majority it's a slow ascent where they start small (perhaps even just local), which gives them a bit more exposure, which puts them into slightly bigger circles, which results in more exposure, etc. until they find themselves on a big label, and if they're marketable enough, they become famous and successful.

The good thing is that, albeit much harder, you can still make connections entirely online and do your ascent that way.

>>74281074
>trying to depress anons
I know at least 20 people living from music with ableton, a soundcard, cheap monitors, marketing skills and lots of swlf learning
The trick to be independent is to have friends

>>74281390
>The trick to be independent is to have friends

Sorry, I meant to say:
The trick to be independent is to have well-connected friends

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>>74281351
>drumming counterpoint
Sorry, no.

>>74280997
>counterpoint sample piano
No offence, but it's not a good word to start using for music. It'll pick up for philosophy, but for music it's got to mean harmony stuff so if I say counterpoint someone else knows what I'm doing.

There's not really another word for it you know...

>>74281406
Connections is it.

I'm usually on /pol/ so we talk about this stuff often, I'm starting to think the really obscure 2deep4u post-post-modern art that's just off reality gets popular almost purely because of connections. It's the artform for people who can seem cool and make friends, but might not have the intellectual ability for something a little.. traditional.

>>74281406
Nope, just friends, everybody i know who makes a living from music are part of the same circle that organized in a slum-cooperative fashion to get to where they are. Some are doing better than the others due to markets, but all live from some aspect of music. Your problem is you are lazy and are unwilling to take a risk for your music

>>74281452
I've seen some really good music that has no listens because of shitty artwork or because they're using their real, unwieldly/unmemorable name. It needs good marketing but generally if you have the intuition to make good stuff you'll have to intuition to know if your marketing sucks.

But if you're thinking that people just make total shit and have their friends allegorize it with art and polish it in the studio that's not very common. Usually the music has to be a cut above the amateur soundcloud stuff.

>>74281510
>they're using their real, unwieldly/unmemorable name.
Heh.

Every name is either one or the other and every pseudonym is about as awkward as a stick.

>But if you're thinking that people just make total shit and have their friends allegorize it with art and polish it in the studio that's not very common.
Yeah, I do, because some post-modernism is like "okay dear, it's your money you spent on college." Sure if they're studying at university especially since it's accompanied with a paper, but if they're in their mid 40s and actually aren't teaching or studying, then this is exactly what I think.

Sorry, but I've heard it pretty well argued that postmodernism is deliberately bad, it's designed to lower standards.

>>74281514
>You are 99 percent right, but in drumming, accentuating the and is called counterpoint
Cool, call it syncopation instead.

>>74278331
Personally I don't care to do it in my own music, it's usually very sparse and I like it that way. But if you make house or something like that I can see why it would help.
Of course you can always do it the easy Burial way and add a big whop of hiss and cracle over everything, with maybe some sidechaining on specific frequency bands so it doesn't muddle out your kick drums etc..

Here's some shit Tycho posted on gearslutz, he talks about much the same stuff
https://pastebin.com/c8Wyqmvn

>>74281045
Okay, but that's not what I'm going for asshole.

>>74281604
The lowering of standards is because people are spending 10,000 hours on call of duty and twitter so they're working within smaller musical vocabularies. There probably is some sort of conspiracy to lower standards when you get idiots mumbling about smoking crack in the charts but I get the feeling you're talking about vaporwave or something which hardly anyone listens to.

>>74281697
Not him but he's right.
I'm not sure about it being a deliberate conspiracy, but postmodernism really does lower standards because it shifts the mindset from being "only those who are good deserve praise" to "everyone deserves praise", so what was before a sort of "objective" way of seeing what is good and what is worthless, now we have a mentality of "everyone can be good for one reason or another", and art now doesn't need to be made out of excellence anymore. It just needs to have some sort of underlying idea and some context, and it's considered good even if it's literal shit on a canvas.

This mentality of "we need to equalize the field by putting everyone on the same pedestal" ensured that shitty art is seen as just as good as excellent art (just for different reasons), so the limited number of successful artists is filled with a higher ratio of undeserving ones and a smaller ratio of deserving ones.

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>There probably is some sort of conspiracy to lower standards when you get idiots mumbling about smoking crack
That's different... related, but different. I think that's an honest (just lazy) attempt at doing something with black culture. Maybe its related in that if 5 part counterpoint were the norm it would sound weirder? Hip hop sounds pretty weird to classical listeners.

>sound, sound, wrrp, loop, sound, sound
what do they mean by this??

>I get the feeling you're talking about vaporwave or something which hardly anyone listens to
I know the people I'm referring to are a minority, but it has a flow on effect and now I actually think my music might be "bad" because normies would tell what it is even if I dressed it as house or rnb.

Anyway, pic related, when you start writing melodies like this I think I picked the wrong night to write a track.

>>74281789
New to this discussion but the way I see it postmodernism just doesn't do the whole "if you had to train years for this then it's good" thing that traditional art does. Of course this opens the door to a whole bunch of poseurs and hoaxers, but it also allows many new, more abstract/minimalistic forms of genuine expression and societal critique.

Thinking on finally spending dollarydoos on Albeton,

Is the 100$ Intro program good? 450 for the essentials seems a tad much for me atm.

Anything else I need to get?

>>74281851
just pirate it

>>74281789
>I'm not sure about it being a deliberate conspiracy
The theory is that soviets sent spies to colleges and government departments, but only the government ones were caught. Then when the wall fell those left at colleges kept teaching, retired, and then their students kept teaching the same things.

>"everyone deserves praise",
I feel it''s more like proving this than believing it. My issue is I think post-modernists will block praise from any neoclassical movement that comes after enough people say fuck you to postmodernism and download music theory text books.

>>74281836
>postmodernism just doesn't do the whole "if you had to train years for this then it's good" thing
Cheap talent?

>Of course this opens the door to a whole bunch of poseurs and hoaxers
..I have a philosophical problem here, if no one can tell who the poseurs and hoaxers are from the genuine real deal, is there really a difference? Especially when all we're presented with is the end product.

>societal critique
That's really the counterargument of neoclassicism, did we really need to critique ALL of it? Even then, why was it only OUR stuff we critiqued and why weren't we allowed to critique foreign stuff or stuff claimed by minorities?

>>74281836
>New to this discussion but the way I see it postmodernism just doesn't do the whole "if you had to train years for this then it's good" thing that traditional art does.
Traditional art doesn't really do this either.
It's more of a "you have to train years to even reach a level that we can call good", because you'd have to compete with the people who did train long and hard and set the bar so high.
There are prodigies who become very good without spending the years, and they're praised even if they didn't spend the years of their peers.

What (as I'm understanding you) you're talking about is just this thing where some stupid people see it as "it it took a long time to master it's automatically good", but this latter way of thinking isn't intrinsically part of traditional art.

What postmodernism does is taking away the "being good" part, and replaces it with "it's all relative, so everyone can be good in their own way", so they find one specific thing a piece of art does well, and make it the whole point of the art, disregarding how actually good the end result is.
Look at modern paintings and sculptures. they more often than not look bad or stupid, they take little talent to make, and people praise them because "they're a deep exploration of the duality of the rational and the irrational parts of the human psyche", so it doesn't matter that it's just a canvas with a bunch of geometric shapes on it, because people don't care anymore aout excellence.

A classic artist that wanted to portray a deep exploration of the duality of the rational and the irrational parts of the human psyche, would've painted a scene that would look good, and still has that meaning.

In ancient times they would paint these incredible paintings with new groundbreaking techniques (of the time) of deep and meaningful mythological and religious stories, to achieve the same deep meaningfulness, and at the same time create beautiful art that's also impressive in its skillful execution.

>>74281946
>The theory is that soviets sent spies to colleges and government departments, but only the government ones were caught. Then when the wall fell those left at colleges kept teaching, retired, and then their students kept teaching the same things.
I know about the Bezmenov videos.
We still don't know how influencial those were, and although I'm sure they did help propagate these ideologies, society was already moving in that direction.

>>74281946
>I feel it''s more like proving this than believing it. My issue is I think post-modernists will block praise from any neoclassical movement that comes after enough people say fuck you to postmodernism and download music theory text books.
Maybe it's because English isn't my native language, but I don't understand what you mean.
Can you rephrase please?

>>74279815
inferiority complex
when i make some songs, they sound nearly like other's, but after 20 times of listening and my crappy laptop, i fee; disappointed in my songs and delete them

>>74281977
>they more often than not look bad or stupid, they take little talent to make
What I'm worried is that if you look at music like fashion, then "good" really is whatever people say it is during that season. The next season they'll shamelessly say they hated it all along.

When this becomes music, everyone who is "someone" can collude and start agreeing on a singular, easily reproduced art form, especially if they find something that can appeal to women since increasing female enrollment seems to be a blanket goal of all courses. All of this didn't come directly from the Soviet Union, but between this gap:
>>74281946
>Then when the wall fell those left at colleges kept teaching, retired, and then their students kept teaching the same things.
I think it unhinged.

>>74282011
>We still don't know how influencial those were
You don't actually think normal people need trigger warnings?

>society was already moving in that direction.
I personally disagree, but we'll never know because we can agree there were extraneous circumstances.

>I don't understand what you mean.
>Can you rephrase please?
If everyone deserves praise, what happens when certain people receive more praise than others? What happens when you create standards? It becomes impossible to genuinely praise those at the lower end without coming off patronising.

Therefore if everyone deserves praise, the only way certain people will receive praise is if those at the higher end.. do not exist.It's not my phrasing, it's a hard notion to grasp. Equal outcome cannot mean equal treatment.

>>74282056
>What I'm worried is that if you look at music like fashion, then "good" really is whatever people say it is during that season. The next season they'll shamelessly say they hated it all along.
I was talking more about art and postmodernism in general rather than just postmodernist music, but yeah, I think it's because of how the general population gets tired of a "sound" (sice most popular music nowadays is made of fads instead of solid timeless concepts), then the suits choose one of the new underground ones to replace it, etc.
But there may very well be some deliberate effort to promote one thing instead of another, purely for the effects it has on society.
I've never seen any real proof of this, but I can see it happening.

>You don't actually think normal people need trigger warnings?
I don't mean it didn't happen. I mean it didn't happen because of the soviets.

>If everyone deserves praise, what happens when certain people receive more praise than others? What happens when you create standards? It becomes impossible to genuinely praise those at the lower end without coming off patronising.
What happens is that people find excuses for certain people's shortcomings and start fighting for the equality of outcome (because equality of opportunity would still result in people reaching different levels and they want to hide that) to "make up" for the injustice of them not being at that level.
I'm sure you know all about how SJWs hate meritocracy and want the people they consideer disadvantaged to be helped and want those who they think are priviledged to be hindered, so I don't need to make examples.

>if everyone deserves praise, the only way certain people will receive praise is if those at the higher end.. do not exist
If you remove everyone at the higher end you'll end up with a new group that was previously close to the high end but wasn't quite there, and now it's at the high end.
They'll still complain about those like crabs in a bucket.

anyone know how to make the main synth used in DJ Khaled - I'm The One? I've only got NI Massive at my disposal

hows this so far?
https://clyp.it/qgnr1aca

this is the reference track, is my track a bit muddy in comparision? or something
https://clyp.it/4htfnsue

>>74282203
Sounds like FM synthesis to me.

It's not really complicated so if your DAW has an FM synth you should be able to make something close to that.

Which DAW do you have?

>>74282203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxJW2R5OPcI
This should be pretty close (obviously it's not the same sound, so try to make it pluckier, use proper processing, etc.)

>>74281611
Cool, thanks for the link!

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>>74281977
You often get people liking non postmodern stuff for extramusical justifications of why its good. Like people easily impressed by the speed of playing a guitar so it's like a spectator sport or people liking adele because her voice sounds like something that would win american idol and make loads of money yet the music is fake sentimental trash.

I'm allergic to pretentiousness but I still can listen to very minimalist, unmelodic, weird stuff that people might call postmodern and see what they're saying with it and appreciate it without being told this is good because it has this story behind it.

>>74282586
i like adeles music

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>>74282614
it sounds like the plodding post-coldplay music that popped up around 2005. 'sex is fire' is an example of what im talking about

sounds like someone filling in chords at the start of every bar on a piano roll and adding a filler melody

i think she's big becuz fake black money voice and fat women liking her because she's fat

>>74282756
*on fire

>>74282756
i have the same impression but i enjoy it

>>74282309
Logic Pro X - I found the FM Synth but not sure how to get the right sound. could you help me out?

>>74282586
>You often get people liking non postmodern stuff for extramusical justifications of why its good. Like people easily impressed by the speed of playing a guitar so it's like a spectator sport or people liking adele because her voice sounds like something that would win american idol and make loads of money yet the music is fake sentimental trash.
And those aren't legitimate reasons to like art?

Liking a song that's complete shit but has a guitar played very fast or it's sung by a singer with a good voice is stupid, but liking a good song because on top of being a good song, it also has an impressive display of skill or a good voice is 100% legitimate and that's always been the case.

Just like I said in my previous posts, it's good that postmodernist art has contextual meaning, has historical value, or it's a conceptual piece that wants to make a statement.
But my problem with it is that it's just that. Those characteristics are the entire point of postmodernist art, and my problem is that classic art had all these characteristics too, but they were on top of great art that would've still been beautiful and powerful without the underlying meaning.

Meaning and context only add depth to a piece, enriching it and augmenting its power.
By making them the entire thing, you just end up with a hollow tube of nothing, because there's no art to support the meaning. It's just meaning.

It's the difference between real poetry (which requires extensive knowledge of language, literature, and a high intellect to pull off) and that shit millennials like (I don't remember the name) where someone goes on a stage and starts rhythmically saying sentences about important issues or whatever they like.

What's the point in just saying things and calling it poetry just because of their meaning?
Why can't we have meaning AND beauty AND skills like we've always had before postmodernism?

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>>74282586
>>74282911
(cont.)
>I'm allergic to pretentiousness but I still can listen to very minimalist, unmelodic, weird stuff that people might call postmodern and see what they're saying with it and appreciate it without being told this is good because it has this story behind it.
I'm not saying all postmodernist art is bad.
I do like a lot of it myself.
I'm just arguing that postmodernism as a concept is fundamentally bullshit and results in a ton of bullshit "art" that shouldn't be called art at all.

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>>74281946
>if no one can tell who the poseurs and hoaxers are from the genuine real deal, is there really a difference?
Personally I like some abstract art and other stuff not so much. Of course if you like none of it, then there's no way for you to see what has merit and what hasn't.

>That's really the counterargument of neoclassicism, did we really need to critique ALL of it? Even then, why was it only OUR stuff we critiqued and why weren't we allowed to critique foreign stuff or stuff claimed by minorities?
No idea what you're getting at here.

>>74281977
You're still conflating technical ability with artistic merit. Just because you think only realistic figurative art can look good doesn't mean everyone shares that opinion. "Hurr durr my 5 year old niece could do this"-art can be just as impactful to me (ofte moreso) than the oompteenth perfectly executed mythological scene.

>>74282903
I'm not very good with FM and I've never used Logic, so I'm not sure how to help you.

Try to find tutorials for similar sounds and learn why they sound like that.

One that comes to mind is the bass from "Fancy" by Iggy Azalea (I'm sure there are tons of tutorials on that).

Consider switching to Ableton though. You'll find tutorials for everything very easily, and it's very powerful (for sound design and sample manipulation blows Logic out of the water).

>>74283001
>No idea what you're getting at here.
Political correctness.

>>74282911
>And those aren't legitimate reasons to like art?

I don't think it's a wholesome kind of appreciation. I don't even think it's the same part of the brain. I can play fucking anything on guitar but if I listen to Link Wray's Rumble I don't think 'pfft I could play that' because it's genius that he clocked the artistic potential in those two chords with that tone

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>>74283001
>You're still conflating technical ability with artistic merit.
Technical ability is not the only thing that makes artistic merit, but it's an important part of it.

>Just because you think only realistic figurative art can look good doesn't mean everyone shares that opinion.
There are plenty of styles that look good without being realistic.
I guess a bunch of cubes look good too, but it's not what I meant.
Have you even been to the Vatican (or any building adorned with classic art pieces considered "masterpieces")?
Can you imagine if instead of those paintings, sculptures, and frescoes were replaced with modern art?
It would be laughable.

What I'm arguing isn't that postmodernist art lacks beauty. It's that it lacks everything that we conventionally associate with artistic merit, and then some arbitrary form of artistic merit is added "artificially" to it because the piece is some sort of metaphor for something.

"Hurr durr my 5 year old niece could do this"-art can be just as impactful to me (ofte moreso) than the oompteenth perfectly executed mythological scene.
If my 5yo niece can do it, then it's likely that the piece has little artistic merit, and it's just a statement metaphorically represented with a painting or sculpture, and gets called art just because of the medium, despite having very little of "art".
I'm open to being corrected though, so feel free to post something postmodern that looks like it could be made by a child but it's still impactful and has artistic merit (instead of just being an impactful statement represented visually).

>>74283049
Whaether you're doing it on purpose or not, that's a strawman argument.

If you read the rest of the post I clearly stated that those reasons alone aren't enough for art to be "good", so it's stupid to appreciate an otherwise shitty song just because it has one of those things.

My argument was that they're good "features" that make a good song when they're on top of other good features.

Read the rest of the post next time you reply to someone with just a decontextualized part of it.

>pretend to discuss art
>confuse between modern art/contemporary art/postmodern art
postmodernism is pretty much dead btw

>>74283207
>Technical ability is not the only thing that makes artistic merit, but it's an important part of it.
Only insofar as it's in the service of artistic expression, and not a shred more than that. "Oh wow that's really skillful" kind of appreciation has nothing to do with art.
>Have you even been to the Vatican (or any building adorned with classic art pieces considered "masterpieces")?
Not the vatican, but yeah. They don't really touch me emotionally but that's probably because I'm not a christian (tips fedora).
>Can you imagine if instead of those paintings, sculptures, and frescoes were replaced with modern art?
>It would be laughable.
That's exactly what modern architecture does though, it's pretty good in some cases. For example I really enjoyed the Guggenheim museum in Bilbao.
>It's that it lacks everything that we conventionally associate with artistic merit, and then some arbitrary form of artistic merit is added "artificially" to it because the piece is some sort of metaphor for something.
I don't agree that it's artificial at all. IMO it gets to the core of what artistic expression is, and has been all along.

>If my 5yo niece can do it, then it's likely that the piece has little artistic merit
She probably couldn't, maybe come close visually but it wouldn't be the same on an artistic level.

As an example of real postmodern art (I can think of some paintings but they're not really postmodern, just abstract) I really liked this video installation by Jon Rafman
http://www.stedelijk.nl/en/exhibitions/jonrafman

https://clyp.it/ue1n0jv3

how's the mix
feedback is appreciated DD

>>74283389
>confuse between modern art/contemporary art/postmodern art
You're right lol, I'm not even sure myself which one I'm talking about.

>>74283252
I see the importance of skill in getting a better end result but if it's virtuoso exhibitions of skill then that's a totally different world meant for teenagers who are learning an instrument but don't really like music.

I'm not saying limit yourself to be sure that you're not showing off, e.g. a lot of classical music may be very difficult to compose or play but only in the service of the end result and not displaying skill

But no I don't think it's 100% legitimate

>>74283009
>Consider switching to Ableton though. You'll find tutorials for everything very easily, and it's very powerful (for sound design and sample manipulation blows Logic out of the water).

I understand as a lot of dj kids like to use ableton it has become hugely popular, so it makes sense that there are lots of tutorials for ableton. It would also seem that 9 out of 10 of these easy to find tutorials are made by these DJ kids I refer to in my previous sentence, usually they are not very professional and total garbage.
Would you also care to explain how ableton is so powerful and better at sound design and sample manipulation? I hear this sort of thing thrown about a lot by ableton users and it seems like the sort of thing someone who has obviously never used Logic or any other daw for that matter would say.

how do these youtube producers that make "x feat y vs z type beat" have instrumental parts that sound very good but have absolutely shit drums?
do they just flip downloaded loops?

>>74278076
Mix is good, but there's a sound in it that plays for the first time 30 seconds in, is panned a bit left, and plays about once a bar, kinda like a pluck sound. What is it? I've heard it so many places, and it's driving me crazy.

>>74283698
Could it be they've sampled a song and tried to add their own beats they've mixed to it?

I think a lot of people are timbre deaf when it comes to drums, you can try to explain to them that it sounds bad but they can't hear it. It just sounds like generic drums to them. Takes practice to get more picky I suppose.

>>74283763
yeah, it's like a lot of these wannabe producers think the drums are secondary or something in hip hop

does anyone know of any acapella rap vocal sample packs I could use? as in, one-shot vocal acapellas from old rap songs compiled into a pack.

could you point me in the direction of something like this?

>>74283953
probabbly on r/samples or something
but really don't put that shit on your beats

>>74283998
lmao

>>74283389

I don't mean art of the postmodern style.
I mean art that comes from a "postmodern society" (I don't know how else to call it but I often hear it being called this way).
If you read the thread it becomes pretty evident.

>>74283390
>>Only insofar as it's in the service of artistic expression, and not a shred more than that. "Oh wow that's really skillful" kind of appreciation has nothing to do with art.
I disagree.
While it certainly is not enough to define good art (a photorealistic painting of my neighbour's dog will still be shitty art), it definitely adds to it.
Everything else being equal (same subject, same meaning and context, etc), which one would you think has more "artistic merit", the one painted masterfully with all the proper techniques, or the one painted "abstractly" with simple shapes?

>Not the vatican, but yeah. They don't really touch me emotionally but that's probably because I'm not a christian (tips fedora).
I'm atheist as well. You don't need to believe a story really happened to appreciate it and the art that comes from it.
Mine was just an example. There's plenty of nonreligious art that can be as powerful as modern art, but is ALSO beautiful and requires decades of study and practice just to execute. Which one holds more artistic merit?

>That's exactly what modern architecture does though, it's pretty good in some cases.
>in some cases
To be honest I really like modern architecture, but compared to classical styles it's not really as artistic. Again, it's often more of a statement or gimmicky feature than actual timeless art.
Classic styles of architecture will always be considered good art, while modern architecture is neat for a week, and once your excitement for their meaning/statement/whatever you get bored with them.
I certainly don't think they hold as much artistic value as non-modern styles.

1/3

>>74283389

>I don't agree that it's artificial at all. IMO it gets to the core of what artistic expression is, and has been all along.
So if I think of some deep meaningful idea and represent it visually in a metaphorical way as some shape, I'm suddenly creating good art?
The end result is still the same as a non-artist just making the same thing without the meaning (which wouldn't be considered art at all), so all that would make that piece "art" would just be its meaning and nothing else about it.

I understand that meaning is an important part of art, but it's something that should add to it, not be the entire thing, because otherwise there's little artistic value.
Art can still be art without the meaning.
A good song can be instrumental with no meaning and still be powerful and beautiful.
A painting can have no underlying intention and can still evoke strong emotions and be beautiful.

A visual metaphor alone isn't art. It's just a visual metaphor.
When you have art that's also good without the metaphorical meaning and context, AND THEN add them to it, it becomes great excellent art.
They're like toppings on a pizza. You can't just take pepperoni slices and say it's a pizza (or even a meal), but you can remove the pepperoni and say it's a pizza.
It won't be as good as with toppings, but it will still be a meal, while the toppings alone will not.
Just like a beautiful piece will still be art even without the meaning, but the meaning alone can't be art on its own.

2/3

>>74283389

>As an example of real postmodern art (I can think of some paintings but they're not really postmodern, just abstract) I really liked this video installation by Jon Rafman
This is an example of what I meant.
They're not powerful because of the art, but because of the meaning.
The whole point of this exhibition is in the meaning.
It's not art that could stand on its own that also with meaning. It's just the meaning, represented with some videos that without the "meaning" part wouldn't be considered art at all.

>>74283519
I'm not saying that some virtuoso playing a major scale on a guitar at light speed would be good art, but that a song that's good without the virtuoso playing has more artistic value when it also has virtuoso playing.
Look at Paganini's music for example.
A big part of why he's so famous in the first place is because he was so impossibly good that people thought he was the devil, and he's still considered "one of the greats".
Or all those musicians who spend their entire lives without composing anything (besides perhaps in school) and are esteemed professionals just because of their skills in playing or singing, because it's such a high level of artistry that you can't help but appreciate when listening.
Would you say it's stupid to appreciate Pavarotti's music because of how well he sings and how good his voice is?

Appreciation for the dedication and artistry necessary to reach a very high level of excellence will always be part of what makes a great artist.

You can appreciate something for several different things.
In this case you can appreciate a piece by how well it's composed, by how well the singer can sing, how well the instruments are played, how well it's engineered, how good the sound design is, etc.

Appreciating a song that has only one of these things is stupid, but appreciating a song that isn't bad but has one or more of these things is perfectly legitimate and has always been a main reason for people to like usic.

3/3

This is my third track, first one with a vocal. Got some nice pointers last time, how do I improve my mix?

clyp.it/i3ptgosx

master eqing is hell
https://clyp.it/j1miwjau

this is the reference
https://clyp.it/vdrfkdnn

>>74284375
Well Pavarotti's voice strikes an emotional chord but I'm not appreciating the skill just the sound

>>74283569
>It would also seem that 9 out of 10 of these easy to find tutorials are made by these DJ kids, usually they are not very professional and total garbage.
You can find out immediately if they're shit or not by watching a few seconds of the videos.
And even if they are DJ kids, as long as they teach you the concept you clicked on the video to learn, I don't see the problem.

>Would you also care to explain how ableton is so powerful and better at sound design and sample manipulation?
Nowadays with third party plugins being so good (which equalizes all the advantages by internal default instruments and effects), the only difference between daws is in their inner workings and their capabilities, and Ableton has a few things that allow for much more freedom than other DAWs,
For example their midi/instrument/audio-effect racks, which allow you to do a billion things that would just be impossible with other DAWs or require complex routings to achieve what you can do in two clicks with Ableton.

Or their "live effect" approach o midi, which is achieved by having a pretty barebones piano roll and putting all those features as devices you can insert before the instruments so you can automate parameters and change things in real time.

Or the ability to make and add plugins that are specifically made for Ableton thanks to Max4Live and its plethora of super useful and unique devices.

Or the sample manipulation capabilities, with their "warping features", the integration with the samplers, and the all-around ease with which you chop and manipulate samples.

Or the "session view", which allows you to have an extremely flexible workflow, quickly throw down ideas and loops, and do all those things you can't do on a timeline.

These are from the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.

TL;DR:
It can do basically what the other DAWs can, and much more.

>>74284633
I hate having to drag a true pan max4life plug onto every new track. I hate having to use the utility plugin to check phase, why can't they just make an SSL console type thing like the one in Reason? Even with a default template setup with all the stuff I use the most I still find it a hassle sometimes.

I wish you had all the features that ableton has and they just stole all the good stuff from the other DAWs. I wish you had tracker mode, sibelius mode, wave editor mode, 808/303 pattern mode, reason/reaktor modular rack mode etc all rolled into one

>>74284481
snare's punch has been lost.

the only solution is to go back to the mix, and make room for each track.

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>>74284902
You can make it so that each new track has whatever plugins you want.

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>>74285040
>2x sausage fattener

Thanks though, I need to reread the manual. Still wish they had a single click phase button on the mixer.

buying some gear this week! I have a tr-8 in the mail and getting a korg minilogue and monologue when i get paid.

I was thinking of getting a DX7 and i found a cheap one from japan but has anyone ever imported anything used from there? i am worried about paying duty out the ass to the point where it's not even worth it

>>74285040
Yikes @ that fx chain

>>74285107
Yeah, that'd be nice, but for all the advantages it has I think it's worth it.

>>74285346
I know, I had to remove the 6 OTTs because they wouldn't fit in the screenshot, so I ended up with that shit.

>>74284336
>There's plenty of nonreligious art that can be as powerful as modern art, but is ALSO beautiful and requires decades of study and practice just to execute.
You keep making the implicit assumption that abstract modern art can not be beautiful.

>Everything else being equal (same subject, same meaning and context, etc), which one would you think has more "artistic merit", the one painted masterfully with all the proper techniques, or the one painted "abstractly" with simple shapes?
I'd have to see them both lol. The realistic one might as well be pointless wank, or maybe the abstractly painted one is just emperor's new clothes shit, who knows? But just because one is masterfully made using the proper techniques (whatever those are) doesn't make it inherently better in my book.

>>74284375
>This is an example of what I meant.
>They're not powerful because of the art, but because of the meaning.
>The whole point of this exhibition is in the meaning.
>It's not art that could stand on its own that also with meaning. It's just the meaning, represented with some videos that without the "meaning" part wouldn't be considered art at all.
I don't see why this is bad. I guess we just have a different conception of what good art is and should be, maybe let's just keep it at that.

Why is Aphex Twin so highly regarded? Why does everyone see him as a god?

>>74278076
I would listen to this.

>>74279054
Where does Reaper fall in that spectrum, sir?

https://clyp.it/hl5db1cs
I'm basically only good at making kicks and never have any idea on what else to do with them

>>74285439
>You keep making the implicit assumption that abstract modern art can not be beautiful.
Compared to their classical counterpart I think they are, and I think anyone besides abstract-art-enthusiasts would agree.
You can show me examples of abstract art that's as beautiful as classic art of the same "level".

>>74285439
>I'd have to see them both lol. The realistic one might as well be pointless wank, or maybe the abstractly painted one is just emperor's new clothes shit, who knows? But just because one is masterfully made using the proper techniques (whatever those are) doesn't make it inherently better in my book.
I don't think you're understanding what "Everything else being equal" means.

>I don't see why this is bad.
I made enough examples and I've explained pretty well why meaning alone isn't enough to make good art, so if you're still not seeing why I'm making those arguments, then it's pointless to keep arguing.

>I guess we just have a different conception of what good art is and should be, maybe let's just keep it at that.
Yeah, that's evident lol
My whole argument was an attempt at showing you my point of view (that can still be wrong of course) and try to see if yours can convince me.
I'm not trying to reach an agreement lol
I guess we'll just leave with the same opinions we had at the start.

>>74279815
You're not talented or creative enough for music.

>>74279054
>idm fuckery => renoise
fucking seriously
some of the shit I see in renoise is absolutely bonkers
example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQonZBrETeI

>>74285657
invent kickwave

>>74285711
I do generative flashcore type stuff sometimes like this
https://clyp.it/2c3324cg
I suppose that would be "kickwave"

>>74285703
I never got around to using it properly but I've always loved the way renoise looks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGK-EzEa45U

reminds me of the matrix digital rain

>>74285880
my first DAW was fl studio, I've been using it for.. jesus christ, nearly a decade. I don't think I could ever make the switch at this point but I definitely love how renoise looks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3r6FdBmyLU

>>74277996
I kinda want to get into this, I play guitar and bass and a bit of keys, I already have an audio interface. What DAW should I look into? I'm just using audacity for simple audio recording right now.

Ableton or Reaper or something else? Something easy to get into and cheap (or free) would be great. Mostly recording, mixing and doing some fun stuff like using it as a vocoder, etc.

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little neuro-trap ( i guess) shit. Slapped together a second part to the drop.

https://clyp.it/nnubwum0

tell me whatchya think

>>74286295
>https://clyp.it/nnubwum0
What do you use for sub bass

>>74286485
>What do you use for sub bass
doesn't matter, it's just a sine. Distortion and resonance knob no matter the synth are your friends to boost harmonics. I use factory cuz it gives me tons of options for automation, and fabfilter saturn cuz it's multiband.

>>74286610
Never heard of factory. I've been using massive and 3x osc all these years. But thanks and sick track man you've got serious potential

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>>74286785
I. Fucking. love. this thing bro.
https://sugar-bytes.de/en/factory
they call it modular, i dunno about that. It's more of a wavetable synth. You can basically run 4 oscillators because of the A and B option which I find super useful. The effects are also really good

>>74286295
You've outgrown /prod/

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I've made the final track of my 3 track EP. I don't know what the genre is, but here's my 3 songs. can someone please give it a listen? None of my friends make music so /mu/ is all I have at the moment. :l

Here are the links, in order they will be placed in the EP.

https://clyp.it/rkltccgi
https://clyp.it/xwpudha3
https://clyp.it/dh3mduuc

I've got a quick question in regards to hiphop production; I want to avoid being to repetitive when I make beats, but at the same time, I'd like to develop a style people associate with me. Do you guys have any advice for staying varied, even if you enjoy making a specific kind of track? I obviously want to try to branch out, but I'm afraid to make shite music, or not being able to learn a new style. Any anons here with experience in this realm?

>>74286295
Do you have a sc or bc? This bangs

>>74287051
oh man those swells in the third song need to change when the song kicks off. make them heavier or something.

didn't like the first song at all, though it's not bad. second song is cool but i still think the sampling is gimicky.

you've got good sounds and obviously know structure but there's a big chunk of detail lacking in the arrangement and sounds occasionally that makes it sound half assed or like you just so happened to happen upon a bunch of well fitting presets and don't actually know what you're doing.

i don't mean for that to be discouraging because i think this could be really good, i just think you should spend more time with these songs.

>>74284633
i wish ableton would integrate some of the max devices as native max4live is unstable on my machine

>>74287051
thanks for the quick feedback. I'm not exactly sure what swells you're talking about? At what time point? These songs are different from what I normally make, and isa break from the more heavily produced tracks that I make. Supposed to be child-like and nostalgic. Can you post one of your tracks? I would love to hear what you make and get an idea of the genre you're into.

Here is one that's a little more heavily produced if that's what you feel was overall missing.

https://clyp.it/hpoqaqhf

sorry this >>74287788


was meant for you. >>74287547

and yeah i totally know what swells you're talking about. I guess I could add more layers to it.

https://clyp.it/33hl2gdi

>it's the spooky tech house guy again
i think i've got the highs down but my lows and mids are muddy and my drums (esp. the snare) still sound like shit. how do you separate tracks that only sound good in one specific frequency range? or do you just have to decide between them?

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>>74284933
and now?
https://clyp.it/0b5djex3

at which channels i should do the cut?

i'm doing the mastering on the same project so i can tweak both at the same time

>>74287788
>>74287812
track from last year- pre monitors so not top notch mixing :p

https://clyp.it/s1bptwri

I guess what i had most in mind was just little shifts/arrangement preferences- same phrase or chords but with a different patch, automated/different reverbs on different sections etc

I remember that song, pretty dope. I think i may have mentioned him last time I commented on one of your songs but i think you'd like iglooghost

>>74286295
how do I produce like this

is soundtoys 5 bundle worth it

>>74288779
yes

>>74288779
Download it and decide for yourself.

>>74288809
i dont do these things. its.... wrong

>>74289090
true but we all pretends it's not . . ..,,,

>>74289090
No it's not. The companies who make these software are not retarded. They make their stuff extra expensive cause they know most casual users will pirate them but professionals will pay for it

>>74289255
the bundle is cheap as hell right now if you got their freebies to trade in it comes out to $115

>>74285368
underrated post

>>74288737
Not him but
>Study the various techniques
>Practice production by making as many complete songs as possible in as many different genres as you can until you master them all
>Analyze songs by producers who make impressive music (from a production standpoint) and try to recreate the impressive stuff

Do this for a few years and you'll be good at production in general, so you'll be able to make all types of music and come up with cool stuff like that.

>>74289614
this same advice could almost apply to anything, including becoming a pokemon master

>>74289293
>$115
>cheap
I wish I was rich.

>>74289644
Well it's not a particularly difficult concept.
It's literally "work hard AND smart", and I listed some ways of working smart.

It works for anything because it is THE way of becoming good at anything. There is no special secret (besides getting some producer who's good at that style to mentor you and teach you everything he knows) just study and practice.

>>74278121
really nice

>>74289887
so what you're saying is I should kidnap my idol and force them to tell me their secrets, because that whole "hard work" thing really turns me off

>>74290268
you kidnap them and force them to make music for you

>>74289614
Sorry but you are not factoring in time and competition. After you spend 5 years doing everything you will be better, but in every genre therr will be people who spent those 5 years only in that genre and will be light years ahead of you

>>74290414
That's why instead of making x genre you just make whatever comes to your mind, taking influences from everything you've ever listened to.

>>74287208
Think, like literally, not dreamy style waiting to catch an abstract concept. Sit down and think and write what your style is, then separate by parts and do techincal experimentation in those parts. The point is like you have an aesthetic idea and need to refine it by exploring the shape and material possibilities. Thinn in painters, have you never seen paintings called "study 2232" "study in blues" or shit like that?Its aesthetic exploration to try master a style that at the time only exists in their head

>>74290556
Lmao I've been narrowing my focus by rewriting/redefining a focus over the past year or two- reusing sounds, reinterpreting old ideas

Solid advice anon. More producers trying to find their own style should do this

Anybody have any experience with Yamaha MT4X 4-track?

I've looked at the manual but I can't figure out for the life of me how to record with it.

I have a problem - when I have a beat that I like and lyrics that I can flow to no problem on speakers, as soon as I put on headphones I lose my sense of flow and try rapping inbetween the basses and it fucks up my flow big time.

Do I just reduce the sound on the headphones or can I take my headphones off completely?

>>74290926
>>74290926
How long have you been doing it though? Can you hear yourself while recording? What's actually throwing you off?

my first reaction is just that you need more practice recording or your flow isn't as good as you say

>>74290268
Yes.

>>74290414
No, because those people will only be specialized at making just that genre (and will likely make well-produced but generic and uninteresting shit) while you'll be good at production as a whole and will be able to make every genre well because skills translate well across styles and genres, so you'll make better-produced music that will also be original and interesting.

Plus, it's not like you'll improve at the same rate.
The guy who makes just one genre will spend most of those 5 years not improving because he'll be doing a lot of the same stuff over and over, while the guy who makes every genre will constantly be doing new things, learning new skills, and pushing his capabilities every day, so 5 years of this will be better than 10 of doing the same thing.

Also, as the other guy said, you shouldn't make music of a specific genre anyway, but instead do whatever your "musicianship" leads you to do (which will be easy if you're good at the whole spectrum of music production) regardless of the genre.

>>74285689
>>74285439
You are both fags, if it sounds/looks good is good, if it doesnt is just some kind of pretensious signaling wrapped in the shape of actual art. For messages use fedex, for skill wankery go to the math olympics.

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Really grateful for these threads. putting an album out in a few weeks and there's only so many times you can ask your girlfriend if something's compressed enough.

https://clyp.it/2fj3hoco

think the guitars at the beginning are too sludgy. Could use some advice.

listening to some other stuff now.

>>74291143
Lol no lad you are saying if you wank around playing every sport you will play better tennis than someone who exclusively plays tennis?
You wont evolve at the same rate and you wont have the intimate knowledge about the genre the other guy has. You will be the one doing poppy shit while he will be real as fuck

>go to youtube
>rip a video of a kookaburra cackling and wailing
>bung it into logic pro
>slap a vocoder on that shit
>I now have my main synth lead for my latest WIP

>>74287738

Ableton bought Cycling '74 earlier in the year so that might be in the pipeline.

>>74291034
>how long
today first time in the studio

>can you hear yourself
no I can't

>what's actually throwing you off
I guess it's too loud, it's too in my ears I need to hear myself to hear my flow

>>74291240
Not my thing but this sounds legit as fuck. Is that you singing? I'd love to get some stems and remix that voice.

guitars are a bit muddy after the drop but you can just re-eq right?

>>74291396
Well then there's your answer

If you mean an actual studio just tell them, though that sounds like a dumb mistake for whoevers recording you to make

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any feedbacks? I'm just fucking around on a shitty mic.

https://clyp.it/jqebaclc

I'm trying to go for spoken word but at the same time, not to make it too pretentious.

>>74291342
maaate. thanks for the solid idea.

>>74291240
this is fucking rad. I don't think sludge is your problem, the mix is just missing dem sparkly highs. Use a harmonic exciter on the highest frequencies and it should probably sound alright imho.

Hows this sounding /prod/?

https://clyp.it/gtcpmhf4

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>>74281611
That was a good read. Thanks

i always thought the "resampling thru outboard mixers just for extra warmth" was a meme, but Tycho's stuff sounds super warm and if that is the way he does it... well fuck.

>>74291274
No because the skills of one sport don't translate to other sports but the skills from producing one genre translate almost completely to every other genre, since once you're good at sound design you'll be able to make everything that comes to your mind, including everything from the other guy's genre.
By practicing being a jack of all trades you can become a master of all trades because each one of them augments and complements the others.

>intimate knowledge about the genre
Also known as, being boring as fuck and only doing things within the boundries of a single genre.

Meanwhile my guy will make your guy's genre better than him because of his superior overall skills, and make original and innovative songs because can borrow ideas and techniques from all the other genres he knows.

How can you not realize how almost everyone who's considered the top of a genre is there because of the innovation they did to distinguish themselves from the hordes of insects who decided to be specialized in one single genre thst he'll make by conforming to all the special rules and conventions he spent years learning and that will get him to making music that sounds exactly the same as everyone else who specializes in the same genre.

Not to mention that in 5 years your guy will be making obsolete shit that no one will listen to anymore (he himself will be tired of it but won't be able to do anything else and will be stuck in a musical limbo), while my guy will make his own version of whatever he wants and be successful without selling out.

>>74291864
not the guy you're arguing with but you're cringy af.

>>74291895
The price of being right.

how do you check which instruments are overlapping the other's frequencies. or which one to cut when you make room for the other.

>>74291895
i thought that was supposed to be a parody of some kind..?

i've found myself triggered and wanting to reply to the aesthetic discussions that occasionally pop up, but it's always so glaringly obvious that these are probably 15 year olds and people who never stepped out of their bubble to widen their viewpoint.

... it's best not to get caught up in that shit. just make music and let that crowd talk amongst themselves

>>74292053
... listen to them? ask yourself what's hard to hear, should it be hard to hear? does one thing need to be at the front? what should be the supporting instrument?

don't default to the reciprocal cuts and boosts like recording revolution tells you to do- that's noob shit. lower volume, rerecord, and cut/shelf accordingly.

>>74292048
The price of delivering a semi-correct point like a fucking mongoloid.

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>>74278076
https://clyp.it/04tficwq

Fixed up the pacing of the song and did some minor mixing changes. Also added an LFO to the pitch of the fez sounding synth and sidechained it.

Thoughts on it?

>>74292053
>how do you check which instruments are overlapping the other's frequencies.
You check what frequencies one sound takes and you remember them while you check those of the second sound.

>or which one to cut when you make room for the other
You usually should cut the lower-pitched sound at the frequencies around the fundamental of the higher-pitched one, but you should also take into account which one is "in front" and which is "in the back", so you don't end up ruining the important one while preserving the unimportant one.
Also take into account how important those frequencies you're removing.

And always remember that problems like this shouldn't be solved in mixing but in the arranging and sound design/selection, so when you make your songs keep these things in mind from the start and you won't have a headache later.

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>been making beats for years
>use a preset on new track because it sounds too good

at least i changed the oscillators
but the filter and plugin envelopes are the same

the guilt is palpable
i need a drink

>>74292111
English is my third language, it's 2AM, and I'm phoneposting to argue semi-seriously on a 4chan thread.

Sorry if I don't sound as cool as you.

>>74291657
Great song, voice sounds good, great arrangement. Would listen/10

Gonna re listen and give feedback as it plays

I like the chord choices on the piano at the beginning, but the climbing notes could you some tinkering imo. Maybe more octave climbs.

After the intro piano and the other parts comes in, I think the reverb on the piano might be too much/clashing, what if the reverb on in was reduced during those parts?

Vocal tone is great. Mix wise I think it would fit it better if it were layered with reverb/delay/distortion in some areas (specifically thinking similar to the vocal effect on the chorus of nine inch nails - branches / bones)

I can dig the trap style beat, but tone wise maybe less generic trap and more ambient or lofi

Good stuff my man

hows this sounding /prod/?
https://clyp.it/h2odmxxn

this is the reference
https://clyp.it/vdrfkdnn

>>74284633
>For example their midi/instrument/audio-effect racks, which allow you to do a billion things that would just be impossible with other DAWs or require complex routings to achieve what you can do in two clicks with Ableton.
like?

>>74291864
"sounding like X" isn't what X sounds like, you will always sound fake to people who understand the genre if you approach music like a novelty competition instead of allowing yourself to get personally involved

introduce me to trap/electronic music

i want to make guitar music mixed with these popular electronics

>>74292697
>approach music like a novelty competition instead of allowing yourself to get personally involved
talk mor into thet

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Does this hold your attention? Do you notice what I'm trying to do here? Does this just sound like noise now?

>lo-fi
>krautrock
>noise-pop
https://clyp.it/aawxw5hb

>>74292678
Watch a few youtube videos on audio effect racks and see how they work and what can you do with them.

You can duplicate the signal into a number of parallel new chains upon which you can apply different effects and switch between them, crossfade them, or rotate them between them with the chain selector (in instrument racks this lets you assign different instruments to different notes or groups of notes, which for ecample allows you to have different versions of the same sound for each octave and gradually crossfade them).
You can ise them to split the signal into M/S, L/R, and frequency bands, and apply different effects on each new chain, and do all these things at the same time, since you can also nest them one inside the other.
You can also use vocoders in new way because you can vocode a sound to itself at a different point of the chain (or at a different version of it).
You can AB many versions of something by simply putting it inside a rack and duplicating it.
This also makes layering incredibly easy and powerful because you can layer instruments and effects on a single track.

Also I forgot about drum racks, which are both an instrument rack and a drum machine/sampler that lets you assign a completely different instrument and effect chain to each slot (triggered by midi notes on a midi clip) and can be used for all sorts of sounds.

And each rack has 8 macro knobs that you can use to control all automatable parameters of it and of everything inside it with a precision you can set with a range.
This makes it so easy and fast to make complex automations by automating one single knob to move hundreds of knobs at the same time.

You can basically make your own effects by stacking and layering plugins and controlling them with the macros in a new "device" that you can now save and reuse.

Seriously, just watch a few videos on them because I can't explain how many things you can potentially do with them as well as a video showing you what they can do.

>>74293132
>Does this hold your attention?
still a no

sounds better than last time though for sure. i haven't listened to krautrock besides neu so no, i don't get what you're trying to do here outside of the random guitar fuckery at the end

still too much fuzz, it's not really pleasing at all

>>74293164
it still blows my mind that people make music without racks and macros lol

i can imagine it with more traditional stuff sure, but even slightly experimental stuff i would go with ableton for sure.

that said, trying to get (seriously) into mixing is kind of a hassle. Grouping rather than bussing is a pain.

>>74292471
I'm glad you liked it! Yeah i'll tinker around with what you said.

>>74293164
lol will i understand your post if i watch a video on what is a rack in ableton?

>>74292697
>you will always sound fake to people who understand the genre
No because I won't be a poser and try to make "genuine" stuff that follows all the conventions of the genre. I'll be making my own version of the genre which will be a completely new thing that's not trying to be genuine.
Just like what happens when new genres branch off from an old one by making it with fundamental differences that warrant a new name/label.
Would that be considered fake too?
And if it was, why should I care about people who specialize in a single genre think? They're literally the opposite of my philosophy and what they think will be disagreeable to me anyway.

>you approach music like a novelty competition instead of allowing yourself to get personally involved
Strawman.
I never said I'll treat it like a novelty competition.
All I'm saying is that someone like Jiro who's a master at making sushi won't be an overall good cook as a well-rounded chef like Marco Pierre White that can cook anything and make new revolutionary recipes by mix-matching ingredients and recipes from different cuisines, even if his sushi won't be as good as Jiro's (but that's not important because his is still good enough and making the best sushi isn't his goal, but creating the best new recipes is).

>>74293449
What is that you don't understand of my post?

>>74293449
Yeah, once you get used to them you'll never be able to go back.

>>74293619
limitations inspire creativit

>>74293777
so do new ways of working though

soz no shill on phone so cant use clitit but this is a work in prog https://soundcloud.com/andrelp/atoll-wip

>>74293777
If I have creativity problems (which is never because I know how to workflow) I can always limit myself deliberately, but I'd rather have the superior capabilities at my disposal instead of not having them and making excuses to justify the inferiority of my tools.

>>74293497
You somehow believe that specializing in a genre means making shit music, we are talking about two good musicians, one who thinks he can do the work of every other better without focus, and one who focuses on the type of music he loves to push it further

The thing is there are thousands of well-rounded chefs like Marco Pierre, but only one Jiro, Jiro is a master, Marco Pierre is a jack of all trades and master of none. Jiro will make sushi that will inspire a million Marco Pierre's for posterity

Ultimately its breadth vs depth, wide vs tall, etc

Anyone else ever want to be that guy in those 90s movie scenes playing music at one of those dark bdsm rave things? Anyway, I made a bass I like and did the most basic 4 on the floor shit imaginable. I know the structure and drums are shit, but does anyone have any comments on how the bass sounds? It's from kind of a simulated modular setup, two VCOs, a VCF, LFO, envelope, chorus, and reverb modules. Any tips? I'm trying to go modular irl.

>>74294093
Shit forgot my link, I'm drunk
https://clyp.it/0wyqvfxe

https://clyp.it/h2odmxxn
https://clyp.it/vdrfkdnn
is my track too muddy in comparision
i think its around 200~300hz


>>74293528
everything is a new thing that i have to look up
and the other 50% is laziness/brainfog to read and learn new information

>switch between the effects within the chain
>crossfade
>rotate effects
>vocoders
>etc more

>>74294093

I'm 25 and still have this dream

>>74294496
I'm the guy who made the post and I am also 25, we need more data to see if this is related

>>74294093
>similar feel of wanting to play live techno
>live in northern new england

>>74294640
Shit, that's actually relatively near my area. If we both pursue this, maybe it'll catch on

is there a vst/sample library torrent bundle for lazy retards like me

>>74294033
>You somehow believe that specializing in a genre means making shit music
Not at all.
Of course people who specialize can make excellent music.
What I'm saying is that it won't be as groundbreaking and innovative as the other guy's music.

>we are talking about two good musicians, one who thinks he can do the work of every other better without focus, and one who focuses on the type of music he loves to push it further
Nope. You're still judging the "all-genres" guy with the same parameters you use to judge the "single-genre" guy.
In other words, you take what's good about the single-genre guy (his focus on perfecting a specific thing) and judge the all-genres guy because he doesn't have it (when he doesn't even want to and it's not the point of his music).
That's like saying the eagle is a better animal than the cheetah because the cheetah can't fly or vice versa because the eagle can't run fast.
One doesn't even want to do the other's thing in the first place and it's entirely not the point of his being/music.

Remember we're not comparing the music created by each to decide which is better. We're comparing who's a better producer after 5 years of practicing in their respective ways.

All I'm saying is that the guy who learned all those different techniques will be a better overall producer than the guy who trained to do one thing well but doesn't have all the ragne of the other one and can't make unique and innovative music as much.

1/2

>>74294033
Take any one of those dubstep brostep producers in 2011 and compare them to Skrillex.
While they were focussing on making the best dubstep he was focussing on making the best music (in whatever genre), and now they're still making slow improvements on their dubstep while Skrillex has made songs in several different genres and they were all good, unique, and well received, and in the meantime his dubstep evolved a lot more than that of those guys, and you can clearly hear the other genreses influences on it that make it unique.

>The thing is there are thousands of well-rounded chefs like Marco Pierre, but only one Jiro, Jiro is a master, Marco Pierre is a jack of all trades and master of none. Jiro will make sushi that will inspire a million Marco Pierre's for posterity
You can be the best one trick pony in the world and if you're happy about making classic sushi at the highest level possible then good for you, but I'd rather be the guy who can still make good sushi AND invent new ways of cooking it that are different and new.

Because let's face it. if we're talking about making music as a career, you're much better off being the unique guy rather than being the perfectionist guy who follows specific rules.

>Ultimately its breadth vs depth, wide vs tall, etc
That's a nonvalid analogy because here the depth is just an arbitrary feature that your guy happens to be strong in (being "true" or "genuine" to a genre's conventions).
For example I can consider depth in the complexity and richness of the different techniques used at the same time, which is something my guy is strong at.

2/2

>>74294703
Why would you blindly download VSTs and samples? Just look up "vst demo" on youtube and find one that actually has sounds you like or is sufficiently customizable and intuitive for your needs. For samples there are similar videos. If you're not willing to put in at least that much effort, I don't see how you'll be able to finish a track.

>>74294746
because hes lazy

>>74294703
rutracker

>>74294703
There isn't a single bundle but there are multiple that are pretty good.
Start with Serum and LFOtool
Then Get KOMPLETE Ultimate
Then the Fabfilter Bundle
Then the Waves complete one (I think it's the Mercury but I'm not sure)
Then the iZotope producer bundle
Then the Image-Line bundle if you're not using FL Studio but you're on Windows.

You should be good enough for a start.

I can't help you with Samples because I never use them.

>>74294534
>>74294668

>tfw Americunt

And I listened to your clyp. You've got a good foundation with that bassline, but a lot is getting lost in it.

>>74294821
soundtoys is nice also pirate it if you cant buy it

>>74294354
That's all pretty basic man.
You should read these >>74244108

At least Dance Music Manual. It will bring you up to speed with all the basics so you'll be able to understand posts and tutorials like that one.

>>74294874
Yeah, I hear good things about them, but I never used them personally so I can't really vouch for them.

>>74294826
Yeah I agree, I just didn't want to edit it too heavily since the point was the modular aspect of it and understanding how to build the sound. If I use it for an actual recording, I'd eq it properly in post. Thanks for listening to my dumb garbage.

>>74294821
>all this fucking shit
>to start

Komplete alone will keep you going for a long time. If you can't do with just that and stock plugins for mixing, you probably suck

>>74294999
It was meant like "to cover all your bases", and it was gradual for a reason (meaning get them one at a time instead of all at once, and KOMPLETE was the first bundle after Serum and LFOtool).

>>74294999
>If you can't do with just that and stock plugins for mixing, you probably suck
Well, I think he implied that by making that post, no?

https://clyp.it/vdrfkdnn
https://clyp.it/agzv5au3
someone pls

>>74295054
Tbqhwyanon having too much to learn and choose from is likely to confuse or encourage new producers to spam presets

>>74295153
But he didn't ask for essential plugins.
He asked for bundles, which I took as "I want a lot of good plugins", because if he wanted a small selection he could've just used what his DAW came with.

how do you make drenched in reverb hack music? Just use presets? I've always thought music with a ton of reverb was just bullshit, but then I tried putting more reverb into make tracks and it sounds like it's an additional element being added and not a coherent large space that the track is being played it.

>>74295306
You have to be really good at mixing and also at arrangement, since it's an important way to not make te reverbs clash as much.

>>74295306
Which drenched in reverb hack music? Lo-fi hip hop or synthwave?

>>74295126
PARASITE LADEEEAAAYYYY!!!

>>74295189
lol okay dude who cares

>>74295306
sidechain, eq, gates, automation, actually tweaking your reverb duh

>>74295126
snare got dulled out, brought it back up
https://clyp.it/5tsvjh2s
what tweak its missing on either master or mixing guys
guys

>>74295498
\m/ !!

I hate myself because all I can do is create certain melodic loops and can never create a complete track.

https://clyp.it/dxfpbfsi

>>74295673
I'm finding it quite hard to understand the lyrics / vocals in general. I can just hear them but i gotta focus quite hard. I'd suggest making a small hole in the mix, somewhere that permits, to make the vocals less muddy.

>>74292145
I'll hop on that track

>>74295872
Fuller but still essentially a single loop.

https://clyp.it/miaurrlc

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https://discord.gg/qMXswZ

>>74295872
>>74296089
Sounds like you just need to keep at it and continue to get a feel for how to produce, it'll come eventually but you gotta be determined about it.

>>74296155
expired and OLD

the discord still sucks

How do I into making vapowave in Ableton??

>>74296167
Yeah, I suppose so. I just hate abandoning tracks because I can't elaborate any further on it after creating a piece I'm happy with.

>>74295872
Hey, here's some okay advice: listen to tracks you like. Don't do it to enjoy them, but analyze. Take notes. What's repeating? What new things are coming in? When? Really break down their structure in terms of distinguishable parts. Then without trying to copy their instrumentation, melody, or anything, write something that follows that structure you extracted. Figure out why it works. Do that enough and you'll start getting a feel for it.

>>74294093
Yes, also with modulars

>>74294703
Just look up different VSTs on YouTube and sample the audio from that

/thread

>>74296569
Thanks.

This is probably the closest I've gotten to making a track with a beginning middle and end by my self.

https://clyp.it/t1i13ip3

>>74296665
Hey, if we work together maybe we can afford like half a eurorack

>>74296515
Dude, dw, about 80% of my projects on fl are shit and i never go back to them, there are gonna be shit projects, its normal. Not every song you try and make is gonna be amazing, just keep at it and your average sound will get better.

>>74296880
>>74296515
even if you don't think it's good, at least try to have some kind of structure, even if it's just building up to end at a climax, or verse chorus verse chorus etc or whatever little simple shit

writing full songs is a skill you need to practice too- keep at it and you'll learn what works

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how am i doing guys?

https://clyp.it/g1yo30hb

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>all these people posting passable work
>nothing you've made even has a semblance of a beat

That very first moment of realization that you're a brainlet is like ecstasy.

>>74288119
anyone?

>>74298260
Pretty sure this is a /prod/ thread not a /r9k/ self loathing thread.
Keep at it you big baby.

>>74298260
post some work, you're probably just being over critical

>>74288119
>how do you separate tracks that only sound good in one specific frequency range?

EQ them for that range? Cut all the frequencies that you don't need, then your tracks won't sound so muddy together, because they're not overlapping on the same frequencies

>>74298277
why don't you just eq and compress the drums to make them sound not muddy? or mix them differently? or just use different drums?

beat is iight, not my type of music but i liked some of the sounds you used

>>74294116
I made a more complete version of this, still reluctant to do much in terms of EQing the bass until I learn how to do it with irl modules, since that feels like cheating

https://clyp.it/xymn0yo0

Once again, feedback is neat if you want

When is it time to throw a track into the abyss and start anew?

>>74299372
I generally keep everything I do, then once a month I go back and listen to it all. Whatever has something I like, I keep again, maybe spend less than an hour trying to embellish it or fix things. If I really like it, I'll try to finish it with fresh eyes. Everything else goes. Repeat.

>>74289255
Really?

Lately, I have been getting a bunch of new plugs on the house and I feel like an asshole for doing that (yes, one day, I will pay for that 500$ reverb VST).

What's /prod/ opinion on cracked softwares?

is polyphony overrated?

>>74300629
Life is too short to care about morals when the damage done by the crime is so imperceptibly small but the advantage you get from it is so big.

Becoming a successful musician is already very hard even with all the cards in your favor, so I'm not going to hinder myself on something so important just because it's wrong.
I'm instead going to do everything I can to help myself get ahead because when I'm on my death bed after living a life of failure I don't want to regret not doing everything that would've helped me not waste the only life I have.

how the fuck do you guys find inspiration? any good techniques?

>>74300644
Are chords overrated? It's all about deciding what you want your track to sound like. Just remember, if you don't want polyphony for an instrument, you can usually turn it off.

>>74300706
Move to a state/country where inspiration is legal

>>74300706
I usually just fuck around until I make a sound I like, then work from there. I do have a decent theory background and a lot of experience with physical instruments though, so writing melodic and harmonic parts might be a bit easier if you have that. Otherwise, just have fun and make stuff you can listen to and not hate yourself afterward. Don't worry too much about it not being a masterpiece, just make stuff as often as you can/want

>>74300706
Just keep working like Picasso said.
Usually, when I grab my guitar/launch Ableton, I have almost zero inspiration, but after 3 or 4 hours of playing around, I surely have found some insteresting ideas to work on.

>>74300682
I hear you, but what if one day your work start interesting some people and for whatever reason they see your DAW full of stolen stuff?

>>74300774
>I hear you, but what if one day your work start interesting some people and for whatever reason they see your DAW full of stolen stuff?
Yeah, I'd rather not get caught doing it obviously, but it's likely that if I'm doing it professionally and that that information would ruin my reputation, then I'll probably have bought everything, as it's much better to have proper licenses and not having to deal with keygens, lack of updates, programs deactivating, etc.

Or do you mean something else?

>>74300629
>>74289255


>Lately, I have been getting a bunch of new plugs on the house and I feel like an asshole for doing that (yes, one day, I will pay for that 500$ reverb VST).

I've never really understood the whole piracy thing really. I know it's really easy and guilt free if you tell yourself things like "well software devs overprice their stuff as they expect everyone to pirate it" but the people who make these software plugins still do this for a living and deserve to get paid for their hard work. Maybe I'm a bit soft but I like to support people that make things that I enjoy using on a daily basis. Imagine a world where only the professionals are expected to pay you for the job you do and it is kinda acceptable by everyone else to not pay you for the work you've do Everything?
When I bought my last computer in 2012 I decided in a way to cut down the amount of software installed on my computer I would buy all my software. (I'm not a professional I make music for fun, I have no intentions of ever making money from my hobbie and haven't done since I started 20 years ago) So far this is working out really well for me. Buying new software has become exciting again.
This attitude that pirating software is crime less and ok also crosses over to films and music two of the biggest industries for producers. How would you feel about working on your first album or ep and when it's released nobody buys it because it's been leaked on the Internet and had thousands of free downloads? I'm not sure I'd be all that bothered but I'm not trying to make a living off of my music. If a career in the music industry is something you are working towards then this is obviously worth a thought.

how do you get a pluck to sound this murky and full?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N0XEkOc4j8

>>74277996
If I follow everything that was written in OP's can I become someone who is better than Grimes?

>>74300908
>I've never really understood the whole piracy thing really.
>When I bought my last computer in 2012 I decided in a way to cut down the amount of software installed on my computer I would buy all my software.

>>74300952
You can do that even without reading OP's stuff.

is there any software where I can sing a melody and then it picks up the notes? im using ableton if that helps

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>>74301000
Ableton 9.x can do that but I'm not sure how accurate it is.

Also Melodyne is the gold standard for that sort of thing.

>>74300958
Yes as stated (if you are clever and read between the lines)I had pirated software before. I never understood the it's ok to do attitude though. Like if everyone had this anons attitude >>74300682 then everyone would be stepping on everyone else to get ahead in whatever it is they are pursuing, who's going to buy this anons music when he's a successful musician when they can download it for free in a crime less crime, and spend the money they saved on pursuing their own success...do you see how this all works out?

>>74301079
>Like if everyone had this anons attitude >>74300682 then everyone would be stepping on everyone else to get ahead in whatever it is they are pursuing, who's going to buy this anons music when he's a successful musician when they can download it for free in a crime less crime, and spend the money they saved on pursuing their own success...do you see how this all works out?
I'm that guy and you're right, if everyone pirates then nobody's going to buy my music (pirates are a diamond dozen), WHICH IS WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
Selling the music itself stopped being a real source of income many years ago, and now it's just the vehicle to gain popularity and get paid a lot doing live shows (the real income).

In other words, it's already a doggy dog world, and I'm not gonna be the only sucker paying for other people's stuff when other people don't pay for mine.

And btw, the "if everyone did that it would be chaos" isn't a valid argument because if literally everyone acted a certain way I'd probably act differently as well.
If I'm doing certain things it's because I live in a society where people act a certain way and I'm reacting accordingly.

Don't get me wrong, I strongly believe that piracy is wrong and is only slightly less bad than stealing, but I'm accepting that I'm a piece of shit because I care much more about the big advantages that I get than the small damage that I do to others (which technically is nonexistant since if piracy didn't exist I'm 100% sure I would've never bought anything).

If I could afford it I'd buy everything, but it's because it's better for me, not because it's the right thing to do.

>>74301183
>Selling the music itself stopped being a real source of income many years ago, and now it's just the vehicle to gain popularity and get paid a lot doing live shows (the real income).
The reason for this is because of people with the same mentality as you. It's like cutting off your knob so spite your face. People with the same mentality have ruined that part of the music industry for you and everyone else. What about the comfy artists that like working in the studio and don't want to do live shows?

>In other words, it's already a doggy dog world, and I'm not gonna be the only sucker paying for other people's stuff when other people don't pay for mine.

Yeah that's the whole thing there I don't understand about piracy and peoples attitudes towards it. He's not paying for it so neither shall I.

>And btw, the "if everyone did that it would be chaos" isn't a valid argument because if literally everyone acted a certain way I'd probably act differently as well.
you arnt acting differently you are doing the exact opposite.

>diamond dozen
>doggy dog world
Kek

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>>74301401
>The reason for this is because of people with the same mentality as you. It's like cutting off your knob so spite your face. People with the same mentality have ruined that part of the music industry for you and everyone else. What about the comfy artists that like working in the studio and don't want to do live shows?
I'm one of those artists and I have to accept that regardless of what I do, the world will still be full of selfish people, so I have to suck it up and do what I need to do to make money.

>Yeah that's the whole thing there I don't understand about piracy and peoples attitudes towards it. He's not paying for it so neither shall I.
It's becuse piracy is one of those phenomenons where a large percentage of people has to stop doing it to even make a dent in the situation.
It's like people who complain about pro cycling saying that the sport is ruined because every athlete is using performance-enhancing drugs.
As one of those athletes I can agree with that, but if I'm competing with everyone else who does the same, using PEDs is my only chance of being competitive, and not using them will only make a (negative) difference for me and no difference whatsoever on the problem, so it would be useless.
Or owning a business in a corrupt city where you have to pay politics to have them help your company.
Me refusing to play that game will only hinder my company which now doesn't have the advantage of virtually every other one, while not making a dent in the corruption problem.

It's not out of spite. It's just because not pirating will only hinder your chances at success and will make virtually no positive difference.
You'll be the only guy with a handicap competing with all the others who don't have it, sacrificing your chances at getting ahead (or even just at making music to its fullest potential) for nothing.

1/2

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>>74301401
>>And btw, the "if everyone did that it would be chaos" isn't a valid argument because if literally everyone acted a certain way I'd probably act differently as well.
>you arnt acting differently you are doing the exact opposite.
I mean, if literally everyone pirated it would be indeed chaos, but the industry would change to account for it (because no company would keep selling software if just one guy bought it for everyone else) and I'd have to do something different based on what the situation would be in that world.
If I'm pirating to get ahead it's because we live in the current society and I think this is the best course of action for me in this world.
Just like if nobody pirated I'd have a different outlook on this whole phenomenon (but I'd still probably think my advantages are more important than those of strangers).

>>diamond dozen
>>doggy dog world
>Kek
Glad you found them funny, but they're not my jokes. They're from a pasta.

2/2

>>74301695
>>74301704
I'm glad you took the time out to explain. It's not as straight forward as piracy is bad, but there is no doubt piracy is killing the industries that are most affected by it, like you've pointed out there is little money to be made in record sales anymore. I'd hate to see the software company's that make music software that I use and love go the same way and have to close up shop. I guess I look at it in the opposite way to most and regardless of what everyone else is doing I think the software I use is worth the money I pay for it for the enjoyment I get from it and I like to think that the money they get from me helps them develope that software more making it better.

>>74301973
Yeah, no doubt it's objectively bad for the world and it would be better if it disn't exist, and I'm definitely grateful that there are people like you who pay for the stuff that wouldn't exist otherwise.
I'm just not willing to sacrifice something for it, but if you're happy paying and being a good person, then good for you.

Cheers.

>>74301079
You don't need to get on your high horse. I was just asking what was /prod/'s stance on pirating.
I know eventually I will pay for most of my softwares (first and foremost so I don't look like a cunt in front of other people/musicians), but first, I want to try a few things.

>Glad you found them funny, but they're not my jokes. They're from a pasta.
nice

>>74301973
Also software companies can be total cunts and stop updating their software making it obsolete on newer computers, this leaves a massive sour taste to those that have shelled out hard earned cash for that software...would these company's have enough money to carry on developing that software if so many people weren't pirating their software?...maybe so...
I know company's such as waves get shit on a lot but they still support a lot of their old software. Plugins I used nearly 20 years ago by waves are still updated and I still use them now in my productions.

>>74302039
Well, I don't think that a product being shitty is a good reason to pirate it.
If you don't like how the company operates just don't get their products.
Running a company is no joke, and if they decided that doing those things was the best decision for the company's interests, then they have the full right to do so.
I don't think it's right to spite them just for that.

>>74302005
>You don't need to get on your high horse. I was just asking what was /prod/'s stance on pirating.
I wasn't trying to sound like I was on my high horse. I was giving my opinion on pirating and the reasons in my mind for why I now pay for all my software. I can't imagine any musician/producer has ever not pirated some software at some point and I know it's fairly standard for a lot of people even professionals to try before they buy with pirated software before buying a product due to demos being almost unusable to evaluate in their demo mode. A great example of this is the revolution drum machine which the developers claim there are over something like 5000 808 kick drum samples used in a round robin to make their software sound so great yet the demo doesn't even let you hear this great sounding kick drum

>>74302094
I wasn't saying it was a shitty product I ment that once you'd bought it and 2 years down the line they stop supporting it to run on newer operating systems is a bit of a cunt for the customers

>>74302121
shitty product, shitty service, or shitty anything.
Still within their rights to stop spending money on development of old plugins if they think it won't make them money.
Of course it would be good if companies did everything to offer the best to their customers even if it would lose them money, but the company doesn't exist to do you a favor. It exists to make them money (which in software is often very little).

It's like you open a restaurant and don't offer free drink refills so people get their drinks refilled anyway because "it's a shitty service and every other restaurant I go to gives free refills, so if they want to be assholes I'm gonna be an asshole too".

>>74302207
>It's like you open a restaurant and don't offer free drink refills so people get their drinks refilled anyway because "it's a shitty service and every other restaurant I go to gives free refills, so if they want to be assholes I'm gonna be an asshole too".
I'd say it's more like going to a restaurant and paying for a 3 course meal then halfway through the starter you're asked to leave as they are shutting down the restaurant

>>74302283
No because when you go to a restaurant, the ability to finish your meal is part of the deal.
Unless continued development and support for old progrms on new operating systems is esplicitly promised, then you have no reason to expect it, and much less to get angry at them for not fulfilling this thing that you decided they should give you.

>>74300920
what pluck?

i dont hear a pluck but 99% that it comes back to the source of the sound. instead of trying to EQ a sound, go back to the source, whether its the sample or the synthesis and you will find your problem.

"full" sounding has to do with how the song is balanced and understanding the value of frequencies

>>74300706
whats the point of making stuff with no inspiration? get excited. study what other people are doing. study genres, study how other artists time things, study how they make their sounds, study the good sections of your drafts.

>>74295940
thanks. where you suggest to make that hole?

Wasn't sure where to ask but figured you guys could help.
I got a midi synth with Absynth and it's great but not very good for a classic grand piano sound. Which other programs can I use for this that sound good?

>>74302372
Not him but arond the fundamental frequencies of the vocal

I'm a complete beginner to music production.
What's a good DAW that I can get which isn't too expensive for when I decide to buy one down the line?

>>74302394
Kontakt libraries.
I personally use The Giant but there are many more.
Jusst google "best piano kontakt", restrict the results to only show stuff within the last couple of years, and look for forums where someone asks about them and gets responses.

>>74302427
FL Studio is pretty good for how relatively cheap it is, but I suggest Ableton as it's superior (and can use FL's plugins as VSTs so you get the best of both worlds).

Especially if yo're just starting, Ableton will make it so much easier because most guides and tutorials are for it.
It's basically becoming the standard in electronic music production.

Also read this >>74294890

>>74299096
The bass sounds good, but this type of music is nothing without good drums. Seems like you're on thr right track though. Maybe do some automation on the bass to give it a sense of progression? But the texture is nice

>>74279815
Just try to enjoy the process. Any creative pursuit takes time. Ask anyone on the top of their game and they'll tell you it takes a lot of time and effort.

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What do peopel think of Podium? Been wanting to move to a new, cheap/free DAW. Been leaning towards this one but am also considering Reaper and Sonar. Tried LMMS, didn't like it. I want to make techno using VSTs and samples, live performance features would be a nice extra.

(I've got the free versions of them all downloaded already, but I don't want to learn the UI 3 times just to make a decision)

>>74302510
Thanks man, do you have any tips for better drums that let me keep the sequenced feel?

>>74302434
Isn't Kontakt a plugin? Can I use it as a standalone as well or can I import into Absynth too? So far I've been using Absynth as a standalone without the need for a DAW.

How's Pro Tools First?

>>74302476
Lol, I was the one asking in that post which was linked with music theory. I'll make sure to read through them, I've just been a bit busy lately.

I remember finding a magazine in the stores that had a complete ableton tutorial, I probably should have picked it up. Do you think that the intro version might be a bit limiting, or would it be fine?

>>74302559
Use better samples, the kick and clap particularly stand out as not fitting to the tone you're going for. Maybe add a few more layers to the beat as well, it feels kinda empty as it is

>>74302630
With the Intro you might be hindered because of how Ableton works by integrating its different parts, so by not having the Suite you'll constantly find yourself quitting tutorials midwy because they use something that's only in Suite or things like that.

I can help you pirating it if you want.

Also watch Sadowick's Ableton course on Youtube. It's free, thorough enough (but easy for a beginner) and he's pretty good at explaining things.

>>74302635
Solid advice. I concur.

>>74300908
>How would you feel about working on your first album or ep and when it's released nobody buys it because it's been leaked on the Internet and had thousands of free downloads?
If I made an album thousands of people listened to I could die the next day and rest in peace.

>>74302635
Thanks, I'll try again and be a bit more careful with my selections. See you in the next thread, maybe

>>74302713
If I wanted to pirate it, I would just go on rutracker or something. The point is, I want to one day when I'm comfortable with the software to actually buy it, but $600 is just out of my price range.

I'll try out ableton and watch those tutorials though, thank you.

>>74302560
Ah sorry.
Yes Kontakt is a plugin and no it doesn't have a standalone mode AFAIK, but there are free DAWs you can use. If you just need to run a VST for playing a keyboard then whatever you choose will be good.

I hear Reaper is pretty good and it's free (technically a trial but it's 100% complete and you can just use the trial indefinitely).

>>74302762
pirate it and then buy it once you get a job?

>>74302762
Then it depends on how serious you are about music production.
If you plan on taking it seriously like it was your plan for a future career, than I think it's better to choose the best option and not buying it for longer (or never). Most people only buy it once they become successful so you can still consider that option.

If you're just doing it for light fun as a hobby, then get FL Studio because it's the next best thing and it's way cheaper with lifetime support (meaning if you buy the current version, the one that comes out in 10 years will still be free).

In that case, watch SeamlessR's tutorials.

>>74302427
I'd say just get the one that fits your budget. All daws do essentially the same thing they let you sequence notes and audio over pitch and time.
If you have a Mac logic is well worth a look, has great stock instruments and effects, is relatively cheap compared to other daws, and is worth the price alone for alchemy.
Pretty much all the other daws will have cheaper versions that will be absolutely fine for beginners and when you out grow the basic package you'll be able to upgrade to a more feature heavy version.

>>74302738
I have made an album thousands of people have listened to. It's an overrated feeling, and makes following up on that album complete torture. I agree that earning money from it really feels meaningless though.

>>74302560
Can confirm kontakt works as standalone and as a VST.

>>74302971
What you're saying is as retarded as telling a virgin that sex is overrated.

>>74302824
Seamless can be great for beginners, depending on the video
Wish he wouldn't use Harmor for fucking everything though, as great as it is

>>74302769
I'm more looking for something like Guitar Rig but for piano, so yeah as a standalone. Absynth would be perfect if it had a proper grand.

>>74302977
Oh, great. Sorry I didn't refresh before I posted >>74303161. I'll check it out thanks.

>>74303161
Then sorry but I don't really know about that (I'm more into producing than playing).

Just for curiosity:
Why do you want a good-sounding grand piano?
Do you want to record it and make music out of it or you just want it to sound nice for when you play?

>>74303203
A few reasons. I want to do more than just use my synth for ambience and samples for one. I want to learn myself to play the piano properly as it's the elder god tier instrument as well. Also it's easier to write and reproduce melodies on a piano than it is on a guitar. And then of course sometimes there's just melodies that go better on a piano or just pop up in my head as a piano sound, and I can't record (or even play) them right now, or I have to compromise.

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>>74303177
Just to make sure i tested it for you anon

(pic related)

>>74303268
No, I meant why do you want a piano that sounds good as opposed to the shitty piano inside Absynth or whichever other sound?

Wouldn't it be the same if you're just trying to learn to play the piano?

Do you want to record it and make music out of it or you just want it to sound nice for when you play?

>>74303306
Not that anon but everytime I load up one of the ni Kontact library's for pianos or organs they sound so lifelike to me just for a second or two I think about learning to play

>>74303306
I mean, both. How would I immerse myself in a melody or think it's worth working upon if it sounds like shit?

>>74303350
Alright, I understand you.

But regarding production and composition, consider this:
When I first started producing I'd make a cool sound with synths or whatever and then make a melody with it and it sounded very cool.
Then if for one reason or another I put the melody on a default initialized synth or a real instrument they sounded like shit.
This is because the cool sound masks the shittyness of the melody.
So I started composing everything with just saw waves (and sines for subs and kicks and pure white noise for snares and hats) and only changing envelopes, volume, and sometimes a bit of filtering, so it all sounded so basic and uninteresting and I was forced to make it sound better with only the midi, and once I was satisfied with the result, I would change the sounds and use cool ones.
The difference was immense.
It made my music go from cool-sounding shitty songs, to cool-sounding good songs.
Most of electronic music sounds like shit when ported to regular instruments because it's all based on the "production" side of music production, without really caring for the "music" part because the good sound or production masks it.

So keep that in mind when you compose something that sounds good. Maybe you didn't compose something good but you just think you did because the sound makes it sound good regardless.

>>74302757
Back a little early. So I put a little bit more stuff into it and I don't know if this is the right route with the drums. Do these have a better feel? Just trying to check before I waste a bunch of time
https://clyp.it/dwln5rvs

>>74303451
Solid advice, thanks a lot. I guess Since I'm approaching it more from a musician's perspective than a producer's I just can't make it work if I don't "feel" it, you know? I'm used to writing melodies on a guitar and I get a lot of feedback from it, both from physical vibrations and resonating harmonies, on top of the skeleton of the melody. Like what you describe here. Maybe some stuff I write sounds good just because I have a good guitar.

>>74303002
That's not retarded if sex is actually overrated.

>>74303551
Yeah, it's definitely not really enjoyable when you only have the skeleton, so it's a sacrifice you have to make for the final result.
If you mostly care about the "playing" part then it makes sense.

hey /prod/ i'm a vocalist recording demos with no soundproofing in my room.

When I hook up my microphone to begin recording in Ableton, the input signal is very weak and I cannot hear myself past the instrumentation.

What kind of things can I add to help bring out my voice and make up for the lack of soundproofing?

>>74302408
yeah but which instrument i cut at
i already did a cut on the guitars, if i make it of more db they will sound bad

>>74303591
It is but that's not the point.

https://clyp.it/rrfwwezl

huge 8 minute acid banger, spent like 10 minutes on mixing

>>74303642
What kind of microphone do you have?

>>74303852
shure pg58. dynamic mic.

>>74303827
Sorry I'm not that guy you were talking to. Just made a general suggestion because I didn't read the chain and thought you were asking for general mixing info.

>>74303874
I assume you've got an interface or a preamp and it might just need more gain.
If you're plugging it directly to the computer somehow then you're fucking up afaik.

>>74303642
>What kind of things can I add to help bring out my voice and make up for the lack of soundproofing?
That's not how it works. Unless you're going for a restrained sound either way.

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how to make this
https://clyp.it/an5xguej
sound better and more like the reference below
https://clyp.it/bt3ksnox

>>74303889
i understand
the chain is i posted a clyp of a rock mix and anon replied that the vocals were hard to understand

>>74303836
What is your point then? I don't understand. Why is telling someone something's overrated when it is so retarded?