>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week >/mu/

>>74225478
>>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week
if you actually believe this you know nothing about electronic music

>>74225506
if you don't believe it. you are what we call in the scene
"pard"

>>74225512
Pretty retarded scene then fuck

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>>74225478
>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week

who are you and why are you trying to turn ben into a meme

>>74225478
>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week

The last really excellent thing that came out was from 2013 and 2014 and one of those was only good because it sounded like it came from 1992.

>>74225600
>>74225577
>I get all my music from Pitchfork

>>74225615
>I get all my music from RA and a few youtube channels
If you really thing groundbreaking music could be released every week, you gotta have one of the most undiscerning ears on this board

>>74225627
>>I get all my music from RA and a few youtube channels
lmao m8. you realize theirs 100s of other websites releasing music right
nvm pards like you only stick to the facebook crap

>>74225615
>projecting this hard

It would be easier to admit you are just memeing.

>>74225478
Show me OP, please

>>74225640
i'm not a "pard", you braindead brit
if there were groundbreaking music released released each week, we would need a new word to signify "aha" moments in music's progress, don't you think?

>>74225677
nah just the music blogs not getting paid to promote the good stuff

too many good artist are stuck being introverts so they never get their chance to shine or even worse get fucked over by "agents" and end up just quitting.
sad really

>>74225478
>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week
>Proceeds to post an example of an "electronic music producer"
>UK Bass, House, Techno, Dubstep
Truly the masterpieces of our times.

>>74225771
>Ben UFO
>Producer

Kek.

>>74225831
Who even cares? It's not like UK Bass, House, Techno and Dubstep are worthwile genres.

>>74225771
ben ufo is a dj you fucking pard

>>74225855
On the whole I happen to agree but it's more that maybe it's better not to chat shit about something you're not that knowledgable about.

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>>74225855

Truly the opinion of an absolute pleb

>>74225897
>>74225855

>>74225927
>pard only talks about the genres he knows
u realize theirs more to that right?

>>74225855
>>74225927
Just like all popular music; rock, jazz, bleeps, hip hop etc

>>74225908
>>74225918
>>74225939
If those genres are the pinnacle of musical thought and experimentation, what do we call Edgard Varese, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Wendy Carlos then?

>>74225954
>Popular music
>Jazz
Are we in the 1940's now?

>>74225963
>If those genres are the pinnacle of musical thought and experimentation
Who in this thread has said anything close to that.

go back to /bleep/ OP, you're embarrassing yourself

>>74226009
>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week

>>74226009
>>74225918
>>74225908

>>74225963
>Edgard Varese, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Wendy Carlos
Are we in the 1940's now?

>>74226056
>Karlheinz Stockhausen: Formel (1951)
>Edgard Varese: Amériques (1918-1921)
>Wendy Carlos: Electronic Music Systems Demonstration Record (1967)
Please stop embarrassing yourself if you're capable of doing so.

>>74226025
/thread

Trying to think of really groundbreaking stuff from last decade or so.

The Haxan Cloak, Loops Haunt, Micachu/Mica Levi?

>>74226571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DJjsQ5qGY

>>74226571
Shackleton

>>74226571

what is groundbreaking about any these artists?

OP is right.

But he has to be somewhat retarded at the same time considering he hasn't understood that we're here only to discuss /mu/'s essential chartlist.

To understand electronic culture, you don't have to read the press like other subgenre. Just find some great djs and work your way from here. Most of the journalists are just failed musicians, there's basically no point in listening what they're saying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6vRvXVTPEw

>>74226669
trash

>>74225478
You have to remember /mu/ is 90% Americans and current American culture is hip hop, rock, pop and country and then that shitty festival EDM.

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>>74226669
>Just find some great djs
If you really think that this chart and djs comprise some all of the most important electronic music works, you're beyond saving. And no, I won't spoonfeed you, so don't bother to ask.

>>74226715
Are you agreeing with OP or pointing out something while not necessrily responding to him?

>>74226907
Just saying

>>74226881
Are you saying Arcade Fire and Tyler The Creator are better than (most) of that chart?

>>74226935
You really don't get it, do you? And I'm not OP by the way.

>>74226952
I'm asking an on-topic question regards the OP point, you gonna answer or what?

>>74226980
>And I'm not OP by the way.
It should've been clear by this. I'm not the one praising UK Bass, House, Techno and Dubstep. And if you've gotten that, why did you ask "Are you saying Arcade Fire and Tyler The Creator are better than (most) of that chart?"

>>74226881
Maybe you should stop being that agressive towards me until you can at least understand the difference between djs and producer.

Every guy who a little interest in music know all these releases. I was talking about djs like the ones on rinse fm, nts, bbcradio one and stuff

>>74227016
>I was talking about djs like the ones on rinse fm, nts, bbcradio one and stuff
Again, if you honestly think that's the best electronic music has to offer, you are beyond saving. I haven't been agressive towards anyone - you were capable of discovering /mu/, you are also perfectly capable of discovering what's the best electronic music has to offer.

>>74227011
I don't care if you are OP.
I don't care if you praise UK Bass et al

Why did I ask? Because OP was comparing most of that chart (and other contemporary electronic music) to Arcade Fire and Tyler The Creator so...

Are you saying Arcade Fire and Tyler The Creator are better than (most) of that chart?

>>74227039
OP and no-one else was comparing Ben UFO with Stockhausen, he was comparing them to Arcade Fire and Tyler The Creator.

>>74227046
>Because OP was comparing most of that chart (and other contemporary electronic music) to Arcade Fire and Tyler The Creator so...
Exactly. And I've already told you I'm not OP and that I don't praise UK bass or any number of similar genres at all.

>>74227046
>>74227061
>he was comparing them to Arcade Fire and Tyler The Creator.
Sure, and any reasonable person would see that's absurd.

>>74227039
Haha you're probably trolling or have no idea about what you're talking about. Hope you're not one of those french house or ambient retard lover tho

>>74227066
>I've already told you I'm not OP and that I don't praise UK bass
No one cares, answer the question.

Imagine being elitist about fucking dance music lmfao

>>74227085
So do you think contemporary electronic artists like Ben UFO are better and more groundbreaking than Arcade Fire and/or Tyler The Creator?

>>74227101
>>74227091
What is it with you people? I'm not OP and no, for the final time, I won't even attempt to compare Ben Ufo to Stockhausen or Arcade Fire and Tyler the Creator. I'm only aware of the last two because of the incessant amount of shitposts about them.

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>>74227121
or any popular music at all lmao

>>74227122
>artists like Ben UFO
Ben UFO is a DJ

>>74225963
Varese's stuff like Poeme Electronique is actually very primitive compared to what electronic music producers do today.

Stockhausen did do a lot with Kontakte, but every producer also has that level of control over their music, and has gone much further.

Wendy Carlos transcribed other works of classical to synth. Nothing super special.

You name drop people for the sake of looking superior, yet you have no clue of the music you speak of.

Not to mention these old guys have nothing to do with the P4K tier music everyone talks about here. /mu/ is out of touch considering it would rather discuss indieshit, rock, hip hop, etc. rather than the most interesting things happening right now musically. That's not to say a good percentage of /bleep/ isn't out of touch either because they only stick to dance music.

>>74227129
> I won't even attempt to compare Ben Ufo to Stockhausen or Arcade Fire and Tyler the Creator.
Why are you bringing Stockhausen into this thread at all, thats not what its about.

>>74227122
I would consider all of those a disgrace to electronic music.
>>74227129

>>74227122
ben ufo is a dj dumbass

>>74227159
Not what I asked.

Try again.

>>74227154
Someone brought him up specifically here:
>>74227061

>>74227145
>>74227163
DJ sets are contemporary plunderphonics compositions.

>>74227061
op here. i never compared ben ufo to any of them. just a picture i used.

>>74227166
Why are you so deliberately dense? Do you expect any other answer than no from me?
>>74227122
>So do you think contemporary electronic artists like Ben UFO are better and more groundbreaking than Arcade Fire and/or Tyler The Creator?
No. Are we finally done?

>>74227171
Okay, this question still stands.
>>74227122

>>74227149
>Stockhausen did do a lot with Kontakte, but every producer also has that level of control over their music, and has gone much further.
You're delusional

>>74227186
Okay, I would ask why not but since OP used a DJ as the opener instead of an actual music producer its pointless.

>>74227149
>Varese's stuff like Poeme Electronique is actually very primitive compared to what electronic music producers do today.
Couldn't it have anything to do with the fact that he was operating with the most primitive technology?
>Stockhausen did do a lot with Kontakte, but every producer also has that level of control over their music, and has gone much further.
I suppose you aren't aware of the fact that he didn't stop making music after 1960. And sure, technology enabled any number of subsequent composers to surpass him technologically.
>Wendy Carlos transcribed other works of classical to synth. Nothing super special.
Except popularizing the Moog synthisizer and being cited as influence by numerous bands.
>You name drop people for the sake of looking superior, yet you have no clue of the music you speak of.
How did you conclude that before this reply?
And I completely agree with the second part of your post.

>>74227189
And it will continue to stand until this thread gets archived, even though I answered it or implied my answer numerous times before. I'm done wasting time with you and "were you, did you games?".

electronic music peaked in the 90s and went downhill thereafter
actual progress in music is being done by hip-hop and r&b artists

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WejD5fPTBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSNbbuq8AmY&t=1503s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvUguTZCA6g&list=PL4LCKZ1T6P3fAZVPw4wpL4grOywLjlPt_

/thread

>>74227324
all shit
electronic music is trash

>>74227337
great argument

>Groundbreaking electronic music

it isn't the late 90s anymore

>>74227321
>>74227386
>Only popular and dance oriented electronic music exists: The post

>>74227389
you cited two different posts

>>74227389
>strawman: the post
name 5 (five) groundbreaking electronic music releases from the 2010s

>>74227402
And both of those implied the same things.

>>74227202
This is true though. Modern day electronic music isn't limited to the restrictions of tape, so it can have even further control of the music.
>>74227231
It seems that you generally agree with me here. I find bringing up older peeps who definitely paved the way pointless when we are talking about contemporary music

>>74227406
then why did you imply it was a single post, it was clearly two?

its downright illogical.

>>74227405
His point is all the groundbreaking electronic music happened decades before with Stockhausen etc

Ben UFO doesn't deserve to be memed like this

>>74227423
Not necessarily, but it certainly didn't happen with top 40 oriented electronic music of the recent decades.

>>74227409
>Modern day electronic music isn't limited to the restrictions of tape, so it can have even further control of the music.
You're delusional because you think the basically infinite possibilities of current technology somehow turn Stockhausen's compositions less impressive. Musicians do have more control than ever; most musicians will never even dip their toes into something as complex as Kontakte.

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>>74227442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBS4Gi1y_nc

>>74227409
I'm >>74227231 and I haven't replied since, although I agree with this part:
>most musicians will never even dip their toes into something as complex as Kontakte.
And I'm sure you do too.

>>74227460
>>74227478
If you want music that strays in that direction you won't find it in the club or on Mall Grab, being reviewed by p4k or Fantano, its more glitch, onkyo, EAI and that direction but then that just gets called poseur and faux-experimental etc, etc

>>74227405
Any of Autechre's releases this decade bar Exai
Eccojams (inb4 people with no clue how to listen to music nor have a clue about sampling nor understand context think this is just DJ Screw rip off)
Jam City - Classical Curves
Cut Hands - Afro Noise I
Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma (inb4 ppl that never listened to Los Angeles or pre-Flying Lotus nu-jazz cite any of that stuff)
Mesh - Piteous Gate
The Knife - Shaking The Habitual
Either Jlin album
Machinedrum - Rooms
Any of the Bubblegum Bass/PC Music stuff

anti-rock threads always devolve to /mu/'s self-appointed electronic experts dissing the currently available essentials charts while posting the same dance music that most of the board's shut-in users clearly dislike. most of the electronic music listened to here is made my artists who clearly have influences outside of electronic music (see >>74227324 )

if you're trying to make a case for electronic music then focus on academic/classical stuff or IDM because, and i dont have anything against EDM, no one is impressed by your playlist and willingness to scour labels for flash in the pan singles

>>74227521
>that list
*breathes in*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

I think house/techno/breaks are far more interesting in pushing production and their music than hip hop atm (and certainly drab indie-rock) but its not even in the same league as proper experimental electronic music (and no, not fucking IDM shite which is the same thing with a few glitches and random bleeps)

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>>74227520
>but then that just gets called poseur and faux-experimental etc, etc
If you take Montie of all people seriously, then sure, everything he doesn't enjoy is a meme and faux-experimental. And here's an interesting admission of why he made that meme.

>>74227460
I never said they weren't impressive you fucking retard. Like, if you could read that very same post a bit more that you just replied to, it says that I find it pointless to talk about in a topic like this. I also never said it's not complex from a composition perspective either, but that isn't the point of this topic. If complexity is what you wanna talk about as an argument point, then Kontakte doesn't just make electronic music, but all music after it completely pointless as it's a goddamn 700 page long score.

>>74227580
I don't take Montie seriously but plenty do as so many buy into buzzwords sadly and any thread I've attempted to make about other electronic music always has ''poseur'' memes spammed or 404s without replies so whatever his intention originally, he dumbed down the board that little bit more.

>>74227523
Why does electronic have to be held to that standard while some garbage like Kanye gets held to a lower standard despite doing nothing new? What about Swans or Death Grips? Kendrick? Radiohead? All of these artists are praised for works here that were not innovative at all in their realm of music with ideas at least a decade old.

>>74227543
>getting so btfo that all there is, is a troll laugh
Rockists, everybody.

>>74227582
Don't backtrack, you clearly tried to downplay Stockhausen's achievements.

>uhh anyone could do that nowadays
Guess what? They don't.

At least own your shitposts, loser

>>74227521
>/mu/ listens to electronic music for the first time: the post

Stick to memerap.

>>74227616
there is no quality control in hip hop, at all, its literally EDM with rapping over the top but don't call it shit, dats racist

if at least they still used turntablism you could use Cage - Imaginary Landscapes 1 and other early turntable music to argue with

>>74227616
>All of these artists are praised for works here
By undiscerning plebs.

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>>74227632
>posts a list full of literal memes and p4k electronica
>"btfo"

>>74227582
>>74227634
I'm >>74227478. Why are you two still and even arguing when you're pretty much in agreement with one another?

i love it when RA plebs and p4k plebs argue
so cute

>>74227647
>>74227663
>still just buzzwords rather than real criticism

rockist electronic music >>>> /bleep/shit

get in here

>>74227763

>>74227695
t. Out of touch grandpa who can't appreciate various forms of music outside the one he was spoonfed as a baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhHkUg-QCwk

the drum programming in this song is more complex than anything cuckhausen ever composed
prove me wrong

>>74227790
>Only popular and dance oriented genres of electronic music matter
Not even him by the way.

>>74227802
>700 pages long score
>as complex as drum programming for a 3 minute song
https://www.scribd.com/document/179616745/Stockhaousen-Kontakte-Sheet-Music-pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontakte
http://stockhausenspace.blogspot.rs/2015/11/kontakte-planning-design.html

>>74227790
>spoonfed electronic music as a baby
nigga what

>>74226881
there are so many fucking awful albums on this list lmao
the first two lines are good
after that it's just mainstream electronic music

The only people who are impressed by electronic music have no idea how music is made.

>>74227802

nigger I could open up fl studio and recreate the drum programming in a couple of hours

>>74227900
Exactly.

>>74227910
music isn't about being impressive. typical anti-electronic mindset

>>74227943
Blame OP for saying ''>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week''

>>74227814
Never said that nor implied that. I hope you're not that anon because I hope he's smart enough to realize that I was saying they are both good with neither inherently better than the other.
>>74227862
He was spoonfed shit as a baby, and that eventually made him have shitty opinions as a grown up.

>>74227841
Not that anon, but it is definitely in a way much more complex than what's happening in Kontakte due to straight up bit by bit change whereas Stockhausen had to rely on the tape to really do it. If Stockhausen took a jazz drummer's parts and tried making drum parts like Flim, it would be just as much work as any individual three minutes of Kontakte because it would require an insane amount of tape splicing and a spatial diagram for where all the instrumentalists are, too.

>>74227910
unironically this.

>>74228113
>Not that anon, but it is definitely in a way much more complex than what's happening in Kontakte due to straight up bit by bit change whereas Stockhausen had to rely on the tape to really do it
I can't even believe what I'm reading. Let's settle this, what was Stockhausen's intent and what is the intent of "IDM producers"? And honestly, what choice did he have in the early 60's? DAWs in a click of a button? And back to the question of intent, why did he still decide to do it and go throught with it?

>>74228158
>>74227910
inorite, fuck yeah geetahs \m/ \m/

>>74228012
I'm usually mr. centrist too but I really do stand by what I said and frankly considering how often /bleep/ers shit-talk "rockist" electronic music (I was using the term somewhat facetiously) I think someone airing that opinion is a little overdue if anything

itt: pards can't explain why they keep listening to shitty ass indie rock and hip hop

yawn

>>74226630

this is cool as shit

I tried to get into the electronic scene in my town, which is one of the most thriving electronic scenes in the world right now.

After a few months of checking out local spots and getting into the local circles it became very apparent that electronic music isn't really a hobby for people who enjoy listening to innovative and technically impressive audio, it's more of a backdrop for other social activities like doing drugs and fashion. The people who heavily invest into their local scenes don't really care about music, they just blindly follow whatever the generally accepted authority on what's good is (RA, Fact, Mixmag, Thump, etc) and learn what the artists are but don't really understand why they like it or even why it's good. None of that really matters, as long as you can keep up with whatever the person above you told you is currently the thing to listen to you'll fit into the scene. The music itself doesn't matter, it's just the backdrop to the social hierarchy that they're all desperately trying to identify with, and as long as you're fucked up on drugs and booze it doesn't really matter. That's why most electronic music sounds boring and uninspired and is only a slight variation from what another "groundbreaking" artist is doing, because they genuinely can't tell the difference.

>>74228434
>"local scenes"
found the problem

>>74225512
i thought pard just meant american

>>74225478
Couldn't give a shit about being ground breaking desu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDylsg3sDI

>>74227521
pc music is not groundbreaking cmon

>>74228434
if you want a good "local" scene then you'd wanna live in london, bristol or birmingham etc.
Not much banging about in Slough ya kno

>>74228567
I do. Even if I didn't, that's a stupid excuse. I have no interest in club culture electronic music anymore. It's no different from investing your time in social media or politics.

>>74228620
If you don't care for the "scene" then you don't. It's not that deep really. I somewhat agree with it being a backdrop for drugs and fashion, but if that's not your bag than that's cool. Raves are and always have been a place for people to meet up and get spangled and have a dance, same shit as Woodstock just filled with "peace, pot, microdot" hippies. You're not gonna be meeting up at a cafe to be discussing the new Special Request EP are you?

If you want to get in with the people who have a genuine passion for creating then you get in with the producers and the guys running the events.

>>74228751
Wait, theres a new Special Request EP?

>>74228783
yeah man, this one would go off inna da dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpXaoTplqaE

This thread is basically some guy baiting people continuously great entertainment anon.

>>74227523

so by being influenced by genres that is not defined as electronic you cannot yourself be an electronic musician!? idonotcompute

>>74228815
He's also released a load of old shit on his soundcloud.
https://soundcloud.com/paulwoolford/special-request-peak
https://soundcloud.com/paulwoolford/the-head-of-goliath-meditate-mix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmuN_cUe2D0

>>74227580
He was making a good point though

Most experts assume that perception estimates true properties of an objective world. They justify this assumption with an argument from evolution: Natural selection rewards true perceptions. I propose instead that if true perceptions crop up, then natural selection mows them down; natural selection fosters perceptions that act as simplified user interfaces, expediting adaptive behavior while shrouding the causal and structural complexity of the objective world. In support of this proposal, I discussed mimicry and mating errors in nature, and presented simulations of an evolutionary game.

Old habits die hard. I suspect that few experts will be persuaded by these arguments to adopt the interface theory of perception. Most will still harbor the long-standing conviction that, although we see reality through small portals, nevertheless what we see is, in general, veridical. To such experts I offer one final claim, and one final challenge. I claim that natural selection drives true perception to swift extinction: Nowhere in evolution, even among the most complex of organisms, will you find that natural selection drives truth to fixation, i.e., so that the predicates of perception (e.g., space, time, shape and color) approximate the predicates of the objective world (whatever they might be). Natural selection rewards fecundity, not factuality, so it shapes interfaces, not telescopes on truth.
The challenge is clear: Provide a compelling counterexample to this claim.

>>74230025
Maybe for some but not everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iROfS7ix0c
what a track lads

>>74225478
excatly this. I becoming dead just from listen to this fucking old records with all these static
bah

pic unrelated right?

>ground breaking electronic music comes out every week
autechte doesn't come out every week, silly anon.

>>74230076
Hacks