>Without Lou Reed, we wouldn't have punk rock. We wouldn't

Kinda but its oversimplification of alot

No, because it's without John Cale that we wouldn't have that, not Lou Reed.

>>74128687
And not a single fuck is given.

At least no good music is lost.

>>74128718
lol. your right. Chief Keef and Fetty Wap is where at. Fuck white men!

>>74128687
The Velvet Underground being influential on punk is a meme. They were influential on post-punk maybe but not actual punk.

>>74128734
>memerap is the only alternate to pop/rock
jfc this board

Without Heroin, they wouldn't have been inspired to make the music they did. Opiates are the real hero.

>>74128759
But school told me drugs are bad and are detrimental to your body.

>>74128734
>implying rock and hip hop are the only two types of music
your /mu/ is showing

>>74128687
Yes, but only if you replace "Lou Reed" with "The Stooges"

>punk
Nah, The Stooges are responsible for this one.
>post-punk
For sure, depends on the band though. So probably most post-punk.
>alt/indie
Definitely, this is where TVU's influence mainly happened.
>noise rock
Maybe? Like yeah, there's Sister Ray and eventually MMM, but Keiji Haino is the first full on noise rock artist, he did it before MMM, and he never once cited TVU as his inspiration. But I think most western acts were influenced by MMM.
>shoegaze
It has its basis in the kind of proto-dream pop of The Beach Boys and Phil Spector.

>>74128687
Replace Lou with John Cale. Without Cale all of TVU&N would have been a bunch of poppy shit

>>74128830
>MMM
?

>>74128687
Without Heroin, Lou Reed would have just been talentless and not a talentless hack.

>>74128888
You need both to make it work. Cale's solo music is poppy also.

>>74128708
>>74128826
>>74128888
Cale produced The Stooges debut too

>>74128969
metal machine music

>>74129007
He also produced The Modern Lovers' debut. Oh, and made Paris 1919.

>>74129016
Oh. Ok. Thanks.

>>74129007
>>74129039
And Patti Smith's Horses

>>74129007
>The Stooges debut
Am I the only one who likes it more than Fun House and Raw Power? I love all of them but now that I think about it the production really makes the debut stand out.

>>74129068
97 Raw Power > debut > the rest

>>74129068
Nah. I'm with you.

>>74129068
>Am I the only one

no you fucking faggot

Lou did literally nothing of note, it's all John Cale (and Nico for avant-garde folk music)
Besides, all those genres would have formed anyway eventually, with or without TVU

>>74128708
This is true. The Velvet Underground would have been much folkier if John Cale wasn't pushing Lou in a more avant-garde direction

This is just some rockist idol worship built on the severely old-fashioned Great Man theory. Singling out one person as the origin of a slew of styles and movements is reductive to the point of absurdity. Reed was important, but only a part of a much larger cultural shift that was happening regardless.

>1967: music started

>>74129124
>Lou did literally nothing of note,

I don't know if I call writing the songs "literally nothing of note". Without Lou it would have just been a drone band without any songs and no one would listen to it. They both contributed equally, it's a band not a solo project.

>>74128687
On the other side are the repellent groans of male confessions: the dissolute effrontery, the throbbing addiction of Waiting For My Man, the first "Reedian" street poem, the supersonic boogie that for the first time experiments with the technique of pure percussion by all the instruments; the sadomasochist incubus in the Oriental gardens of Venus In Furs, one of the masterpieces of rock music, a lascivious madrigal that swings frightfully between life and death, the epic fatalism of Bob Dylan married to the moral decadence of film noir, both liberating cry and brutal physical abuse, a dark fresco of tormented libido sung by Reed in a desperate tone, accompanied by Cale's stiff viola longing to imitate the sound of bagpipes, set to the rhythm of Buddhist tom-toms in religious procession; the demonic chaos of Black Angel' s Death Song, an heretical litany declaimed by Reed in the style of the beatniks.