I'm glad this band made this album cover because otherwise

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>>74104981

>>74105040
Trump murders civilians all across the world and then he murders the civilians of his own country by denying them healthcare. and a bonus, he is also going to kill people after his own death because of the consequences of pollution and global warming

I would argue calling his government a "Death Machine" is very adequate.

>>74105056
>and then he murders the civilians of his own country by denying them healthcare. and a bonus, he is also going to kill people after his own death because of the consequences of pollution and global warming

Well, Americans are not even people, so those doesn't even count.

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>>74104935
What's the best Hopsin album?

if you say Raw you're pleb-tier

>>74105056
Okay, how is Trump killing millions of people worldwide? Also, how is killing millions more with not rafitifying a healthcare bill which is essentially a shitter version of Obamacare? And global warming? Do you know the west especially America has the most strenuous regulations when it comes to the environment? If you going to criticize him, try not to use talking points fed to you by the MSM.

>>74105145
I did not say he is killing MILLIONS, but he is certainly killing thousands in the form of drone strikes and careless bombings in civilian areas in 7 different nations.

>how is killing millions more with not rafitifying a healthcare bill which is essentially a shitter version of Obamacare
It's going to kill tends of thousands every year, not millions, because less people will have access to healthcare.

>Do you know the west especially America has the most strenuous regulations when it comes to the environment?
That is just not true. europe has strong regulations to protect the environment, but the regulations in america are incredibly lackluster. you are the one who is brainwashed by right wing media if you think america is leading in the way in environmental protection regulations

>>74105337
*tens of thousands

> tfw have this and shit with swastikas in my music collection

sure feels good being able to overlook whatever silly political statement musicians with no knowledge in politics whatsoever are trying to make

>>74105372
There is nothing silly about the political statement this album cover presents.

The only criticism i have is that they are not nuanced when they say they are against capitalism. they are probably in favor of capitalism but against the current form of purist capitalism that takes place in America

reminder that crazyaga is a literal jew who literally and unironically lives in the apartheid state known as israel

>>74105402
I'm against the israeli government, i even voted against the current government.

Don't blame me for their actions just because of my geographical location.

And btw im an atheist, not jewish

>>74105337
>drone strikes and careless bombings in civilian areas in 7 different nations.
just like obama desu

Reminder that liberals who are against Trump yet followed Obama like the second coming of Christ aren't really anti-capitalist.

>>74105422
Yes, but Trump dramatically expanded it.

>>74105431
Communism is a failed ideology anon. you should support Social Democracy, which is proven to work in many countries all around the world

>>74105413
your very existence on palestinian land is oppressive and you have to leave. your tax money pays for the slaughter of palestinian children

>>74105389
that might be, i just don't care what musicians have to say about politics. i'm not denying that it can't carry a powerful, meaningful political message though. i just listen to so many different artist with vastly different opinions. if started to actually care or stop listening to certain acts because they are commie nuts or ultra tight wing psychos i'd miss out on a lot of interesting music.

plus i'm just so fucking tired of hearing about muh trump and muh capitalism from trust-fund white kids with 800$ smartphones. he's shit but obama was utter shit as well. suck it up pussies, give it a fucking rest.

>>74104935
Fuck Drumpf and fuck white people

>>74105461
Social democracy keeps masses at rest while capitalist expansion destroys livelihoods overseas. Plus, a wage is still slavery, no matter how nice its made to look.

Bernie Sanders is a supporter of Israel by the way.

>>74105493
Go back to /pol/

>>74105463
>Hurr durr you live in israel so you must be at fault for anything the israeli government does, even if you voted against them XD

>>74105502
Bernie Sanders supports the existence of israel, but he is against what israel is currently doing

Aniway, communism was proven to not work. it fails every time people try it. in contrast, social democracy is proven to work in many countries all around the world

Also social democracy does not destroy livelihoods overseas

>>74105516
doesn't matter who you voted for, you're still complacent in the crimes of your apartheid state and perpetuate its brutality by living there and paying taxes. it makes you look ridiculous to criticize other countries when there's blood on your hands

>>74105556
The brutality of the united states is objectively worse than anything israel has done.

We never dropped two nukes on densely populated Japanese cities that were not even military targets

Now plz

>>74105464
>>plus i'm just so fucking tired of hearing about muh trump and muh capitalism from trust-fund white kids with 800$ smartphones.
NO

ETHICAL

CONSUMPTION

UNDER

CAPITALISM

>>74105571
>whataboutism

this is what you're reduced to?

>>74105616
My point was that it's hypocritical to blame me for what israel is doing, but not blaming americans for what their own government is doing which is much worse

>>74105461
>>74105542
>LE SOCIAL DEMOCRACY :DDD

Fuck that shit, Odalism is the only way

>>74105627
The nordic nations have a system of social democracy and it's proven to work great

>>74105623
so it makes it ok for israel to kill innocent palestinians because america also does bad things?

>>74105632
They are capitalist countries

>>74105542
As much as you paint it, social democracies are still capitalist.

Communism has failed in its 20th century experiments for various reasons. The theoretical frame work of Stalinism is bullshit for one, everything it touches fails. Ventures in socialism that are based in nationalism are bound to fail in disaster. Mainly because it means isolation from the global capitalism and yet simultaneously needing to compete with these nations anyway. Also, in the time period that nations such as Russia and China came about, were unstable periods following massive world/civil war that completely wrecked the infrastructure of all societal functions in these nations.

>>74105556
Eh, you're kinda right in the case of Israel, but its a falsehood to assume complete nations are homogeneous entities that act with singular intent with complete approval from their population. It would be more appropriate to analyze intentions and actions of nations under what would be in the best interest for economic expansion and the wealthy elite.

>>74105632
Sure it has, btw, do you know how much shit costs in Norway nowadays?

>>74105639
Nope. my point was that i'm not to blame for their actions, especially considering i voted against them in the elections

>>74105632
The well-being of Nordic nations comes from the suffering of others. The Nordic nations are far from self-sustainable, they are just wealthy.

Social democracy is only a good short term solution for rich capitalistic countries.

Communism pushes to be self-sustainable hence why it's a better and honestly, a more realistic solution

>>74105664
>I voted against them in the elections

...so you did nothing?

>>74105658
>As much as you paint it, social democracies are still capitalist.

Correct, but it's an healthy form of capitalism that aims to fix the dangerous flaws of more purist forms of capitalism

>>74105672
Name a communist country that worked. the truth is that when you give the government a complete control over the economy, its going to get abused. its not very different from how corporations abuse their own grip of the economy.

The beauty of social democracy is that it balances the power of the government and the corporations, which makes it a very sustainable system

>>74105664
good job, you did a lot. keep paying for the murder of innocents you hook nosed demon

>>74105697
>when you give the government a complete control over the economy
this is not communism

>>74105703
You are a dumb person. are you a murderous villain too because your own government murdered civilians? of course not. it doesn't work like that

>>74105705
No, it's a part of what communism is.

>>74105703
this

>>74105725
I'm an atheist, but even if i was jewish that wouldn't make me a murderous villain

What kind of dumb argument is this?????

>>74105716
>criticizes america for murdering civilians
>lives in fucking israel
>justifies this by deflection

this jewish doublethink is amazing. hope your country sits at the bottom of the mediterranean one day

>>74104935
What's with all the:
>don't be /pol/
bullshit everywhere lately?

>>74105739
You're a jew by matriarchal lineage, doesn't matter if you're an athiest or not you're still a jew.

Also you feed the jew machine by living in Israel and buying in to Israeli things

>>74105747
Show me where i justified the actions of the israeli government.

I just said i'm not at fault for what they are doing, i'm not them.

Your argument is nothing but a huge strawman

>>74105632
You have to be a troll.

>>74104981
>Racism IS a real issue
>real issue
It's not real, it's a meme.

>>74105752
>Guilt by geographical location
fuck off honestly.

>>74105758
You support the Israeli government with your taxes, those taxes go towards their actions

>>74105770
No you, jew

>>74105056
This is why I hate Tripfags.

Attention whoring, virtue signaling tripfags.

>>74104935
I used to like Gnod. Seen em live a couple of times.
But now I'm not so sure anymore. Unless they're being ironic with that cover, which I doubt.

>>74105697
No form of capitalism is inherently for the better of the people en masse. Complete laissez-faire systems are exploitative in full apparent form, while welfare states perpetuate exploitation (and arguably do so more effectively under this guise) by placating the working masses with the bare minimum. Beginning with the implementation of Keynesian economics after the Great Depression, what was done was basically save capitalism for future advancement of exploitative structures.

Communism is also not "giving gov complete control over the economy"

What you're referring to are Stalinist nations acting under the guise of communism that are actually state capitalist in nature. Government control over private enterprise and trade. Russia, China, Cuba, are all (or were during their "communist" phase in the case for Russia) state capitalist nations.

Ultimately, Marx argued that state is an unnecessary element of society once the capitalism mode of production advances to communism, eventually withering away in redundancy. Or if you follow a more anarchist tradition, you abolish that shit with capitalism from the start. All depends on your perspective of leftism and capitalism.

>>74105763
Go look at /pol/. racism is a very real issue.
Actually you don't have to go to /pol/, just look at comments like this >>74105725 and this >>74105752 and this >>74105774


>>74105774
If everyone who were against the israeli government left the country, what would happen? things would get even worse. am i not right?

>>74105783
Sure is summer in here.

>>74105785
>its racist to call out jews for fucking over palestine
you jews are really something lmao.

>>74105775
If you think people care about deaths of civilians only out of "virtue signaling", you are really dumb

>>74105794
lmao nigga shut the fuck up

>>74105785
No, things would be better cause you're only left with a bunch of spastic fundie jews who will refuse to fight or do anything for their country beyond paying taxes

>>74105762
He certainly is foreign.

>>74105796
It's racist to claim a person is bad just because he is jewish, which is exactly what this anon did.

I'm against what the israeli government is doing here, but blaming all jews for this is dumb and retarded

>>74105805
>The people who are willing to fight for the israeli government are the ones who disagree the most with the israeli government XD

Makes no fucking sense

>>74105799
>Communist
>tripfag
>talks about things unrelated to /mu/
>has enough ego to jam shit down others throats

Summer.

>>74105814
its not racist to call out privileged individuals like jews are.
what have you done to fight against you israel government besides whine on 4chan
oh right nothing.

>>74105831
I voted against them.

And btw, the current government is not even the worst case scenerio. the other rights wing parties are even worse than Netanyahu

>>74105814
You have conscription do you not?

Also jews like the haredi's and some others are legally exempt from conscription

>>74105798
Wrong:
If you trust any government you are dumb.
If you trust any doctrine you are dumb.

And you sound like politically correct drongo that honestly believes there is good in the world.
There isn't.

>>74105845
I managed to get an exempt because i had a severe clinical depression at the time

>>74105835
saying you voted against them doesn't automatically absolve you of all blame you dumb oven dodger

>>74105848
There is definitely alot of good in the world. you sound like a delusional idiot who thinks all human beings are inherently malevolent.

The truth is that there is plenty of good in the world, and plenty of bad things in the world. quit thinking in a dumb absolute way.

>>74105826

Ey, they brought it up, if you want to shit on someone for posting unrelated noise, shit on crazyjew and all them other niggas too. I also like being the opposite perspective on things like this, and on 4chan, it just so happens that my "opposite perspective" and the pov of most posters here are directly contrary to each other. Works for me.

>>74105855
Lemme guess, you lost a shekel and was feeling a bit down cause of it

>>74105861
Why are you pinpointing your complaints against israel and not complaining about the US which is a much greater evil?

could it be because you are American and you don't see the obvious hypocrisy of your arguments

>>74105878
Israel, US, etc, all them dudes bombing the shit out of other brown dudes for expansion and investment of capital. Nationalism is a disease bruh.

>>74105878
>and not complaining about the US which is a much greater evil?
i don't live in the US
try again

>>74105876
No.

I fell in love with a straight guy who was my best friend while denying my own gayness. we ha a fight which was mostly my fault and it ended up in him really hating me, and later that year he left the country with his family and i never saw him again

>>74105751
/pol/ is on an offensive trying to spread their cancer to the rest of the website lately, this is just the counter offensive.
Have you not noticed the "white power music" and RAC threads nazis have been creating here lately?

>>74105894
no. i don't have autism like you

>>74105889
okay where do you live?

>>74105894
I should try making leftist music threads again. Fun times.

>>74105893
Jesus dude, how the fuck did you not know that you shouldn't tell friends you love them let alone best friends

>>74105900
wow that was uncalled for
I'm shaking
>>74105911
go for it, I'd contribute

>>74105901
brasil

>>74105919
I did not tell him
But i think he guessed it

>>74105924
I'm sure the Brazilian government is doing some bad things too, no government is perfect. are you at fault for what your government is doing?

>>74105929
Ahahaha holy shit man, how the fuck would they even have figured that shit out unless you were telling others or actively giving off signals

>>74105939
>I'm sure the Brazilian government is doing some bad things too, no government is perfect.
prove it.

>>74105942
The story is a bit more complicated than what i described there. but honestly i think the summary i shared here is enough

>>74105939
what're your politics crazyaga?

>>74105921
/pol/ only exists if you keep looking for them.
you have paranoia

>>74105954
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2011/country-chapters/brazil

"Most of Brazil's metropolitan areas are plagued by widespread violence perpetrated by criminal gangs and abusive police. Violence especially impacts low-income communities. There are more than 40,000 intentional homicides in Brazil every year. In Rio de Janeiro hundreds of low-income communities are occupied and controlled by drug gangs, who routinely engage in violent crime and extortion.

Police abuse, including extrajudicial execution, is a chronic problem. According to official data, police were responsible for 505 killings in the state of Rio de Janeiro alone in the first six months of 2010. This amounts to roughly three police killings per day, or at least one police killing for every six "regular" intentional homicides. The number of killings by police in Sao Paulo, while less than in Rio de Janeiro, is also comparatively high. A 2009 Human Rights Watch report found that police in Sao Paulo state had killed more people over the prior five years than had police in all of South Africa, a country with a higher homicide rate than Sao Paulo."

>>74105956
How the fuck would they have figured it out, were you grinding on them or giving them the bedroom eyes or some shit

>>74105962
nah I just check the catalogue frequently

>>74105968
how is that bad again?
getting rid of thugs. least were not keeping ppl from their land like you are.

>>74105958
Secular humanist in favor of social democracy as an economic model

>>74105974
I became really obsessed about him when he told me he is going to leave the country. it really messed me up mentally and i did not deal with it very well. my obvious obsession is what gave it away

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>>74105977
wheres the /pol/ thread again buddy?

>>74105968
police =\= government

Wow really thoughful music discussion /mu/ i really love it. Just sage this shit thread already nothing good can come of it

>>74105985
>hurr durr police brutality is completely okay XD there is no need for a trial or anything like that :3

>>74105999
The government funds the police

>>74105993
>Secular humanist in favor of social democracy as an economic model
cool
I'm a reformist scum
>>74105998
it was here >>74104071 a moment ago but got deleted in the past few minutes

>>74105993
holy shit dude, how did you not learn to hide obsessions, I'm a complete fuckwit myself and I learned that when I was like 8

>>74106008
the police are killing criminals and drug dealers.
whats the issue?

>>74106014
so exactly like i said. no /pol/ threads exists unless u go looking for them the autist you are.
both you and /pol/ need to leave

>>74106018
Killing civilians with no trial is always an issue.

(and btw, im against execution even there was a trial)

>>74106014
gah, meant to write
*I'm a socialist with lib soc / anarcho syndicalist leanings but I'm reformist scum
>>74106024
wow mean

>>74105870
>you sound like a delusional idiot who thinks all human beings are inherently malevolent
as above,
same below.

>>74104935
This album has such a memecover that is purely for bait.

>>74106029
>Killing civilians with no trial is always an issue.
if you catch somebody dealing drugs and raping kids. no trial is needed

>>74105894
>/pol/ is on an offensive trying to spread their cancer to the rest of the website lately
You mean... use /mu/ for it's intended purpose?
Why would they shill boards they like to browse?

Who are they shilling against?

>>74106033
>*I'm a socialist with lib soc / anarcho syndicalist leanings but I'm reformist scum
no you are a meme. contributing nothing to society

>>74106038
But the thing is that it's actually a damn good album.

It's probably a strong 8/10

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>>74105894
>implying that isn't a false flag
How new are you?

>>74106044
A trial is needed because otherwise the police officer could just kill innocent people and claim he saw them dealing drugs or raping children

>>74106053
global rule 3 dude, racism and trolling is against the rules here, also keep /pol/ in /pol/. Racist music needs to stay in /pol/.

>>74104935
>noise rock album
>post punk
what did u mean by this

>>74106071
So how does this affect music?

>>74106085
It doesn't, we kinda went off topic

>>74106071
>A trial is needed because otherwise the police officer could just kill innocent people and claim he saw them dealing drugs or raping children
oh yeah so their big shot lawyers can get them off and nothing happens.
trials are useless when it comes to these things. all u scums need to be killed off

>>74106082
So black music talking shit about white people is ok?
But the opposite isn't?

That's boring.

>>74106084
It sounds like post-punk to me.

Like, it could have came out in the early 80's and be considered a cult classic

>>74106105
Their lawyers won't get them off if you can prove they are guilty. if you can't prove they are guilty, there is a very good chance they are legitimately not guilty, genius

>>74106095
What's the sound like?

>>74106115
have a listen yourself.

Track 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZuItKTtfI

Track 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUcfKO3aEt0

Track 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxNxYn1XB5k

Track 4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rse7rjCmJLo

Track 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTGdXLx7Ht0

>>74106107
I didn't specify a particular type of racism, all racism is against the rules here.

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>>74106082
so miles davis saying this is okay and not racist?
hypocrite much?

>>74106113
>Their lawyers won't get them off if you can prove they are guilty. if you can't prove they are guilty, there is a very good chance they are legitimately not guilty, genius
OJ simpson literally murdered his wife and got off

trials are nothing but how much money u have to bribe your way off.
kill them and move on.

>>74106137
here's another totally real and not at all made up quote
"I think Hitler was a totally great guy" - You

>the absolute state of this board
the tripfag jew sounds remarkably butthurt

>>74106149
>Some people get off, so you should murder civilians just in case they are guilty

You are a dumb person

>>74106156
In a recent USA Today article, reporter Miles White quotes Davis as saying: "If somebody told me I only had one hour to live, I'd spend it choking a White man. I'd do it nice and slow." But the veteran musician added,
https://books.google.com/books?id=FbEDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA1&pg=PA61&hl=en#v=onepage&q=nice%20and%20slow&f=false

>>74105056
I see you're not content to simply shitpost in /gg/.

>>74106164
>gay guy who harassed his friend to fuck him calling somebody dumb
thats rich psycho

Btw, "Bodies For Money" sounds like a name of a Swans song

>>74106181
I did not mean to harass him. and it was never about sex.

>>74106167
I've been trying to find the source of this quote in USA unsuccessfully, however I have found Miles White was actually a writer for USA Today which lends this credibility.
Regardless, for the sake of argument let's assume that Miles Davis was a complete racist (which I don't think he actually was), then it would still be okay to post his music because his music isn't directly racist. I wouldn't take issue with someone posting Wagner again because his music isn't racist even if he was. I would however take issue with someone posting skrewdriver because their music is directly racist and promotes genocide and nazism. This is clear from their lyrics and the nazi and white supremacist imagery on their albums.
It's also worth noting that while I oppose racism in all forms, racism which is directed at marginalized and disempowered groups is inherently more dangerous than that directed at powerful groups because the former has less ability to fight back.
So do you still think that is a hypocritical position to take?

>>74106167
You gave only a part of the quote. he later says he only doesn't like prejudiced white people.

I still think it's a bad quote if he actually said this

>>74106057
>But the thing is that it's actually a damn good album.
It may be, but I wish they didn't use such a memecover purely for grabbing attention.

It's not even about whether or not I agree or disagree with what the album cover says, it's that their clear intent on a cover like that is to shamelessly bait music journalists into listening to it and giving it a good review based on the cover alone.

>>74106177
Please take him back to your thread guys, i'm sick of seeing him posting shit everyday here.

>>74106128
Shitty nu-indie

>>74106460
This sounds NOTHING like indie, wtf?

It's could have easily been a 70's - 80's post punk album

>>74106128
Track 2's ok.

>>74104935
You're the worst tripfag
>>74105096
JOKING THERE IS NO GOOD HOPSIN ALBUM

>>74104935
>It's a "capitalism is bad" lefty meme
lmao. never fails to amaze me.

>>74106516
The 5th track is probably my favorite track. it's so fucking good.

It really does sound like i'm listening to a psycho fascist death machine in action

>>74106505
It's too "clean cut"

Needs to get nasty and on fire.

>>74106527
The current implementation of capitalism is bad. capitalism should be implemented in the form of social democracy to make sure people who "lose the competition" don't just end up dying in the streets and have their children starving

>>74106548
More "Melvins".

Add sex.
etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6ewxDPMZA

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>>74106128
>Track 5
>Cover

My sides 3 of them look just like fucking terrorists.

this >>74106460
also the songs names and pretentiousness in this revolushitnary thing gave me cancer

>>74106548
Well i mean that's your opinion.
It's definitely nasty enough for me

>>74106568
It's probably better than the Melvins

>>74106560
>he thinks MORE government intervention will help
LMAO.

>>74106591
You vote for your government BECAUSE you want the government to intervene. it just needs to be done in the right way - we need good interventions.

Without government intervention you wouldn't even have clean drinking water

>>74106582
>It's probably better than the Melvins

take that back

>>74106607
>Without government intervention you wouldn't even have clean drinking water
I'd buy water from clean sources and people selling shit water would go out of business for selling a poor product, you imbecile.

t. Flint, Michigan

>>74106568
>also the songs names and pretentiousness in this revolushitnary thing gave me cancer
SO much this.

>>74106608
I haven't listened to the melvins in a long time, but from what i remember, they weren't as good as this album.

They were still pretty good tho

>>74106615
You are really dumb because you know this is not how things work.

"A Reuters examination of lead testing results across the country found almost 3,000 areas with poisoning rates far higher than in the tainted Michigan city. Yet many of these lead hotspots are receiving little attention or funding."

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-lead-testing/

This is why you need government intervention, genius

>>74106632
And you just showed me explicit examples of the government failing to provide clean drinking and water and yet previously said without government I wouldn't have clean drinking water.
So which is it? lmao. More government failures? Vote for more government power for bigger government failures?
Hahah wow holy shit youre retarded, straight out of an occupy protest.

>>74106644
I just showed you a case where MORE government intervention is needed in order to fix this issue.

Without government intervention, the water are going to keep getting worse.

And btw its not just your water, its also your air.

>>74106651
>hahaha, he thinks giving the government more money will eventually fix the problem
>an institution we can't even bring to justice, only give taxes
But a private supplier would be subject to prosecution, but here we are!

>>74106303
>So do you still think that is a hypocritical position to take?
yes

>tfw enlightened socialist

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>>74106664
It's not about giving the government more money, it's about electing a government that will do the right thing and fix this issue.

If you want to see what happens when the government doesn't enforce environmental regulations, look what happened in china. children are literally dying from lung cancer because of corporate air pollution.

Without government regulations your country will become an industrial dystopia

>>74106560
government intervention won't help anything. people and society has the power to help the people to recompose, in small comunnities this works cause people know each other and care.

The problem comes to cities and giant populated shitholes, where people behaviour is just autistic sometimes.

a little advice: it always gonna be people who end up dying and starving, but where is people you know for a long time and who also care about you, they won't die, they'll don't die cause you'll be there and they'll be there again for when you'll need it.

Kill all people.

>>74106710
The role of the government in society is to protect the population who are electing the said government.

The government is the ONLY way poor people can defend themselves from being abused by rich corporations who only enrich themselves further and further while destroying lives of other people.

The fact there are bad governments doesn't mean the concept of government is bad. having a government is still essential for a functioning society. and the government should fulfill it's role and put worker protection regulations, environmental protection regulations, food safety regulations, etc.

Because yes, without government, even the food you are eating is not safe, because there wouldn't be any food safety regulations

>>74106682
>It's not about giving the government more money, it's about electing a government that will do the right thing and fix this issue.
no such government exists. fuck them all

>>74106743
No government is perfect, but you can always get a better government by actually electing better people

>>74105056
I'm pretty sure Obama did quite as much, considering he was supposed to end the war, but somehow didn't and yet no one talks about it.

>>74106752
Shit, you're hopeless.

>>74106759
He's a lefty, all lefties are protected from criticism.
Even though Obama dropped 100,000 bombs on those same 7 countries on the ''muslim ban list''.
Even though we destabilized Libya.
Even though we drone striked civilians daily.
And then he passes the failure that is Obama care that simply forces you to buy healthcare but does nothing on the government mandated monopoly that the AMA allows on medical school openings and acceptance (DUDE, GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION LMAO).

>>74106759
Obama was a centrist, and he was pretty bad too, yes.

He wasn't as bad as Trump, but really Trump is so evil and retarded that being better than Trump is something almost anyone can be.

>>74106775
Thanks for not addressing my arguments.

I agree with you on the first 3 bad things you claimed obama did. those are true

But Obamacare was objectively better than nothing. it literally saved life of people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grx9vCgErlU

>>74106775
>He's a lefty, all lefties are protected from criticism.
He's centre-right at best

Does, uh... anyone want to actually talk about the music on this album, or no? I liked it. Good incorporation of noise and maybe some post-rock influences. It reminded me of some songs by Bodychoke, but other than that, I don't know of any bands with a similar sound to this, so if anyone could recommend some, that'd be great.

>>74104935
>>>/pol/

>>74106846
>I don't know of any bands with a similar sound to this

Enjoy anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Dp9WNgX08

>>74106876
Yo, thanks man. I know Swans is a band I should have listened to already, since I see them posted on this board so often, but I haven't gotten around to it yet (I know, I'm a pleb). But this album already sounds pretty awesome.

>>74105447
because obama was a pussy and refused to lead. had we had solid leadership, we wouldn't have fucked with libya or syria

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>>74106908
COP is a great album but it's not even one of the best Swans albums to be honest

Listen to Children Of God afterwards

Download link for children of god:
https://mega.nz/#!gR8HESzT!I0y7zr0yaEe87QTCXets-C9pYfX52F8o5MkIS1OIXtw

>>74106728
>Because yes, without government, even the food you are eating is not safe, because there wouldn't be any food safety regulations
can't say anyhthing you are right

>The government is the ONLY way poor people can defend themselves from being abused by rich corporations who only enrich themselves further and further while destroying lives of other people.
yes but in the process it end up in an alliance with the richest and corporations resulting in a oligarchy (Trust me I'm from spain this country always had a pro-statism obsession)

>The fact there are bad governments doesn't mean the concept of government is bad. having a government is still essential for a functioning society. and the government should fulfill it's role and put worker protection regulations, environmental protection regulations, food safety regulations, etc.
part of what you say is right but if we aren't carefully it results in a totalitarism.

>>74106961
So we should fight against the oligarchy and make the government a government that represents the people again.

>>74106967
you can't fight it. you have to wait for the inevitable decay, after this the society will vote and a new cycle will begin.

>>74107001
You can definitely fight to reduce government corruption. you cannot solve it completely, but you can definitely improve it.

>>74106591
great meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NajQTN9qhXg

>>74104951
The second someone unironically uses the term "cultural marxism" it's safe to assume they have absolutely nothing of value to say.

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>>74106591
>deregulate, dismantle health and safety regulation and hand power to private corporations
>die in a fire when the private for-profit organization that manages the building you live in clad the building in cheap flammable cladding in order to make a greater profit margin

>>74107031
>I have nothing of value to say, so I'll project that by dismissing someone else based on one thing that they say and claim that because they said it they are in fact the ones that have nothing of value to say even though i am what I accused them of

>>74107070
Your entire argument was dumb though.
The album talks about the right-wing death machine, and your response was just "some people accuse of others of being racist when they aren't actually racist"

Literally irrelevant

>>74107175
Hiya tony.

>>74105337
that statistic is such horseshit. Obamacare is so dysfunctional that in a state like California, where they fully rolled it out, doctors refusing to treat Medicaid patients because they don't get compensated enough. People have go to Mexico to get treated. Here's the bottom line. Healthcare is a scarce resource. It needs to be distributed somehow. Maybe instead of forcing everyone to buy expensive health insurance, including people who don't need it, we should let people make their own choices? And maybe, instead of forcing insurance companies to cover everything under the sun for every plan they provide, we should let them market multiple plans for different kinds of people. And maybe, just maybe we should let insurance companies charge more for preexisting conditions and instead give those people a voucher to buy healthcare. Obamacare is a disaster.

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>189 Replies
>11 pictures
>35 iPhone Posters

>>74107259
>Obamacare is so dysfunctional that in a state like California, where they fully rolled it out, doctors refusing to treat Medicaid patients because they don't get compensated enough. People have go to Mexico to get treated. Here's the bottom line

Give me a source for this, or i'm going to count this as a lie.

Anon, most of the western world has universal healthcare, which covers even more people than obamacare. and they are doing fine

>>74107259

> Doctors rejecting patients over money
> Implying the problem isn't greedy ass doctors performing a function contrary to their sworn oath

Healthcare is a necessary public good that should be cheaply and/or freely available. You benefit more from a population of healthy people , who are capable of producing more due to the fact that they're not stressed and spiraling down.

>>74107351
People who lead moral lives don't usually need healthcare.

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>>74107370
???

>>74107385
The "healthcare" you're talking about is abortion and treatment for STDs and other bizzare behavior.

>>74107335
Here you go buddy
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/8517917/

>>74107415
Abortion is not funded by the government.

STDs make only a tiny portion of healthcare

>>74107460
Most health problems can still be avoided by following the 3 C's.

>>74107438
This is an anecdotal story of just one person.

When you look at Canada, a country that is right next to the US, much more people are getting health coverage there because they have universal healthcare. and that's not an anecdotal story, its a story of the entire country having a better healthcare system

>>74104935
>post-punk album
Its not post punk faggot it's noise rock

>>74107472
If you actually believe this you are dumb

>>74107489
Says the dummy who thinks planned parenthood only do 7% of abortions

>>74107335
Those countries choose to distribute healthcare by queuing, enjoy waiting half a year to get treated in Canada because of shitty socialized medicine. What web need to do is strip down the FDA and deregulate the health insurance industry, then create a program to help those with preexisting conditions pay for their insurance, which will obviously be expensive. Also, the subsidy for employer provided healthcare should be abolished. The everyone will be on the same market and he system will function.

>>74107477
Yeah like I said everyone covered and they have to wait ages for treatment, it's like a bread line except for health care

>>74107070
oh look, a retard

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>>74107031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm3euZS5nLo&index=5

>>74107527
And the faggot does it again lol

>>74107489
Holy fuck the retard yuou have to deal with in this thread. I'm glad there's at least someone with something between his ears. These are some fucking people...

>>74107621
the retards you have to deal with*

>>74107031
Butthurt lefty cuck spotted
I bet you watch hbomberguy

>>74107621
>>74107638
You probably voted for Burnie Sanders not knowing he wasn't even a canidate

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>>74105096
my dude hopsin is a lyricl genius

>>74107774
Why do black people gotta be the only ones that can't evolve

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>>74107715

>>74108020
Datza cewl imag

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Racism isn't something that can be erased. Whether benevolent or malevolent, we will always have in group bias and see other groups through a preconcieved lens.

Race is real and was created through tens of thousands of years of evolution. Equality is a myth. Modern liberalism worships a false god.

Everyone knew race was real until the 60's. Open your eyes, the world you see around you is the product of a failed experiment.

>>74107648
contrapoints is so much more interesting than hbomberguy desu

>>74104981
>"deadly aspects"

jesus christ shut the fuck up you twat.

>>74108061
Not true, our race is the human race, our nation is the world, our language is laughter, and out religion is love xD

>>74105337
Crazyaga if you're going to sit here and bitch about him "killing people" you need to first take into account Obama killed more civillians with drone strikes than Bush could have ever dreamed of.

Also, I love how people have this idea that Obamacare, once repealed, will be the death of the country. HOW DID WE EVER GET BY WITHOUT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE OH MY GOD PEOPLE WERE DYING BY THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!

Also, there are plenty of regulations and fines that are put in place by the EPA and OSHA alike to protect the envorinment and safety of employees. Regulations ARE pretty fucking heavy in the US and discourage many businesses from following their goals or even going behind the EPAs back to avoid massive amounts of spending.

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>>74105056
>unironic virtue terrorism
This kind of shit should be illegal.
I'm serious. You should be thrown into an internment camp.

>>74105447
Also, another thing, Obama also deported more illegal immigrants than any other president. Bill Clinton also deported illegals and wanted to get more control of the border. Does this make both of these men evil?

You sound like a brainwashed idiot Crazyaga. This is the same as when I was arguing with you in The Knife thread. I don't think you actually know what you're talking about.

>>74105056
you are 16, go away.

>>74105571
>refers to something that happened in 1945 in a discussion about current politics in 2017

Israel did however perform false flag operations that put innocent civilians lives in danger. Remember the movie theater bombings that were supposedly committed by "Egyptian" terrorists? All to perpetuate their wanted aggression and war with Egypt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

>>74105056
You are SUCH a brainwashed faggot. Kill yourself.

>>74107031
And this is the rhetoric and logic of a cultural marxist. "Your points are too ridiculous for me to even make an argument against so I'm just going to say you're being ridiculous and put my fingers in my ears."

>>74107504
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Yeah. It isn't where the bulk of their money comes from or anything! LOL.

>>74105056
What about the fact that Trump has deported so much MS13 back to El Salvador that El Salvador is freaking out about the influx of criminals coming back into their country?

>>74108170
>unironically using terms like cultural marxist

lel i bet you go to a state school

>>74108491
I bet you believe the world would be better unto an Anarcho-Communist state.

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>>74104935
>psycho right-wing capitalist fascist industrial death machine

what did you guys do to /mu/

>>74108524
I bet you don't believe the world would be better under Anarcho-Communism.

For fucks sake I just wanted to talk about music on this board.

>>74108684
Well that is called not being a retard who believes in a stupid unrealistic utopia

>>74108682
/pol/ happened

>>74108170
using the phrase "cultural marxist" is at least too ridiculous to debate. that's not a term that is used by people who study political science / sociology / anything relevant in academia, only by right-wingers on the internet

>>74105040
>not understanding what the term "liberal" means
>applying it to communists and anarchists, some of the strongest opponents of liberalism
>current_fucking_year.jpeg

>>74104951
Never understood this meme. How is this supposed to convince anyone that calling out genuine sexism racism etc is bad? Is it because the people in the group to the right are happy and together and the person to the left is alone and sad? Is that really the extent of the analysis?

>>74104935
neat album but I like this more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyD7Q8l8xPU

from track 5/6 especially

anyway thanks for the band OP

>>74109519
Because the left throws around those terms so much at things they don't apply to that they've lost all meaning

>>74109519
>genuine racism
lmao

>>74109438
check out Dan Carlin for educated use of the term cultural Marxist
hes not right wing

I really like this album and I'm as lefty as they come, but to see a zionist cunt supporting social democracy almost wants to make me become a /pol/lack.

TheCommunist you're okay though, I barely browse /mu/ anymore but I'm always willing to contribute to lefty music threads, been listening to these two records a lot lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ2DoOTYplA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFdxkb-MbJQ

>>74109565
is that why 4chan aggressively tries to turn everything into a meme and a platitude?

>>74109712
Pretty much

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>>74105893
Something similar happened to me. It really hurts.

I hope you feel better tripfriend.

>>74106084
There have been TONS of post punk bands that could also be considered noise rock.

>>74107175
>Cultural marxist is a meaningless term
>Right wing death machine isn't
lol k

>>74109438
Then refute him if his point is so obviously wrong.

Friendly reminder to any and all newfriends ITT that Crazyaga is literally a gay autist. Keep that in mind the next time you consider responding to one of his threads/posts.

>>74110538
Is he the tranny or is that some other fag?

>>74110564
He's not a tranny AFAIK.

>>74107774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujGWaiWkeg

@1:50 pretty much sums it up.
he's not that great of a lyricist honestly, he's not bad but i wouldn't call him great and his biggest selling point is that he's a straight edge rapper and is preachy enough about it to get attention for it.

>>74108684
You ask for anarchy you're going to get chaos. You're a fucking idiot if you think things would be better without a rigorous system of laws and policies to abide by. But yeah lets put every thing under an honor code and build small communal hierarchies that don't answer to anyone but themselves. That couldn't possibly result in multi-factional warfare on a world scale.

>>74109438
No, it really isn't. Because that's exactly what is going on in this current political climate.

>>74107648
>>73943864
t. butthurt sargon of akkad

>>74104935
Leftism isn't about actual global anarchy, it's about the hope that more freedom and equality is always possible and people who go to bed with the status quo can get fucked

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>>74104935
Fuck politics.

>>74105056
nice bait you piece of fucking shit.

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>256 posts
>65 posters
majority of posts are samefagging in order for OP to feel proud that his shitty thread got to the top of a board for once

sage

>>74112626
kek. That's what useful idiots believe. Look it up, it's Lenin's terminology.

>>74104935
Do you say yes to the psycho left-wing socialist fascist industrial death machine? Because that exists too.

>>74112923
jesus fuck you retard, there are people having conversations here. If you divide 256 by 65 you end up with about 4 post per person, which is nothing unusual you fucking moron. Are you literally donald trump or what?

>>74113052
>left wing
>fascist
pick one

>>74113052
lenin can get fucked as well. Fucking dictators posing as liberation force of the working class, rising to power and reigning with an iron fist have no fucking place in anything that's left.

That's fucking right wing bullshit posing as the left, just like Stalin, the GDR, Mao. Fuck their fucking asses back to their so called communist graves and let them rot in all eternity.

>>74113086
shill man please leave

>>74104935
Okay. I'll get right on saying yest to the Psycho Left-Wing Socialist Communist Jewish Death Machine. That machine seems like much better machine.