What is it about hip-hop that makes it age worse than every

It's nigger noise. It's loud, boisterous, and flashy but ultimately just nigger noise.

Destruction is a creative act for a nigger. It's why their music, their art, their entire culture celebrates violence and destruction.

>>74104333
>It's nigger noise
Why the racism?

>>74104333
fuck off back to /pol/

>>74104297
It evolves faster than any other genre and unapologetically grasps onto new trends.

>>74104297
It's still incredibly young and figuring itself out

>>74104346
Because niggers are subhuman beasts and our attempts to domesticate them have failed.

>>74104398
What is there to figure out? Its niggers talking over a beat

>>74104398
>it's a good genre, it's on its way to church, it's a genre on its way to college

>>74104398
It's nearly 40 years old. That's like calling rock music incredibly young in the 90's.

>>74104460
>It's nearly 40 years old. That's like calling rock music incredibly young in the 90's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

>False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.[1]

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early hip-hop still bangs tho idk what you talking about

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>>74104434

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>>74104540

>>74104297
It's meant to be disposable and ephemeral, like Snapchat.
I've had a theory that an important reason the tastemakers change up music all the time is creating generation gaps in taste and preventing solidarity between generations.
>reattaches tinfoil under cans

>>74104529
It also used to have a point. Other than Chuck D and MF DOOM, which rappers these days frequently rap about shit that matters? It's all just conspicuous consumption anymore, like unto pop-art. Bitches, blunts and forties.

>>74104560
>obvious shoop is obvious

>>74104568
walk into traffic, dumb fuck

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>>74104568

>>74104587
(You)

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It's produced faster, less thought out, simpler, and focuses on being relevant rather than timeless months/years pass and the track is garbage. At least in the case of mainstream rap/hip-hop

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>>74104618

>>74104473
How is it a false equivalence? I'm saying hip hop is not a young genre.

>>74104346
>>74104363
>complaining about racism on 4chin

Because it evolves much faster than rock, making a lot of the other stuff poorly aged

>>74104581
what did you get so angry about?

Innovation in hip-hop is based on production techniques, and gimmicky production always ages like milk.

>>74104333
>>74104434
>>74104438
Feel bad for you guys...

>>74104568
You've really not listened to as many rappers as you think you have

>>74104333
Jesus Christ Raimi

>>74105290
>posted on /mu/

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You claim that rap ages quickly, yet this album still sounds like it came from the future.

>>74104297
Because hip hop tends to lend itself to electronic music, which is largely influenced by whatever's popular at the moment. As trends come and go, hiphop instrumentals come and go as well, which causes the whole 'aging' thing. Rock music mostly doesn't seem to age (unless you're listening to shitty hair metal) because it has more or less remained the same throughout the decades.
Aging is a sign of progress.

>>74104333
Nice uninformed opinion. Bet you're real redpilled, eh? You know the truth, don't you. Everybody else is blind sheeple but not you

>>74104724
mass generalizations galore. this is only true of trap and mumble rap, which most people only listen to 'ironically,' anyway.

Hip hop has little to no musical merit so every hip hop album ages like milk

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>>74104333

>>74104473
You must have very low reading comprehension. Hip-hop is as old now as rock was in the 90s, even older if you take into account that many people consider rock and rock and roll two different genres/movements.

>>74106142
>le reading comprehension meme
fuck off or get a better argument

>>74106552
He's right about what he's saying and I don't know why you have such a huge problem about it.

80's rock is still listenable
80's hiphop is mostly atrocious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwDTfsR6Y3w

This for example its just awful.

>>74104297
It's pure industry garbage.

>>74105290
It's LITERALLY what it is.

>>74104379
This, hip-hop as a genre evolves/changes faster than any other genre of music. Rock music at the end of the day is still the same old guitar shit in comparison. Hip-hop on the other hand, is very diverse because any/every sound can be used to create its instrumentals. That way it can adapt whatever sound is hip at the moment (like it did with the EDM trend this decade and RnB in the decades past.) There's a night and day difference between Rakim/Young Thug yet a band like Radiohead, despite being "revolutionary", sounds a lot like the big bands of the 60s/70s like Beatles or Pink Floyd or Can.

>>74105618
lol ok

>>74107662
lmao

>>74107757
HAHAHAH what the actual fuck, do you even understand what you're typing.

>>74104333
>people taking this bait

>>74106602
Ill reply because I feel like I know what the fedora'd fallacy genius was getting at.

Hip -Hop may have been around for as long as rock had been in the 90's, but if you only look to the number of years the genres been around, you're kind of implying that both genres have had the same amount of artistic progression in that time, which is not necessarily true.

Not saying I agree with him, just throwing it out there.

>>74107757
All I'll bother saying to refute this is that you need to either listen to more rock and stop being totally ignorant of the genre, or stop baiting and fuck off.

>>74107757
this

>>74104297
what's the name of that one rap song that has that "BAIIIBY" (baby but the ba is really long) adlib?

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>>74107757
Actually all hip hop sounds the same. I can't even tell if it's lil Wayne, future, rich homie Quan, young thug or tpain trying to make a comeback. I would understand if you said "all punk bands sound the same" or "all glam rock bands sound the same" but saying all rock sounds the same is stupid. Honestly, think about it, can you really put an album like "news of the world - queen" next to "banned in DC - badbrains????" Both are amazing works of art but they're not anywhere similar. Hip hop has been on life support since about 2010. It's on it's last leg.

>>74104560
sauce?

>>74108895
obviously photoshop

>>74108861
>Hip-Hop is on it's last leg

I believe this is unfortunately untrue. The current generation of young people are able to connect with recent hip-hop being made in the same way that people in the 60's connected with Dylan and his protest music and Nirvana in the early 90's. Hip-Hop has replaced rock, in the way that it is in the cultural forefront in america at the moment, and wont go anywhere until something completely new comes to divert the attention and start a new musical movement.

What makes hiphop is the art of rhyme. These rhymes tend to be heavy linked to slang and cultural references. Things like money cars and clothes, which change every spring. What you do see though is the changing of rhyme scheme to make for a different sound, but the subject matter is always the same.

>implying the slim shady and marshall mathers LPs aren't fucking GOAT tier to this day

>>74109254
this
The Eminem Show is fucking epic as well

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>>74109219
>ITT: degenerates who think mumbling douchebags are hip-hop artists

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>>74104587
Wait though, why did you post a cartoon? Post an actual picture of the people on the right.

>>74107757
>hip-hop
>never really went past 4/4 sampled beats with rhymes

>rock
>post-rock, math-rock and a gazillion of genres doing a myriad of rhythms, time signatures; drew extensively on world music, classical, other artforms, electronic music, literally all kind of timbral mark up has been explored, and so on...

The "progress" on hip-hop is mostly just production minutiae that turn trendy, inflate and are absorved by more mainstream acts, dies down with the advent of a new gimmick. Musically speaking, the genre has been largely stagnant since its inception

it sucks

>>74109533
Accurate when you don't know shit about hip-hop

>>74109617
Also accurate when you know shit about hip-hop. The true musical voices on hip-hop are very few and far betwee

>>74109635
kek, there are so many underground and unknown artists that are far better than all the Kanyes and Kendricks out there. But sure m8, hop-hip is reduced to tends, gimmicks, and a few voices.. sure..

I like old hip hop. There is plenty of unlistenable shit in every genre from the past including hip hop though

>>74104346
>>74105695
>rock music more or less has remained the same over the years
Lmao yeah because imagine dragons sounds just like Zappa dude.

>>74109811
The only hip hop I like is the REALLY old shit, back in the Sugar Hill days when all the songs were seven minutes long and the lyrics were just "Look how cool I am".

>>74109871
>imagine dragons
>rock
are you insane

>>74109871
Imagine Dragons are indie, not rock.

>>74109871
>DUDE just compare two artists who couldn't be more different and that will be your argument LMAO

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>>74109751
>there are so many underground and unknown artists that are far better than all the Kanyes and Kendricks out there.
lol

whenever you pressure someone making this claim to give examples they always give the most laughably bad ones like Tech N9ne or something

>>74104333
There was a time when people would say that same thing about rock or jazz

>>74109219
>What makes hiphop is the art of rhyme.
This.

Hip-hop takes lyricism much further than rock ever has.

>>74109871
Imagine Dragons are pop trash what the fuck are you on about

>>74110060
>indie
not a genre
when people talk about indie they're referring either to indie ROCK or indie folk

>>74110063
not him, but that's the point being made? diversity in rock music

>>74106634
Come on Hip hop was still in its infancy in the 80's. Rock was there for at least 30 years. And it's the 90's hip hop that are still listenable because they brought huge advances in terms of flow, lyrical ability, charismatic mcs, and huge advances in terms of production.

>>74108861
t. butthurt rockist

>>74104724
>trust nobody, not even yourself

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>>74110085
not a fan of Tech N9ne desu
talking more about thinks like
>Swollen Members
>Foreign Beggars
>John Robinson
>Chill Bump
>Yelawolf
>Verb T
>Shahmen

inb4 "I dont know them so they're bad"

those are all bringing something new to the table and avoid the bitch-niggaz-dope-gangsta tropes.. not looking to start a debate here, but I also thought hip-hop was all the same before I started looking for quality stuff

>>74109871
Both bands work with a similar timbre set of guitars, bass, and drumset. They also work almost exclusively within pentatonic scale/their "shapes on guitar". Sounds need to exist exclusively in terms of chords and melodies. Now you'll be like "b-but Zappa shows how versatile rock music is cuz muh Brain Police" but that's not even rock it mystique concrete. Zappa's most well known moments are rarely even rock at all; rather it's usually some sorta early electronic, doo wop, or jazz fusion. That makes the comparison ever weaker.

>>74108861
No it doesn't. The difference between DJ Kool Herc, Nas, Death Grips, and Young Thug are miles apart. Rock music will always be limited due to being guitar/drumset music that's almost always limited to pentatonic stuff with some variation from more experimental bands. Hip hop doesn't have theoretical limitations due to its ability to incorporate literally any sound it wants to be the overall sound.

>>74110465
>Hip hop doesn't have theoretical limitations
are you actually retarded?

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>>74110394
adding to that list:
>Kool Keith
>Grems
>Atmosphere
>Greydon Square

>>74109533
Hip hop has a FAR wider timbre set than rock music ever did despite being much younger. Hip hop's has times it goes outside 4/4 as well, but it doesn't matter because even in 4/4 it offers far more rhythmic variety thus rhythmic interplay than rock ever did.

Also
>actual classical ever in rock music
This only shows how ignorant you are about music. Don't even bring up prog or Henry Cow because you'll only further embarrass yourself.

>>74110398
>>74110465
>>74110520
You're a pseud of the highest caliber. Try and be objective at least once

Rock music is infinitely more diverse than hip hop. Even though hip-hop is beat-based music, rock still manages to display more rhythmic variation. Like I said before, rock has assimilated basically ANYTHING from anywhere and did it in a creative, syncretic way. Hip-hop's incorporation of new timbres is always shallow because they lie inconspicuously in the very same 4/4 unimaginative structure.

>actual classical ever in rock music
Ever heard of Glenn Branca? First wave post-rock?

>>74110503
It doesn't though. Really just only needs something slightly resembling a breakbeat or a rap over it as long as it doesn't just do something that's been exactly done before.

>>74110668
Hip hop is perhaps THE single most constrained music genre there is. It almost never ever go past the same beats, tempo, harmonic structure (when there's even any discernible harmonic content lmao), lyrical structure, phrasing...it's just so utterly limited I can't believe this isn't bait. Sampling weird sounds on top of a simple beat doesn't mean breaking the mold, big guy. Even then, sampling has already been explored to greater extents by artists outside of hip hop many decades ago.

Are Future and DJ Esco gay? Future mentions him a bit too often in songs and they're a bit too touchy to be close friends IMO

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>>74110745
dude... rappers can go over literally anything, from complete silence to heavy dubstep mixed with classical piano and star wars sfx

>>74110654
Holy shit you're fucking stupid, like every pretentious rock fan ever.

>more rhythmic variation
Nope. Sure the back beat is often in 4/4, but it achieves rhythmic variation in rhythmic interplay between that, the MC, and various other parts. This is not something that rock has at all, and was only explored in jazz before that.
>rock assimilated
No, it took surface level crap from other genres. Like, this was literally the argument for King Crimson back in the day because it's not really classical influence, it's just pop structure with an extentded instrumental sections that neither develop like classical nor improvise like jazz while keeping to rock music's shallow progressions.
>always same 4/4 structure
Not true because the genre's not always in 4/4, but also not true because it has been willing to work with everything that can be used in a variety of ways, giving it the ability to create atmospheres rock can't feasibly make. Sure in the end it may not be as melodically or harmonically "intricate" as rock, but rock even in prog forms had been very basic in that realm meanwhile hip hop understands what it's good at and focuses on that.

>>74110845
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, so I'll reply anyway
Read any basic textbook on poetry or songwriting and you'll realize most rappers barely scratch the surface of lyricism

>>74110654
Oh I didn't even see the bottom part.
>Branca
I posted the giant share of almost his entire discography. But that guy was nowhere near classical until he dropped rock entirely.
>First wave
>classical
It has more similarities to jazz, but even then the structures are much simpler with the instrumental parts not at the intricacy of actual jazz.

>>74110745
Now you're just being ignorant considering I have the examples of Kool Herc, Nas, Death Grips, and Young Thug who are all wildly different from each other in style, sound, and rhythm.

>m-mug harmonic structure
You wouldn't be listening to rock music if you really gave a fuck. Rock music focuses on melody/harmony only to be inferior to much better classical/jazz in that realm. Hip hop understands it's specialization in percussive rhythmic interplay and does it really well.

>>74110745
Oh and
>b-but muh Negativland did sampling better
No they didn't. Sampling pre hip hop was basic as fuck until guys like Bomb Squad, De La Soul, and Beastie Boys starting surgically cutting them apart into ways never done before.

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>>74111059
Did I just see someone giving some credit to the Beastie Boys? FINALLY

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>>74110924
Hip hop has ZERO melodic content, ZERO harmonic content and still lags behind rock music concerning rhythm - no, it almost never goes beyond 4/4 simple meter, it almost never employs polyrhythms or other "interplay". You sound very musically illiterate by affirming that
Hip hop's playground is only timbre, and even there they're light years behind. Like I said, their so called progress are only the latest shiny production tool, almost never real, substantial usage of far out timbral content. Rock music had perpassed basically anything timbre-wise by the 90s.

>>74111036
>Now you're just being ignorant considering I have the examples of Kool Herc, Nas, Death Grips, and Young Thug who are all wildly different from each other in style, sound, and rhythm.
>style, sound and rhythm
Their rhythm is the same as all hip-hop. What do you mean by style? All the shit that influenced Death Grips and Nas was already explored a billion times by rock acts.

And no, I'm not a fucking rockist. In fact, I barely listen to rock music nowadays. Your posts are so musically illiterate I just felt compelled to argue

>>74111059
John Oswald, the dozens of names in the avant-garde tradition, dub pioneers...they all excelled in sampling before hip-hop was even a thing; the only barrier between them and the sound you hear nowadays is technological. Hip-hop did literally nothing new music-wise. Educate yourself.

>>74109254
That's because Dr. Dres production is impeccable.

>>74111036
>Hip hop understands it's specialization in percussive rhythmic interplay
Hip hop's rhythmic content is primitive at best. Electronic music artists have way more interesting things to say regarding rhythm

>>74111163
kek
So in that regard, no music genre ever did nothing new because there was always proto-sub-genres somewhere developing elements of it. Got it.

>>74111234
Wrong, learn to read
Hip-hop music is mostly created by amateur musicians with no formal education (so is rock, if we are talking about absolute majorities, but rock happened to entice a few virtuosos or people that understand composition). It's no surprise its musical content is very primitive...it's music that's simple to create, play live and disseminate. People like simple music

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>>74111353

Why is something as basic as polyrhythms lacking in a supposedly beat-oriented genre? Rock did it. EDM did it. Afro-futurists do it all the time, yet hip hop never breaks the mold

>>74111440
You're in a music board and feel threatened when people talk music. Cool

>>74104297
boom bap doesnt age

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7SBQ6X5HU

Rockists did this in the late 70s, yet hip hop fans expect you to believe Death Grips is somehow groundbreaking music. Have you ever listened to fucking Crystal Castles? kek.
They don't even know the history of the genre they claim to be fans of, since acts like Dalek did Death Grips before Death Grips existed

>>74111470
I don't feel threatened, but you make yourself sound so superior that there's no point discussing with you. You seem to think only academic virtuoso can achieve great and worthy things, but for any artistic discipline, you'd be 100% wrong. Art comes from the soul and speaks to the soul - the technical side is only a part of the whole. So, primitive up your ass m8. I'm gonna take a heartfelt simple song with a few wrong notes over a Joe Satriani masturbation track any fucking day.

>>74111685
it's very telling that the first thing that pops in your head when you hear the word "virtuoso" is fucking joe satriani lmao
stick to your nigger beats and ""soulful"" music

>>74111774
why not use the obvious example?
anyway, i will, thank you
enjoy your fedora collection

>>74110140
whites rushed in and saved those genres. That never happened with hip hop.

Because it's garbage music. It's that simple. A rap artist is only as relevant as the hype surrounding them. When the hype dies, they go away. The only difference between some nobody freestyling in his bedroom and a successful rapper making millions is a marketable persona. Both are equally talentless, one of them just got lucky. Great music endures not because it used to be popular once, but because the prowess and ability of the musician is evident in their composition.

It's the reason why 100 years from now people will still be blown away by the music of Beethoven, while rap will merely be a forgettable curiosity, much like disco, a product of a period that we look back on with bemused humor thinking "People used to listen to THAT?".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0MgmH-RY9c

Zomby isn't a virtuoso. Hell, he was basically a bedroom producer when this song was created, and yet he DARED do something creative with music theory and it worked.
Why do hip-hop producers only think about their production toys and timbre? Why do they stick to the very same? Do they lack balls or brains?

>>74111163
>zero melodic/harmonic content
Not always. Kendrick's "u" has free jazz inspired bits that are more melodically complex than anything in rock music. But again, it's not about melodic content with hip hop, and rock's melodic content is too limited to be worth listening to.
>it never employs polyrhythms
This is objectively false in all cases but where the rappers flow follows exactly the backing arrangement. The rapper, the rhythm section, and the backing arrangement all often very wildly different rhythms.
>musically illiterate
I didn't say that hip hop has no polyrhythms when that's literally what the genre specializes in.
>Rock music had surpassed timbrewise by 90s
No it didn't. It's stuck to way too many instrument related limitations. Like, fuck dude there's a reason the total serialist masterpiece is an electronically made work like Kontakte, not your shitty as Royal Trux.
>the rhythm is same as in all hip hop
Again, objectively not true. Herc's dub funk sounding style, boom bap, breakcore inspired percussion, and trap's bass drone hi hat rhythms are all totally different. Fucking listen to the music you mong.
>Oswald
>dub pioneers
And not a single one of them did sampling the way hip hop did. If you have actually listened to Oswald's record Plunderphonics, you would know that samples are played straight forward with a dignified beginning and end point. If you had actually listened to dub artists, you would know that their sampling innovations are based in usually the same backing arrangement as the original being played but with increased bass presence, more erratic percussion sections, and spatial vocal cuts for fading vocals. None of it is on the surgical level of what the artists I mentioned earlier did in hip hop where they surgically cut samples to leave small spaces for other surgically cut samples. It's also very telling that you have to move the discussion outside of rock to even make a point.

Actually LISTEN to the stuff being discussed.

>>74112240
>Kendrick's "u" has free jazz inspired bits that are more melodically complex than anything in rock music
Literally stopped reading there. You can't be serious

>>74112240
you don't actually know what a polyrhythm is...

>>74112280
It does though. Rock music's nowhere near as melodically super complex as anyone makes it out to be. Don't even reference progressive "I look cool but I stay in the same old keys every other rock music does" rock or Frank "I can't solo outside the pentatonic shapes on a guitar" Zappa for this either because you will prove how little you know then.
>>74112355
Dude even the most basic bitch trap song has this when the hi hats play in triplets and the rapper is doing duplets along with them.

>>74111941
>born in le wrong century XDD

>>74104297
it changes a lot, that's what makes music age.
If anything that's a good thing

>>74112414
>hi hats play in triplets and the rapper is doing duplets along with them.
>tuplets are polyrhythms
like I said, you don't actually know what you're talking about

>>74104297
80's and 90's rap aged well
only 00's rap aged like shit but it was probabbly shit in the first place

>>74112521
Triplets and duplets playing together is literally one of the most simple and well known examples of polyrhythms. I never said tuplets themselves are polyrhythm. Are you intentionally acting retarded now?

>>74104297
Because of how heavily synthesized and trend based much of the music is just in the first decade of the 21st century there were several competing styles like the Neptunes' RnB influenced ones, Dre's hardcore G-funk, Kanye and No ID's sample based beats, and at the tail end more popular EDM influenced beats. And this is just the entry level stuff, you also had underground producers like EL-P or MF DOOM with completely unique styles of production.
Sample based beats will almost always age better, I think.

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>tfw classical masterrace and reading hip-hop niggers arguing with pasty white rockists itt

Hip Hop just isnt very good as pure music. Kanye isnt a real international celebrity in the same way rock and pop musicians from the 60s to the 90s were.
You dont need to understand English to enjoy the Beatles or Pynk Floyd, but if you know no English, Hip Hop is just people talking fast in a language you dont know over music almost completely lacking in melody and harmony.
You can travel through East Asia or South America, and people dont know who Kanye is while there are many radios playing constantly 80s pop music like Simple Minds Dont You Forget About Me or Whitesnake's Is this Love, and many other radios playing "classic rock", a category that now includes 90s grunge and alternative rock.

>>74113014
That seems a bit plebby, classical composers were aware of music common people played in places like taberns or family meetings. And sometimes incorporated influences, or even motifs, from popular, folk, local music. I can think of Scarlatti and Mahler doing that right now.

>>74113511
This is rather disingenuous because

1. Hip hop isn't based on lyricism, but rhythmic flow.
2. Those countries have very popular hip hop artists of their own. Reggaeton for example is literally a genre based on hip hop. In India, the most popular pop artist is Badshah, a rapper.
3. Musical celebrity/rockstar culture is very different today from what it once used to be. The mystique isn't there thanks to globalization and the internet.

>>74104724
This 100%

>>74104297
Rap from the 80s is for the most part pretty corny going back to listen to it, but a ton of 90s and 2000s shit still holds up really well. What albums made you think it ages badly?

>>74113511
>Hip Hop is just people talking fast in a language you dont know over music almost completely lacking in melody and harmony.

hip hop is the stealing of other peoples music, ruining it, reshaping it, and using it as a platform for your vanity. basically, hip hop is evil, so therefore it can only exist briefly and then die. it cannot be timeless.

also fuck capcha

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>>74114423
>sampling is stealing

>>74104333
I always wonder what kind of person makes these posts. Who thinks about black people this much?

>>74111666
Rockists have music influenced by gabber that extensively uses trap influenced high hats?
Damn!

>>74114944
>trap influenced high hats
kill yourself

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>>74115002
enjoy your time in jail <3

>>74113511
Dvorak is pretty much "classical composer gets really inspired by folk music" as a whole.

>>74109533
>genre has been largely stagnant since its inception
I can tell you have listened to almost no hip hop. If you want a nice tour through the evolution to hip hop listen to:
1. Run DMC - Raising Hell
2. Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
3. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
4. NWA - Straight Outta Compton
5. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
6. Wu Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers
7. Nas - Illmatic
8. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
9. 2pac - All Eyez on Me
10. Notorious BIG - Life After Death
11. Outkast - Aquemini
12. Eminem - The Marshal Mathers LP
13. Lil Wayne - Tha Carter III
14. Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp a Butterfly
You can see how hip hop evolves from simple rhymes over simple beats to a sample collage style, then onto more complex rhymes and flows, gangsta rap, then the g funk era of Dr. Dre, then the east coast renaissance, then the age of 2pac and biggie, then eminem, the bling era, and finally today. To say that the genre has been stagnant is simply wrong.

>>74115323
>1. Run DMC - Raising Hell
>2. Eric B and Rakim - Paid in Full
>3. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
>4. NWA - Straight Outta Compton
>5. Dr. Dre - The Chronic
>8. Mobb Deep - The Infamous
>9. 2pac - All Eyez on Me
>14. Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp a Butterfly
nobody actually still listens to these albums (Shook Ones is probably the only thing still in rotation)

>>74115323
Yet it's all a load of nigger noise.