Why does it become more and more complicated to get famous (at

people grow up metal is for childrens

>>73999063
Very easy solution, friend. You and your band buddies need to become trans, if you don't get signed in a month or less then kys

>>73999069
why is that

technical musical ability will never beat out songwriting. the best you can hope for is to sound different than everyone else while also making something people can tap their foot to.

even for metal, look at the bands with the most popularity. Lamb of God writes actual pop songs to a backdrop of groove metal. Pantera did similar shit. They just sound different.

tldr your band is probably shit but you think it's good because you take music lessons

>>73999063
Because there's so many bands out there all doing more or less the same thing that it's impossible to get noticed. Talented musicians are a dime a dozen, some of the greatest guitarists I've ever seen, I saw playing to empty rooms. It's more about social media now than music anyway

>>73999106
Nah don't think so, we're good (at least when we compare ourselves to the "popular" bands, even though we are making songs a bit too versatile I'll concede).

>>73999157

So would you do ? Just pay a billion chinese to give you likes on fb and thumbs on youtube ?

>>73999244
so get better marketing. if kids really did think you were good they'd be buying your tee shirts. if promoters really did think you were good you'd be getting shows consistently.

you're forgetting there's a lot of luck involved too. i'm guessing you play mostly in shitty suburban basements...if there is no marquee at any show you're playing no one is ever going to notice you

literally the only way to be "famous" in 21st century is via marketing and big social media presence. Even then, if you're not constantly relevant, people will forget about you easily

>>73999413
>>73999345

Well fuck us then.
Gojira and some did it but I can't fucking see through this mystery (they didn't use THAT much of social media support I think)

>>73999069
Yeah cause ed sheeran is for grown up men and women.
(Yeah he's not the worst but I didn't pick a ridiculous counter-example like justin fagger or else on purpose)

>>73999570
can confirm, was a kid that bought a Gojira t shirt at the height of their popularity

>>73999570
Opeth is one of my favorite bands and they're super popular for a "death metal" band but that's because they started playing death metal in Sweden in the 90s. Just a matter of circumstances and luck. Nowadays, no one really cares about metal except memes like Deafheaven. What does your band sound like? If you want to be popular you need to know your audience and how to sell it

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>>73999063
voocaroo my friend or link to the band

getting famous is more a matter of luck than talent, you also need good social skills

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Mmmmmh not sure If we're getting fucking roasted given that I bragged earlier

>>73999591
you're right fuck justin bieber thumbs up if you still listen to REAL music

>>73999689
Figuring out a way to share it anonymously

>>73999689

here is an extract with groove n shit

https://clyp.it/5jjlbfxr?token=bcd953a864ceb9791bf193b082281a07

>>73999082
Against me! isn't super popular. Your logic is flawed.

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>>74000104
pretty good, liked the groove.
not too much into that vocal style, i much prefer ed the bm'd style vocals around the middle.

The end kinda lost me, id have to see how the song progresses. But without that i really though the latter riff kinda felt cheesy.

But a snipet of one song can't be enough to know judge a band

>>74000190
Well in comparison with my band with few hundred likes on fb, Against me! looks damn popular, it's a matter of point of views

>>74000255
yeah I think I'll upload the whole song later

>>74000380
M8 even if you have a million likes on Facebook, you can still be an irrelevant washed up act. All that shows is that you were popular from a period in between 2007-2013, when people actually liked stuff on Facebook that wasn't just meme pages and politically charged articles.

Because you are not talented. You are just another average metal band with "above average" technical skills.

>>74000626
Do me a favor and tell me about the most talented band according to you

>>74000104
It's shit, and you guys don't even have talent. Stop playing metal and maybe you could have a chance.

>>74000665
Absolutely most talented? That's a difficult question, but I will go for Cardiacs.

You'll never get famous these days unless you help invent a style of music, and then it'll probably only be after you die.

>>74000699
Well I give attention to every critics and especially the negative ones so plz explain

>>74000104
I liked around 0:15 when you had the high pitched scream and overdubbed it so it played twice that was kinda cool. Also I like the groove, it seems like if you guys just keep practicing together you'd be really tight (you already are). who are your main influences?

>>74000104
vocals sound like Heavy from tf2
the snare sounds like closing a book fast
once the actual verse starts you cant hear the vocals
the riffs are wack
1/10

>>74000892
Because you do nothing interesting. It's not "what am I doing bad", but "what am I not doing good".

>>74000104
this was boring and mediocre

>>73999063
you have to be willing to get fucked up your ass
>no talent required

In all honesty, OP, the clip *sounded* like "here are some guys who make metal as a hobby" rather than "this is an actual viable metal band"

>>74000699
who hurt you :'(

>>74003359
I'm just being honest.

>>74001310
Please don't judge on the production but rather on the music

>>74001689
Well please bring us your elements of response

>>74003250
Go on, elaborate

>>74003335
That is the case, we don't do it full time because some of us are still studying, some of us are working (we are all 23-25 year old)

>>74003335
(plus, we'd go broke in 2 weeks because show money is reaaaally low)

>>74004071
>Go on, elaborate
There is nothing to elaborate on. It's boring and mediocre. You should prove why it's not boring nor mediocre.

Anyway, I was wondering why we couldn't become popular with stuff like this when some shitty bands are.
If the answer is "not good enough music" then so be it, but now I'll have to find how to improve. We are all more or less fine with our instruments (everybody played his own instrument for at least 10 years) so I would need advice in song writing.

>>74004071
you had like one boring riff that might have been cooler if it were faster and maybe you moved it up a 3rd or an octave once in a while, the vocals sounded like yeti mating calls, or some henchman in the road warrior

>>74000104
The only way to get sucess out of music is to have popularity on social media, it is countless the amount of shiutheads who started has being famous on social media and now try to make music and end up getting sucess even though it's shit, KSI is a prime example.
In other words all you need to do is get noticed has hard as you can, that is all you need to get big in music.

>>74004162
Because your band is shit.
Stop playing metal, metal is dead unless you are actually talented which you and your friends are clearly not.

>>73999063
You have to be either technical as fuck, or be in unison with some new fad like oogabooga djent, math metal or whateverthefuck. Simple good bands with memorable songs are not rated anymore...

>>74004185
This is wrong.
Your best bet is to get signed at a well respected label.
Social media is very relevant, but it can help.

>>74004117
I'm not asking you to prove anything.
I can tell why I find trivium boring or why I find half the shit going on the radio mediocre, etc, by exposing facts that matter to me

>>74004117
whoops slightly misred your response

>>74004219
>anymore
More like never ever

>>74004227
Things are boring because they are not interesting. You can expose through facts that something is interesting, but you can't say the same about something being boring.
Null hypothesis is that stuff is boring unless there is something that would prove the opposite.

>>74000718
Well I didn't know Cardiacs and it is clearly not something that I could compose or enjoy playing.
Can you please tell which metal band you find the most talented ?

>>74004324
Infidel? Castro!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPQRTjxuzXs

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>>74004363
wat

>>74004446
Pleb

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>>73999771
>he thinks radio pop is better than metal

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>>74004446
oh shit i didn't even see this post until after i posted >>74004523

>>74004221
Look at desiigner, all he did was put his track in kanye's album and he got famous. all he needed to do was to show everyone the track and people got interest even if its shit. All it matters today is that the music goes to everyone, doesnt matter the quality

>>74004625
Yeah, never mind that the guy had already released two full albums before he appeared on that Kanye track.
Just deal with it, you and your band suck. Don't blame it on anyone else.

>>74004487
Was expecting some technical / melodic stuff beyond creation-like and got... wat (no offense)

>>74004730
>technical / melodic stuff beyond creation-like
No wonder you guys suck...

>>74004729
(op here) I did not write the post you responded to. Anyway, like I said, I don't mind being criticized when it brings something / enlighten people around. I'm not putting the blame on anyone but us, just trying to figure out a way of improvement

>>74004751
Well, kinda reassures me that you think we suck if you think those guys are bad / untalented. No offense again but in matter of metal your tastes seems... a bit unconventional

>>74004793
>just trying to figure out a way of improvement
Stop playing metal.
Listen to good music.

>>74004844
>in matter of metal your tastes seems... a bit unconventional
And then you wonder why you don't stand out? lol

>>74001689
you're an ass and you don't even know what you're talking about.

interest is subjective, and if you think this shit >>74004363 is the best metal band then you obviously don't even like metal.

>>74000104
>>73999063
it sounds like you guys are capable enough players. there are some critiques i can make though. for one, the vocals have got to change. either go for full shrieks/growls, or go clean. the half and half thing that you're doing sounds like a dorky pirate singing a sea shanty, or a really bad tom waits impression. either way it sounds super corny.

the second thing i would say is find a niche. right now this doesn't sound like any particular subgenre of extreme metal, it kind of just sounds like it's just taking cliches from all of them in the way that metal-core does. if you want to be a successful metal band DON'T play metal-core or anything that resembles it.

either choose a subgenre where there will already be an established group of fans looking for new material, or do something so new and avant garde that it's something else entirely

last thing i'll say is that metal is an EXTREMELY image-basted genre of music. one of the best things you can do to get noticed is have a good-looking album cover with a good-looking logo

>>74004919
>Stop playing metal.
>Listen to good music.
fuck off pleb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU9GAxrQHmg&t=4s

>>74000104
>https://clyp.it/5jjlbfxr?token=bcd953a864ceb9791bf193b082281a07

You are a very long way from being remotely marketable. Keep practicing and challenging yourself creatively, and be a lot more selective of the other musicians you play with. Especially your vocalist.

>>74004929
>you're an ass
Yes.
>you don't even know what you're talking about.
Wrong.
>interest is subjective
Arguably.
>if you think this shit >>74004363 (You) is the best metal band then you obviously don't even like metal.
Wrong.

>>74004929
>it sounds like you guys are capable enough players
They are not. They completely lack talent.

>>74004929
>metal is an EXTREMELY image-basted genre of music
Only some styles. A lot of metal artists don't care in the slightest about image.

>>74005016
I'm not the pleb who plays generic metal.

>>74004929
Thank you for your critiques.

>either go for full shrieks/growls, or go clean.
I guess it's doable, our singer would want to go clean. I guess I could still growl behind that

>find a niche
Well, the difficulty in our band is that we have like 1 subgenre influence by member so we have a hard time mixing all that (hence the sound of we are just taking cliches). I guess we could say that we try to stay in a particular groove metal (trepalium is an influence of ours, check them out they are awesome) but maybe not enough (and maybe it's not the right niche)

>>74005308
>we try to stay in a particular groove metal
>and maybe it's not the right niche
well it certainly isn't the most popular style of metal so don't expect there to be too many fans there. but if that's the style you guys want to play you should definitely stick with it fuck changing your style just to be trendy

>>74005037
Please keep in mind that this is not a pro recording.

>be a lot more selective of the other musicians you play with. Especially your vocalist

Well they're all my friends so I we will try to figure out something (he's an exceptionnal clean singer but he has a hard time putting clean singing on our riffs)

>>74000104
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>>74004071
Nigga if you ever want to improve at least learn to take criticism and don't act like a salty bitch.

>>74005458
How am I salty ~~

>>74004363
This is right up my alley, thanks man

>>74005533
You are welcome <3

>>74005424
Nail

>>74005134
You know that most of metal in general is not obscure-sludge-KVLT-meta-weird stuff like you linked, right ?

>>74005589
Most metal sucks, so your point is?

>>74005743
Dude how can you say "blabla I know a lot about metal" if you like no more than 2% ?
I like a few rap music, listened a lot that I despised, doesn't make me a rap expert.
Second, how can you be so categorical with thoses guys with only 2 riffs of their songs ?

>>74005794
knowing =/= liking
Also, I would bet that 99% of music in general sucks, so...
>how can you be so categorical with thoses guys with only 2 riffs of their songs?
It doesn't take a genius to know that they are just your average metal band playing generic metal music with generic cliches and stereotypes judging from that 30 second sample alone.

>>74005134
>>74005743
you're such a pretentious retarded cunt it's unbelievable, no wonder you're a tripfag as well. OP just lacks creativity and inspiration and here you are telling him to play some vomit inducing garbage that you think is "good" because you're a retarded elitist. Fuck off

>>74005414
>Please keep in mind that this is not a pro recording.

Obviously, you definitely have a lot of growing to do as musician though dude. If you wanna jam with your friends and play small local bars and house shows this is sufficient, sure. Actually making money as a musician is a whole other ball game. I think you're seriously underestimating how much work goes into achieving this as a metal/rock band in the 21st century, and the sample you provided is very immature. Just keep at it. Jam with other musicians who are better than you, play in other bands, play out often, buy a van, play other cities. Just keep playing until you don't suck.

>>74005950
>OP just lacks creativity and inspiration
My point exactly.
>you are telling him to play some vomit inducing garbage
Wrong. I was only asked to post some good metal, not metal he should play.
>that you think is "good"
It is good.
>because you're a retarded elitist
You are telling me I'm an elitist like it's a bad thing lol

>>74005993
Is this an elaborate troll or is your brain damaged? He asked how he can sell music and be popular and you gave him THAT? That sounds like something that sells to you?

>>74005971
> I think you're seriously underestimating how much work goes into achieving this as a metal/rock band in the 21st century

I don't think I'm underestimating it, I'm just trying to figure out where I should put my efforts (and my band members') in the first place.

>>74006207
obviously not metal, children aren't a good fanbase

>>74006136
In his defense he gave me that weird stuff after I asked him, in his opinion, which metal band was the most talented.
He gave his label-related advice earlier.

(Nonetheless I too wonder about his brain, given the stuff he likes)

>>73999106
>technical musical ability will never beat out songwriting
It does, metal is just not good enough a genre to have standards

It's totally random. Truly though, being a talented musician is nothing special. Most musicians don't try to play the most complicated things they're capable of, because it doesn't sound good.

>>74006136
You lack reading comprehension.
Please read the post I was replying to.

>>74004071
i did criticize the music, the vocals are shit and so are the riffs

>>74006292
It's not about being a virtuoso on instruments, it's about songwrite a masterpiece (even if it's simple)

>>73999063
You have to be cute.

Nobody listens anymore and/or gives a shit.

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>>74006207

Right now just keep writing songs that challenge your ability and gain experience playing shows as much as you can. If you do develop a small local following, be conscious of how often you play in your hometown and recognize that you're better off playing less frequently otherwise people will lose interest in you fast. Also make friends with other bands, go out to their shows and support them, book shows together, this all goes a very long way in the attractiveness of your brand. Build a scene and keep it going. It's a HUGE boost if you start running a DIY space where you can throw your own shows and book touring bands to network with, in fact these days this is pretty much essential to growing your brand.

>>74006207
You should just listen to different music and take inspiration from various genres. We can't tell you what to like, you'll have to figure it out yourself

>>74006315
filtered

>>74006526
lmao, you filter me yet I have him the same advice that you did?
you are a special kind of retard

Okay here is a longer extract

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>>74006627
Strangely I find his advice a bit different than yours

>>74006856
sounds like a generic metal song, nothing special. not bad, but like nothing that makes me really want to listen to more. Calling it mediocre wouldn't be accurate, it's just sort of boring at best, and cliche at worst.

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>>74006856
Just combine black metal with groove metal, get a trendy name, get rid of those weird sounding pirate vocals and go full harsh vocals or full clean vocals. Learn to write songs and use your "technical ability" as a plus, not the main part. Play as many shows as you can in your city. Be sort of active on your social media. Find out who the biggest local metal band is and try to book shows with them.

>>74007692
>Learn to write songs

how ._.

>>74007982
Use a piano or keyboard to write melodies. Understand how to write more accessible tunes. Technicality is great but without memorable moments, it's not going to be a song people will be chanting or have stuck in their head. Solos should never be on every song. Listen to My Last Attack by Holy Grail for reference and nothing more.

>>74008738
>solos should never be on every song
Tell that to J Mascis. Before you get angry, I know he's a fantastic songwriter.

>>74000104
riff didnt go anywhere and the vocals are shit

>>74004793
kick out the vocalist, collaborate with someone who can write a hook.

>>73999063
Metal is for children and basement dwellers. Maturity is pagen folk rock and ambient.

Sounds like you aren't doing all that you can to promote your band. Orrrrrr you have no clue what you're doing.

If you're at a level where you have music released, regularly play out of town shows (or have at least toured at some stage) and have *some* sort of following, talk to a PR firm that regularly deals with metal bands. If you're really confident then try talking to smaller record labels, although these days it's not necessary to bother with them until you get to the size of say, Thy Art is Murder or the like. By then though you'd want someone like Nuclear Blast, UNFD, Century Media, etc. Don't bother with small dodgy record labels that are run by some dipshit who has no clue what he's doing, will just make you and your bandmates lives harder.

I know a few Aus PR companies like Collision Course are perfect for local heavy bands looking to get their name out there. Although that's just within Australia.

>>74006856
The songs not bad but the mix is pretty weak. rhythm guitars are thin, bass isn't helping the mix at all. Drums are flat. Vocalist cleans aren't great and his dirty vocals sound goofy. All in all sounds like a poormans Lamb of God at times if you want me to be a bit harsh about it.

Keep writing music, you'll only get better. Also invest in getting a DECENT mix and master. It may cost a few thousand to get someone who knows what they're doing but they're what can help draw the fineline between your song sounding like a Lamb of God demo and sounding professional. So many bands end up cheaping out and they suffer hard. I've heard some amazing local bands live (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awl_lBifKfk)
only to be sorely disappointed hearing them on record because they wasted money on an audio engineer who has no clue when it comes to heavy music.

>>73999069
fpbp

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>>74000104

>>74000665
irrelevant.
>>74004221
>well respected label.
>2017
kek
>>74005950
gettin' salty

>>74006856
edgy