Why does /mu/ always sleep on Carly so much? She's literally

poptimism is cancer btw

>Pop
>Good and groundbreaking
I'm Confused

>>73987302
As you said, no one cares

>>73987318
>>73987320
>>73987325
I bet none of you heard any of her songs outside of Call Me Maybe

>>73987393
If she is the "Reigning queen of pop" I would have by now, right?

>>73987302
>She isn't waifupop like Grimes because her music is actually good and groundbreaking.
Are you serious, bro? Her music sounds like Taylor Swift lite. There's nothing groundbreaking about her safe pop. Meanwhile, Grimes is really futuristic, innovative and out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oqxz6hpGbs

Carly is replaceable, Grimes is not. That's the difference.

>>73987646
If you don't know >5 girls EXACTLY like Grimes IRL, you should check it out sometime.

>>73987646
How has grimes innovated, exactly? I don't thinmk that Carly has btw before you call me on that.

>>73987646
This guy is correct but he's a faggot

also grimes is easily replaceable, except for on this board

Thanks for bringing her up again and ruining discussion though

>>73987646
Seriously listen to Emotion and tell me its like any other pop album

I really like Emotion.

>>73987777
Quads confirm Emotion is a great album.

>>73987687
>also grimes is easily replaceable, except for on this board
You're stupid. If there are no alternatives, she's still irreplaceable.
>Thanks for bringing her up again and ruining discussion though
You're stupid again. The OP compared her to Carly. Read it.
>>73987663
>If you don't know >5 girls EXACTLY like Grimes IRL, you should check it out sometime.
To look like her and make her kind of music? That's impossible.
>>73987682
1. Grimes did her own brand of synthpop that nobody else did it before.
2. she did everything in her art by herself: singing, songwriting, drawing the cover art, directing and editing her videos, producing, sound engineering.
3. she popularized the concept of a female producer. she wasn't the first one, but she's the first one who really pushed it to the masses. she's a role model for other females to start pursuing a career in producing.
4. her electic music taste is due the fact she's from the first generation of artists that grew up with the internet -> access to a huge quantity and variety of music. all that eclectic taste was reflected into her own wildly diverse music. her favorite artists list ranges from Mariah Carey to Arvo Paat, from Outkast to Skinny Puppy.
5. she's the only female DIY artist at her level of success. she succeeded while most DIY artist failed.

>>73987808
Jesus Christ there are like 500 versions of grimes but better on bandcamp making 'experimental pop', she is anything but irreplaceable since she has no standout talent or style

>>73987808
>Grimes did her own brand of synth pop that nobody else did before
Any band that isn't a cover band has done their own brand of [insert genre] before. Sure it's technically innovative but so what? What impact has she had?
>she did everything in her art by herself
People have done that before, not innovative
>she popularized the concept of the female producer
>she wasn't the first one
Once again, not innovative
>her eclectic music taste
All of her music is p4k-core, nothing to be proud of. Even Kurt Cobain had a more eclectic taste and he didn't even grow up with the internet
>at her level of success
Success does not mean innovation if she didn't start it

>>73987857
Jesus Christ name at least 10 of them. I'd like to be proven wrong for real (to find artists as good as her).
>she is anything but irreplaceable since she has no standout talent or style
That's just your opinion. If you would pay attention to her music you'd see why it's so special.

>>73987777
LA Hallucinations a banger

She's just boring

>>73987808
Who's Arvo Paat?

>>73987808
>Mariah Carey to Arvo Pärt, OutKast to Skinny Puppy
Jesus Christ, all of those artists are very popular and you should know about them with even an entry-level grasp of music. I didn't even need the Internet to know about that shit.

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>>73987302
She's not the reigning queen of pop because her fans post old pictures of her only.

>>73987646

jesus christ what a mess. She really needs to learn how to mix.

Her vocals are also unbearable

>>73987964
I Didn't Just Come Here to Dance, Let's Get Lost, and Gimmie Love

>>73988016
I just noted the diversity of her music taste, don't be a fucking hipster. She likes plenty of obscure stuff too. BTW I highly doubt most people have any idea about Arvo Pärt and Skinny Puppy, let's be real.

>>73988044
Fever too, haven't listened to the B-side in a while come to think of it

>>73987986
Arvo Pärt's cousin from Boston?

>>73987857
>there are like 500 versions of grimes but better on bandcamp
Dude like [citation totally needed] dude

>she has no standout talent or style
Which other artists have you mistaken her music for?

>>73988043
>pleb admitting being pleb
>not getting experimental pop

>>73988129

>experimental=good

This idea needs to die out

>>73987302
/mu/ never sleeps on Carly you smelly newfag.

They talk about emotion all the fucking time especially during its release.

Art Angels isnt anywhere close to Emotion

>>73988114
>you're a hipster if you don't praise someone for entry level taste
>I just noted the diversity of her music taste
How the fuck is that innovative? It's literally "babby's first pop", "babby's first minimalism", "babby's first electro-industrial", and "babby's first hip-hop"

>>73988129
>pleb for not liking pop music
We need elitism back

>>73988114
Arvo Part mainstream as hell to people who even care the tiniest bit about modern classical. Skinny Puppy is mainstream in general, everyone knows them.

>>73987302
Post thighs

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>>73987646
>Grimes is really futuristic, innovative and out there

Carly has done more for women and lgbt than Grimes ever did

>>73988160
>braindead RYMer detected

>>73987986
>>73988126
lol

>grimesfags keep saying her music is ahead of its time and futuristic
>listen
>sounds dated already

>>73988211
That's cuz Grimes is a musician/artist first desu.

CRJ is the only case where people focus entirely on a womans music, she must be doing something right

>>73988250
CRJ has done more for music (or at least pop music) in one album (Emotion) than Grimes ever will.

>>73988239
>sounds dated
To which decade?

>>73988289

a lot of it sounds like early/mid 2000's

I don't get the constant CRJ love on this board. She has some catchy songs. It's all generic pop. I wasn't a particularly big fan of Emotion as a whole; too much 80s-inspired pop for me, and I hate how long that trend has lasted.

>>73988225
Not an argument or true.
Funny thing is is that's grimes could get all of her taste from looking at decade-end charts and genre charts

>>73987808
LMAO, you're reaching on almost all of these points and I don't even hate Grimes. Listen to more music.

>>73988265
/thread

>>73988368
>almost all of these points
All of them

>>73987318
>>73987320
>>73987325
I think poptimism is more problematic pertaining to artists like Beyonce, Katy Perry, and Miley Cyrus, in that the music is an afterthought to silly antics. There's literally not a single track by any of those artists that you can put on at a party and not come off like a seriously creepy pedo.

POST THIGHS NOW

>>73988117
Just listening to it again.
Higher is great too.

>>73988396
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st3c4Mf5qtw

>>73988394

I can see what you mean with Katy Perry and Miley, but I have literally no idea what Beyonce song you think would make someone seem like a pedo

>Carly Rae Jepsen has revealed that she wrote 250 songs

Ur fav would NEVER

>>73988354
This, and I'll add most of this is a Micheal Jackson, Quincy Jones blatant rip off, and not very well done at that.

>>73988265
>CRJ has done more for music
What has she accomplished for music?

>>73988254
>CRJ is the only case where people focus entirely on a womans music
see
>>73988205

>>73988195
You're bullshitting.
>>73988211
How is that music related?

>>73988449
All The Single Ladies, in particular, gives me extremely creepy vibes.

>>73988265
Yeah sure. She did a copy of 1989 by Taylor Swift. Anything else?

>>73988358
>Not [...] true.
>>73988358
>from looking at decade-end charts and genre charts
Why are you lying ITT?

>>73988354
It's just a clone of 1989 by Taylor Swift.

>>73988456
>What has she accomplished for music?
Emotion is the single best album of this entire 80's pop revivalism. Not to mention it's just a great album on it's own.

What the hell has Grimes done?

>>73988486
>>73988499

Cool meme

>>73988368
(You)

>>73988503
>What the hell has Grimes done?
She did 4 amazing albums that sound like nothing else. Her music will be as well regarded as those innovative Kate Bush and Bjork albums. Mark my words.

>>73988544
Nah

>>73988544
>that sound like nothing else

grimesfags never stop parroting this. Even if it was original (it isn't), that doesn't automatically mean it's good.

>>73988503
>Emotion is the single best album of this entire 80's pop revivalism
Which other albums did it beat out?

>What the hell has Grimes done?
Released music that doesn't need to be compared to others in order to be appreciated.

>>73988544
There's one Kate Bush song that people like, and Bjork's music is already aging really funny-like.

>>73988389
Yeah I actually don't know why I included the "almost" in there.

>>73988593
>There's one Kate Bush song that people like
you shut the fuck up now

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>>73988593
>There's one Kate Bush song that people like

>>73987302
>carly
>good
>groundbreaking
literally 80s pop but worse

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>>73987302
Her music is really great and I love her! <3

>>73988474
but thats a typical party song tho

>>73988564
>>73988544
Just listened to two of her albums. They sound like every pop album in their respective years

Not Original.

>>73987302
/mu/ doesn't sleep on her

the fact she's had a second career after what should have been a one-hit wonder is all thanks to internet hype

>>73988564
>that doesn't automatically mean it's good.
Good is subjective, being original is not.

>>73988753
>Just listened to two of her albums. They sound like every pop album in their respective years
Really? Like which albums? Post actual names.

>>73988564
>Even if it was original (it isn't)
Well, prove that.

E MO TION
and B-sides was great, I think its gonna be impossible to get vampire weekend, haim, and blood orange to make a collab album again though

>>73988934
Art Angels and Visions
Both are pretty insufferable to listen to, if we're being honest

>>73989000
Stop it. He's doing a thing to you.

>>73989000
I meant which other albums sound like Art Angels and Visions. Post album names.

>>73988488
I don't have an RYM account, that doesn't mean that I don't know what RYMcore is, you nonce

>>73988516
what part of his post was bait?

BOY PROBLEMS

>grimesfags stop replying after they get BTFO

>>73989974
WHO'S GOT EM?

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>>73990369
ayy, i hate grimesfags more than i hate being alive.

>>73990369
>grimesfags
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>73991392
they're still here
>offended by 4chan memes on 4chan
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>73991470
>expecting to be taken seriously
Why would anyone in their right mind expect (much less WANT) to be taken seriously on 4chan? I think your delusional dependence on this palce is showing desu. If you aren't having fun here then you clearly aren't doing it right.

>>73991964
>Why would anyone in their right mind expect (much less WANT) to be taken seriously on 4chan?
I don't know, which is why I found it weird that you made that autistic point >>73991392

>>73987302
she looks like this camgirl i like to masturbate to

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>>73987302
>Why does /mu/ always sleep on Carly so much?
Dear god, how fucking new can someone be?

>>73992017
>which is why I found it weird that you made
Different anon, anon. Why are you automatically assuming that there's only one other anon ITT willing to respond to you desu?

>>73992071
>Why are you automatically assuming that there's only one other anon ITT
I'm not, I assumed it since both me and the other anon made the exact same post (although I made mine as a parody of his) and you only responded to me, even though most normal people on here would respond to two people if they made the same post within a post of each other

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She has some beautiful pits, I'll give you that

>>73992140
>and you only responded to me, even though most normal people on here
See there's your problem. You think the sort of basement dwelling spergs who've been on this hellhole of a website for so long that they don't even question the retarded shit that gets by the mods/janitors day-in day-out here are normal. You need to get a real life desu. This place is clearly eating at your brain.

>>73992306
Is this bait? You didn't respond to a single part of my post, you instead just made a story about the people who post here that you don't like,

>>73992341
>Is this bait?
Only to someone as profoundly lacking in self-awareness as you desu.

>>73993093
>you questioned my unrelated tangent so you're just not self aware

>>73993126
Why are you parenthetically talking to yourself?

>>73993245
Because I enjoy it, I suppose

>>73987302
>Reigning queen of pop

I like her but that's just plain wrong, most people have completely forgotten about her

>>73993255
Lol why am I not surprised⸮


* It's a rhetorical question mark, because it's a rhetorical question. Don't answer it unless you want to publicly humiliate yourself further.

>>73993315
Are you implying that I didn't fully know that his question was rhetorical?

>>73993336
wait nevermind wrong thread

>>73993315
What did he mean by this?

>>73987302
her > grimes

>>73987302
Honest, unironic explanation for why it is CRJ's music chronically gets slept on by people (not specifically on /mu. In the wider world of music listeners in general.)

It has no audience. Emotion is an extremely well-crafted straightforward album of bubblegum pop music. The problem is that most people who unironically like pop music don't care how well it is made just so long as the artist's name sounds trendy and they can dance to it. Similarly, people with more complex musical tastes who like things like healthy doses of subversiveness in their pop music are gonna go for something more off-the-wall like Grimes' Art Angels.

Hence why Emotion under-performed in sales when it was first released.

>>73993792
>we listen to slightly weirder pop than you so we're much better
at least crj fans are real about the fact that it's just pop music. just because grimes produces her pop music poorly, uses unusual synthfonts and puts lots of delay on her voice doesn't mean it's somehow better. at the end of the day it's still generic pop music. if you're going to listen to pop then listen to pop and quit being so elitist about it.

if you want to listen to experimental music then listen grow a pair and listen to some actual experimental music.

>>73993792
People with more complex music tastes (unless you mean people with barely more complex tastes) would probably listen to something far more complex or off-the-wall than something comparatively radio-oriented like Art Angels. Those people you describe who desire subversiveness are people that I don't imagine listen to pop music in the first place.

>>73993792
The reason why grimes gets posted more is because she has 3 or 4 lunatic fans here who post and bump threads about her all day, every day. It has nothing to do with the quality of her music.

>>73994231
>>73994257
>>we listen to slightly weirder pop than you so we're much better
Lol you people totally misread me.
normal =/= bad
This isn't about whose tastes are better or worse. This is about tastes being DIFFERENT. If I unironically liked pop music (which I don't) I would LOVE Emotion and respect Art Angels since it is very well-made. As it stands I respect Emotion because it is very well made and LOVE Art Angels because it has songs like Scream on it.

>>73994291
>t r i g g e r e d

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>>73987302
>pop
>queen of /μ/
choose one

>Side note: Yes I realize Bork has done pop. It is not all she does, though.

>>73994257
>>73994915
Also,
simple =/= bad
Complex things are useless unless you can first appreciate the simpler things upon which they are built.

How new are you? /mu/ was all over Emotion.

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>>73988177
Got you covered bro

>>73987393
>I bet none of you heard any of her songs outside of Call Me Maybe
Implying any self aware and self respecting artist would make such a song.

>>73987646
>Synth pop, Dance pop
>futuristic, innovative and out there
This board is truly beyond salvation.

>>73994231
>at the end of the day it's still generic pop music.
BULLSHIT. What other albums sound like Art Angels?

>>73996964
This is inevitable. If an album isn't the exact copy of Art Angels or any other number of Grimes' albums, she's creating music out of the ether and is a true innovator. Again:
>>73996876

>>73997001
I don't an exact copy but at least decently similar. Or at very least with a similar voice. So?

>>73996876
>>Synth pop, Dance pop
>>futuristic, innovative and out there
>This board is truly beyond salvation.
Wrong. Here's an example to btfo your stupid point: Kraftwerk. Proof that synthpop could be futuristic, innovative and out there. Grimes is on the same line.

>>73997162
Have you ever heard of synth pop and dance pop?
https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&genres=Synthpop&include_child_genres=t&include=both&limit=none&countries=
https://rateyourmusic.com/customchart?page=1&chart_type=top&type=album&year=alltime&genre_include=1&genres=Dance-Pop&include_child_genres=t&include=both&limit=none&countries=

>>73997171
Wow, one single band. And let's also not forget their krautrock roots.

>>73997180
Just an example. Want more? Here they are: The Knife, New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Yazoo, Art of Noise, Goldfrapp, Depeche Mode, John Foxx, Heaven 17, Ladytron, Fever Ray, OMD, Eurythmics, Talk Talk, Visage, Crystal Castles, iamamiwhoami and others.

>>73997229
>>73997229
All art music right there, especially New Order, Ladytron and Pet Shop Boys. Please stop over romanticizing your favorite bands and be honest.
>>73994231

>>73988474
there are tons of other popular and better Beyonce songs than single ladies lmao

>>73987808
This kind of shit is why I need to get off this shit board.

Look, I guess it's a matter of taste, but neither of them sound very good. I mean, Grimes is out there, sure, but that doesn't necessarily make it good.

It seems to me that a lot of you are desperate to find a good pop artist where there really aren't any.

>>73998453
>I mean, Grimes is out there, sure, but that doesn't necessarily make it good.
That alone doesn't make her good, true. But combined with her great songwriting, production and even voice, that makes her good. She has many great songs; this is what really matters.

>>73988394
Carly is the exact fucking same

>>73994915
>This isn't about whose tastes are better or worse
Neither was mine. The people that you describe, (those with so-called "complex" music tastes) are not the people listening to Art Angels. Art Angels (and I will admit that her early albums are more fitting for complex tastes, even though they're still pop music) is more of a "look at me I listen to experimental music" for normies who don't have the strength of will to listen to actually experimental music.

tl;dr: people with actually complex taste don't listen to Grimes

>>73998926
Define "actually experimental music". And how can you tell if someone has "actually complex taste"?

>>73999025
>Define "actually experimental music"
Music that is experimental, I was more trying to say experimental music that isn't as poppy as Grimes is
>and how can you tell if someone has "actually complex taste"
If they listen to music that would generally be considered difficult to absorb, like art music

carly is so much hotter than grimes but in that literally unattainable stacy way
whereas with grimes you can fantasize about being the only boy she talks to and being each others everything

>>73998926
>tl;dr: people with actually complex taste don't listen to Grimes
Absolutely false. You have to have a complex taste to really get all those other influences from her music. This is not music for simpletons.
BTW, define complex taste.

>>73999117
It legitimately is music for simpletons, at least Art Angels is. It's pop music. See >>73999059 and then YOU define how you have to have complex tastes to like commercial pop like Art Angels

>>73999059
But her music is half experimental/half pop. If she was 100% experimental she wouldn't have even 1/10 of her current fanbase. Most experimental music is offputting. You have to ask yourself, what is the purpose of music? Just a contest of who's more unlistenable and technically complex?

>>73999143
>It legitimately is music for simpletons, at least Art Angels is.
It's absolutely not. Most pop fans wouldn't get experimental songs like Scream, Life in the Vivid Dream, Venus Fly or even bangers like Kill V. Maim. The latter song for instance is too aggressive and too shouty for the masses. Ordinary people dig songs like Call Me Maybe not Kill V. Maim.
>commercial pop like Art Angels
What is commercial about AA? Is there even one album like AA on the commercial charts? You're just confusing catchiness with commercial pop. It's her genius in action to be able to make such diverse and wild songs to sound catchy. You should realize that AA is an indie album made by an indie artist at her home. This album just happened to be pop.

And speaking off AA: Taylor Swift's latest album sold at least 80x more units than AA and Grimes' singles barely charted. How is that commercial pop?

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>>73999152
>Most experimental music is offputting
Exactly my point. To combat this, people who want to be able to pretend that they can handle that offputting music listen to experimental/pop hybrids like Grimes
>Just a contest
Please reread my post

>>73999214
>Most pop fans wouldn't get experimental songs like Scream
If you think that the industrialness in Scream is too much, then you're just stupid. Nine Inch Nails and other industrial bands have charted multiple times before with just as heavy of a song
>Life in the Vivid Dream
Very accessible, guitar line would be very appealing to normies
>Venus Fly
Not any more difficult than any pop song with electronic aspects
>Kill V. Maim
>too aggressive and too shouty
You are VASTLY underrating most normie's tastes
>What is commercial about AA?
The fact that it charted
>Is there even one album like AA on the commercial charts?
Both AA and Visions

I advise you to do your research before posting

>>73999299
>To combat this, people who want to be able to pretend that they can handle that offputting music listen to experimental/pop hybrids like Grimes
I wouldn't blame them for that. They actually get the best of both worlds. Listening to music should be entertaining, not a chore. Pure experimental music is anything but enjoyable.

>>73999299
>Nine Inch Nails and other industrial bands have charted multiple times before with just as heavy of a song
Hold on a second: I doubt the ordinary pop fan bought their singles (we're talking about pop music here). Nine Inch Nails and other industrial bands sold mostly to industrial fans who were numerous enough to put their music in the charts. And let's be real, those NIN/industrial songs that charted were sung in English, not in Taiwanese and they didn't have that many real screams.
>You are VASTLY underrating most normie's tastes
How do you know that? Are you a normie?
>The fact that it charted
By that logic all albums that charted (even those really obtuse) are commercial pop. And that's not true.
>Is there even one album like AA on the commercial charts?
>Both AA and Visions
I asked for similar albums to AA on the commercial charts. If you think they're commercial it should be easy to find similar albums.

>>73987302
Didn't PC Music guys produce Emotion? Maybe that's why she seems "innovative", those memesters are p.good.

>>73992033
Who?

>>73999590
No

>>73999059
>Music that is experimental,
You can't define something with a word that is part of it. What is "actually experimental music"?

>generally be considered difficult to absorb
Generally considered by whom?

>art music
Is a redundancy.

>>73999521
Nine Inch Nails is, for all intensive purposes, industrial pop. Have you heard Pretty Hate Machine by any chance? And if you think that the language matters, then you're ignoring the multiple foreign language songs that have charted before. The screams don't matter either, that's actually the perfect thing that normies would want to sing along to, it's a good gimmick.
>All albums that charted are commercial pop
Never said that, but all pop albums that clearly have a slant towards being as catchy as possible and charted are commercial pop
>I asked for similar albums to AA on the charts
Art Angels. Also every other synth pop or dance-pop album to hit the charts bears resemblance

>>73999441
>I wouldn't blame them for that
Neither would I, but they barely have experimental tastes

>>73999143
>It's pop music.
Most every major classical composers' music was classifiable as "pop music" in it's time (e.g. Mozart, Beethoven, Shostakovitch.) Something being classifiable as "pop music" doesn't mean anything by itself in terms of indicating quality OR complexity.

>>73999955
>what is actually experimental music
Experimental music is a general label for any music that pushes existing boundaries and genre definition

>Generally considered by whom
Music listeners. Are you telling me that any of them would consider any music but experimental music "difficult" to listen to?
>Is a redundancy
No it is not. You're misinterpreting the meaning of the term.
"Music composed with advanced structural and theoretical considerations, as opposed to folk music and pop music."

>>74000030
Luckily I never indicated the quality or complexity of Grimes, I was indicating the accessibility

>>73999299
>able to pretend
Why do you assume that people who have different tastes in music than you are simply pretending to "like" things?

>If you think that the industrialness in Scream is too much
>think
For run-of-the-mill pop audiences? Hell yes.

>Nine Inch Nails and other industrial bands have charted multiple times
Making popular industrial music. NOT making "pop music".

>You are VASTLY underrating most normie's tastes
Says the person unironically using meme terms like "normie".

>Both AA and Visions
That's another tautology, anon.

>>74000183
>pretend
If you actually had reading comprehension, you would know that I wasn't saying that people pretend to like Grimes, I was saying that people can pretend to be hugely into experimental music by listening to experimental pop
>for run-of-the-mill pop audiences? Yes
Then you're wrong. That song is incredibly accessible
>not pop music
Industrial pop, yes
>the meme term "normie"
It still has a meaning, good argument bud
>that's another tautology
Art Angels was a charting album. That anon denied that. Please learn to read

>>74000025
>Nine Inch Nails is, for all intensive purposes, industrial pop.
To whom?

>The screams don't matter either,
>song's title is "Scream"
Are you dumb?

> the perfect thing that normies would want to sing along to
How does one sing along to screams, anon?

>all pop albums that clearly have a slant towards being as catchy as possible
Are made by smart, successful musicians.

>Art Angels.
That's also a tautology.

>every other synth pop or dance-pop album to hit the charts bears resemblance
To an album with a song like Scream on it? What planet do you live on?

>experimental tastes
Whose music is "experimental" in your opinion and why?

>>74000089
>Experimental music is a general label for any music that pushes existing boundaries and genre definition
So then Grimes album Art Angels is contemporary experimental pop?

>>73987808
>she's the only female DIY artist at her level of success. she succeeded while most DIY artist failed.
Have you literally never heard of Lights?

>>74000089
>Music listeners.
Which music listeners?

>>73999590
No, but it was the same producers who did 1989

>>74000304
>To whom
Their music is accessible and catchy and also has the characteristics necessary to be industrial
>Are you dumb?
Are you sure you read my post? I meant that the screams don't make it any less accessible
>How does one sing along
*Scream along, my bad
>are made by smart, successful musicians
Ok... so what?
>To an album with a song like scream on it?
>one song on an album that's nothing like any other of the tracks measures how it sounds
>what music is experimental in your opinion and why?
Merzbow: At the time he was pushing the level of harshness in music
Ornette Coleman and Lennie Tristano: Pushed the boundaries of jazz
Swans: repetitive and pounding instrumentals paired with disgusting imagery was certainly engaging and boundary-pushing for the time

>>74000089
>"Music composed with advanced structural and theoretical considerations, as opposed to folk music and pop music."
Sonic complexity and social function (what calling something "folk" or "pop" actually means) are NOT mutually exclusive traits in music. Great (smart) musicians have been pointing this out for hundreds of years.

>>74000329
>contemporary experimental pop
Sure

>>74000343
>Which music listeners
Uh, for an example, RYMers. They certainly would define it the same way. I don't understand your point. Honestly, some people view different music as more difficult than others, it is all subjective. But I can assure you that the general opinion on what music is more difficult than others is the same

>>74000156
>I was indicating the accessibility
To which specific people? Whose specific musical taste are you making gross generalizations about ITT?

>>74000477
>To which specific people?
If she made it to the top 200 and if many of her singles also charted, then she clearly has high accessibility.

>>74000434
then why can't it be a fusion of art music and those other two descriptors

Guaranteed there's at least one person out there who thinks Kiss is the peak of Carly's career, and Emotion is a shallow, soulless gesture to win over the Pitchfork crowd and project a "mature" image that nobody wanted from her.

It's not me, though.

Can we get back to talking about carly bae and her qt bangs pls?

>>74000639

Can we talk about why she can't market her own shit properly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD4kkeJv34o

>>74000262
>people can pretend to be hugely into experimental music by listening to experimental pop
A person who listens exclusively to the experimental section of the "pop" genre has much more experimental taste than a person who listens exclusively to the popular section of the "experimental". Because experimentality is a contextual distinction.

>That song is incredibly accessible
Then why do communities of typical pop music listeners/lovers like the following NOT like it? (hint: read the commentaries for the answer):
http://gagadaily.com/forums/topic/234315-grimes-art-angels-megarate-results/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-9347902
http://forum.popjustice.com/threads/yeah-yeah-uh-huh-ooh-yeah-the-alt-pop-girls-rate-winner.62094/page-45#post-5060528
This is why I keep needling you about whose taste you are assuming things about ITT. Without concrete examples to back up your claims, your points mean absolutely nothing.

>Industrial pop,
What is "industrial pop"?

>It still has a meaning
Only to people who mistakenly think that sonic complexity and social function are mutually exclusive traits in art.

>Art Angels was a charting album.
You can't cite two examples of music from a single artist as being examples of multiple artists making similar music.

>>74000658
I wonder how many more bangers cut from Emotion are sitting on a HDD somewhere

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>>74000812

>>74000333
>Lights
>diy
Lights is pretty cool - don't get me wrong. But she's signed to Warner Brothers, her songs are co-written and co-produced by Katy Perry veteran songwriter Drew Pearson and Sony producer-at-large Thomas "Tawgs" Salter.

She's a good example of someone who is actively involved in the creation of her music - not a diy artist.

>>74000413
>Their music is accessible and catchy
To whom?

> I meant that the screams don't make it any less accessible
To whom? (see the external links in >>74000812 )

>Scream along
How many people do you know who go around literally screaming (rather than attempting to sing and failing) along to music?

>Ok... so what?
Are you purposefully implying that "actually experimental" artists can't also be smart people? Or was that accidental?

>one song on an album that's nothing like any other of the tracks measures how it sounds
Every song on an album is a measure of how that album sounds. In any case, what about the screams in the song Butterfly? Or Kill V. Maim?

>Merzbow
>Ornette Coleman and Lennie Tristano
>Swans
So music that does unusual things in comparison to most other music generally like it?* In Which case, Art Angels is also experimental.

* see >>74000812 regarding experimentality being a contextual concept.

>>74000460
>RYMers.
Since when are RYMers' opinions indicative of the general public's musical tastes?

>>74000989
Did not actually know this, assumed she did everything solo like Adam Young.

>>74000573
>she clearly has high accessibility.
To whom?

>>74000573
>then why can't it be a fusion of art music and those other two descriptors
It CAN. And in the case of really good aka CLASSIC music ALWAYS is. Hence why segregating them from each other makes absolutely no sense. All music is art. Some good examples of music fulfill a listener's need for sonic complexity. Some other good examples of music fulfill a listener's need for social function. ALL great music does both at the same time.

>>74001250
Yeah. Neither did I until your mentioning of her ITT motivated me to look her up for good measure. That's what I found.

>>74000639
>stop actually talking about music on /mu
Top kek.

>>73987302
Grimes is much better you fucking pleb

>>74001495
Be nice anon.

>>74001528
be nice to grimes first

>>74001577
You're talking to the author of this >>74001194

Quit acting like a sperg. Your behavior ITTs of late has been downright embarrassing.

>>73987302
/mu/ is the easiest board to b8 holy shit