Why is it that every time more punk oriented extreme bands fuse

>>73842820
no one considers powerviolence to be metal. you can keep that nu male shit

>>73842820
>hardcore
if you mean post-hardcore, NO metalhead wants to be associated with these cunts

>>73842825
Metal would still be a bunch of perm having, makeup wearing, no-nuts bitch singing, shiny leather tight pants owning sissy shit if punk bands didn't decide to start fusing it.

>>73842836
>doesn't know what hc punk or nyhc is
typical

Nails and full of hell are total shit and nothing to do with metal.

But why you trying to say Carnivore, SOD, Cryptic Slaughter and Power Trip ain't metal

>>73842844
Carnivore and PT are the only bands you listed that are more metal than hardcore.

>>73842843
shut up cunt

>>73842856
For sure lose my number and unfollow my instagram, my man.

metal fans don't just up and claim those genres. I feel like metal fusions end up being treated with a one-drop rule. since metal is so much more distinctive, abrasive, and culturally boxed up, anything with metal influence is more naturally associated with metal as an umbrella (and therefore slightly or very outside the mainstream) than with whatever other genre

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>>73842820
Guess I'm not a mealfag then.
I know what your issue is though. You can't deal with the fact that you like some metal because you built your taste around internet memes and metal is the fat neckbeard fedora virgin genre.

>>73842877
>distinctive
>abrasive
It was inseparable from late 70's/early 80's rock before jacking punk sounds.

It's literally because major labels were signing more socially acceptable Metal bands over the more underground punk bands of the time that certain things became associated with metal, such as d-beats.

>>73842890
Except I like black meal more than most other genres, I'm not biased. Stop playing armchair psychologist you faggot frogposter.

>>73842944
Punk is crap.

>>73842961
I told you not to reblog me ever again you creep.

>>73842982
What are you going to do about it teenbro?

>>73842994
Contact the ADL.

>>73842844
Shitty metalcore like Power Trip doesn't belong there.

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>>73843012
>metalcore
>power trip

But metalfags absolutely despite metalcore.

>>73843147
>>73843012
No one mentioned metalcore, fags.

Why is modern beatdown hardcore so much better than metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrpJsyYpuJU

>>73843233
>No one mentioned metalcore, fags.
>OP literally asked why metalfags claim fusion genres as their own

>>73843021
Power Trip sounds more like Hatebreed than crossover.
>>73843233
Someone mentioned Power Trip.

>>73843255
And listed genres they claim as their own. The irony is Metalcore is overy melodic and has more in common with melodic death metal than any punk sub, but since it has such a shitty demographic associated with it metalfags pick and choose.

Sad!

>>73842944
Wrong

>>73843270
>Power Trip sounds more like Hatebreed than crossover.
Why are metalfags so fucking braindead

https://youtu.be/p_rirNgqrG4?t=49s

>>73843282
What's wrong about it?

Are you implying extreme metal didn't come from d-beat, thrash punk and proto-grindcore being fused with butt rock tier garbage like judas priest and early venom?

>>73843283
I only listened to their latest album which was tough guy metalcore chugging bullshit almost the whole time.
>>73843311
>butt rock tier garbage like judas priest and early venom?
WEW

FoH and Nails used to be on the hardcore side, but both bands are full on metal now.
Don't reply to this with >b-b-b-b-ut they're powerviolence!
they're not

>>73843311
The fact you think 70's 80's metal sounded like rock music is wrong, you'd know this if you actually fuckin listened to the music you punk faggot

Also punk is a shit genre for shit people with shit for brains

>>73843371
Oh for sure 100%, NWOBHM doesn't just sound like generic radio rock with slightly faster riffs. I'e probably listened to and become bored of more heavy metal in the last decade than you've listened to in your entire bum life.

>>73843362
Literally grindcore bands with black metal influence.

You still won't accept horseshit like northlane as metal though, even though musically they're almost identical to At the Gates and latter prog Edge of Sanity

>>73842851
Cryptic Slaughter is pretty meal
>>73842961
only good post itt desu

>>73843371
>thinks people are part of a subculture if they listen to certain music
this is your brain on metal. cliquey high school tier shit.

>>73843344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQK4gnmDtQ

You mean this album, buddy?

>>73843444
Is the word "almost" not a part of your vocabulary?

>>73843416
Sure bud, keep believing your own shit punkfag, rock has clear roots in jazz and blues, metal is more rooted in classical, you can hear this very clearly with Iron Maiden, if you had actually heard a Maiden record you'd notice that the music goes up and down the scales rather than sweeping chords that rock musicians generally use, that's just one example

>>73843436
Do you ever see any normal human beings at a punk concert/listening to punk?

I thought not

>>73843429
>Cryptic Slaughter is pretty meal
Guess how I know you've heard fuckall hc punk?

>>73843469
didn't know HC punk had blast beats and actual riffs instead of chord wankery you fucking homo

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>>73843468
>heavy metal has more in common with classical than rock
Holy fuck the absolute state of metalfag delusion. Maybe if we're talking about Yngwie.

>>73843488
>didn't know HC punk had blast beats and actual riffs
just proved my point. It had blast beats before metal did.

Proudly ignorant people should be lynched.

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>>73843503
still didn't refute the riffs part lol
rec me some blasty hc tho anon pls
>>heavy metal has more in common with classical than rock
>mfw

>>73843503
You're the delusional one here mate, deaf too from the sounds of it

>>73843514
MK-ULTRA are decent, I forgive their insufferable left wing shit for being a band that existed before the (((CURRENT YEAR)))

>>73843468
>metal is more rooted in classical
This is the dumbest stereotype about metal. It's even worse than "it's all just screaming and chaos". Really shows how much you know about classical music.
Keep yourself safe my friend.

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>>73842843
>Metal would still be a bunch of perm having, makeup wearing, no-nuts bitch singing, shiny leather tight pants owning sissy shit if punk bands didn't decide to start fusing it.
Say what you want about them, but those people got mad pussy back in the day.

>nu-male: the thread

>>73843604
This post shows how much you really know about music in general, listen to some metal such as classic Iron Maiden, Burzum, Mayhem and some of the other metal bands out there, you will notice patterns in the music that are more like a classical piece than a blues song.

It's not even a stereotype, it's called comparison, saying "metal is just screaming" is a stereotype you fucking mong

>>73843650
Meanwhile Sabbath inspired shit like heavy/doom/sludge/etc etc are blues oriented.

And Burzum is written like a standard blues rock song; so is Iron Maiden.

>>73843678
>Burzum is written like a standard blues rock song
is it even possible to be more wrong

>>73843650
>you will notice patterns in the music that are more like a classical piece than a blues song
>burzum and mayhem
>doesn't even have beyond surface knowledge of metal to namedrop bm bands that actually are heavily classical influenced
Metal does not have more in common with classical than it does with rock and blues. Please shut up and hand in your metal card.

>>73843678
Really? This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4bgXH3sJ2Q sounds like blues to you? How about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-gBds6v6Ak and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmDL_PzvdY

I dunno what to fuckin think of you mate, either you're deaf or smoking some hardcore shit

>>73843714
Sounds more like blues than classical you fucking moron.

>>73843717
t.deaf crack smoker

>>73843708
>>73843714
This is why people laugh at metalfags; you ramp up the distortion and add a solo and then suddenly you forget it's verse chorus verse bridge/etc etc and it's a blues rock song in minor.

And I say this as someone who is heavily into the genre.

>>73843728
Sure, Ghost is definitely metal kid, have fun at the A7X show champ

>>73843740
t.deaf crack smoker

>>73843762
t.Ghost and A7X fan

>>73843740
>Name one of the bluesiest metal bands of the modern era
>As evidence they're not blues rock oriented
They even cover Beatles songs with little shift in tone.

You're functionally mentally retarded. You couldn't have picked a worse example.

>>73843775
What, Ghost and A7X? I was naming them as a joke mate, they're not even metal.

>>73843488
Where do you think the lightning fast riffs and blast beats in Cryptic Slaughters early shit came from dude?

Hint: it wasn't fucking anthrax

>>73843769
t.deaf crack smoker

>>73843728
>burzum
>verse chorus verse bridge/etc etc
Have you even listened to Burzum before

>>73843794
t.Ghost and A7X

>>73843784
>Ghost isn't metal

Ghost wouldn't be out of place as a 70s heavy metal band.

>>73843796
Yes, people overrate Burzum's progressive songs because of Filosofem.

>>73843807
t.deaf ghost that smokes A7X

>>73843816
t.smokes Ghost deaf A7X that

>>73843815
Led Zeppelin was considered metal at one stage despite clearly not being one, what's your point

>>73843829
My point is that distortion and solos does not a metal band make.

>>73843829
>Led Zeppelin was considered metal at one stage despite clearly not being one, what's your point
no they weren't

>>73843850
No shit, it's the way the music itself is structured and partially themes that make a metal band.

>>73843863
They actually were

>>73843869
Prove they were.

>>73843869
Yeah, and metal is not classically inspired (generally); it's harder hard rock that wanks the guitar a little more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKS1WTM6fzg

>>73843875
> it's harder hard rock that wanks the guitar a little more.
yeah that definitely describes death and black metal accurately.

>>73842820
OP who's this chick

>>73842836

"post-hardcore" isn't the same as post-hardcore

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>>73843875
Stuff like Sabbath (just a bit though) and some of the older stuff that used to be considered metal like Led Zeppelin sure, they had some blues influence, bands that are actually metal or aren't from the extremely early days of metal have composed music that is more similar to classical

>>73843872
This good enough?

>>73843930
https://www.youtube.com/c/thewhiterose

>>73843944
>Refused
>not identical to escape the fate

>>73843924
More minor keys; more guitar wanks, palm muted riffs and some blast beats.

Where have we veered off into classical?

>>73843863
They were
Source: My daddy

>>73843969
I'm not the classical fag, but saying extreme metal is hard rock is equally retarded.

>>73843969
If anything, that implies it veered into extreme punk territory.

Give me 5 reasons bands like Batushka aren't considered powerviolence/grindcore over metal.

>>73843946
Christ that's a terrible hairstyle

>>73842820
I don't think anybody considers hardcore or powerviolence to be metal genres. Grind is borderline and varies on a case by case basis but a lot of it is basically death metal with a side of hardcore, esp. the early stuff.

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>>73844068
Grindcore existed before death metal.

>>73844119
By like 3 years at most.
Doesn't mean that the riffs aren't basically death metal riffs or that grindcore borrowed hugely from death metal once death metal became a thing.

>>73844152
They're literally not death metal riffs. Prove they are without using metal/grind fusion bands like Anaal Nathrakh or Nails for your example

>>73844119
>>73844152
Death meal and grindcore basically bastardized pre-existing thrash riffs in exactly the same way, at (almost) the exact same time.

>>73844195
literally death meal played by hardcore kids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CeHfz54LF8

Holy shit this thread, none of you idiots know anything about music, especially metal.

>>73844195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd3HTU2a2mA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mfvSSl9L9M

>>73843930
a camwhore

>>73844152
Grindcore existed in the 80s about the same time as post-punk emerged, you functional retard. It predates Death (which wasn't even a death metal band) by quite a bit.

>>73843977
It is though. Metal is literally rock music with more distortion and heavier emphasis on riffs.

>>73844119
Don't they both date back to 85/86?

>>73844218
>posts deathgrind band
>>73844243
>posts deathgrind and an osdm band
good job

>>73844256
Drum patterns are the biggest difference between rock and metal

>>73843930
some alt-right Youtube thot

>>73844248
Possessed and Death both formed in '83
I stand by my 3 years at most

>>73844256
yeah totally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnc8uKJt-vs
>>73844278
How about riffing style and song structure

>>73844278
If drum patterns are so important to you, then thrash, death, black and speed meal are now punk subgenres in your mind.

wew

>>73844271
I know Morbid Angel is OSDM. Compare the two you idiot. Morbid Angel is Terrorizer minus the hardcore influence.

>>73844278
>it has blast beats therefore it's metal
No, not necessarily. Metal is broader than that.

>>73844298
>Prove they are without using metal/grind fusion bands
Get an mri scan

>>73844312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l3X3MgLZa0

>>73844328
Harmony Corruption is when ND were in Death Metal mode, though. Scum was their only true gc album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrpJsyYpuJU

I bet you think vid above is metal

>>73844335
>I bet you think vid above is metal
first 10 seconds could be ripped straight from an Arghoslent song but other than that no

>>73844364
Riff remains the same for a bit after, hope you don't think guitar solos are a strictly metal thing lad.

>>73844394
>Riff remains the same for a bit after
Yes. That riff could be ripped straight from an Arghoslent song

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>>73844406
>ripped
It's actually a pretty classic punk chord hook, hope you don't think guitar solos and rapid palm muting is a metal thing lad.

>the d-beat in literally any thrash metal track could be ripped straight from a discharge song

>>73844434
Don't be obtuse. I provided an example of something similar from a context that is unarguably metal (albeit shitty, boring metal). I'm not arguing that arghoslent or metal in general invented or exclusively use either of those techniques.

>>73844478
You provided a video from a former grindcore band in their death metal era, yes.

>>73843786
yeah, but it's still metal
it's in the name
CROSSOVER thrash (metal)
hint: lets stop arguing because who really gives a shit about labels

>>73844434
most thrash doesn't use d-beats, skank =/= d-beat
wish they did tho dbeats soudn awesome

>>73844562
But thrashcore and thrash punk was also the (punk subgenre) term for early D.R.I. and various hxc bands. Thrash metal as a term literally has origins in the fusion of speed/nwobhm and thrash punk/hardcore

>>73844495
Do you think that I'm trying to argue that all grind sounds like Harmony Corruption or something? My original point was literally that grindcore which is basically death metal exists in answer to OPs why do people think grindcore is metal question.

>>73844562
>who really gives a shit about labels
people who find categorization useful?

>>73842820
i'm not really sure 'metal' (whoever or whatever that is) claims any of those bands. contrary to stereotypical portrayals of metalheads, there are some pretty musically diverse tastes among it's adherents. powerviolence and grind bands seems like a natural stylistic bleeding for fans and creators of both styles

>>73842944
>certain things became associated with metal, such as d-beats.
uwotm8
dbeat is synonymous with a certain style of punk
>jacking punk sounds.
i'm not sure what you're talking about here. the two genres seem to exist exactly because there was a departure in styles forking away from rock.

>>73844298
Terrorizer is Morbid Angel minus the metal influence

i'm surprised that so many people here are making comparisons of grind to death. apart from the production values, they really are separate beasts. their intensity and dense overbearing aesthetic is their only link; they're musically different

this thread is one example of why caring about genres is pointless