/classical/

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peLh1EjbN6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjeGKHJCimQ

It's only the most essential recording of Mozart's Piano Concerto No. 24.

who is your favorite composer, and why?

>>73784657
petzold

>middle stave in the 2nd movement of Schumann's Humoreske is unplayed
>it's not even hidden under the fluff in the 16th notes
Is there a reason for this? How fascinating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56rapuxD6vc

>>73786016
he is playing it.

>>73786659
hes doubling it at the octave as an echo but he's not playing the notes in the staff itself

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>>73784657
Brahms because he's daddy.

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>>73784657
Mahler, or Feldman.

Mahler for any good mood; and Feldman for anything pale.

They are the only two I continually go back to. Also Bach, but Bach's Bach.

>>73783579
Brahms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kp38BUjPNI

>>73786888
sometimes its very faint but sometimes you can hear it. in any case theres a lot of recordings with the whole line as a primary voice

>>73787110
examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJ8atkdIIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBsTE05Njtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjTg959j1Y

20th Century wind primary focused pieces made before 1990?

>>73787235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEcSQ8BTlPQ

>>73783170
I wonder (((who))) could be behind this post...

>>73783170
>honouring jews
heh

>>73783170
>jews
Oh boy, here we go again

>>73787782
Again?

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>>73783170

we shouldn't forget this jew who caused Wagner to become an absolute madman without even noticing

>>73787798
Last thread a group of /pol/ sitposted for muh jews musician muh perverted culture...

>>73787819
God bless them.

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>jews ruin the only good thread format on /mu/ with their megalomania again

>>73786016
I'm fairly certain Rosen wrote about this piece in The Romantic Generation, but I can't remember what he actually said.

>>73787235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klQY_X1clMs

What are some good waltzes?

Also fuck jews

>this thread
Further proof that Schoenberg is underrated.

>>73783170
The best pianists are all Jews.

>>73790337
Beethoven don't

>Signum are proud to present the debut recording from the Chineke! Orchestra, in a new live orchestral recording from The Royal Festival Hall, London. Drawn from exceptional musicians from across the continent, the orchestra is part of the Chineke! Foundation – a non-profit organisation that provides career opportunities to young Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) classical musicians in the UK and Europe. Their motto is ‘Championing Change and Celebrating Diversity in Classical Music.The orchestra is the brainchild of Chi-chi Nwanoku MBE, FRAM, who describes the project’s aim as being “... to create a space where BME musicians can walk on stage and know that they belong, in every sense of the word."

I guess if you can't sell a record on the basis of its own interpretive or virtuosic merits, might as well sell it on diversity. They should have done something other than the 800th recording of the New World, though. Retards.

>>73791779
These days you can't sell records based on "interpretive or virtuosic merits". The amount of people that think classical had its heyday 100 years ago is matched only by the amount of people who think classical performance had its heyday 50 years ago. For them, modern performances are only ok but can't match dusty old mono recording #1.

Gimmicky orchestra performing gimmicky modern work isn't going to sell enough to pay for the plastic in the CD so they might as well churn out a warhorse to sell to completists that won't listen to it much anyway.

>>73791907
>50 years ago
>dusty old mono recording #1
hmmmmmm

>>73791907
Eh, that's not really true. Sure, for the romantic era we have plenty of "golden age" recordings that even most modern conductors worship (in case you think that those "people" are exclusively listeners), but there's still quite a bit of excitement for new renaissance, baroque, and classical recordings. And I'd say even the romantic era still get its fair shake, but it's more dependent on the work in question.

>>73791779
I met a violist who plays in this orchestra. Nice fellow, lodges with a family I know. He plays in loads of ensembles outside of it and seemed to just treat it as another source of income more than some grand racial rebalancing thing.

>>73791907
shoo shoo poly

>>73792184
Yeah, doesn't surprise me. The whole, "save the world from muh racisms," thing oft comes off as a marketing schtick these days. I have an acquaintance who performs in an ethnic theater group who feels similarly about it, despite what the over-the-top marketing seems to suggest...

>>73784657
Schubert because he's speaks to me on a manlet level

In which folder is Händels Messiah? domo arigato gosaimas

>>73788513
Toru Takemitsu - Face of Another Waltz

>>73791907
>Clown without jest
or maybe the jest is just ironic

Are there any highly mixolydian-oriented composers. Maybe like Adams but not minimalist?

>>73792483
You ever heard of this obscure guy named, I dunno, AARON COPLAND?

>>73788513

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSMBxp8QaOI

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Did someone say Jews?

>>73787809
Actually, Mendelssohn is treated kind of respectfully by Wagner compared to the unrepentant Jew Meyerbeer

"

I believe that richess is like love in the theatres and novels: no matter how often one encounters it...it never misses its target if effectively wielded...[Nothing] can grow back the foreskin of which we are robbed on the eighth day of life; those who, on the ninth day, do not bleed from this operation shall continue to bleed an entire lifetime, even after death."

>>73792483
Thinking in modes is only something bad musicians do, like guitarists

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>>73792799
>like guitarists
D-delete this

Reposting cause no one answered me last thread:

Who are some Chopin performers in the vein of Saint-Saens?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gOIOKB2k7Y
Was listening to this earlier, and I really like how distinguishable both hands are. Hear quite a bit of detail that I don't find in modern performers of Chopin at all.

>>73792838
Ignaz Friedman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJp-ZFYqdKE

Moriz Rosenthal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmpbwCCm7Ws

Emil von Sauer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqzr88QVic

Alfred Cortot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkxKCW8nq0Y

>>73792876
Thank you!

>>73792876
>Friedman

>One always hopes to discover live radio performances, but while searching for these elusive beasts, a regrettable cul-de-sac was reached. Not one disc survives from the recordings made of the thirty odd hours aired over Australian radio. The A.B. C. archives were once "updated" in the 1960's providing 500,000 records as fodder for a landfill adjacent to a highway, clearly visible from the A.B.C. 's own Sydney offices (facing north). Friedman's Liszt B minor Sonata, both Sonatas of Chopin, eight concerti, major works by Schumann and Brahms are in good company; Schnabel had toured Australia in 1939 and his transcriptions are also filled in the same heap.

I cri

>>73792979
Godspeed

>>73792979
Unfortunately this kind of mistreatment towards archived material is pretty common. Such is life.

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Was there a more beautiful musical bromance?

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>>73792799
Is there a better way of indicating that you wish to hear a certain tonality?

also

>mfw

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT8pLUalaDg

>Wagner was a proto-nazi who wanted the destruction of Jews
Why is this meme seem so common?

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>>73792483
Andrzej Panufnik. Thank me later.

>>73793455
A lot of people don't bother to read up on the subject.

>>73793455
Because people are utterly unaware of 19th century politics and that words like "untergehen" signify assimilation, not destruction

Also because people are way to obsessed with their identities and think assimilation is bad

>In 1914, at the beginning of World War I, Magnard sent his wife and two daughters to a safe hiding place while he stayed behind to guard the estate of "Manoir de Fontaines" at Baron, Oise. When German soldiers trespassed, he fired at them, killing one of them, and they fired back and set the house on fire. It is believed that Magnard died in the fire, but his body could not be identified in the remains.

Brutal. Wonder if his music is any good, guess I'll try one of the symphonies

>This Reger is a sarcastic, churlish fellow, bitter and pedantic and rude. He is a sort of musical Cyclops, a strong, ugly creature bulging with knotty and unshapely muscles, an ogre of composition. In listening to these works...one is perforce reminded of the photograph of Reger which his publishers place on the cover of their catalogue of his works, the photograph that shows something that is like a swollen, myopic beetle with thick lips and sullen expression, crouching on an organ bench.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0uSpha5Ucc

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>>73793833
frog-like

>>73793798
I think I listened to his 4th (or was it the 3rd?) Symphomy forever ago. It was alright, typically murky like most late romantic works, I found it kind of hard to follow without a score. Dramatic openings, strong endings, but I frequently got lost in the middle.

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>2017
>still no significant microtonal works

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>>73793116
"yes"

>>73794349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHI2xyyH-CU
We seem to be on the cusp of realizing the power of microtones.

>>73792211
You clearly don't know my posting style at all.

>>73792799
That's just retarded. You calling Pre-diatonic composers and guys like Bartok guitarists?

SDF, what the fuck have you been up to?

>>73794697
quite honestly what I want to see is microtonality being used structurally taking advantage of new modulation opportunities in a real true romantic context. Kind of in the way Messiaen did with the modes of limited transposition.

>>73795292
He's down with the hood in Chicago now

>>73795520
Yeah the only composer I have seen make good structural use of microtones in a diatonic sense is Easley Blackwood. It would be cool to have more stuff like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbuFPpiJL1o

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What is the best recording of Beethoven's 9th?

>>73796026
Boulez is pretty great

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>>73796026

>>73796026
https://youtu.be/hoINrtIWpTA?t=55s

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>>73796026
Karajan with the berliner philharmoniker is, in my opinion, the best version.
>muh Cobra
That guy is just a meme
>mu Wilhelm Furtwaengler
Pretty good, bu toot old recordings

>>73792979
literally vomited upon reading this

>>73793455
Always makes me think that Wagner is the only composer that people raise the "can you listen to the music without thinking about the composer" question, as though all other composers throughout history have been saints.
Also the sort of people that raise the issue are the same ones who decry Zionism to the point of being anti-Semitic themselves. Makes me think very, very hard indeed.

>>73795292
shagging trannies in America whilst bearing the gospel of Scherchen to the ends of the Earth

Right what opera do I listen to/watch this evening?

>The Stone Guest
>Lohengrin
>Life for the Tsar
>I Puritani
>Jenufa
>Tannhauser
>Don Carlo
>Flying Dutchman
>Boris Godunov

>>73797114
Recently I listened to some Mussorgsky. It was Godunov I guess.

>>73796026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBIkADzHhI

>>73796026
Schuricht is underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-oz0bLZs_A

>>73797156
Haaaaa
>>73797652
This desu

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>>73797156
Top kékszakállú

>>73793455
Let's be honest here: Wagner would have totally supported the nazis. He was a top tier opportunist who had no problems pandering to the highest authorities (he had no problems composing King Ludwig's childish fantasies by preying upon German mythology), he died as an anti-semite (and you're wrong if you downplay it: in Wagner's times the intensity of his antisemitism was considered bad taste, his brand of antisemitism wasn't common at all), and he had an adoration for heroic figures (and all the post-Wagnerian saw that in the figure of Adolf Hitler).

Even if it is speculation, I have absolutely no doubt Wagner would have composed glorious operas for the Nazi party, and then proceed to shun it as soon as its demise became evident, jumping on the next political train.

>>73797022
>Wagner is the only composer that people raise the "can you listen to the music without thinking about the composer" question, as though all other composers throughout history have been saints.
Most composers have been saints, compared to Wagner. He was a bully, an absolute narcissist with a personality cult going on and a downright dishonest person. Of course this does not detract one bit from the quality of his music. Sure, the Meistersinger may be antisemitic, and it was written as a crowdpleaser for the now nationalist Germany, but can anything bad be said about the music itself? It is beyond perfection in every possible musical department.

>Also the sort of people that raise the issue are the same ones who decry Zionism to the point of being anti-Semitic themselves. Makes me think very, very hard indeed.
That's a pretty vague polemic.

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>be me, Gustav Mahler (a Jew, then converted to Christianity, otherwise no job would have been available to me in the early 20th century antisemitic Vienna)
>study compositions, music literature, any branch of theory you could imagine and orchestration like a mofo all my life, all day long
>put every single music idea I've had in about 15 hours of music
>I really don't give a fuck, I'll make variations out of the repeat and I'll fill them with enough ideas to write 2 other conventional symphonies

Was Mahler /ourguy/?

>>73797962
No

>we hate Jews (not me personally but the site obviously does)
>we don't put effort into things
>we have no discernible talent

>>73798113
>we hate Jews
>>>>>>we
/classical/ is a Zionist pro-Isreal general.

Busoni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOiZFV-MSQY

>>73798141
>oh vey
>>73798199
this

>>73798199
Jews are superior human beings: their survival and comfort justifies any sort of compromise from Israel's side.
Regardless, how many great pianists, composers, violinists and conductors came outside of Palestine?

>>73798141
this

>>73798597
also this

Poor third country musician reporting in.
Is there any site or program (like soulseek) where I can download modern, copyrighted scores? Apart from imlsp, of course.
A serie of scores that I'm searching at the moment is Schnabnel's Beethoven's Sonatas technical edition.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_7ONG_LQnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBxkXoTEqOw
Literally can't stop myself from CUMMING

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Early Stokowski recordings are godly

kektzold

>>73799220
>Poor third country musician reporting in.
no such thing, musicians have to be from rich countries

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It's amazing how many of the important violinists of the last century were Jewish. Until the chinks started making headway, it was almost entirely Jews. The only goyim I can think of are Grumiaux and Francescatti.

Legnani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u3gno70JS8

Where should one start with academic 20th century classical? What is the most entry level?

>>73802828
Perhaps Debussy?
Strauss and Wagner are the transitions, while Schoenberg's 5 pieces for orchestra and his first atonal piano pieces are the real start of 20th century music.

This documentary is a good starting point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br7aY311Xr8&list=PLUim0aOs4aw5EFwhtkPiaVuwfvUYNl3a3

>>73799220
Go to your local library or university library, photocopy the scores you want. They don't really exist for free online.

>>73801586

Ruggiero Ricci wasn't Jewish. Neither of course was Paganini.

The list of Jewish pianists is just as nuts.

>>73800129
only Mengelberg's Concertgebouw can compete with the Phillys in their prime

>dat articulation
hnng

>>73803176
>They don't really exist for free online.

It's 2017 and there's still no online outlet for copyrighted scores?

is Elgar boring as hell or is it just me

>>73803948
move to england first

>>73787928
you love it, don't deny

hmmmmm. Harty's Schubert is pretty great, actually. maybe one of the most dance-like second movements i've heard.

>>73803948
His oratorios are fairly solid: Gerontius and the Apostles are both p. good.

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I've been listening to Chopin's 'Nocturnes' on loop a lot when reading and I've really been enjoying it. I rarely listen to music when reading, but I've taken to it of late.

Would /classical/ be able to recommend any works that might fit a similar mood?

>>73806301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3Wyq8FDnQ

>>73806301
>>73806463
Disgusting plebs

post recordings that are much different than how the piece is usually performed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoINrtIWpTA

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How feasible is it to learn the Piano without having a Piano to practice? They're quite expensive, so I was planning on buying a cheap keyboard or digital piano, are they any good to practice and will convey the same feel?

Also, I'm already 20, will I face a lot of difficulties in learning? I'm a master with the violin though, will that help?

>>73808775
>How feasible is it to learn the Piano without having a Piano to practice?
Impossible, at best you will learn how to hit the right notes, but you will miss the approach to frequencies, which is 99% of what you need to obtain a decent tonal production.

>They're quite expensive, so I was planning on buying a cheap keyboard or digital piano, are they any good to practice and will convey the same feel?
No, they won't, and no, they're not expensive. If you can buy a 2-300$ piano you may as well rent one real piano for 30-40$/month. Cheap keyboards are useless.

>Also, I'm already 20, will I face a lot of difficulties in learning?
Of course. You'll need both a real piano (at least an upright), a good teacher and the discipline required to study 8 to 10 hours everyday for years. Without These factors you may as well give up now.

>I'm a master with the violin though, will that help?
You're not.

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>Feldman was commissioned to compose the score for Jack Garfein's 1961 film, Something Wild. However, after hearing the music for the opening scene, in which a character (played by Carroll Baker, incidentally also Garfein's wife) is raped, the director promptly withdrew his commission, opting to enlist Aaron Copland instead. The reaction of the startled director was said to be, "My wife is being raped and you write celesta music?"

Is he /ourjewishguy/?

Listen to Frescobali.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO9yeesO1g4

>>73808915
That quote is incorrect.
Instead of "celesta music" the director referenced Bartok's "Music for strings percussion and celesta", which would make sense for a rape scene.

Copland's score for that film is a great piece of work so I'm glad Feldman fucked it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCRjbDO9F94

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I'm learning to play the violin, started last week. I've been training 1 hour or more every day, I think I already learned how to properly use the bow (at least the basic) but christ, why is it making such a horridly squeaky sound? The note is correct, I try to put the right amount of pressure, but there's still that agonizing sound hurting the ears.

>>73808864
You like crushing other people's dreams like that? Didn't someone teach you some manners and education when you were a kid? I'll try either way, regardless of what you think, asshole.

>>73809220
How old are you? It's normal in the beginning, after 6 months you'll probably be playing much better and making some prettier sounds if you keep practicing everyday.

>>73808864
>8 to 10 hours everyday for years

Are you stupid? Literally no one should practice so much for so much time. If you practice the piano for 1 hour for 2 years, you should be able to play most pieces as long as you study them beforehand. Playing more than 4 hours per day is completely useless, you won't get any better. Stop lying to him.

>>73784657
Rachmaninov at the moment because his piano concertos

>>73808775
>Also, I'm already 20, will I face a lot of difficulties in learning? I'm a master with the violin though, will that help?
That's around the same time that Bauer switched, so it's certainly possible to do. Obviously being previously educated in an instrument helps, but your mileage may vary.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ZJStrudwick/videos

Thoughts?

>>73808775
I switched to piano from classical, which I studied for 8 years. The switch wasn't abrupt, but gradual over 3 years, now I'm 20 and working on Rachmaninov's third piano concerto. I got alot of dexterity and theoretical knowledge from playing guitar which has helped alot. I sit maximum 4 hours, spread out during the day, with the piano. I've never had a teacher though, working on getting a decent budget for that.

>>73809304
Crushing dreams? I've just told him the truth: that to become a half-decent pianist you need a piano, a teacher and lots of dedication. This is the bare minimum required. What do you want me to tell him? That he can become a great pianist by putting very few hours into it, with no guidance, and on an instrument that is insufficient, on which one can not learn how to create a tone?

>>73809338
You're full of shit, and you have clearly never studied in a conservatory. 6 to 8 hours is the bare minimum required from students. Virtuosos like Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli and his students would study up to 14 to 16 hours everyday, Rachmaninoff under Zverev (after having slacked off for his entire teenagehood) would study 10 hours every day, starting early in the morning, Richter and Arrau even in their old age would practice 6 hours everyday, someone like Rubinstein could play 9 hours recitals without getting tired. As long as you know how to pace yourself through carefully planned pauses and enough stretching everytime (and either a nap or some meditation when you start feeling scatterbrained), there is no diminishing returns.

Basically, you're so much of a pussy that you can't not even start to imagine spending more than 4 hours per day on a piano. It just seems impossible, doesn't it? Too bad that 4 hours per day is sub-standard.

>>73809599
Bauer was already an excellent pianist when he switched: even Paderewski was extremely impressed at the times.
A good example of ''late'' starters are Rubinstein and Richter. By the time Rubinstein was 30 he was as good as a 8-10 years old 2017 pianist, Richter was even less skilled than that. Rubinstein could not play the Chopin's Etudes, and Richter entire repertoire consisted of rehearsals with operas and accompaniement for singers. This level of skill can be achieved by virtually everyone in 2 to 4 years of very intense guided study, which means that that 20 years old anon could be as good as 25 years old Richter/Rubinstein by the time he is 23, in 2020.
in their adulthood, they managed to achieve out of nothing pure virtuosity (especially in Richter case, who had in his repertoire almost everything, and could even play the Hammerklavier Sonata at almost full speed with no wrong notes/dynamics).

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>Compose a symphony called "The Great"
>There's nothing great about it
What did he mean by this?

>>73809966
delete

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>finally realizes that his greatest compositional fault is ignorance in counterpoint
>dies one day later
What did he mean by this?

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>be Schubert
>compose lots of music for his friends, for the public and for his pleasure
>die pennyless
>a guy, Robert Schumann, starts propagandizing his works
>he also writes in a few articles that his music is effemminate
>200 years later everyone sees him as a sissy counterpart of Beethoven

Fuck Schumann, right?

>>73809769
>>>>>>>virtuoso
Do you really believe that him, a young man in his 20s, asking in a 4chan thread about learning the piano, has any chance of being a virtuoso or even WISHING to be one? I am certain he wants to learn the piano because he likes piano music and wants to be able to play his favorite compositions

>>>>>>>>>bare minimum
Alright, you could be detached enough from reality to believe anon wanted to become one of the best piano players of our times, but BARE MINIMUM? I have studied in a conservatory for several years, I know all the teachers there. When I first started learning the piano, I asked my teacher: "If I practice two hours daily, how long should it take me to be able to play Bach?" He said it would likely take me less than two years to play his most complex compositions, and added that I would not play two hours daily. He said that he, as a teacher (and a GREAT piano player), he practiced at best 3 hours daily when he had to play at concerts. Most students play 30 minutes to one hour, and that is enough to play decently.

Sure, I understand that Rachmaninoff and other great players would play for 10+hours. But they had a burning passion. Hahn stated recently in an interview that she played AT BEST one hour daily, even before concerts. Pearlman played four hours daily.

Ten hours or more is a lie. The only ones who would do such thing are TRUE virtuosos, who showed a virtuosity at young age and have always loved what they played. Which is clearly not the case of anon.

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>>73809966

>>73810073
>Do you really believe that him, a young man in his 20s, asking in a 4chan thread about learning the piano, has any chance of being a virtuoso or even WISHING to be one? I am certain he wants to learn the piano because he likes piano music and wants to be able to play his favorite compositions
He asked about becoming a good pianist, there was no implication in his post that he was not serious about it.

>Alright, you could be detached enough from reality to believe anon wanted to become one of the best piano players of our times, but BARE MINIMUM? I have studied in a conservatory for several years, I know all the teachers there. When I first started learning the piano, I asked my teacher: "If I practice two hours daily, how long should it take me to be able to play Bach?" He said it would likely take me less than two years to play his most complex compositions, and added that I would not play two hours daily.

Bullshit, there is no way you can approach appropriatly the last contrapuncti of his Art of Fugue with that amount of work, unless you're an actual genius. He probably meant that you could hit most of the notes at the right time, but this is not even basic competence.

>He said that he, as a teacher (and a GREAT piano player), he practiced at best 3 hours daily when he had to play at concerts
And from his 30s Liszt stopped practicing altogether. This does not mean that earlier than that he did not spend most of his time practicing and thinking about the piano in general.
What I'm saying here is that your teacher has already finished all the dirty work that lies behind virtuosity. That anon hasn't. Of course Rachmaninoff would not practice 10 hours daily at the peak of his career, but he NEEDED to do that as a student to be able to treat his regimen so lightly.

Six to ten hours is how much a very dedicated student should play, especially if he's starting late (in that case it becomes a necessity).

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I'M UNSTOPPABLE. I'M THE KING OF SOUND. I-AM-----CLASSICAL

>>73810073
>>73810175
>Do you really believe that him, a young man in his 20s, asking in a 4chan thread about learning the piano, has any chance of being a virtuoso or even WISHING to be one? I am certain he wants to learn the piano because he likes piano music and wants to be able to play his favorite compositions
>He asked about becoming a good pianist, there was no implication in his post that he was not serious about it.
Not THAT serious. I mean, to play the Kreutzer Sonata, for instance, on the violin requires years of practice, I'm sure there are several pieces as hard as the Kreutzer on the Piano, my objective is not to play all of them perfectly and magnificently like a virtuoso or a soloist, just to play the ones I like in a good way and learn more about music composition/harmony.

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY

>>73810027
schubert held the torch at beethoven's funeral.
nobody needed to "propagandize" him.

Hello guys, i've been playing the piano for several years (hardest piece i played was Mozart's 23rd) and i'd like to learn some sad pieces without many fortissimos like liszt's 3rd consolation if you know what i mean. I want to play them when i'm in a sad mood
Also, Chopin is bae, you can't deny it :)

>>73810800
Try Beethoven's Moonight Sinatura

How easy is it for you to identify classical music? I usually have quite some trouble, even with music I listen to quite often. Mostly I guess the composer through the instruments and the style of the composition, for example, Mozart is incredibly easy to guess because of his constant use of oboes and generally a lack of a main instrument.

>>73808318
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-w8gIDktU

>>73798141
I didn't know that /classical/ has such a plebeian taste in Middle Eastern affairs. Patricians support Palestinian ISIS affiliates.

>>73810859
Thank you for your suggestion man but i listened to this sonata so much that i don't get the special vibe anymore. (except with Arrau playing it)

>>73810800

Came to my mind first:

https://youtu.be/yT7YJFW23Zc

Schonbergs piano pieces are sad but also very dark if you want that in your emotional pallette.

Janacek: https://youtu.be/_lFekGwREs4

>>73803331
Yeah I forgot Ricci. There are some others too. But yeah, they're all Jews or half Jews

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Alkan is pretty much the only jew I can stand to listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ZNMQ4neJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3XKeqy8xd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzCpL_i7K8

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>>73798141
>>73798597
>>73810994
>uchuu seiki ⎡ C U R R E N T Y E A R ⎦+ 2
>not supporting the Lion of Damascus

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>>73810994
also
>Palestinian (((ISIS))) affiliates
KEKKITY TOPPTY KEK

What's your favorite piece that includes electronics?

>>73811560
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWL1ZMjJrc4

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>>73809220
>why is it making such a horridly squeaky sound?
Because you still haven't learned how to use the bow properly. If you don't have a teacher then be prepared to produce shitty sounds for the next 5 years minimum.

>muh 20th c kike noises
plens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX_Gf70aHac

>>73808775
>musician
>poor
That is like a intelligent nigger

>>73810454
Then the only difference is that you don't need to study 8 hours everyday. To have decent interpretations of actual serious pieces you will still need to develop a bond with an actual pianos, and to have a teacher checking on your technique (of course you'll want to avoid any possible source of injury).

>>73810639
Schubert was unkown by the time he died. He may have been the torchbearer at Beethoven's funeral, but this tells us nothing about his fame: even Beethoven knew him only as a lieder composer. If you're interested about it, by the time he died publishers were not even interested in his late sonatas, and his friends (especially Schober) were starting to lose interest in his music. He died owning a 4 outfits and lots of scores, which were discovered later on by Schumann (who met Schubert's brother in the 1840s, and discovered all of his symphonic and chamber music). Only after Schumann's ''advertising'' Schubert's music rightfully entered into the German canon.

>>73811148
Thanks a lot man!

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>listen to Webern music
>talk about it with a friend of mine
>''damn, Webern must have went through really tough times''
>he calls me a pleb and tells me I don't have the sensibility to find beauty in this music

>read Webern's biography
>I was right and all of his music is about the truma he experienced after the death of his mother

>>73812198
>music
>about

jfc

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What is /classical/ opinion on Villa-Lobos? He's my favorite composer, it's amazing how he plays with the emotions, how every instrument is perfectly placed and timed. Very different from most composers, just a little bit like Mozart

>>73812574
literally who?

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>>73810454
>to play the Kreutzer Sonata, for instance, on the violin requires years of practice

Only for turbo virgins.

>>73813135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgh8CzHPKok

You uncultured swine

What are the most important classical works composed this century?
What's your favorite work composed this century?

>>73813862
The (R)evolution of Steve Jobs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_in_classical_music#New_operas

>>73813216
What?

Reminder to /classical/ that I had a three day ban for posting a list of Jewish composers, responding to another anon. Yes, that is enough to get kicked off of 4chan without being able to appeal the ban. Thanks to whichever faggot reported me. I guess it is really terrifying to have a list of Jewish composers or something.

>>73813940
hmm
https://www.scribd.com/document/23455520/Full-Copy-of-Jewish-Composers-of-Classical-Music-1-Copy

>>73813940
Could you post it again?

>>73813940
Tbh that list was pretty interesting, i dunno why they banned you tho. Isn't 4chan supposed to be the last bastion of free speech?

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Am I the only one who thinks the organization of /mu/ is completely backwards? Instead of classical music having a containment thread, /mu/ should just be /classical/ and the rest of the crap should have their own containment thread (one thread).

I'm new to this genre. friend recommended the Dark Souls soundtrack to me while I was studying and I listened to this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB6sOhQan9Y

I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would, I've never been a fan of full orchestra type things but I really liked this, so if you guys have any reccs for me that would be nice.

>>73814027
Let metal and rap fags believe their music is anywhere close to good. It's the only thing that prevent them from ending their lives kek

>>73814027
nah, it's cozy in here

>>73813987
It was in the last archived thread and I just came up with it off of the top of my head. I wouldn't post it again because I don't want the same losers to report it. I could really care less if one is Jewish or not, I was just responding to a question. Pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXDJhLeShg

is this the best wtc or what bros?

If I want to learn to play harpsichord and I'm in my late 20s how long will it take until I can I play the entire Well-Tempered Clavier in its entirety? Should I by a harpsichord? I only have 50 bucks.

>>73814024
>i dunno why they banned you tho. Isn't 4chan supposed to be the last bastion of free speech?
honestly it was probably more likely that the mod/janny was stupid and thought he was spamming random names

i've been banned before for posting a ton of compositions in sequence, for instance.

Which composer was the best musician? Which was the worst?

>>73814285
That entirely depends on how smart/hard you practice. If you work smart and hard you can do in a single year what it would take a normal person five to do. That being said there is a lot of reasonably difficult material not to mention a metric fuck ton of material (we are talking about almost one hundred compositions if you are counting all four books) in the Well-Tempered Clavier.
You would probably need a good four to five years to be able to play all the material plus another 3-4 to learn all the pieces you didn't learn in that time.

>Should I by a harpsichord? I only have 50 bucks
Well you will probably never get to actually play one unless you hang out church keyboardists. Because it's such a niche thing they tend to be quite expensive and often have to be custom built. I just don't understand why you would rather play a harpsichord than a piano. The only advantage I can think of a harpsichord having is in it's relation to the baroque orchestra and it's ability to pierce through the ensemble during concerti.

>>73814631
>You would probably need a good four to five years to be able to play all the material plus another 3-4 to learn all the pieces you didn't learn in that time.
My goal is to only listen to that every time I have spare time to ingrain it into my head to make it easier to play. I figure I can listen to it during commutes and when going to sleep and showering. What do you think?

>>73814705
That won't help you learn them at all. I'm not saying don't do it, it is wonderful music but listening in almost no way prepares you for the technical aspects of playing.

>>73814705
I also forgot to mention that it will be impossible to play all of those works on a harpsichord. It was not written for any particular keyboard instrument. It's clear that some of the works are written for harpsichord and some for organ. There will be passages where it will be literally impossible to follow what the sheet music instructs you to do. The piano due to it's versatile nature is not subject to these.

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>>73814239
nah

>>73815153
fug off shill

Unlikely collabs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9DwjiEzRgg

>>73814410
>best
Chopin

>worst
Wagner

Are there any John Cage pieces you actually like? Poast them and convince me he's not a charlatan bugman.

>>73816340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSulycqZH-U

>>73816340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ik4VMcLkA
V A P O R W A V E
A
P
R
W
V
E

ok it's just irony

pls

Donut die

Give me your favourite early Baroque pieces.

Pergolesi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-wa7rPDw2k

>>73820445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZXLbfl_QE

Thoughts on Luigi Nono?

bump n do not dump

Is there an actually good recording of Tchaikovsky 6?

I swear every single recording I've listened to is bad, both in terms of sound quality and interpretation.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TNnkudruig

>>73821210
there's only about 400 recordings of the piece, so keep searching

>>73816158
Didn't Wagner consider Nietzsche a superior pianist?

>>73816158
>best
>not Paganini or Liszt
shit opinion

>>73820820
I prefer his brother, Mario Nono

Is a Piano needed to learn theory? Can't i try with another instrument?

I believe Arnold Schönberg's "A Survivor From Warsaw" is his best work, and one of the most terrifying and emotionally stirring pieces I have listened to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuP0SExoojQ

>>73821310
>Telemann

do you want a ban? this thread is for music

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>>73814239
Pic related is my favorite version.

>>73811560
This album is great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPdE01SoOBQ
Grisey and Murail tend to utilize electronics in interesting ways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFncet5VHRs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-Kyk0d3fE

>>73813862
We wont know which works will be the most important until the century is over. Its early years. Like cutting 20th century music off at 1917.
My favorite so far is probably this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gG0j-35Mgk&list=RD9gG0j-35Mgk

Best saxophone concerto of the century so far - written in 2000

>>73822395
>Best saxophone concerto of the century so far?
What's the best saxophone concerto of all time then? There's not much of a repertoire there

>>73822111
It's not but it makes it easier the way the notes are arranged on the keyboard, as opposed to, say, a fretboard on a guitar. Plus you can larp as Mozart from the Amadeus movie and giggle and shit while you play.

You don't even need an instrument to learn theory to be honest. Though it helps with identifying notes, chords, intervals, and what sounds good with one another (i.e., applying the theory). You can read a book on theory and intellectually understand everything - the different scales, modes, the keys and notes in each of them, circle of fifths, chordal relationships, harmony, melody, dynamics, etc., etc. Fuck I know all of that just by reading stuff here and there on the internet and I'm a complete retard. If I can so can you.

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>>73822126
>A Survivor from Warsaw, Op. 46, is a cantata by the Los Angeles-based Austrian composer Arnold Schoenberg, written in tribute to Holocaust victims.

>>73822523
>What's the best saxophone concerto of all time then
The very one I posted. There is hardly any repertoire.

Listening Schuberts Unfinished and im literally about to cry wtf.

>>73822523
saxo is a stupid instrument. it got tarnished by kenny g forever, its striptease music instrument now.

>>73823437
yes true jazz fans like me don't like modern jazz :^)

>>73823433
>Exclusive: musicologists have found a missing part of Schubert’s Unfinished Symphony
http://www.classicfm.com/composers/schubert/news/unfinished-symphony-score-found/
>April 1
reeeeeeeeeeee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
What's the song at:
0:00

>>73824104
bolero

>>73824104
Ravel's Bolero, with some very terrible brass playing.

>>73824120
likely Portsmouth Sinfonia

>>73821621
Liszt considered Chopin as the best pianist actually, he's probably 2nd tho

>>73821210
Go to concerts if you're not happy enough with recordings you pleb

https://youtu.be/4rZeLxB8FYo

^ God tier

Also what's your favorite recording of Mahler's 9 ?

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Petzold? More like Pretzel-d.

pls post solo strings

>>73824419
Is there anything more grating on the ear than a solo violin? Perhaps the harpsichord...

>>73824434
>Is there anything more grating on the ear than a solo violin?
many things

>>73824475
Like the harpsichord.

>>73824434
that grating is part of what makes solo violin so powerful. It has the timbral range to be grating or beautifully lyrical.

>>73824358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vB93vbi8g

>>73822111
Pretty much. If you can name a composers they can play a keyboard instrument. They may not be pianists as in Chopin but they can all play the piano well enough as a compositional aid.
Sure you can learn music theory without learning a keyboard instrument but it's like saying you can learn jazz theory without being a musician. Sure it's possible but there is a reason why it's pretty much unheard of.

But in the end why would you not? The amount of extra effort it would take to learn things that would be automatically learned by playing piano would come close to negating any time advantage and only comes with negative aspects.
To learn the piano well enough as a useful tool for composition can be done in six months if you aren't lazy and have a non-shit practice schedule.

>>73824774
>To learn the piano well enough as a useful tool for composition can be done in six months if you aren't lazy and have a non-shit practice schedule.
I'm fine with this, the problem is actually acquiring a piano. All i have is a mid-tier electric keyboard.

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Why are live Kubelík recordings always GOAT?

>>73824762

I have to admit that this one is pretty solid

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>>73824774
there's berlioz and some others who never played piano. berlioz sucks though.

>Most youthful composers let their fingers run riot up and down the keyboard, snatching handfuls of notes, assaulting the instrument in wild frenzy, in hope that something may result from it. Such people are merely Finger Composers—in his riper years Bach used to call them Harpsichord Knights—that is to say, their fingers tell them what to write instead of being instructed by the brain what to play. Bach abandoned that method of composition when he observed that brilliant flourishes lead nowhere. He realised that musical ideas need to be subordinated to a plan and that the young composer's first need is a model to instruct his efforts.
t. forkel

So, why wasn't Otto Klemperer given that job as New York Philharmonic conductor, as it states on his wikipedia page? He seems like a greatest of all time conductor.

>>73825577
bad relationship with the mannager

144 FL tokens on RED. What should I get?

>>73826142
Liszt 99 CD collection

>>73825502
Yep, Berlioz composed with his third ear, and would try everything out on a guitar (but by the time he was 30 he did not need to do it anymore). Schumann and Wagner envied him for it: they worshipped Bach, Beethoven and Schubert, and thought that mental composition was a inherently superior way of expression (Wagner never reached that level of aural competence, Schumann instead could already compose from memory by the time he reached his 40s).

>>73822111
It's the most efficient way until you develop a strong relative pitch. In fact it's so efficient that many composers did not ever feel the need to depart from their instrument in their compositional career.
That said, if you want to compose and if you're not willing to study piano, then buy a shitty keyboard, find a theory teacher and IMMEDIATLY start doing ear training until you can transcribe back anything you hear.
Also, and I hope this is obvious, not composing on piano means that you are not composing on any other instrument. Of all the instruments available, piano is the least limitated one. If you decide to compose symphonies on guitar, I can assure you that every musician in the crowd will notice it. The good news is that the piano is an inferior tool when compared to your own mind.

>>73826864
>If you decide to compose symphonies on guitar, I can assure you that every musician in the crowd will notice it.
I'm not planning on composing, i really don't know why i want to learn theory to be honest, it feels like it's something i have to do in order to get things like classical and jazz i guess.

>>73826994
Then it's all ear training. Get an instrument that can produce chords, find a theory teacher and start studying with him. You shouls be proficient in 3-4 months from now, if you oractice everyday. This means that you'll be able to glance at pretty complex scores and immediatly hear the music in your head.

Speaking of which, i've been playing the piano for 10 years now but i don't hear shit. What's the fastest way to develop relative speech ? I can reproduce some themes that i hear on youtube but not the chords, it's very hard desu. I think the thing i need is patience but i don't have that anymore...

>>73827081
Sit down and recognize on the sport tenths of thousands of chords and intervals for hundreds of hours. In a few months it will be a cakewalk.

>>73827174
Yeah i'll try that thank you... I'll try to find chords excercises on Youtube

>>73827174
http://www.musictheory.net/exercises/ear-interval
and many similar exercises there

>>73827414
Thanks man !

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfA8kv7QKqY

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can people give me recs based on this chart? :^)
the 'albums' aren't important, I ranked it based on the composer in general (well, as much as I'd heard)

>>73827890
>chart
>>>/daily/
>>>/rym/
>>>/chart/

fuck off

>>73827890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgpJVI3tDbY

>>73827890
Normie-tier taste.

>>73827890
Infinite Jest.

>>73828091
nobody cares about your opinion

>>73828178
is this sarcasm

>>73828198
idc

>>73828276
good book

>>73827890
here's something more your speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZiKbWcVVQ

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Whacha playing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVYgl06GmJg
(couldn't find Hamelin's)

>>73828836
not an argument :>

>>73828902
playin' some dank Mozart sonatas

>>73811654
>shitberg """""""""fugue"""""""""

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chew on this, brainlets

>>73829311
muh serialism
muh bootiful music

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>>73829329
cry more

>>73829311
absolute trash lol

>>73829397
brainlet
you don't study music so your opinion doesn't matter

>>73829406
Boulez is merely an organizer, and all of his innovations are merely stylistic (as worthwhile as someone coming up with a new tonal style based on 3 chords). Generally, all Boulez's efforts lead to nowhere academically (by studying his works you won't discover any new property of any musical system, rather you will just see some new combinations of the already discovered properties), so much that you're expected to listen to his music not analytically (just like you're doing, you pleb), but in a mystical, if not purely aesthetical manner. Boulez never hid his esoteric tendencies, and openly recognized Mallarme as his artistic model for his entire life.


tl;dr: Boulez lied to you, knowing your theory won't show you any deeper truth, instead you are supposed to, as Boulez would have said, ''follow the sounds''.

>>73824807
All you need is about a thousand dollars or so for a decent electric piano which will be absolutely fine if you don't intend on being a great pianist. Really you just want a keyboard with nice feeling weighted keys and three pedals. It doesn't even really matter if the sound sucks because you can always use midi to play from high quality samples.

>>73829556
cute, but if you wanted to shitpost, you could have done so more effectively by removing glaring falsehoods

now say it with me

B R A I N L E T

Why are you even arguing over a dead man? 4chan is already a fucking mess so let's make this thread a cozy one at least ffs

Only historical recordings permitted below this post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3fc6b7q8Es

>>73830837
Very nice, but not nearly as great as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myQpkIlv_lw

>>73826480
you can get that on rutracker

>>73830466
Nice lack of argument you've got there. You could have proved me wrong with a couple examples, too bad that said example do not exist: Boulez was not an innovator, and his music is mystic, basically neo-platonic in nature.

>>73830297
With 1000$ he could rent a real piano for almost 3 years.

>>73831366
True, Boulez was a neo-gnostic and his Manichean side never really was popular with his friends or family, so he kept it to himself. If you study his compositions close enough, you will see an intense battle between light and dark forces, between the spirit and the flesh. Ultimately, the flesh wins out, the black soul conquers, at least in many of his earlier compositions, before he left this behind for more conventional and less anarchic tendencies - this was done deliberately of course, for aesthetic reasons. If you read his biography you will see his Thelemite tendencies (he even knew members of Crowley's inner circle). Probably his most significant tie is with Bataille, whom he claimed an utmost affinity for. The two of them are probably the most spiritually revolutionary forces in 20th Century France. You can understand why Paris looks like it does today by understanding the spiritual, behind-the-scenes force these two troubled men had. Boulez tried to make amends, as it were, by conducting the greats. He could never undo what he unleashed on the world. It is said that Bataille, upon finding his dead mom, immediately masturbated in front of her (he literally writes about this). We can understand Boulez as performing the same action in a more ethereal and artistic sense. The mother is the classical and romantic tradition, and his masturbation is his works. Why was he driven so mad? Because he saw the the 12-Tone works had already accomplished what he set out to do and he could find no great alternative to overcome their influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36xdMffuCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8tH7lGIQa0

>>73831608
>>73831366
>>73830466
>>73829556
>>73829406

I never knew about these sides of Boulez's personality? Any interesting article or interview I can read about it? Also I genuinely don't understand why these sides of the great avantgardists of the 20th century never come out: Schoenberg, Webern and Stockhausen were too full-blown superstitious guru-like figures too!

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Hey /classical/, I need some help, is it possible to learn how to read musical sheets perfectly and the basics of music theory until August 10?

>>73832240
With 2h a day, yes you can perfectly do that

>>73832240
sure. and you cant, whats the worse that could happen?

>>73832240
Define perfectly. Do you want to be able to sight-sing it? Or is the ability to imagine it enough for you?
If that's the case, 1 month is enough to get really good at reading music. How much are you willing to work? With a few more informations I can help you figuring your options out.

t. I teach people piano and theory for a living

>>73832558
> Or is the ability to imagine it enough for you?
It's enough for me, but how much more would it take if I wanted to 'sight-sing it'?

> How much are you willing to work?
I was thinking of doing 1h a day, but the other anon said 2h would be more appropriate, then I think I could increase the time if it is necessary.

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>tfw handlet (9th)

>>73832667
>It's enough for me, but how much more would it take if I wanted to 'sight-sing it'?
It would be a completely different type of exercise, since in that case you would need to incorporate solfege in your study plan.

>I was thinking of doing 1h a day, but the other anon said 2h would be more appropriate, then I think I could increase the time if it is necessary.
With 2h per day I guess you will be able to, at best, imagine somewhat easy solo pieces while reading them. It is certainly not enough to be able to read orchestral pieces, nor it is enough to be able to glance at more than 2 to 3 melodic lines in chamber music (at best you will be able to imagine melodies going up and down, but you won't be able to understand in what manner they do that without slowing down considerably). If you want to get really proficient in just one month, I'd advice you to put a few more hours into it. Maybe 2 in the morning, 1 in the afternoon and 1 before going to sleep, and even if you keep up at this pace you may not make it. Regardless, since it's only 1 month you may think about putting a real effort into it, and then slow it down after August 10.
Are you trying to pass some exam? What are the requirements?

>>73832683
Chopin could streth a 9th outside of the keyboard, Liszt was barely able to stretch a 10th (him being able to stretch a 12th is a myth). If you can stretch an octave, you're good to go, and I mean this.

any fav trancriptions/orchestrations?

transcription of beethoven by liszt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBaG46A1qzY

orchestration of hammerklavier by weingartner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LqEnF1TiA

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>>73832683
>tfw comfortable 11th

Any famous pianists with small hands?

>>73833441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLYWmsMU6M
>>73833252
Then why did they include 10ths and higher (no arpeggio)? bullies

>>73833441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJZ6tpaOSEY

>>73833441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoxECjk6rq8

>>73833494
Arima Kousei
Noda Megumi

>>73833479
>tfw can actually take a 13th
>tfw I grew up in like one year and it completely fucked my approach to the keyboard
>tfw to this day this ridicolous range makes impossible to be fully precise, especially with 2,3 and 4 fingers

Comfortable 11th/12th is the perfect range. Everything above that will make you clumsy.

>>73833499
Rolling large chords have always been accepted, these libertie were not shunned down at the times (and in fact it is perfectly acceptable to roll a 9th to this day). Even Rachmaninoff would roll everything above a 10th, and Liszt could not phisically hit a 11th.

>>73833441
That Hammerklavier transcription is atrocious. It does not add anything (in fact it obscures many mechanics) and the orchestral textures do not fit the themes.

>>73833494
Alicia Larrocha

>>73833585
yeah but i like orchestration of hammerklavier in principle and dont know any other recording that i could link

>>73833628
What about Ravel's re-orchestrations? There's not even a bad one.

>>73833494
Josef Hofmann had small hands I think.

>>73833441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGPak1GQcA

>>73832683
I can just barely do an 11th
>>73833252
Keep in mind the pianos in Chopin and Liszt's time had narrower keys (similar to a synthesizer or a harpsichord), meaning an octave feels more like a 7th. Also remember though, that people back then were smaller, and had smaller hands.

>>73833441
>J. Haydn - Hob III:50-56 - The 7 last words of Christ for string quartet, Op. 51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcmF2z_Z3_c

Does this count?

If you have small hands just get a baby piano

>>73833494
not listed yet:
leopold godowsky
shura cherkassky
vladimir ashkenazy
daniel barenboim

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>>73833899
organs often seem to have babby keys, or is it an optical illusion because of fat players?
didnt C.P.E. Bach mention somewhere that his father preferred short keys?

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older instrument, tinier keys?

>>73833899
what if I have huge ass hands
should I start playing piano?

>>73834028
I think they're slightly smaller, but with the organ you can't really roll chords in the same way because of how the sound is produced.

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Is this staff pick good? I'm new to the cantatas.

>>73834223
Gimmie an invite and I'll let you know.

>>73833899
This is a good idea only if you plan to play only at your home for the rest of your life. Shifting to larger pianos is downright impossible if you get used to smaller ones.

>>73833441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3Oq124CDg

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>>73833525
amazing

>>73833529
dat whole album mang

>>73833804
sure, beethoven's own transcription op.134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn_sWzjmRH8

>>73807548
But I thought Chopin was pretty good.

>>73834515
If you listen to those youtube mixes you are a disgusting pleb. Chopin nocturnes are incredibly entry tier, literally the classical music with most views on shitube. There's no two ways about it.
Lurk moar (a couple of years) or leave.
t. not that poster

>>73834685
>literally the classical music with most views on shitube
vivaldi has the highest