/gg/ - Guitar and Bass general

fuck off crazyaga edition

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You fucking broke my sitar, motherfucker!

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>Being right handed
PLEBBERY INCARNATE

No righty is good at guitar. It's impossible

crazyaga writes guitar and bass general with correctly capitalized grammar because he's intelligent

>>73761562
>>givcing a fuck about grammar
you wanna know how I know you've never made good music?

i speak through the music, man

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>>73761562
>Look!!!! Crazyaga didn't capitalize the g in the word "General" !!! omg!!!

You are trying way too hard my man.

No one in 4chan cares about proper capitalization

>>73761500
lefty guitars are absolutely revolting

>>73761643
oh, my bad
you arent so intelligent then

>>73761653
Vintage lefty guitars sound better since they're lefty and haven't had plebs fucking with them.

Always remember young man, Lefties are naturally better musicians and therefore less likely to be plebs and start fucking with wiring when they don't know what they're doing.

Lefties are natural musicians with higher IQ's on average and therefore more likely to understand what they are trying to achieve.

Rare lefty guitars are beautiful, almost always like they've been in a time capsule.

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>>73761717

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>>73761694
I'm almost certainly more intelligent than you.

But really, why are you so obsessed with me anon?

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>>73761746
Problem? Of course there is! You're a right handed plebeian.

If I was right handed, I would literally quit music and get an office job or something

Righties have always been jealous of lefties, that's why they used to burn us at the stake, etc.

>>73761787
My parents once told me that i was born left handed, but then the teachers in kindergarten forced me to become right handed when i learned to write

>>73761806
im sorry for you anon

>>73761787
lefties are subhuman

>>73761806
>Being repressed by your teachers
Lmao

You realise if you were born lefty and play righty, you'll never reach your potential? Lefty brains are literally wired differently

>>73761845
Pretty much all of the great artists throughout history were left handed

>>73761864
so people like mike knopfler just never realized that?

>>73761864
>Pretty much all of the great artists throughout history were left handed
[citation needed]

Redpill me on surf music

>>73761864
>>73761822
I'm not sure i 100% believe them desu. i mean, how did they know if i was left handed or not? what if i was always right handed but my parents just wrongly thought i was left handed before kindergarten?

Who knows.

It still could be true tho, because i had a pretty bad handwriting in school

> Lefty brains are literally wired differently
I mean, i don't think this should have any huge effects.

>>73761806
of course
because you're a wonderful repressed snowflake

>>73761950
Agreed

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>>73761975
What is fucking wrong with you? i just told you a story from my life that my parents told me because the subject of handedness was brought up in the thread

Redpill me on scooped mids.

I'm a beginner, been using a fender acoustic guitar I got when I was a kid. How do I learn how to play like this guy? I know he's using a ronroco/charanga.

>>73761990
>being this new

we need just one crazygaga

>>73762011
yeah, sorry about that
you are more intelligent, after all

>>73762054
>this guy
who?

>>73761864
>Lefty brains are literally wired differently
there's no scientific evidence that link the left sub cortical cerebral region to handedness, or any other region for that matters

>>73761879
Why, what did he do? Why is he relevant to this particular discussion?

>>73761891
>>73761990
Look it up. I'm not even memeing now, it's genuinely true.

>>73761950
Do some research and come back. It's not a fucking meme. It's literally a disproportionate amount of left handed people in all fields. Presidents, painters, sculptors, musicians, artists of any kind.

>Left-handed individuals have a heterogeneous brain organization in which their brain hemisphere is either organized in the same way as right-handers (but with the hemispheres reversed) or even such that both hemispheres are used for verbal processing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handedness

>>73762161
You forgot your trip

>>73762161
>you are more intelligent, after all
You are saying it sarcastically to try and mock me, but i actually am almost certainly more intelligent than you, without sarcasm.

>>73762194
>if you were born lefty and play righty, you'll never reach your potential?
mike knopfler is left handed and plays righty

>>73762161
see>>73762194 and do research if you don't believe.
You're simply wrong.
>Left-handers’ brains are structured differently from right-handers’ in ways that can allow them to process language, spatial relations and emotions in more diverse and potentially creative ways.

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>>73761366
Possibly stupid quiestion but i'm trying to solo and saw that the positions of the pentatonic scale correspond to a chord, does that mean that they follow the caged system?, so if i want to solo over an e chord with the pentatonic scale the pattern across the neck is the e position(starting in the nut) then the d postion and so on?

>>73762237
Yeah, so he's playing with his non-dominant hand. As good as he is, (I don't know) he most likely could have been better.

Perhaps he should try and relearn with his left, and I'm sure he'll notice a difference after a few months/years.

Rate /10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3_s9rjdfOs

>>73762283
8

>>73762283
>Incel-banez guitar
>Meme metal
>I can tell your greasy just by looking

Also, are you living in fucking Ted Kazyinkis cabin in the woods?

Avril Lavigne (aka Dave Grohl) tier/10

>>73762212
I personally doubt it, but you seem so sure about it
usually people who brag about their intelligence are the smartest

>>73762243
you just googled that
I'm attending a master in biorobotics and prosthetics, neuroscience is kinda my jam
I'm not saying dr. Arlene R. Taylor isn't a great scientist, but saying "left handend people are generally smarter than right handed" is a mere statistical matter

anyway, a lot of players I esteem are left handed, two of them committed suicide so I don't think they were really that smart

>>73762399
I did not even brag about it. i only said it because you started to call me stupid

If you can call me stupid, i can defend myself by correcting you.

And even if i was bragging about it, it would still not make it not true

>>73762399
>Killing yourself means you're not smart
Are you a fucking moron? Do you know how many genius philosophers killed themselves?

Your post is garbage, dude. I don't give a fuck what you're studying. I'm also a billionaire with a 30 inch cock.

The facts are the facts, don't blame me because you're a plebeian righty.

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>>73762399
>>73762399
>You are stupid!!!
>"No, i am actually not stupid"
>HOW DARE YOU BRAG ABOUT YOUR INTELLIGENCE??

>>73762050
"Scooped" mids refers to cutting back on a guitar's midrange, or removing the midrange frequencies from a recording/live tone. Generally, this is done to emphasize the treble and bass frequencies. Scooped mids are most often heard in hard rock and various genres of metal, where accentuated bass adds to the rhythmic attack of the music and higher treble pushes leads above the rest of the mix.

Outside of heavier music, though, scooped mids don't sound as good in a mix. The guitar is essentially a midrange instrument, and sits best in those frequencies overall, especially if there's only one guitar in in the band.

>>73761366
Fucking f chord, have no idea why it's kicking my ass so bad

>>73762519
Barre chords are harder to do in frets that are close to the headstock

>>73762519
>>73762498
a sure sign of lesser intelligence is giving up anonymity on a site in which main its selling point is anonymity

>>73762560
So your argument is basically: "You have a username in a place where most people don't use usernames."

Guess what? i don't have to do what other people do just because other people are doing it

>>73762500
I always play with mids turned to max and I absolutely hate metal music
I feel sick whenever I see a stereotypical looking metalhead

Interesting, DESU

>>73762262
HELP

>>73762589
yes because you stand out of them with your intelligence

>>73762458
>>73762498
I never actually said you are a stupid person
but I should say you're really far from proving me otherwise

>>73762483
whatever then

>>73762621
Anon, are you insecure about your own intelligence and abilities?

I mean, what is the reason you respond to every single post i make trying harass me?

>>73762631
0 arguments: the post.

Righty strikes again

>>73762638
i'm actually intelligent and can see how dumb you are

>>73762638
Fuck off tripfag.

>>73762555
It's one of my fingers, there's a tiny piece of skin that makes fretting it weird, right on the d and a string. It's my ring finger,can't seem to get my finger in the right position

>>73762659
>I am actually intelligent
Why are you bragging about your intelligence anon? usually people who brag about their intelligence aren't smart!!!!

That was your argument from earlier, i'm just using your own argument because i feel like it applies here too

>>73762691
>>73762694
>two whole tripfags
and I thought frooshposting was bad

>>73762694
simply because i am actually smart and you are just a self absorbed kike

>>73762519
acoustic or electric?

try your thumb on the low f on the 1st fret e string ring and pinky on A and D strings, middle on g string, and use index to barre b and high e on 1st fret

>>73762718
Did you ever do a professional IQ test, samuel?

I did 3 of them in the israeli Karni institution, and the results suggest that i'm in the top 1% of the population.

I was tested professionally 3 times so you can't say this was a fluke

>>73762694

dude stop replying to the hate cause you're derailing the thread

>>73762593
Cool, I generally keep my mid at about 45%, treble at 30%, and bass at 60%. I play a sort of aggressive experimental/prog rock with my band, so it makes sense for me to keep my bass a bit higher than my mids while still retaining a presence in the midrange of the mix. The other guitar player in my band scoops the hell out of his mids and then he wonders how my 20w head sounds more prominent live than his 100w combo (although his tone generally compliments mine).

>>73762814
Eh, fine

>>73762813
You're a faggot
You'll never make good music, ya fucking moron

>>73762835
>>73762694
Jesus fuck you're obnoxious, go back to tumblr

>>73762813
no but im thinking of doing one just to laugh at you in front of the entire /gg/
whats your iq?

>>73762831
The only reason I like mids high, is because I like that it gives a sort of "wave" feel. The music becomes a wash, as opposed to punchy

I dislike using pedals and effects, etc, so yeah, for whatever reason, as soon as I started playing I quickly learnt that I liked mids quite high

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What do you guys think about this pedal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjudP59rmM

>>73762845
>>73762880
We got it anon, even if i would just stand and do nothing, you would criticize my breathing and say i'm the most terrible breathing you ever saw

Please stop trying to derail thread, let's talk about guitars

>>73762605
>>73762262

Yes. You will find that the guitar "repeats" itself as it were over strings and frets.

While the backing is the E chord, it is helpful to look at the fretboard as a pentatonic caged system with different hand positions, however it's also limited as described.

Moreover, if all you're soloing over is an E chord, (EBE powerchord), you have plenty more options than the minor pentatonic.

For example, if you start the pentatonic scale shape on the 9th fret rather than on the 12th fret as you normally would, you achieve a major sound. It's a cool way to spice up tired old blues licks.

These 2 shapes are certainly not the only thing you can play over an EBE chord either! Try looking at gypsy and harmonic minor scales.

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>>73762638
every time

>>73762961
>i'm the most terrible breathing you ever saw
thats just how bad at everything you are LOLOLOLOL

>Please stop trying to derail thread, let's talk about guitars
do you mean lets talk about you and your trip?

>>73762961

Looks like a niche piece of crap tbf, I'm gonna stick with my zoom g2.1u and maybe get the latest version of that pedal when a nigga get paid.

>>73762961
overpriced and unusable as gear, more of a toy.

>>73763000

ok trips of truth but still man we all get it, he's a fag using a trip. Let's just try and talk abit about guitar or something that isn't mindless hate, there are other boards for that.

>>73762961
>425

sounds nice, but I can make those FXs in ableton

so, not really

>>73762813
>top 1%
>gay shitposting jew
talk about wasting potential

Is there a way to make a Tele sound like a Jaguar?

>>73762961
You're replying to a different person as well as me, moron.
It's true though, you're beyond stupid.
I mean just read your posts:
>>73762399
>I'm attending a master in biorobotics and prosthetics, neuroscience is kinda my jam
> a lot of players I esteem are left handed, two of them committed suicide so I don't think they were really that smart
I guranfuckingtee you make terrible muzak and are just about mediocre in every conceivable way

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>>73763020
It's very costly, but it's definitely useful for certain purposes imo.

The EHX Superego is another really good sample-based guitar synth (tho it works differently)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDIXaPieofE

>>73763091
Honestly a regular analog delay can do most of the "usable" sounds that that overpriced thing can do. People need to stop treating guitars like synths and realize you can get plenty of crazy and diverse sounds from more traditional gear. All of the big "gearheads" in the industry know this. Stop relying on one trick pony boxes for your sound.

>>73761500
>>73761717
What if I'm left handed but I play right handed because lefty guitars are so much more uncommon

>>73763090
Analog delay doesn't make that sound, anon.

>>73763238
see>>73761864
>>73762267

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>>73762962
Thnx lad

>>73763254
You replied to the wrong person m8

>>73763272
Eh. it was meant for >>73763221

>>73763254
I was talking about sounds you can actually use in a song, and yes good analog delays like say an echo shifter can if you actually know how to use it.

>>73763301
Different sounds are used in different songs.

This sound may not be usable for you, but for someone else, it might be just what he needs

>>73763301
woh, hold the fuck up
did you really expect crazyaga "superior intellect" top lad to make songs ?

>>73763254
you should try using some DAWs and experiment a little IMHO instead of relying on hardware

>>73762364
Cheers!

>>73762389
Hello again friend-o :D What kind of music do you like? Just so I know what to post next time.

>>73763334
>Being this obsessed about me
This is just sad.

>>73763359
where is your music faggot ?

>>73763330
Do you actually think 90% of the sounds coming out of that thing will sound right in a mix? I think maybe in some kinds of music it might, but those kinds of music are far better suited for synths and digital production rather than guitars.

>>73763357
Just post anything but le stereotypical metal thrashing and stupid runs, for fucks sake

Just post some good fucking music. Fuck me! STOP covering songs, and start creating them.

>>73763353
>>73763254
you should avoid pedals as much as possible in my opinion

>>73763368
My soundcloud is Matanken, there are just a few blueprints there.

but honestly any comment from you about my music would be "it's the worst thing i ever heard!!!" regardless of what my music is. this would be your response even if what i composed was literally Beethoven's moonlight sonata

>>73763330
I usually work the other way around: I have a specific sound in my mind, and I spend days trying to achieve it

>>73763396

ok what kind of music do you like though

>>73763396
hey i cover songs, get mad at me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM6wjk_vIIU

>>73763403
so you think you've got any rights to speak on what sounds would fit in a mix without having gone further than "a few blueprints" ?
Where are your actual songs if you're so smart ?

>>73763412
That's kind of what i meant. some people want this type of sounds to create the music they imagine

>>73763441
>so you think you've got any rights to speak on what sounds would fit in a mix without having gone further than "a few blueprints"?

I literally haven't made a single comment in this thread about mixing.

I guess you now moved to the next level: instead of just bullying me for anything i do, now you make shit up and bully me for things i did not do. nice

>>73763418
Too many to be bothered naming

>>73763429
Embarrassing yourself mate
It's all been done!

>>73763429

my face is mmmeeeelllltttiiiiiiinnnggggg.....

Are you in a band dude?

>>73763452
Then get into synths if you want that sound because it is much better suited for it.

>>73763396
>le stereotypical metal thrashing
Is non-stereotypical metal fine ?
See examples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNyKYVIsQ9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFlkwqvOaOo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCHTe-J9h20

>>73763502
synth that is made from a sample is not the same as a synth which is created from the digital signal.

>>73763475
Don't shift the goalposts you cunt. In a mix refers to in a song. There's LOADS of synth sounds that simply do not fit in songs, same for pedals.

>>73763481

Lmao what kind of success do you even have with music for you to warrant giving that kind of criticism?

Also come on name just one band you like

is it linkin park

>>73763491
yeah but we havent rehearsed even once this year, gotta look for another one

>>73763514
You clearly have no idea how they work.

>>73763523
>There's LOADS of synth sounds that simply do not fit in songs

Maybe for your songs, but different sounds fit different artistic purposes.

Something which is not artistically useful for you, doesn't mean its not artistically useful for others

>>73763538
Are you implying that synth which is made from a sample is the same as a synth which is made from a digital signal? if you do, you are wrong.

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>>73761366
Muh Skervesen <3

>>73763564
What are you even talking about?

>>73763564
I think he's trying to say you don't understand how synths works because you compared a "sample" to a synth

have you ever seen a moog

>>73763592
I showed one of the anons here a guitar synth which creates a synth from a sample of the guitar signal, also known as Granular Synthesis.

One of the guys here said its better to just use regular synthesizers, and i responded by saying granular synthesis doesn't sound the same as other types of synthesis

>>73763539
Whipping out the bullshit arguments now are you ?
There's no "utility" in art.

>>73763584
Legit almost jealous. Beautiful guitar regardless.

>>73763539
Please stop Roman.

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>>73763637
Perhaps able to make you more jelly?

>>73763635
Okay?

>>73763612
I did not compare a sample to a synth.
I was talking about granular synthesis, which is the concept of creating a synth from a sound sample

>>73763481

cmon dude

>>73763653
Spot on.

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>>73763637
>There's no "utility" in art.

Are you really making the argument there is no such thing as instruments and sounds that are more useful than others for certain artistic purposes?

That's a very stupid thing to say.

wait does crazyaga not understand what synths are? lmaoooooo

>>73763635
>>73763660

>Granular Synthesis

please tell you haven't rushed to wikipedia to learn a couple big words a post them back here

also, read the full article next time because that's not even how a normal synth, or even that infinite jest, works

are you into electronic music?

>>73763706
Timbre is not utility.

>>73763742
and before you sperg out, I'm sincerely interested in knowing if you enjoy other genres

>>73763504
>Is non-stereotypical metal fine
No. Well, not for me, anyway. It's just not for me.

At the end of the day: Music has to sound good.
It shouldn't be who has the best image, who has the best folklore, who has the best marketing, who has the best haircut, who plays the fastest, who has the best technique, etc.

At the end of the day, it should just fucking sound good.
Now, I realise people have different tastes... but we can, and should, ALL agree, that there is objectively shit music, and the opposite. I'm sick of seeing "music is subjective dude, here check me farting into a microphone bro! It's art bro!" Fuck that!

If you're a musician and you care about your music deeply, then you wouldn't give a fuck what I have to say anyway...

>>73763688
>>73763531
See above. I like too much music but I also hate a lot too, naming a single band wouldn't really matter.

>>73763584
>>73763653
One of the ugliest guitars I've ever seen

>crazyaga Wikipedia skimming intensifies

>>73762593
Kurt is that you

since we're talking since, what's the craziest shit you've done?
how far have you pushed yourself in terms of experimentation and "sound"?

>>73763949
synths

>>73763949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIb7POzi1pM

>>73763889
No, why? Did cocaine say something similar?
It wouldn't surprise me.
He had a clear "vision" for sound, and could probably see past the gimmicky bullshit too.

Stereotypical metal heads are some of the worst musicians on the planet. They claim to be, and have probably deluded themselves into believing they are somehow "unique" or edgy, when in actual fact... they are the biggest posers in music.

Yeah bro! Totally unique bro! Totally! That's why you've all got the same haircut, huh? Oh! And same guitar?! And same licks... same amp. Same everything.

That stereotypical "metal head" look and feel, and people in other genres of that ilk played a HUGE part in absolutely devastating the overall perception non-musicians have of guitar, and guitar music.

They are the enemy

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>>73763949
When I was like 17, I tried playing using solely my thumb

>>73763854
>Music has to sound good.
I think "good" isn't the right word to describe it, I think music should evoke something, attain a purpose/feeling. Maybe we could even say "sound good in a certain frame of reference".

Like if you're listening to gore noise (that's a thing, basically just take any contact mic, bang on some stuff and add distortion to it), clearly the aim of the music isn't the same as funk. The "frame of reference" for that kind of music would be violence, how rough and agressive it is.

I do share your opinion about doing garbage and calling it art. Just because it's novel doesn't mean it's good.

>>73763949
Had some jam playing with delay and "fretting" really high with the pick. Kinda fun but hard to make out anything complex with it.
Native Instrument's FM8 has an option where you can use it as an effect instead of a synth and you can feed it a guitar signal. Sounds kinda like shit though.

>>73764020
>Yeah bro! Totally unique bro! Totally! That's why you've all got the same haircut, huh? Oh! And same guitar?! And same licks... same amp. Same everything.
You'd have a point if this was the 80s but nowadays the genre is pretty diverse.

>>73764020
8/10

>>73763984

Thankyou anon my ears are now bleeding

>>73763949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEk0EUsu5Y

How about the tone of the lead guitar on this? 2 weird?

>>73764113
>How about the tone of the lead guitar on this? 2 weird?
That's just heaps of chorus and a dash of reverb. I'd be more surprised if you whipped out Holdsworth's tone.

>>73764113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO_oe3-6Beg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS32bFgwets

song ive been working on, been playing for a year and a half, also feel free to mire my tones and

>gibson brand gibson


any one else write music here? or perform? most times i browse /gg/ its just circle jerking offsets

>>73764072
Yeah, but the same with these new genres and shit you see now... I don't buy into "Me farting into a microphone is equal to Mozart, bro! cos' music is like, subjective, dude!"... Fuck that.

Anyway, maybe "good" isn't the correct word, no.
I personally try to put myself in the shoes of a non-musician and try as much as possible to listen through their ears. Surely you can remember you as a non-musician and how you perceived music.
I think that's partly a reason why many bands and artists first album is usually some of their best work.
It comes when they are most probably still fairly new to their instrument and being a "musician", they aren't bogged down by expectation and all of these other things that you can and usually get into as a musician.
I'm sure you noticed a change in yourself when you began actually PLAYING an instrument, instead of just listening to music. It's never the same after.

At this early stage, they are able to connect with non-musicians better, in some way, because the days of being just a listener weren't that long ago for them.

Well, that's my belief anyway. I can't be bothered to articulate it properly, since it would take up too much time, etc, but that's a gist.

>>73764083
What do you mean?

>>73764200

haha yeah you and me both pal :'(

>>73764209
Starts to sound like that gay Foo Fighters record
It's also meme metal to the core, as mentioned above in this thread.

Don't be disheartened though, kid. You do as you do and keep progressing...

>>73764209
Also, not bad playing really, for a year and half, anyway.

>>73764113
what I find weird is this alien spamming
I'm not a fan of metal solos, but I guess that's a pretty solid sound

>>73763984
this sounds..weird
flanger and echo+delay?

>>73764064
that's pretty rad

>>73764072
delay can be used effectively when creating complex harmonies and patterns, especially with a little loop

>>73764209
I'm still trying to figure out what's a good creative method when it comes to writing songs

>>73763742
>please tell you haven't rushed to wikipedia to learn a couple big words a post them back here
I didn't. Granular Synthesis isn't even that much of a "big word" espicially considering i posted two granular synthesis pedals in this very thread

>are you into electronic music?
Of course. if i had to name some of my favorite electronic artists, i would name Boards Of Canada, Tim Hecker, Tangerine Dream, The Knife and Autechre

>>73764309
>I'm still trying to figure out what's a good creative method when it comes to writing songs
There is your problem, pleb

Songwriting isn't some fucking homework project...
If you aren't writing because you NEED to write, then don't bother writing at all

>>73764206

holy crap man the first 10 seconds sounds like synthesized wind, fucking awesome!!!!!!!

the rest is melodically really nice, probably went abit wild on the treble? but otherwise somewhat heavenly.

Please talk me through your crazy setup...

>>73764309
I don't remember what I used honest. I know it had phaser and reverb and maybe a few others but iunno.

>>73764276
nah anon i came here for criticism, i cant expect to be meme music genius in such a short amount of time

>>73764341
I've changed my board a lot since then and someone got unusually angry at me last time I posted it.

>>73764379

people get unusually angry here all the time it's hilarious

>>73764309
just find a chord that resonates with you, and work from there, thats what i used to do when i wasnt that fretboard savvy

>>73764020
Kurt loved to turn up the midrange on his amps and he hated "macho" men which I'm sure the stereotypical metalhead would consider them self to be. When he appeared on the headbangers ball in 1991 a month after nevermind got crazy popular, he showed up in a prom dress for the interview, conceivably to piss off the audience

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>>73764385
here you go

>>73764206
Dope. How the fuck do you get there though ? I can make out reverb, flange, I guess there's probably something boosting up the signal too.

>>73764209
Can't really talk about tone when your audio comes from a cheap mic.
I've never wrote anything but I need to get back to it, having some better gear inspires me more.

>>73764215
>Yeah, but the same with these new genres and shit you see now
Bullshit. That's just speaking as someone who never got into the genre. It's like saying My Bloody Valentine and Coaltar of the Deepers sound the same because they're both considered shoegaze.

>>73764309
>delay can be used effectively when creating complex harmonies and patterns, especially with a little loop
Yeah I know, but there I basically used it for texture and to drown out the mistakes a little (getting the exact same note when you're where the 27th fret would be is fucking hard).

>>73764209

You have a really good musical ear for what makes sense. I think the chord progressions at the end worked really well, maybe it would sound better with less of a "busy" right hand as it were, just letting the chords ring out with the distortion.

Pretty good for a year and a half, can you do any melodic lead playing/know any music theory?

>>73763429

I ejaculated

>>73764209
I try to write songs but they just sound like Nirvana and the Offspring but without lyrics LOL

>>73764448
Post your offset you little fag

>>73764209
hot chick
pls have my dick

>>73764456
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Pigtronix/EP2-ENVELOPE-PHASE-Effect-Pedal.gc?cntry=us&source=4WWRWXGP&gclid=Cj0KCQjwnPLKBRC-ARIsAL_JTCwjiyM8oBjrpZ19RbRlxIHBeWCSzbautWSMyoKInu-vvCMMeVZaGj8aAv3hEALw_wcB&kwid=productads-adid^78244844802-device^c-plaid^143210712042-sku^113337742@ADL4GC-adType^PLA

I know this was used and I think a distortion after it and a fuzz before?

>>73761897
start with the classics like dick dale, the ventures, the tornadoes, et al, and then move on to the 80s revivalists like shadowy men on a shadowy planet and laika and the cosmonauts

as far as sound goes, go for bright clean amps with big spring reverbs like a fender or a vox
and guitars with single coils and whammy bars preferably. surf music is pretty standardized and cut and dry but a hell of a lot of fun to play

>>73764520
i have a bigger dick than u lad
also u forgot


>l o n d o n

pretty much every riff i know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfutKZijcbU

>>73764448

holy santa clause's shit

>>73764448
nice
I'm trying to get into pedal boards, right now I'm fine with my ableton setup

>>73764209
how's that RIC you got?

>>73764395
I can find a melody, but when it comes to lyrics and song progression, meh

>>73764338
you're that left handed guy aren't you
I mean sometimes I can find a nice tune but I've got nothing to say I guess
I'd like to be make my production more consistent

>>73764399
Nah, that's just the popular PR talking. Kurt was pretty macho himself and fought often. He was just a hypocrite.

>>73764456
>Bullshit. That's just speaking as someone who never got into the genre
You've misunderstood what I mean't, that's all.
Can't be bothered to explain so we'll agree to disagree anyway.

>>73764376
Alright, lad. Well fair play

>>73764458
thanks anon, im only playing the chords faster because of volume issues, if i had my amp cranked id let them ring out for hours

and yes im pretty alright at melodic playing, i know my way around the fretboard and can push out some nice phrases when im in the zone, and fairly basic but i can read and write music at a beginner level

>>73764485
learn some major 7th chords and just jazz out my man

>>73764537
lol no dude, 3 inches aint bigger than most dicks

>>73764572
Hahahaha of course the "le i'm a neuroscientist in college from a stable home with two great parents" has nothing to write about.

You can't make this shit up

>>73764572
its fantastic, its a 1978 4001, proper flat fretboard so lou barlow chord slamming works fantastically
>>73764572
and i used to get this, its about just coming up with alot of ideas that sound similar and then trying to bridge the gaps to make them cohesive, some parts work and some dont, but the practice of doing this will definitely help you write songs

>>73764338
you're full of bullshit

playing guitar isn't some fucking homework project...
if you aren't playing because you CAN play, then dont bother playing at all...

My fucking captcha "I'm not a robot" thing was literally my fucking name

What the fuck

What the fuck are google doing????

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>>73764448
nice.

My pedals are the ones in pic related (i can't take a picture of my pedalboard atm since i don't have a camera here right now)

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>>73764600
fug u got me

>>73764113
tone sounds alienish

>>73764634
Yeah, that doesn't really make sense
What I mean is:
You can sit down and treat songwriting like it's some homework project if you want, and you'll end up writing some worthless garbage

You can sit down and play guitar with no real intention or drive if you want, but you'll play like a fucking retard or a robot

If you have nothing to say, then just don't fucking bother... unless you're happy with being an entertainer akin to Beyonce, or One direction or something

>>73764456
yeah it was more sarcasm than anything bc of my phone mic and background noise lol, but i can assure you i am

>a tone aficionado

Who here /tritone/

>listened to Black Sabbath once
>am now trying to fit tritones into my compositions for the spoopy factor

>>73764642
Had a context but traded it for the timebender. Don't regret it but would buy it again. Not a fan of the rest.

>>73764681
>You can sit down and play guitar with no real intention or drive if you want, but you'll play like a fucking retard or a robot
no you will not if you practiced

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>>73761366
Is the Fender Standard Jazz Bass too big a leap if I want to buy my first "legit" bass?

I've been using one of those shitty "rookie" bass guitars for and have been practicing and training with it for basically every day for 7 years and it's starting to break now, and I want to make the leap, and it's the one I've been looking at the most. Is it too big a leap or is it a good leap enough?

>>73764618
well it's a little more complex than that
it's just that I think no one will ever care about what I've got to say or what I think so why even bother, I like playing so I guess for now I will just accept it

I'm not a neuroscientist anyway
its so post modern of you thinking that an education and a solid family will grant you a happy life, but I guess only lefties are allowed a life of fame and depression

>>73764724
>7 years
go for it, you're more than deserving it.

>>73764690
>Tritone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9jQmvynpTQ

>>73764707
The Belle Epoch is an amazing pedal tho
Skip 7 minutes into this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkfPCX0vNwA

>>73764724
nah, go full pickle if you can, my 1st bass was a mexican fender jazz, and it was alright, pickups were shit and then i upgraded to a 1985 mij jazz special, absolutely NIGHT and DAY difference, literally neck of gods, and ive had the same experience with jap/us fenders ever since basically any fender thats not a mexican will sort you out for life

>>73764632
hows the sound?
mine is a 4003 and the pickups are kinda low, I have a dedicated amp since it's such a pain in the ass finding the right sound spot

but that treble and sustain

>>73764572
What's your ableton setup famalam?

>>73764754
was great when it first came out but it doesn't really have a place in today's gear climate. If you want a high grade tape echo buy an el capistan and if you don't care get a memory man for cheap.

>>73764771
the bridge is monstrous, nails that trebbley punch you hear on rush records and all of that, but the neck is quite disappointing, its very midrangey and unarticulated in general, works in a mix but doesnt have any character


but i totally feel you, i have a dedicated trace elliot just for it, it has a mid cut button that basically turns my ric into a lazer beam

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>>73764805
From the demos i heard, i liked the Belle Epoch much more than the El Capistan.

I actually liked the Empress Tape Delay more than the El Capistan too

Btw, have you seen the new Belle Epoch deluxe? the wiring of it is literally a replica of a real ep-3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRTAOCnPMf0

>>73764596

Nice :) What do you use to record?

>>73763584
Ok mr Joel’s photography corner

>>73764836
for that money I'd just get a dd 500. At least then I'd have more versatility.

>>73764843
i use an sm58, or a di straight into my trace, but i broke adaptor so im just doing phone recordings till i can get a job and buy a new one, do you do any recordings?

>>73764209
post moar

>>73764878
The Belle Epoch deluxe is more versatile than it first seems, it has 6 modes with different sounds, including analog delay sound, chorus delay, vibrato delay etc (Actually the regular Belle Epoch has a secret vibrato mode too, but in the deluxe version the Vibrato is not an hidden setting)

Each to their own though man. that's why it's a good thing there is a large variety of pedals to choose from, everyone like different things.

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>>73764895

Yeah I've been shilling over the past couple of threads... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEk0EUsu5Y

I need to save up for an some better equipment... I'm using Audacity and an olympus me51 mic (got it for like £30... does the job lol).

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>>73764819
I never ever even touched that pickup switch, it's always in mid position
I agree, that sound is unique and there's no other bass like it

>>73764795
what's a famalam?

guitar goes into a wah pedal (not shown in pic) and then into a Roland RE-201
everything's plugged into a lexicon alpha that goes into ableton

I usually have different channels with pre made effects, pretty much like a pedal board: overdrive, fuzz, flanger, sine erosion, etc
I got some VST and other various plugins when it comes to particular sounds

and then I try and mix them together when I'm recording a song

>>73764967
Famalam = Family = Another way to say "bro"

>>73764930
still dd 500 or a timefactor would be a way better investment. I don't see catalinbread lasting much longer in this market. They don't innovate enough to get the gearheads and too niche for the average player. Sure a few people use things like the dsp but that won't be enough say 5 years down the line.

>>73764906
thank u for appreciating it my guy, but i dont have any more, i do have a soundcloud if youd like but id feel gay posting it

>>73764950

this is cool shit lol, it sounds like a chuck schuldiner solo but jazzier, how long have you been playing?

>>73764996
I love catalinbread and you don't, it's all cool man

Different gear for different people, if everyone liked the same things the world would have been boring

>>73764739
>fame
>having anything to do with the creation of good music

You're a fucking moron mate

>>73764967
that is a very pretty ricc, but i highly recommend putting it on the bridge pickup and really digging in with your fingers

>>73765013

10 years that's all I have to show for it (In a band as well and we gig occasionally). You're alot better 1 and a half years in than I was at that duration, keep at it! :P

>>73765013
pls feel gay, post your ass

>>73764996
Also i dunno why you are saying Catalinbread aren't "innovating enough".

There isn't another tape delay pedal that is like the Belle Epoch deluxe, and they have a bunch of creative pedals like the Karma Suture

>>73765042
i was going to say, your phrasing is very natural so im not suprised youve been playing so long, but thanks anon i practice more than i go outside so its nice to get some appreciation

>>73765018
I'm just saying at this pace there really isn't much of a place in the market for them. They aren't making things people really want or are just following trends that other companies have done. Most of their products now have better established brands that have better word of mouth repping them.

>>73765110
> just following trends that other companies have done

Name another company that made something like the Belle Epoch deluxe, where you have multiple modes of different delay types with the base of an ep-3 voicing.

there isn't, so stop saying things that are not true

>>73761366

hi friends, looking for some advice on a few things:

1. has anyone tried out a Roland JC90? using a fender hot rod deluxe and I'm not totally content with the tone.

2. rat distortions? are the newer models even worth checking out vs. the vintage models?

3. phaser pedals. any suggestions on decent ones? it's an effect I've yet to fuck with and i'm very curious what ppl think the best phaser pedals are.

>>73765150
>>73765110
gonna have to agree with crazy yoghurt, the belle epoch is exceptional for what it is and you cant really get much better at that price point

>>73765090
How many people do you see using things like the Karma Suture though? I never see discussion on it. I never see people using it outside of demos. I've never met someone who has had it on their board. They have a long ways to fall but they are def falling from where they once were.

>>73765164
yes, jc90 is has p nice cleans, very sterile which i like, but sterile in a very 1980s clean amp way

and the new rats are shit, get an old one

>>73765190
Popularity != Quality

>>73765150
That's one product, and it hardly has made the same amount of hype waves that actual successful pedals have made.

>>73765201
I've never said anything about how good they are. Just that the market isn't really there.

>>73765220
Catalinbread aren't Boss, Strymon or Digitech

They are more niche and they always were like that. Idk what the fuck is your issue with them

>>73765171
It's still been overshadowed by the el capistan and newer multidelay machines nowadays.

>>73765273
I like the Belle Epoch more than the El Capistan.

Different pedals for different people. the pedal market isn't meant for just one company to dominate everything

>>73765267
They used to be strymon level. There was a time where a belle epoch was on EVERY board. They have failed to innovate since and have really fallen and will continue to do so.

>>73765040
wow are you still here?
I thought you left
(got it? because you're LEFT handed)
I described the stereotypical rockstar dude, since from your last post you said "nothing good will ever come from a guy with the loving parents who goes to college" and that's pretty clichè when it comes to songwriting

my original point is that is somewhat hard to turn a little jamming session into something you would call a song: and I'm not even talking about just writing, but more about recording it, producing it
and I always do it alone, so

you sound like a decent guy trying too hard to shitpost, too bad

>>73765150
Dunno, I've always been skeptic when it comes to putting too much shit in one thing
seems versatile, but if you want to use a proper "chain reaction" fx it's probably better to use separate pedals?

>>73765296
>They used to be strymon level
Wtf that's just not true. Strymon was always more popular than Catalinbread

>They have failed to innovate since
Which is why they are making pedals right now that no other pedal manufacture is making? come on now.

Stop acting as if Strymon and Boss are the most innovative pedal makers on the planet

>>73764554
If I have clicked on this link 3 times now, others have probably done the same. I hope you're not basking in your views because two thirds or more are just repeats.

>>73765321
not views but for actually watching

>>73765320
I don't like either company all too much, but catalinbread has been making pedals for a lot longer than strymon. And they really aren't making the waves they need. This new belle epoch is neat I guess but honestly98% of their current lineup are things others have done better.

>>73765302
I never said nothing good will come of it. Stop lying.

My point was: You, and people like you, generally, have nothing worthwhile to say. Music isn't your everything, you have things to fall back on. You aren't, uhhhh, troubled... in the same, or even similar, ways.
It's something of a hobby to you, and probably always will be.

Also, I don't get why you plebs think you can just sit down and say "Okay buddy, let's write a song hehehe!!!" as if it's some school project or something.
If inspiration comes to you, then write.
I mean, you can do whatever you want, just don't wonder why it sucks cock.

And I'm not shit-posting, this is my opinion, but you'll find I'm correct about much of what I've said.

You can do whatever the fuck you want anyway, though.

>>73765406

lol you really need to post something you've made, fucking Hanz Zimmer over here

>>73765401
They are a niche pedal manufacture which makes high quality pedals. that's all i have to say.

You seem to not be a huge fan of them, which is 100% fine man.

>>73765194
how is the chorus/distortion on the JC90?

>>73765406
Not him, and not partaking in the discussion, but there is nothing wrong with music not being your everything. Everyone is in a different situation and everyone creates for a different reason.

>>73764209
post moar of your looks

>>73765107

Cheers man :) I always had an ok ear from playing music at an earlier age. Do you /have you played in any bands?

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I've played guitar since I was a kid, and dropped it a few months ago
I've been fantasizing about getting a bass for a while now, it seems so fun to play. Is it as cool as it seems?
Never been in a band and playing guitar alone became boring / felt like jerking off
Bass seems really fun to play along with your fave songs... you can even turn tweek the EQ so the bass frequencies become almost mute so you don't play on top of the recorded bass, amirite?

>>73765428
They weren't even that niche before, and any niche that they can occupy now are already occupied and they aren't doing enough to create their own.

>>73765427
>Hanz Zimmer
Who? You mean the mediocre "vwarrrrrrrppppp" movie soundtrack guy?
Jesus, you people have no taste and a very narrow knowledge of music.

>>73765438
Fuck that
There are too many hobbyists with nothing to say, no real purpose already

>>73765504

You will say anything to deflect from the fact that you have nothing to contribute.

>>73765528
If you insist

>>73765477
yeah ive played in a few bands, ive actually just started a new one and were doing red house painters covers and pedal mashing, the only local scene where i live is pop punk so business is slow

>>73765488
yes, this happened to me, i found bass much more rewarding than guitar and ended up coming back to guitar years later and picked it up alot easier, still prefer bass though

>>73765444
nice trips, but im afraid the only ''''looks''' youre getting is from that vid

>>73765488
I've always preferred it because of how versatile it is in synergy with the other instruments. Of course they all work together, but with the bass you can back up, you can jam with the drums, you can lead, whatever. To me it was always more interesting because of that. It's hard for me to describe it as you can tell but I love it.

>>73765504
Okay.
I would argue that it's more important to focus on yourself and to not give a shit about what "hobbyists" or others do/think, but I won't knock you for thinking that. You do you, and I mean that, not trying to shitpost or anything. I hope you reach the goals you've set up for yourself.

>>73765495
Fucl off honestly, Catalinbread have been taking plenty of risks and they did plenty of different things that other companies don't do.

Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekFPhOd-No

It's a pedal i won't use personally, but you cannot deny it's something different and that no one else did.

They also made the Montavillian
delay which has a unique voicing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMwtpDE1nx4

So fuck off. Catalinbread have been taking risks

>>73764209
iz dat da mothafuckin metal head jonny depp nigga?

>>73765562
*but you cannot deny it's something different and that no one else did something like this

>>73765488

bass will always cut through the douchebag guitarists ;P

>>73765560
I surpassed my goals long ago
Also, this is a board for the discussion of music. What are you talking about?

>>73764209
>>73764596
that's really great for one year and a half. keep doing it! your tone sounds ok, whats the amp, and pedals if any?

heres a random video of mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkn8EE1AbvI

>>73765406
I don't necessarily think music, or any art form whatsoever, could be channeled only with emotions like pain, sadness and torment
and I still don't get what you mean with "people like me"


I never approached songwriting as a duty or a task to complete, I'd like to be more consistent and prolific when it comes to songwriting

I bet your favourite artist isn't mac de marco

>>73765488
bass is a fundamental instrument
works on so many level, melody, rhythm, tone and feel of the song

>>73765553
>nice trips, but im afraid the only ''''looks''' youre getting is from that vid
oh no

>>73765621

bro, he's a troll lol

u just paid the troll toll

>>73765562
https://reverb.com/news/the-best-selling-pedals-of-2016

They used to be way higher than jhs, keeley, walrus, eqd and just about every other company on that list. The sft used to be huge.

They just aren't making what people want anymore. Also why would I buy the first one over a radical delay (which came out before) or buy the second one over literally any analog delay that can do self oscillation?

>>73765621
>I don't necessarily think music, or any art form whatsoever, could be channeled only with emotions like pain, sadness and torment
Neither do I. Nevertheless, tormented people are happier on days they are not sad moreso than people who are always "level" or happy/whatever.
Extremely high highs, but mainly crushing lows...instead of a constant level middle ground of mediocrity.
Rest of your post doesn't make sense so whatever

>>73765670
Not at all
I'm probably an "asshole" though

>>73765607
thank u anon, and dw the tone thing was a joke, but i use a 1981 trace elliot gp11 and a boss ce-5 for my 80s tonez

and thats a really nice strat, really tasteful riffing too my man, especially that lick at 4:10

>>73765577
ur too kind

>>73764209
Where are you from lad
And how old are ya

>>73765700
I don't care that they are 18 on the list.

>They just aren't making what people want anymore
Not all people want the same things. some people want Catalinbread pedals and some people don't. you can never please everyone.

It's true many of the more recent pedals they made are more niche, but it doesn't mean they are bad. Also the Belle Epoch deluxe is probably the most hype they had for a pedal since the regular Belle Epoch came out. it didn't come out yet but it comes out this month

Don't judge a pedal manufacture by how many units they sell

>>73765773
19 uk my gent

>asl?
>m
>stranger disconnects

>>73765700
Also the reason your statement "They just aren't making what people want anymore" particularly irks me, is because its just a gross generalization.

I'm a person and i want catalinbread pedals, and many other people people do.

You should have written: "Many of their recent pedals are much more niche and don't have a large mainstream appeal"

>>73765808
Yeah I saw on your band fb page. I'm not far away laddy. Might come to one of your shows and throw a bottle of piss at you

>>73765817
If that were the case the belle epoch and sft would still be huge, but they aren't and they've failed to retaliate.

>>73765855

raper detected

>>73765857
The Belle Epoch still sounds exactly the same as it sounded 3 years ago.

Watch this demo from last year comparing various Tape Delay pedals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=729c1YkDyWc

Look at all the people in the comments who say the Belle Epoch was their favorite tape emulation pedal

>>73765855
is this jordan ''99p store peter steel'' dibben?

>>73764209
I write and perform music, but I'm always too intimidated to videos post in these threads unless someone REALLY shows interest. I've been playing for nearly 12 years and play in a band.

>>73765935
Who the fuck is that
What do you mean?

>>73765949

what's the worst that could happen? Plenty of people have posted vids, even if someone is harsh, so what it's 4chan.

>>73765904
Convince me to not buy a Marshall jcm 2000 dsl 201 by recommending me another tube amp with...

>FX loop
>2 (or more) channels
>3 band EQ

...for under $500

>>73765949
>Wants to be a musician
>Doesn't understand the job description or what it actually entails

Lmao

>>73765716
yeah you tell me
I suffer from depression and that never helped me writing a song

>>73765904
>youtube comments

I haven't seen a single person express hype on the deluxe except for you. Better get it because it's going to be a collector's item in 10 years! Simple fact is that it has long been replaced in it's spot in the market, just as the company has. Fun fact: if you see Guitar Center selling products new from a company, they aren't very niche nor are they a passion project.

>>73765951
no worries lad, but if you throw piss on me ill tell ur mum

>>73765949 post some anon, 12 years of playing cant be bad, besides it keeps these threads fun when more people get involved

>>73765990
>I suffer from depression and that never helped me writing a song
Jesus Christ, are people really this stupid?

>>73765992
Here, have 70 pages of forum discussion with people hyped about the Belle Epoch deluxe:

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/catalinbread-belle-epoch-deluxe.1777415/

The fact people don't talk about catalinbread in your particular bubble of musicians doesn't mean others don't talk about it too

>>73765987
I mean, I'm already a musician. And /gg/ is really the only place I don't post my own videos. I use other social media platforms; recently started posting to Instagram a lot more and there seems to be some interest.

>>73766008
You don't look 19, you're still in school I reckon. And the rest of your band look like rent boys, sort them out

>>73766090
Then whats your fucking problem, bro?
I'm interested now, so post something.

>>73766028
The belle epoche deluxe looks like a good pedal from what I've seen/heard. Heard good things.

>>73766095
nah legit, im 20 in 2 months, i get this alot people think im 16 or something

and ik lad but what can u do, at least you cant see the other guitarists shoes

>theyre airwalks

>>73764853
hahaha who is this mysterious 4chan

>>73766146
I don't blame them and ye fair enough, it's not easy nowadays
Got to make do

can someone help me figure out what the guitar player is doing in this song? Not James Taylor & his acoustic, but the electric player please. thank you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giB8gZ2L6hA

>>73766008
>>73766124
Okay, well, here's my band. Will post more if interest is sufficiently piqued.
https://youtu.be/pdv2D094Saw

And this is me:
https://youtu.be/zNsqkCSiJHM

question whats the name of those guitars that look like its only a neck

>>73762961
The pedal is cool, but if you want your guitar to sound like a synth just get synth in the first place.

>>73766302
Gimmicks

>>73766272
>black guy with an RG

anon why have you been hiding this

this is some good shit for real

>>73766028
I seriously doubt a non stereo big box delay will make any waves for most gear enthusiasts .

>>73766313
i dont care just need an image for a friend

>>73766272
Alright
Not my cup of tea but don't see why you didn't post it before or whatever

>>73766315
I've actually posted that video once before haha. But only once.

>>73766272
also really nice strat, smooth playing too, that tap thing you did was nutty

Great performance energy, absolute shit recording though, sadly.

Maybe next time tell one of your friends to bring a better recording equipment so youll be able to upload to youtube better live videos???

>>73766328
do you mean headless guitars like steinbergers?

>>73766353
meant for >>73766272

>>73766353
Who?

>>73766367

not 4 u
>>73766327
for u

>>73764836
Might upgrade from my regular belle epoch.

>>73766376
meant for >>73766272

:v

>>73766322
Stereo is great but there is still a place for mono pedals.

The Belle Epoch sounds better than the El Cap without being stereo

>>73766272

Your vid is badass!

>>73766372
Cool, yeah, that was shot on an HD camera but the mic in it wasn't the greatest. I've also had some issues with the sound at that venue in general.

Here's a better audio recording:
https://youtu.be/62Vhj_8R8MI

>>73766416
Thank you! Here's another, playing a newer original song here. Kind of fell on my ass around the second chorus:

https://youtu.be/6v4R3voGAKM

>>73766341
Thank you, it's a Guthrie Govan lick from his track "Wonderful Slippery Thing".

>>73766460
>Making the crowd clap to a song which is played at 5/4

LOL

>>73766272
>>73766460
Good shit man

>>73766612
Thanks.

I've started writing most of the band's music lately. New stuff sounds like Radiohead meets The Mars Volta meets free jazz.

>>73766590
I know, the idea is to see if we can get the audience to clap to a polyrhythm. It actually worked at our last show.

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>>73761500
Right? I mean, wouldn't it make more sense to use your main hand to control the fret board? The right handed shills need to fuck off the internet.

>>73763238
It means you're a dexterity traitor that should be sent to a reeducation camp before being shot in the back of the head 1984 style

>>73767332
>Leaving them the option of open casket
Pleb

>be me
>planning on buying amp for a few months now
>finally have the money
>go to sweetwater
>they raised the price

fucking pissed. I thought they would have sales for 4th of july, why are they raising all the prices all the sudden?

their jewing just missed them out on thousands of dollars in sales today...

>>73767117
>>73767117
>>73767117