/prod/ general

How do I get out of creating these grimdark edgy minor melodies

https://clyp.it/q5yw15yv for instance

Now cxompare that to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQnC1UHBvWA - this is still clearly a minor-feeling track, but it's much more uplifting than my edgy clyp.it melody


Do I need to get into modes? Is it a matter of chord progression?

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Wanted to make a dark dirty electronic track, looking forward to any feedback:

https://clyp.it/n1p2nmz0

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https://clyp.it/wtt5nta5

true norwegian occult shit

>>73744779
Nevermind, I just realized that the entire thing is actually in C major

not sure why I was so certain that it's some minor scale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEk0EUsu5Y

rate/critique please

>>73744947

donkelicious intro

i didn't much like how the mixing of the 2 rhythms took place but then thats just my opinion.

The rest of it was really interesting though I listened til the end.

>>73745020
that would get a crowd going mental

>>73744779
start learning the chord progressions of the songs you like & use em

songs like this usually focus heavily on the 4 and just move around from it like 4 3 6 or 4 5 6

https://clyp.it/ny203igw

just wanted to get some layers going

what volume do you mix on?

What's a good high quality 25 key midi controller? I use an Akai mpk mini, and it works but I'm in a much better space financially now than when I bought it so now I want a higher quality piece.

>>73745871
I bought that one on friday and the high F stopped working later that night. even told the guy in the store that I had 0 faith in this piece of shit, but that launchkey thing, remarkably, felt even shittier.

Where do I fucking start with learning how to mix my songs? Seems like a really steep learning curve.

>>73744426
so is there not a new sticky or is this shite op

>>73745369
not what /prod/ is for
got damn that was quiet wtf

>>73745818
multiple like you always should

>>73745871
komplete kontrol is all i know of that's not completely shitty quality in that size.

>>73746331
/r/audioengineering

recording revolution on youtube if you're completely clueless

youtube for explanations of what compressors/limiters and the basic tools do until you have a good handle

gain staging

USE REFERENCE TRACKS

it's really not that hard to sound decent once you know the basics

>>73745810
decent start lol. post once you have something more complete man

>>73744947
intro was far too long imo. didn't start to find it compelling until the last minute and by that time it was sapped of excitement by the repition honestly. nice sounds but the song is lacking honestly

>>73745020
the organ is not my taste so i can not comment on that

terrible tone no definition. desu it wouldn't be surprising if that wasn't a guitar. drums aren't too bad

>>73746508
Its done, dude. Youre welcome.

>>73746331
>>73746508
Thanks fampai, I'll look at that channel.

>>73746513
thanks(?) links were useless anyway i guess

>>73744426
>https://clyp.it/hos2wly4

kind of boring but i'm not into this style so idk

on the 7 and 8 it sounds like everything is supposed to snap closed and let the drums do something interesting!

>>73746508
It's shite m8 I dont have the sticky so i made it up

>>73744426
deer forest is a classic sample

>>73744947
good base sounds, but too clean for what you're going for. try more compression on the mix bus and get some saturation/EQ.
>>73745020
custom Doom WAD-tier


https://clyp.it/kpm4myyb

yungg nigga yung nigga yung nigga
(chorus: Yung nigga)

what are the best logic pro x tutorials? lookin to make /bleep/ if that helps

https://clyp.it/2wcsa5q5


How do you guys feel about this track so far?
Been working on it for a while and i'm in a bit of a block. Any kind of feedback would be a great help.

>>73747148
what did you ghost chain that pad? sounds pretty distracting

needs a melody or something more for interest

drum variations on the right track but are a little too exagerated

>>73748116
track could have easily started 40 seconds in

I like this style but there's not enough forward movement as is

can yall nibbas give me feedback on the mixing of this track

https://clyp.it/te1aplnk

thanks

>>73748796
listening right now and that's definitely over compressed....

low pass on that lower synth needs to snap up faster and goes a little too far down

those other vocal samples around 2:15 and 2:40 need to be further back imo

a lot more seperation in the high end

I like this track bro. How did you process those vocals? sounds like something you could get resampling beat reapeat in ableton with heavy chorus

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>>73748876
the vocals in the end? It's me yelling at my laptop with some reverb and extreme compression. I actually stole the settings from a Machinedrum Ableton set and changed it to work with my track. By lower synth you mean the bass?

>>73748978
Yeh bass. It just loses its presence

Iiiii meant those *main* vocal samples going throughout

>>73749011
I assume it's the woman-y voice, I use grain delay with +12 pitch and a frequency shifter (and some compression). Thanks for the feedback my dude

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found the bad and boujee vocals and started having fun with it today, cooked up a G-house beat still needs a lot of space filled but shits gangsta, mixed on headphones so probably not perfect levels

https://clyp.it/fn3wm32a

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>>73744426
I think the stereo imaging can be a bit more present, especially in the first few bars before the beat kicks in. The sub sounds a bit reverb-ish - possibly tighten that up and cut some lows out of your main melody aspects and synths and that should improve you mix. sounds good tho.

>>73744779
>https://clyp.it/q5yw15yv

too short to really judge, but i think if you use more "expressive?" sounds it will turn out a lot more. it sounds as if you just clicked the first stock preset for every instrument. maybe post a longer version.

>>73744947
I like the static frizz on the end of the kicks. overall sounds way too muddy though and the beat never "hits". you should start out the same but have the whole song come towards you gradually and after 8 bars of it coming closer drop the beat and bring the high end back in for a bit will really add huge dynamic to this track.

>>73745020
you should just remake this with an actual punk metal band and it would be wonderful

>>73745810
good layers, but they are all too similar in frequency and panning, spread them out more and EQ them all differently and your layers will be more "layered". Keep it up tho

>>73747148
i like this a lot, but it almost seems a bit too lo-fi. I enjoy the whole lo-fi/wave genre thats going on but i feel like some of the flavour of your track is lost by being too muffled away.

>>73748116
I think we would collab nicely, we should really send each other track ideas. I love your track. I like to make cute, simplistic shit too.

>>73748796
you need a sub and maybe some 808's and you'll be a lot more closer to finished. nice work tho. but really needs some bass.

>>73749104
>https://clyp.it/fn3wm32a
hah, thats fun lol. where'd you get these vocals? I would love to play around with them. Your overall mix seems a little low, but evenly mixed so far.
https://clyp.it/fc4pzvq3

here is a small idea i started today, going to be the last of the 4 track EP i am making for the end of the summer.

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>>73749430
i ran out of space, incase the last post is confusing - here is my link again.

https://clyp.it/fc4pzvq3

>>73749430
>>73748116
I'd love to collab! You got a soundcloud or some other way I could contact you?

>>73749955
no not yet, i am still thinking of an artist name, do you have a throw-away email i can reach you at?

https://clyp.it/zbsr1pzj

fellas, i need some thoughts on this!

>>73750752
well that lead screams daft punk
i actually think this can stand to be a lot slower

why is /prod/ so dead? <.<

>>73751878
actually i was copying Justice.

/pord/ has been slowly dying this past year. very sad.

>>73752272
Eh I can see that
I was thinking homework era

It seems to oscillate between very lively and dead like this with regularity

>>73750752
If you want that to sound more Justice you'll want to add a very distorted bass under that lead, like sort of pack it un a saturation sausage>>73751878

>>73750752
I think it would be dope if the drums cut through the mix a bit more, like some compression or volume automation on the bass and synth, and a itny bit of saturation on the drums. After the low pass sweepy part you could add some more high end frequencies like some hats or something. Synths are dope tho

>>73751878
Because you use emoticons on /mu/

>>73744426
where's the pastebin?

Could get an ipad pro fairly cheap. Would like to incorporate it into my production. Is it only a gadget or actually worth it? Feel like it could innovate my workflow. I use ableton and maschine mk1

If I were to buy Ableton Live, which version should I buy?

Hello is my track too low-heavy do you think lads

https://clyp.it/k5ulkeno

>>73753026
emojies*

>>73754934
maybe a bit
did you eq everything and cut the mud?

>>73754959
I wanted a generally muddier sound. I cut mids for the start of the track but they come back at 15-20 secs

how can I best flesh this out?!

https://clyp.it/mdifynpv

https://clyp.it/mq2ku1ct
What do you think guys? Completely synthesized in operator (except white noize)

https://clyp.it/c0yf4fa3

I know that the vocals are pretty quiet and off beat occasionally, ill fix it in the final release. just wanna see what you all think of the rough draft.

>>73744947
intro is a little long, but you got a good sound going
>>73744426
feelin it
>>73750752
hell fuckin yeah dude I love it desu, bass would be a nice addition
>>73755985
the hissing sound at the beginning is pretty ear piercing, good beat tho

bumping this thread because it's about to die and the prodders aren't in yet

>>73754889
anyone?

Been making my way through a mixing tutorial, walk thru of a song and its invaluable to do, learnt so much taking notes etc. Now I know how the pros do it

>>73757931
The latest one

>>73758024
i meant intro vs standard vs suite

im fairly sure intro would be sufficient but not positive

>>73758036
Why don't you look up the specs and see? Best to get the best one so 3 months down the line you're looking up something you want to do and can't because you have the weak, watered down version and you look in the mirror and see an impotent pussy

>>73758036
Intro is a no get standard at least

It just depends if you want the instruments it gives you in suite. If you're into dim or experimental shit get suite. If not then whatever, though I think sampler is pretty great (iirc it doesn't come with standard)

>>73758075
its like $750 lmao i'm not nearly serious enough about this to drop that much
>>73758080
really im just trying to make some bleep, i guess i should at least consider standard

>>73758107
Well last I checked intro limits you to like 4 tracks or whatever and makes it competent useless if you're serious

>>73758107
>i'm not nearly serious enough about this

Don't bother if you're not serious. You literally can't make a good song if you're not putting everything into it. There are tens of thousands of guys out there getting nowhere because they're half assing it, not to mention the guys that never finish anything

>>73758140
I mean if he just wants to dick around that's fine for fun lol. Maybe he'll grow to love it

(Just don't shit up /prod/)

>>73755094

any feedback on this?

>>73758327
Its terrible, you're clearly not a musician and should give up, you're not fooling anyone.

>>73755094
musics completely boring honestly

cut out the first minute and a half

learn to use velocity, kick needs to be a harder sample or snare needs to be softer because the vibe of this song isn't really consistent (isn't supposed to be soft)

sounds like you're using m1 presets

>>73758384
y

>>73758508

>isn't supposed to be soft
what are you trying to say? I want the track to be mellow.

>learn to use velocity
I can see how you'd think I don't know how to use basic DAW functions, but I'm going for a crude sound and don't want to rely on dynamics so much. I'll just stick with your other feedback for now

cheers anyway, I'll work on it more. should have told you it's a WIP

>>73758508 you're bitter about something in your personal life, I can tell

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How many of you /prod/ders have euro rack modules? Let's talk some euro.q

what software should i use to make trance music?

>>73759381
>>isn't supposed to be soft
(isn't it supposed to be soft**)

mb, yes i meant mellow

>>73759464
lol i can only imagine your dissapointment in trying to discuss this shit here

gotten any cool sounds out of it to share?

>>73759638
any daw will do fine

>>73758107
if you want to buy suite for cheaper buy a second hand licence from kvr or just pirate it

>>73759651

>lol i can only imagine your dissapointment in trying to discuss this shit here
Well I've noticed a couple of anons that post here have euro rack modules in their setup so they might want to discuss them although I'm guessing the usual frosty responses to hardware will be x9000

>gotten any cool sounds out of it to share?
Got some interesting bass from it and lots of dolphin/bird chirping noises so far. I've just got the 4ms Atoner and Befaco output module that I'll hopefully build over the weekend.

What's the best pop filter for a cheap budget yo.

>>73760461
Stretch a pair of ya mothers stockings over a coat hanger yo

>>73760461
Say it don't spray it yo

>>73760461
Pencil rubber banned on mic grill

Guys, is hardware overrated? I can say using hardware (spent over $5000) improved my production just a little bit, but I still suck at making music.

>>73761027
anybody who uses hardware will be inclined to justify the money they spent and say it was worth it

sound wise, yes it's overrated
workflow wise, it's whatever works for you

(jfc $5000 of gear would be a dream wtf)

i don't understand how you invest that much without knowing what you're doing desu unless you're in an established career and nothing better to do lol

>>73761027
yes but its more fun than staring at a screen

>>73761027
yes hardware won't make you any good at music
what did you actually spend those money on

general question what would you guys like to hear more of in production of hip-hop/EDM

>>73761127

I went the hardware route cause I thought workflow and jamming would be more fun and easier. I'm just do ing it for fun, not in it to get myself out there.

>>73761180

I agree

>>73761212

Using hardware improved my workflow and music just a little bit, but i'm still terrible at it. I bought like 4 Elektron machines, pretty awesome machines. They're fun to to experiment and jam with, and also can do so much.

>>73761273
Actually recorded instruments. Mostly stringed but stuff like saxophones too.

>>73761273
lol

>>73761273
I want to hear YOU, my dude. I want to hear ur style. I want to hear your unique perspective on hip-hop/edm/music/emotions/life in general and everything in between...

Do us proud anon.

>>73761273
actually being good and more experimenting just like every other genre....

>>73761389
except everybody thinks their generic music is that

and or it's poorly expressed :^(

>>73761389
I actually don't make music I just wanted to hear producers perspective on it. That being said thanks anon :3c

>>73761414
>except everybody thinks their generic music is that
Some delude themselves.
It's your job to call yourself out on this shit. Be real, be yourself. Be what they can't be because they are separated from their true selfs

>>73761318
since you have money to spend I hope you have good monitors and did acoustic treatment to your room
then I suggest you listen to a shitload of music and try to analyze it and learn to play the keys and music theory

>>73761476
My inner edge lord wants to say maybe deep down most people can only offer bland music

I think it's mostly to do with preconceived ideas of what your music should be and your own self image

I do sometimes go for a certain emotion, but there is no "me" I don't write to express myself I just do what i feel or what seems intersting

>>73745020
Remove bass sounds
Move up two octaves

>>73761572

Thanks, and my room is acoustically treated with awesome monitors, bass traps and sound baffles, sound is pretty tight. Thanks for the advice, i'll listen to alot of music but I refuse to learn any music theory.

>>73762070
>refuse to learn any music theory.
why would you do that

>>73762103

Do I have to learn it? I don't see why it's important, seems like a waste of time.

>>73762225
Refusal to learn will make sure you will take years figuring out things that you can learn in a day, but if its just a hobby do whatever you want,

>>73762225
The real waste of time is having to figure things out intuitively instead of just materializing the sounds in your head as they come.

>>73762319

Okay then, where can I learn music theory to make industrial noise ambient techno?

>>73762371
Ok if your being funny, don't learn theory then try to make music that sounds horrendously offbeat/ tempo with unwanted dissonance, a base music theory covers pretty much all elements of music so you can study the parts that you wish to know, and then study producers to understand how they can make certain industrial sounds.

However if your not being funny: http://mu-sic-production.wikia.com/wiki//mu/sic_Production_Wiki

Check that out it has links to nearly everything you need, look for tutorials for your daw on youtube

Look I give you that interesting music comes from ideas you create but there's hundreds of years of music theory that you can speed the process along with, you dont have to get into it now but if you wanna make the music in your head I would recommend it

>>73762537

Sweet thanks alot, i'll check it out. Hopefully this music theory thing helps out.

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why do all the 808s sound like shit?

>>73763278

Buy a real 808.

>>73763278
Nothing you can't fix with layering and eq.

>>73763298
where?

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>>73763326
Just buy one of these for $60

>>73761318
>I went the hardware route cause I thought workflow and jamming would be more fun and easier. I'm just do ing it for fun, not in it to get myself out there.
I started buying hardware in the late 90's as I wanted to make music and software wasn't really much of a thing back then...ended up selling it all over the years (except my sampler as it cost me a fuck load of cash) and producing on a laptop, slowly started buying hardware again a couple of years ago as wanted to jam and have the hands on workflow. I now have a pretty much 50/50 split of software and hardware usage but very much thinking once I have a few more bits of hardware I'll probably go full on hardware only. I think I just seem to work better now with physical synths and samplers than staring at a screen, although some of the best stuff I think I've made was probably when I was using software only I find it much more enjoyable and involving using hardware.

>>73763633

That's great man, i'm also trying to mixed together hardware and software. As much as software is boring to produce on, theres so much to explore in the world of a DAW.

https://clyp.it/ougzet0c

>>73764772
I like this kind of sound. I'd add some huge, deep drum for emphasis at some parts to get that foresty feel.

>>73764870
any impressions of what it could be background music for or how it could continue

>>73765200
I imagine most music as video game soundtrack, so naturally there's that. It brings a forest to my mind. Also reunion. You could add a dramatic leading melody for a tearful reunion kind of feel as the chorus of the song or add more string stuff for comfy forest mood.

>>73765802
i dream of making decent orchestral music for vidya one day

Any of you have a link to sylenth1?

>>73766006
thepiratebay.gov

>>73766083
i always get the shit links when i go there, i download it and it doesn't work

>>73766099
i just checked and there are like 20 links with 100+ seeders though???

>>73766006
just buy it goy

>>73765952
I like to make vidya inspired music too. I'd love to make music for games even if it's simple stuff like indie games or visual novels. Hell I'd do it for free.
You're in a good track, I guess. I enjoyed that clip.

https://clyp.it/3e4rwzd3

This is really my first time actually trying to make music. I know the guitar sounds like shit because I've just been plugging into my macs line in for now until i can get a decent audio interface.

>>73766250
add some sustained piano chords to it

>>73766250
I don't dislike the guitar sound, but it's kind of empty and the piano thing is too in the background so it's pretty much two minutes of hearing the same two chords repeat themselves. Add more stuff.

had all day off from work and this what ive been working on all day.
good so far?
https://clyp.it/5qt5qwt5

>>73766169
you should go and reach out to some small projects and start from there, it's a huge community

>>73766646
It has good composition, but doesn't sound very good. Almost turned me off from it. I feel like you need to make the whole thing brighter to shed light on the composition.

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https://clyp.it/s0haldmg

https://clyp.it/p0u2a4jy

Fairly new to production, im kind of just going with what sounds good but i would love some honest feedback. I think its too active for an ambient piece

when i export my shit is it normal for it to get quieter.

>>73767533
no not really

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>>73767533
That fucker might be responsible.

>>73767608
how to I fix this?

>>73767343
original poster of this, can someone help with this? What is it missing?

>>73767608
>volume bar

wat

>>73767618
Even the DAW's main volume with your music player.

>>73767645
What do you envisage for this instrumental? id recommend maybe adding some musical progression, its a good groove but you can maybe add a variant to it. Make the track seem more progressive. Unless you want it to just be a static instrumental which is cool too

>>73767756
I'm gonna rap on it and add some instruments like a guitar and some shit to bring it to life. Think of how Kanye treats his samples, sort of building a whole new track around them. Hey Mama, Roses...That kind of shit.

>>73766646
i felt exactly the same way >>73767078

lol what's your setup that it ended up like that man

>>73767645
>>73767343
whatever that string pluck thing is needs way more snap and an exaggerated group.... needs to sound hand played

same with the kick

it all sounds sharp and lo-fi in a bad way....

>>73766250
this is a really shitty recording

piano's too dark ... guitars too dark lol

where are the drums and robert smith????

and the rest of the song???? I can write the rest right now if you want because I can hear it it's kind of catchy o_____o

>>73767889
>whatever that string pluck thing is needs way more snap and an exaggerated group.... needs to sound hand played

what to you mean. You mean the sample at the very beginning or the synth that comes in when the beat drops?

>>73767992
yes, the very first one

the one that goes dun, dundundun DUNNNN

>>73768044
Not much I can do about that. It's a sample.

>>73768080
........................................

BRUV are you serious or just LAZY?
are you playing it/midi'ing it through a sampler? use the envelope

throw a transient shaper on it and nudge it around if you ripped the entire thing wtf

>>73767889
>lol what's your setup that it ended up like that man
what sounded bad? i tried to make the drums sound robotic by chopping up a break sample, remaking the break, sending it through filter where the cutoff is modulated by the filter step sequencer, and then layering with a super distorted compressed snare, and sub bass kick. i wanted the hi hats to sound more like "metal factory sounding" so i played with them in fabfilter saturn. the hi hats in the chorus sound a little off and weird but it can be fixed. what was so bad about it? nothing stuck out or the synths were bad? i intentionally wanted that organ stab synth to nasty so i put some bit noise on and over saturated it.

>>73768411
gave it a second listen on monitors (apple earbuds earlier)

i think it's mainly the drums sounding so weak that they make the track overall not hit as hard

also those organ stabs suffer from the same thing... lacking attack

i like the synth sounds a lot, they don't sound bad at all

https://clyp.it/lyizz34g

could any trap lords/trap aficionados give me some feedback?

How does one achieve the Have a nice life/Giles Corey production sound? I get he just poorly mixes his shit but I feel like there is more to it.

>>73766250
fuck I fucking sampled this and was having some fun but when I restarted fl it sounds out of pitch now somehow and I can't get it fucking back
oh well, thanks

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>>73744426
https://clyp.it/khn0jnj1

IDM beat I started, any critiques or thoughts?

Made with MS20 and Virus Access

>>73768158
wait, how does it sound lo-fi?

>>73769200
>IDM

not really.........

>>73769885
Okay, well what's your thoughts on it regardless of genre classification?

>>73769253
It's mostly those samples... there's that certain sharpness in the highs that sounds like it's ripped off YouTube
>>73769926
I'm sorry I just don't find anything interesting about it

That main ms20 like and the drum beat seem pretty unrelated too. The overdriven patch is cool but we've all heard it

That last thing to come in (guessing that's the virus?) is the most interesting part about it but it barely made any appearance

Tbh dude I've seen your songs every time you post and just never know what to say about them. I know you're into cortini but other than that I have no idea what you're going for emotionally or looking to explore...

>>73761626
>I just do what i feel or what seems intersting
so? this kinda contradicts what you said b4

>>73771393
I meant *feel* like instinctual or trying to separate the process from any analysis of your emotions

I don't think my own approach Is important, it's just a countermethod against what I think is behind people making contrived/generic music

>>73771027
The song I posted is one that I'm still building the song for, it'll be much longer so that's why you hear only 2 loops of the synth at the end of the clyp. I do understand what you mean by it not being interesting and it's something I'm still trying to get better at. The direction I want to go for is making something emotional with the robotic nature of electronic music. Like AFX's Analord series. What did you mean by the MS20 and drum beat being unrelated?

If there's anyone still in this thread: here's a song I demoed with my (post)punk-ish band, anyone wanna give me some pointers for the mix (or anything else)? Am I overcompressing/overproducing things?
https://clyp.it/rzifirf2
(never mind the sloppy playing, we didn't have much time to practice)

https://clyp.it/f3vk13r1

trying to get a boards of canada sound... need advice

>>73773014
Board Of Canada is more about pads and synthesized bells. This is more similar to vaporwave I'd say. You could make it sound like them by using more retro sounding pads and atmospheric vibes, I would use the smash mouth sample sparingly if you really want to use it.

So i torrented kontakt but it has no libraries, where can i download them?

>>73773089
Same place you torrented kontact from i suppose

>>73771027
I did rip it off YouTube because I'm kinda short on resources right now. How would I fix this?

>>73773089
The first thing you want to do is get this

https://soundiron.com/collections/atmospheres/products/phonautograms

>>73744779
I stopped being retarded and tried to create a more "mellow major" intro after breaking down robinson's shelter

https://clyp.it/gg4ufozr

any feedback is appreciated. Obv not mixed and just presets, this is just about harmony and melody

Would you listen to a track starting with a melody along those lines, or is it too cheesy

Are vocals the key to a good track? A really good instrumental can carry its own, but most instrumentals simply aren't THAT good, so if you want to stand out and get praise you add your voice to a track. Vocals can make a shit track better. I've seen people slap vocals on a minimalist, 'nothing special' type of beat and make it seem complete. Anyone else experience this?

>>73772095
Hmmm, maybe you can find a way to make it interesting throughout. A big thing that helps with more repetitive stuff imo is evolving patches and processing. I'm sure you could figure out a way on the ms-20 beyond a slow lfo...

Like the ms20 line does a thing where it hesitates to the groove and the drums just ignore it. I can't really explain that well

>>73773795
Heavy eq, maybe try pitching it down instead, or replace it. try not to sample from their too much man, you can get higher quality elsewhere

>>73774588

Being able to tell when your music needs a vocal is the key, I believe, rather than just using one when you can't come up with any more instrumental ideas to complete your project.

It's always an option if we have (or have access to someone with) a listenable voice and it definitely is the key to certain markets (specifically radio) so I guess it depends also on your definition of "good" - a good vocal could divert attention from a mediocre backing track and make the whole package more successful but so could the right instrumental part. I think it comes down more to the right choices being made rather than always reaching for what we'd think is a sure-fire saviour.

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Kinda excited for the new demo desu.

can we make a new thread? this one's kinda dead

>>73772269
practice more or the mix won't matter, it's pretty obvious when the band falls out of sync. i hear it more so with the guitarist struggling to keep up

chorus is meh and doesn't go back to the verse very well.

i only semi know that style of production you're going for with the reverb on the vocals but i can tell you it doesn't match how the rest of the band is mixed

also get the vocalist to enunciate more, it's kind of annoying and makes him harder to understand

>>73773014
i'm with the other anon.... this is nothing like boc

also those samples are... bad honestly. it sounds like you're using a low quality filter and or too much resonance..? it makes the sound pretty harsh and thin

>>73773089
lol

>>73774310
opened in a new tab and thought i lost a connection

there's nothing to say yet...............

>>73774588
yes this is common knowledge

you have to be really fucking good/catchy to make it solely off of instrumentals. if you make shitty edm you're going to blend in with the rest without a vocal hook to make people remember you

>>73775085
wha dat? i can't keep up wih all this new shit coming out anymore

>>73775447
it'll still be dead though.........

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>>73775085
did they come out with a new design since last week?

>>73776830
/prod/ is not for self promotion

you're underage and nobody gives a shit that you're a 15 year old producer because it doesn't make your music any better

desu i have no idea what you did because it sounds like you just slowed down a track and called it yours with some stuttering and vocals on top of it

also it sounds way too washed out

whatever, keep at it, i wish i had started that young

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>>73776830
>im 15 yrs old
also
>wholesome constructive criticism
>now tear me apart

>>73776980
>
i realize now how cringy this sounds i apologize. i guess i just stated my age to give perspective on how little ive been doing this. whatever

>>73777069
>>>/global/rules/2

>>73777069
all good dude, just say you're new if you want people to factor that in to critiquing you

(don't apologize on 4chan bitch)

>>73776980
yeah its an instrumental i made and i put a 21 savage a capella over it bc i thought it sounded a little bare without some vocals. i have very minamal software so this is gonna sound pretty shitty

>>73777109
oh shit u fuckin got me

>>73777141
>i have very minamal software so this is gonna sound pretty shitty

bruv unless you're fucking with garageband on your iphone i hope you don't think that's a good excuse, learn your fucking daw

>>73777200
give me some general tips on how to improve sound quality. im using ableton live

>>73777296
sample source matters, shit in shit out (use lossless (Wav flac aiff) when possible), sampling off youtube will make you sound like shit

learn to mix and use monitors or as a last resort, decent (flat) headphones

95% of mixing is volume, eq and compression. the song, arrangement, and recording HAVE to sound good already, you can't just fix it with a mix. don't overlook gain staging and phase

it's simple really

>>73777371
thanks. i have vinyl stacking up to sample so when i have enough money for a new record player i'll get better sounding samples

>>73763602
This thing seems like more of a toy than anything desu

>>73769200
>https://clyp.it/khn0jnj1
i like the sound and vibe
groove is kinda stiff though. Maybe dont have the synth stabs hitting the same time as the down beat on the drums? or maybe add something else to sit in the pockets of the drum beat

>>73775560
>>73775724
It's the A4 MKII, they also came out with a updated RYTM too. Supposedly they redid the sound for more bass and distortion, which I would take to mean less sterile/plasticky.

>>73778023

I feel like dumping my Mk1's in the trash. fucking shit upgrades

>>73777446
To each their own. I'm more of a hardware guy and its pretty intuitive and inspiring to get a drumbeat going on this. I hate writing out drum patterns in a DAW and I think the ubiquitous 808 plugins are boring and lack personality. I'm kind of a lo-fi guy, so I like having limitations. It doesn't mean that the sounds on this are bad tho, you can actually get a lot of great sounds out of this thing through tweaking parameters. And the effects and sequence linking function make this pretty good for live jamming. Its not the most complex drum machine, but it's a pretty good deal for $60 if you want something tangible to work out ideas and don't feel like spending $300+ on a vintage drum machine.

>>73778862
So uh.... upload some samples so I can program more intricate beats with it than you :p

>>73769200
Hey friend, mind if I sample the beginning?

>>73779717
Sure, clyp what you make of it.

>>73779439
>intricate = good
>implying I haven't already sampled it

>>73780149
didn't say that

if you sampled it than how is that different from using samples in a daw lol

(serious question i don't use hardware sequencers)

desu i've never seen the point of hardware drum machines, synths i kind of understand. i fucked with my friends rhythm wolf and an electribe and while they were fun and i got some good sounds out of them (yes even the akai) they seem more like a tool to sketch things without something else to sequence with.

MY NAME IS SILKE F AND I AM A GERMAN IDM ARTIST. PEOPLE SAY THAT I AM INSANE BUT I´M NOT. I´M VERY NORMAL. I COMPOSED OVER 30.000 EXPERIMENTAL IDM TRACKS AND STILL NOBODY LIKES ME ON INTERNET, BUT THATS OK FOR ME. I DON´T NEED FANS. HATE IS OK FOR ME. MY MUSIC IS REAL ART AND I DO NOT WANT MONEY FOR MY MUSIC BECAUSE I AM NOT SIGNED AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE SIGNED. LOVE AND HARMONY ARE ACTUALLY RESONATING FROM ME. YOU ALL ON INTERNET ARE JUST TO STUPID AND DEGENERATED TO UNDERSTAND THIS SCIENTIFIC FACT.

https://www.youtube.com/user/konjunktion26

>>73763278
Buy an R8 with the expansion

>>73780264
I was seriously considering killing myself yesterday and the irony of this meme and what it symbolizes in the current cultural climate is making me feel overwhelmed again

I'm going to take a nap and hope life seems worth living when i wake up

Why the FUCK can't I get VB-303 to sync to MIDI in Ableton? It just does whatever the fuck it wants.

>>73780264
Oh you're that guy who tried to get attention by shit-talking Aphex Twin, and tries to make yourself seem mysterious and strange so people will listen to your boring music.

>>73780847
APHEX TWIN A SHIT KNOB TWIDDLING TWAT THAT MAKES UNINSPIRING MUSIC, DO NOT COMPARE HIM TO ME.

>>73780891
I wasn't comparing him to you because you aren't worth comparing to anyone.

>>73780245
I can see where you're coming from. I should preface by saying I'm not a full blown hardwarefag, and I couldn't make music without my DAW and software. The primary reason I sampled the pocket operator is so I could still make beats in weird time signatures with its sounds. But as long as I have a 4/4 beat, I can just record line out with it. I generally like to do as much as I can with hardware, and then fill in the gaps with software.

I agree that hardware drum machines are probably most useful in a live studio setting in tandem with other sequenced gear, but unfortunately I haven't been able to explore that avenue because the sequencer on my JX-3P is broken

can I get some feedback on this? preferably negative feedback

https://clyp.it/p0o4yzr4

>>73781821
I like like, quite calming.
What type of sound is at the beginning?

Thoughts on this?
https://clyp.it/51hpm0cv

>>73782027
I like it*

I tried recording with actual instruments, thinking about singing over it

https://clyp.it/unhlsxd2

>>73782120
>https://clyp.it/unhlsxd2
thats sick, its got a kind of mac demarco texture to it.

>>73782120
Pretty nice, but if you want to sing over it you need to chop it up into more distinct sections

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>>73782027
>https://clyp.it/51hpm0cv
this was really good; I can't think of anything bad to say about it

>What type of sound is at the beginning?
I was messing around in Sunvox, and ended up with that sound (pic related, 01 is the triangle-wave generator the sound is from)

>>73782027
I dig the intro. The chords in the break section after that sound off tho, like a note doesn't belong there.
Your production sounds good but I have to tell you that from what I've heard in this song, your singing isn't your strongest suit. I would suggest you tune your vocals with Melodyne or Newtone, or maybe even distort the crap out of it and then add like a lowpass filter or something.
I see you were going with the emotional kind of organic sound here, but if you want people to listen to this, you should definetly tune your voice man.
I like the vibe, this has potential. Don't get discouraged, fix the vocals and work on the mix and transitions.

>>73782203
thanks

>>73782223
yeah I'm not great at composing

>>73782261
Nonsense, the progression on your background guitar is perfect

mfw i used to produce all the time while in college but now have a "real job" and have finally bought the gear that I wanted, but have no motivation to use it

jobs are a meme

>>73782799
I considered that, but I realized that if I didn't have the passion to work with the minimal tools I had now, I wouldn't have the will to make something great using the flashy expensive stuff that I'd only buy because I could

>>73782259
hmm ok thanks for the feedback dude!

>>73783237
I may be wrong tho! Maybe signing is also your thing, I just don't have enough music to make an objective judgment.

>>73780264
oh I remember this guy from his youtube tard outs

>>73782799
But you're in this thread so you must kind of care or be motivated..?

Dude I'm about to graduate and not having the time or energy to write is scaring the shit out of me 8(

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OP-1.
Is it worth it or no?

/prod/ is kill

>>73784252
nobody knows, it's one of the great debates of /prod/

Sometimes I put a reverb unit at like 10% 15% or 20% wetness on my master bus instead of making reverb sends for each individual track

I googled and a couple of guys on gearslutz seem to think this is OK, but what say you /prod/

>>73776830
brace for ban

>>73786083
completely dependent on the song

however, there's no advantage over not just using a send and running everything to it, especially since you can process the reverb separately

i just don't see the point.

>>73785533
How the fuck is this thread still going?

>>73786384
I am the defender of /prod/

>>73786083
If you have class, you're going want depth in your mix. One instrument with a touch of delay and reverb, another with different kinds. Another lead instrument or effect with none up front. The idea is for a sound stage or image to be set. Its a good tool for separating elements.

See The art of mixing Dave Gibson's or any book on mixing will cover 'depth'

>>73776830
Pls ban this person

>>73776830
I kind of don't believe you've been making music since you were 13.

>>73786731
But then again, Iglooghost did it, so why not?

>>73776830
Drop this persona, change your shitty unmarketable name and develop your sound more. You might have a shot.
But first you have to drop this persona. It's tainted. If anyone asks you about it in the future, play stupid.

>>73776830
Generic.
Find a way to make it interesting and unique. Just sounds like a YouTube 1hr mix.

https://clyp.it/0nq5a0po
does this shit sound cool or bad be honest thx , would appreciate

>>73786918
one of those synths reminds me too much of early 10's rap... with kind of that grandiose feel idk. like young jeezy lmao.

that and the beat make me not like it. the music is otherwise really cool.

>>73786772
>Iglooghost
just found out about him

any other crazy lesser known producers?

>>73786706
>>73786731
>>73786806
>>73786820
why does that look like a samefag

how to produce a track like A. Scriabin, but on PC?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6osJBtQRjoY

>>73787094
Like the chords are ugly or the melody of the vox ? lol

>>73787197
No mothers not ugly sounding, just the vibe is off putting (to me)

Idk maybe that's just your thing but I associate that with a type of music thats generally looked back poorly on

>>73787395
ah ok thanks yeah i understood what you meant after i replayed lol , i was trying some new sound , i dont do this style overall

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>oy vey goyim buy my sample packs

Just made this: https://clyp.it/it03afgw

Hoping my band will like it

So, I just bought a Midi keyboard and dlded fl studio 12, wat do?

>>73788769
first make sure you have the right drivers installed

you have to go to preferences and select your midi stuff to configure it properly

>>73788892
Yeh, I did that but any tutorials to get around the other basics?

>>73788917
i was in ur position a few months ago
ur kind of fucked

like for tutorials you will have to google your model + tutorial in youtube and pray someone did some stuff

next you should try mashing keys with a vst and try playing or emulating a song

there's people on youtube playing synths try copying their hands

just hit record and record like a 10 min jam of messing around you can cut it up later

that's what i do when im baked and i started to get a alright collection of tunes

what do you play on using the music for? im fine with recording random tunes cuz im agdg and you can fit any sound in a video game

>>73788945
Yes, when I learned where the plugins were I spent an hour fucking around with the Slayer guitar thing

>>73788963
don't force it

just have fun

just save your work and come back tomorrow if you can't figure it out

i love getting so smashed and listening to tunes i made

it's like something brand new

what midi did u get anyways

i think i should have just got a cheap 40 dollar one instead of a 250 one

many of the keys and knobs dont fucking bind or shit automatically

>>73788992
A midiplus origin 37 it has like 8 knobs and sliders

So, just bought my monitors. Since I only have a sound card integrated in my mbo, what do I need to connect them to PC? Afaik I need to buy some audio interface and cables, is Focusrite Scarlett Solo fine?

One more thing, I have a midi keyboard which is connected with a MIDI to USB converter to my USB port. Will that still work fine on its' own with the audio interface?

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so this shits 160bpm, and im sorta lost with how i should build and drop the whole distorted kicks beat

the main melodys with 3osc that has guitarish effects on it

how i can make it like.. more better sounding and 2-3 minutes of this

https://clyp.it/0cnti0ls

>>73788992
I bought a midiplus origin 37 cause it has a lot of knobs and they all work

>>73789132
You could get an interface that has midi, the scarlett 2i4 does

Why do so many audio interfaces have only one headphone jack? If you want to record someone else, and monitor at the same time, your only option is to use a splitter (which isn't great if you're headphones are a different impedance). I thought this would be a common problem in home studios, but it seems like few small interfaces address it.

>>73789847
thats what a dedicated headphone amp is for.

Having multiple headphone amps within a cheap audio interface will only make it an expensive cheap audio interface.

>>73789729
Thanks, I'll check that out.

What's good software to use with an mpc?

>>73789964
One more would do the job for most small interfaces. I thought this would be a common enough scenario. Recording more than one other person is far less common, and at that point the headphone amp thing seems like a solid argument.

I-I only have access to use Ableton Live 7,and the latest ones are locked off for me. Can I still record great tunes? What am I missing with this old thing, compared to later versions?

>>73790368
Aside from small ui/ux, main difference would be algorithms for compression/etc. But you could just use plugins for that.

Also might be limited to midi controllers from the live7 era if they need a script to function.

>>73790368
i have this too on a ppc mac and UAD-1 and a RME
it's still lots of fun

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https://clyp.it/m1llhe05

>>73791629
Is there even an audience for this?

>>73791629
decent idea but way too empty/not enough going on

sounds like some shit off maya

>>73789267
lol

Anyone know of a good tutorial for drum synthesis?

>>73794381
also requesting this

>>73782799
>jobs are a meme
no shit

Every time I try to make a dark and evil sounding track is comes out sounding happy and trance-y
.
What's the secret? Are there secrets?

>>73795010
You need to be more angry and less of a "happy person".

Source:
I have depression and anger issues and can't make a happy track to save my life.

The default grand piano in ableton sounds like shit, what VST do you guys use/recommend?

>>73795110
>I have depression and anger issues and can't make a happy track to save my life.

same :(

but you're defs wrong about needing to be a certain kind of person to make a certain kind of song lol

>>73795010
tritones dissonance minor chords/scale

it's not really a secret lol

>>73795286
a lot of people like the stuff that comes in komplete for kontakt

i think the giant is kind of old/meh sounding but some love it. i've found grandeur to be the most usable. it's alright sounding imo but i don't use a lot of piano

>>73795814
>>but you're defs wrong about needing to be a certain kind of person to make a certain kind of song lol
You can force it using theory and other "tricks", but when you write your music by "pouring your soul into it" (it's cheesy but I don't know how else to describe it) and composing what naturally comes out of you, you're inevitably going to end up with music that reflects your emotions.

>>73795875
>You can force it using theory and other "tricks"

lol they're not tricks that's literally just writing a song with an intention .

Some people channel their emotions and experience into music and some don't Some do it well and others don't just because they're not good at expressing themselves.

I'll give you that the song will have potential to be better coming from a genuine place than not but to say that you can't write a song because you're limited by your emotions is just silly

>>73796259
>lol they're not tricks that's literally just writing a song with an intention
That's why it was in quotes.

>Some people channel their emotions and experience into music and some don't Some do it well and others don't just because they're not good at expressing themselves.
>I'll give you that the song will have potential to be better coming from a genuine place than not but to say that you can't write a song because you're limited by your emotions is just silly
I don't remember ever saying it's not possible.
The guy asked how to make angry songs and I told him that being angry will achieve that goal.

In the context of the discussion I've had to take into account that he couldn't write songs the way he wanted to, and could only write them the way they come out of him naturally, so using theory was out of the question (also because it's obvious and it's safe to assume that he already knew about it).

>>73796259
>to say that you can't write a song because you're limited by your emotions is just silly
It's not if the only way you can write is by channeling your emotions.

Alright i'm serious now
https://clyp.it/bcvnd1kz

>>73796359
>That's why it was in quotes.
you literally said "you can force it" lol

whatever dude i'm not trying to have some semantic argument over what we each meant who gives a shit

>>73796423
dubsteppy fm patches sound forced

the out of tuneness sounds more like you went overboard because you couldn't make tasteful pitch wobble work with a more interesting chord progression

decent beat otherwise man

>>73796527
>you literally said "you can force it" lol
Yes, because in the context of responding to a guy who (as I understood) could only make music that channels his emotions, "forcing it" means going against what he'd otherwise do by getting the music out naturally, and force a different direction to it.

>whatever dude i'm not trying to have some semantic argument over what we each meant who gives a shit
Arguing is even more pointless considering we're agreeing with each other.

>>73796621
Oh okie :3

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Is EQ supposed to go before or after all my other effects?

>>73797384
Some times before and some times after.

Fl Studio or Ableton?

>>73782799
>he fell for the 40-40-40 scam

>>73797816
cubase

Sup guys. Can I mix harmonic and melodic scales? I just learned that there are variations of Minor scales.

http://musictheorysite.com/minor-scales/

So lets say I use d melodic minor for the melody, and d harmonic minor for the chords. Will they work together? Is this considered going out of key? Or are they considered the same scale?

>>73797931
>Will they work together?
who knows try it

> Is this considered going out of key?
yes

>Or are they considered the same scale?
no, that's why they have different names and different intervals

this is what's meant by non-diatonic (harmony not in the scale)

>>73797816
If you're just starting, get FL Studio, learn the basics, then switch to Ableton.
This will allow you to use both for their strengths and to switch to Ableton as your main (which is apparently harder to get into as a beginner), which lets you have the best of both worlds in one (as FL's plugins are available as standalone VSTs you can use in Ableton).

Also Ableton has a much better community, tutorials, resources, plugins (with M4L), etc.

There's a reason most people who switch DAWs do so in favor of Ableton (and often from FL).

>>73797970
if he's going to do ableton there's no reason not to just start on ableton...?

it's going to be difficult either way

>>73798029
Starting with FL allows you to get your feet wet with something easier, and also gives you the useful knowledge of knowing how FL works (as there's a high chance he'll find tutorials in FL).

I started with FL Studio and switched to Ableton after about 6 months, and 4 years later I still use FL once in a while for the things it does better.

I'd say don't wait 6 months, but switch as soon as you know your way around the program.

>>73797964
thanks. when I asked if it works by the way, I meant does it adhere to the rules. and before you say anything, I understand that theory is a tool, not a bible.

>>73798101
>theory is a tool, not a bible
NOPE it's the fucking bible

gotta know it so you understand the rules you're "breaking" to get why it sounds like that

>>73798147
okay, so by using multiple scales, even if they're relative like c maj and a min, or just melodic/harmonic variations, i am breaking a rule. which is okay, but just something I should understand.

>>73798216
>i am breaking a rule. which is okay, but just something I should understand.

yeah that's basically it. not complicated at all right. imo the only scales worth memorizing are major and natural minor and just recognizing diminished and augmented intervals when the occur.

>even if they're relative like c maj and a min
that one doesn't really count- since all the notes fall in the same scale it's technically diatonic

calling it c maj or a min is really just a matter of interpretation or where the song "sounds" like it's focusing

>>73798427
yup, not very complicated. gotta say I thought this shit would be a brain buster but I'm coming along nicely. thanks for your answers man, really appreciate it.

How does repetition in techno makes a song hypnotic? I try and always fail.

>>73800449
I don't listen to it a whoooole lot but imo it's about the slow evolving and introduction of new elements rather than copy and pasting

who do you have in mind?

>>73800449
It's kind of like rap in the sense that complexity only dilutes it's power.

>>73800700
This.

Also make something you actually would want to listen to forever. Arrangement is possibly the hardest part though.

>>73800449

The hypnosis part usually comes about because of syncopation within the loop, rather than the regular 4/4 beats that define its basis - if you listen to a lot of Jeff Mills tracks like the one below you'll hopefully see what I mean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnIRCRbVPUY

Detroit always seems to have known this thing with techno but you can hear it in European stuff from people like Ben Sims and James Ruskin too - the loop repeating provides the intensity and the syncopation is kinda like the hook and they work together with only subtle changes needed as >>73800700 mentions to drive the whole thing forward.

>>73801069

Meant to add - another thing that you'll notice with a lot of the Detroit stuff (and especially with Mills) is that the loops are two beats in length rather than a full bar of four beats, this to my mind anyway really makes for something hypnotic if done right.

>>73801069
Holy fuck this track is fucking lush

man I can never seem to feel happy about anything I make

I never finish anything because it just sounds so lackluster compared to everything i listen to

i feel like i've been in this ""Phase'" for years

i just want to make stuff that makes me feel good. I mean, i feel good while making stuff but then the initial feel good wears off and I realize it sounds bad.

How's my first meme-fi beat? I'm still a newbie to this producing stuff so I'd like some general tips on mixing/mastering, composition, etc.

https://clyp.it/pbwzpqsz

>>73802176
Try working in a completely different style of music you can learn a lot this way

>>73802176
>i feel good while making stuff but then the initial feel good wears off and I realize it sounds bad

i think most of us struggle with this, especially when we compare ourselves

my "trick" to solving this was becoming process oriented and not caring about the final result.

i've got a folder of a couple hundred songs from the past few year and really the only value they have is seeing the progression of things getting better over time....

it takes years to get that good man. so long as you're always improving and you're happy while making it there's no reason to feel bad- you can become that good eventually, you have all your life :p

>>73802176
listen to this >>73802228

it is really the only way to get better you have to finish your tracks even if you hate them

https://clyp.it/0xz32aue

Made this XXXtentacion esque beat just for shit's and giggles but now I think it's sort of cool.

Should I continue with it? Is the distorted 808 a bit much?

How do I tame those snares without them getting weak and drowned out in the mix?

>>73802465
sounds bretty good to me anon

H-how do I make instrumentals l-like this?

https://youtu.be/u24e43iW9KE

>>73802465
This is really god damn good

>>73802552
Then I'll finish it, maybe some angry soundcloud rapper will pay a buck or few for it.

>>73802709
thanks, I have been doing this for a couple of years but hip hop/trap is a whole new game for me.

>>73800449
No clue how you would do this on a computer, but set a sequencer to have some odd number of steps then send the triggers off your drum machine so the pattern is the same each time, but the notes cycle on each bar.

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someone tell me what they think of this?
https://clyp.it/eml4wr5t

>>73802176
Here's the sad thing about composition.

Everyone elses music will always sound fresher than yours, to you.

That's because you are familiar with the choice of harmony, chord progression, the types of rythm you choose, tempo, etc. It's predictable, boring, safe.

Ever wondered why it's so fun to work with loops and why so many does it?

Because it isnt you, if it was you, you would get bored of it within 15 minutes and go and have a wank.

Do you know why so many musicians play in bands or collab?
Fresh input. Rarely you will find musicians that think the music they and only they have made is great, they will most likely point to something they made with someone one else or something based off an existing idea as their best work because it's still fresh to them.

And that never goes away.

>>73802947
dont know what t think about that cheap midi guitar, maybe get someone here to record that guitar part for you?

And the sidechain is way to heavy for that weak kick, it distracts from the song, you have nothing that fills that gap because the kick is to weak in the mix.

It's a interesting song and would qualify if you were going for that dreamy glitch hop thing that was popular a couple of years back, but it needs to evolve, right now it just loops and never go anywhere. Think of the structure as a journey, that you're supposed to take the listener to a place.

The textures are nice, but the stock rain weather SFX is really cliche unless you do something intersting with it, either with effects or some narrative structure with the song.

>>73803015
Thanks!
i made like 20 or so tracks like this a couple months ago trying to get a good workflow for making sample-based beats...
Everything is from the sample besides the kick snare and hihats so cant do anything about the “midi guitar” or rain sounds. I thought they were nice :)
I know someone was gonna say the sidechain is turned too high... i think so too every time i listen to this one. The problem is i do this shit with impc pro on the ipad, so i dont get to hear how i fucked up the low-end until I’m in the car..

>>73802951
hm... haven't thought about that before

that's some nice perspective anon

>>73802947
>hulu
JUST