>hasn't smoked marijuana or taken LSD >thinks he has

>hasn't smoked marijuana or taken LSD
>thinks he has experienced drugs

there you go.

I have done both drugs, and my best experience with music was listening to Til' I Die sober

DUDE

>>73720217
>he hasnt done mdma or speed
>he thinks he understands music

Until you see the beauty of a 808 kick overdriven into a melodic square wave, you are 100% a pleb of the highest order.

>>73720365
>drum machine

Stay pleb

I've done both many times and I think that if you need drugs to fully appreciate music you are 100% pleb

>>73720386
kys rockist scum

I INJECTED TOO MANY MARIJUANAS
DONT DO IT

>>73720386
The day a human can drum splittercore is the day you have a point. But they cant, because machines are perfect and man is flawed

Until then kys

marijuana just makes you overrate everything, so it's probably not the best way to experience music

>>73720448
Why is that though? Is it just because it dumbs you down so everything seems more intrincate than it actually is?

>>73720478
Cannabis enhances your feelings and senses. So if you're feeling anxious, it'll be worse.
On the other hand, if you feel happy, you will be very happy instead.

Cannabis just floods your brain with dopamine.

>>73720403
Every time I've been in a conversation about weed, someone has interrupted just to make a joke about shooting up marijuanas.

Weed unironically sucks. Do better drugs op.

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>>73720386

>>73720552
If you're an over thinking, anxious fag. Opiates and bensodiazepines usually work better for you people.

>>73720552
It's a beautiful thing if you don't abuse it.

>>73720526
Most drugs do that. People have the bad tendency to think that drugs are what makes you high but really the only thing the molecule does is make your brain secrete already existent neurotransmitters (or block some of them). For example if you give MDMA to a depressed person he probably won't feel anything.

>>73720599
T. chill weedman

>*hits blunt*

>>73720217
Tripped for the first time last week and decided to give the new Anathema a listen. Literally everybody else that's listened to it on here says they were disappointed by it, but I was in complete bliss and loved it.

Thanks, drugs.

>>73720448
That's not quite true. IMO, indica generally makes everything more enjoyable, but it doesn't take away the ability to judge music based on its individual merits. In fact, it makes it easier to do, while you'll still find any music fascinating purely because of the synergy between different sounds. Sativa does the same thing for me. Except I'm more picky about what I listen to, and I usually end up making music rather than putting on a record.

>>73720620
t. benso zombie

>*drools*

>hes taken LSD
>he thinks he has experienced psychedelics

>>73720663
>lsd
>not a psychedelic

try again, fag

>>73720394
absolutely this.

drugs make plebs think they are special.

>>73720610
t. bro scientist

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>>73720437
>Futurism

>>73720599
Actually I like speed paste. I dont take downers.

>>73720607
It's weaksauce. Even bho is boring.

>>73720610
But that's a lie. Depression doesnt stop the sri functions and even people who have fried their delicate serotinogenic systems from abusing mdma and its analogues will still speed on it.

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>>73720217
i used to listen to snoop dogg while doing marijuana am i more experienced now than yall non blazers?

>>73720936
There's nothing futurist about that post.

>>73720939
Sorry for being a dick, I also like amphetamines.

>>73720365
I took some MDMA a festival this past weekend but my friend and I just wanted to walk around have pleasant conversations. Didn't really get in to the music to much.

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Serious question.
Which drug lets me get immersed in music.
Specifically for albums like lysflath.
t. haven't used any abusable drugs besides ritalin and xanax

>>73720968
Take more. You shouldn't really be able to do anything besides lying down and moaning with pleasure for the first couple of hours.

>>73720663
>hes taken LSD
>he thinks he has experienced weed

>>73720217
One day you're going to grow up and realize how stupid that thought process is.

>>73720552
This.
>>73720599
> If you're an over thinking, anxious fag.
Psychs and stims are still great though. Weed is just not great. It has a time and place.

>>73720979
I would go with psilocybin mushrooms.

>>73720646
I wish people around here actually knew whether the stuff they were selling was indica or sativa. It's usually dumb people who refer to it as "weed" and I like one strain without the other for medicinal reasons.

>>73720631
> drugs make me like awful music

>>73720979
Really depends on you. Most psychs can get you pretty immersed, but I think dissociatives are interesting with music. Stimulants and maybe some weed would work real great too. Alcohol is sometimes underrated for listening to music, I think.

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>Not a huge smoker at all, so pretty lightweight
>Friends get together with like a half ounce of weed and some dabs
>Get super fucked up, can barely think straight or not giggle constantly
>Think to myself "wow, I bet music and food would be fucking amazing right now"
>Put on my favorite psychedelic and downtempo music
>It's just music, nothing special
>Decide to make some super savory, unhealthy food
>It's just food, doesn't seem any better than when I'm sober
Welp.
Since then I stopped cause it's just not worth the price or time.

>>73720991
That sounds not great. I took the dose based on body weight. Next time I do it I might do a little more, but being able to function in public is a huge benefit.

>>73721056
In that state, everything feels fantastic. But I wouldn't suggest doing it in public, no. It's better suited at a rave or even better, at home, with a small group of your best friends.

>>73721048
Music is one thing, but food? I pretty much came in my pants cause of a grilled cheese.

>>73720939
>But that's a lie. Depression doesnt stop the sri functions and even people who have fried their delicate serotinogenic systems from abusing mdma and its analogues will still speed on it.

Taking speed while you're depressed will make you feel like garbage the next day. It'll use up all you have left so you'll feel like a God for a couple of hours then you'll want to kill yourself the next day. Being depressed doesn't mean you have zero neurotransmitters left. I'm obviously talking out of my ass here, I'm not a pharmacist or a doctor but I seriously cannot stand people that tell me MDMA will cure depression.

>>73721017
That was the gist of what I was saying, sure.

I don't think very many people find Anathema or their new album "awful", just disappointing. Like I said.

>>73721123
This, drugs didn't do shit but my my problems and depression worse. I hate when people are all "weed cures depression" when it really didn't do much for me personally.

>>73720217

Listening to Spirituakized while on DXM was very wrenching.

>>73721256
psychedelics can be pretty good for mental disorders, although they can also bring other symptoms out instead so it's a potential risk

imo weed is pretty garbage for mental health, it releases dopamine such that it has potential for addiction, it also can reduce motivation, increase anxiety etc

also a distinction is weed feels pretty hazy and stupid, and you forget most of what you think about, comparatively acid feels a lot sharper and i feel like i remember a lot more of what i "figured out" and that the change to my outlook on life is much longer lasting when sober

>>73720939
>boring.
Ah, you're young, well most mature adults call this 'relaxing', but because you've never done a day's work in your life you'll be confused about these things. Just trying to help! :)

>>73720365
listening to jazz on LSD is a much more beautiful experience than new wave on speed/molly
both are top tier tho

>>73721347
I'm not sure if psychs can be good with mental disorders, I've never done them but have an odd feeling that I shouldn't fuck with them. maybe it's because I haven't experienced any. I've never been able to even find shrooms around here.

>>73720217
>doesn't know music theory
>thinks he has experienced music

>>73720365
Gabber is for former ravers who fried their brains with daily MDMA

You'll cowards don't even smoke DMT

>>73720217

I liked music more before I did those things

Great album

>>73721467
I've been fascinated with it for years, I've met someone who's done it and they told me the effects were a bit exaggerated. Heard the same thing about mushrooms and lsd

>>73721538
Depends on how much you take

>>73721123
if you have a hangover after doing speed or mdma or any similar kind of drug, you need a better diet, more sleep and you need to slow your fucking roll.

not everybody is a machine who can dose 150mg of dexamp from a year of sobriety and have a pleasant time.


>>73721347
habit isn't addiction.

examples of things you can't be addicted to, but are easy to develop habits for:
l/d amphetamine
mdma
thc
lsd
psilocybin
dmt

things you can be addicted to:
cocaine (as in the umbrella for hydrocoke and crack)
meth
opiates
benzos
alcohol

nobody is going out to suck some dick for some speed or some acid.

i mean maybe in a gay rave but you know what i mean.

>>73720217
I did a bit of lsd once and got some visuals, extremely tense shoulders/neck, a bit of anxiety and sadness/feeling of isolation alienation and that night I dreamt of snakes. Did listen to a trance song that was pretty amazing tho.

Now, I still have a small blotter lying around and I'm wondering if I should take it or not.

Don't even know if its lsd cause it tasted bitter and they say that's not right.

>>73721609
can you get addicted to gaming or betting?

>>73721653
Yes, if you're obsessively feeding your reward system with anything and it is destroying your or other people's lives it's an addiction.

>>73721012
yeah, I've never had a dealer who knew what he was selling. I almost always get hybrids, but it's a treat to get something more pure bred

>>73721653
No, but they are habit forming.

Nobody goes into gambling/video games withdrawal.

>>73721653

You can't really be addicted to psychs like LSD even if you tried t b h. The tolerance build up is waaayyy too fast and even if you could afford buying what it takes to be able to take lsd in consecutive days, you'll eventually saturate the receptors and would still be forced to wait some time. It's just impossible to get addicted to psychs.

>>73721609
you're wrong

>>73721713
that's not how it works.

you realize most junkies don't get high from their doses, right? they take more because if they don't they'll be too sick to function.

psychedelics are a special kind of evil though and will end in psychosis if they are abused heavily.

>>73720979
Just smoke if you want to dip your feet in, people think of DXM as a starting place for drug use, but it's actually way less comfortable for someone with less experience than a host of other drugs. I still think it and shrooms are my favorite thing for music listening.

>>73721700
so, physical withdrawal is the only requirement for addiction in your opinion?

>>73721693
I agree more with this def

>>73721748

Psychs are not as rewarding when abused. Anyway, you never hear of people not being able to function from psych withdrawl. The nature of these drugs are very different from opiates or benzos or whatever. LSD also takes a very long time. A normal trip is 10 hours. Most people feel exhausted after taking lsd and then there's the afterglow. Even if you could, there would little insentive to take it again afterwards

>>73720540
yeah bro I'm shooting up 6 majiuanas right now

>>73721748
if you take lsd on the daily it literally doesn't do anything at all, you need to wait like a week at least between doses

there's no withdrawal either

>>73720217
Ha ha, smoke the kush, amiright reddit?

>>73720394
/thread

>>73720217
>hasn't ever done mdma
>has listened to some folk rock on a fake acid tab

>thinks he has experienced music

>has smoked marijuana and taken lsd
>thinks he has experienced either drugs or music

>>73721810
iirc the tolerance calculator suggests if you take 100ug one day you have to take something like 290ug the next day to get the same intensity of effects, so perhaps you can triple the dose daily to keep tripping however:
1. people tend to report that going beyond like 1000ug on blotter results in no noticeable change of intensity (from baseline), so there may just be a hard cap on how much you can even absorb that way
2. tripping is tiring, there is little incentive to do it daily and i'd suspect doing so is an increased risk of a bad trip if you do increase the dose

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>>73720217
>drugs+music
how much of a pleb stereotype are you?

who here live sports+drugs?

>>73721870
yeah this all tallies
it's probably the hardest drug to get addicted to

>>73720217

>hasn't tripped on 10gs of dried shrooms and 1g cannabis brownies and smoked some 40X Salvia extract with the boys
>thinks he's experienced music

Maggot Brain, Bitched Brew, Tago Mago and Hosianna Mantra were my albums of choice btw

>>73721899
>salvia

a drug which causes experiences considered so horrifying that the govt didn't even bother making it illegal

>>73721916

>horrifying

Idk how. It's intense, but i would consider higher doses of dxm worse

>>73721256
>I hate when people are all "weed cures depression" when it really didn't do much for me personally.
Do you not realize how stupid that statement sounds?

>>73721970
i think the whole 'timeless void where i became the universe which was a book made of endless flipping pages' is a bit much for most people

well when you've done enough lsd it's hard to know what you've actually experienced

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>>73721256
>I hate when people are all "weed cures depression" when it really didn't do much for me personally.
While personal experience isn't reliable, you're right. Weed doesn't cure depression, it might help with some anxiety symptoms, but even so, benzodiazepines are more effective and have less secondary effects. Not to mention, weed doesn't really have any quality.

>tfw never have done drugs even though my friends do
>tfw have never used alcohol and don't even drink coffee
I feel like I'm the only square on 4chan sometimes. ;_;

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>>73720217
>>73720365
>>73720599
>having to do drugs to enjoy music
I'm not going to call you disgusting, but if this is a constant thing for you people I think you should take your health into consideration.

>>73722835
>lsd
>bad for your health
shut up faggot

>>73722835
>assuming they don't enjoy music sober

Kys weeb

>>73722835

Personally I don't need drugs to listen to music. I mean, that's an expensive lifestyle imho. Hell, one of the best things about taking drugs is looking foward to being sober (i know it sounds weird, but this is a constant for me). I think drug taking experiences inspire new interest in me. For example, before taking any drug, I was a post-hardcore, prog rock and rap kind of guy. After psychs I got into more things like free jazz, krautrock, and psychedelic rock. After taking opiates, I got into idm, slowcore, drone, nu wave, etc. These aren't thingns I hadn't heard of before. I've heard and enjoyed many things in these genres and styles before drugs, but they weren't my token. After the experiecnes many of these styles "clicked" with me and I sought them out more when sober than I did before.

>>73720217
>>73720231
>>73720365

>2017
>doing drugs

Lol that's pretty pathetic. Unless you're doing drugs ironically what's the point?

>>73722869
Must you resort to name calling?
I have no hatred towards those who do, or have done drugs, since I don't hate my brother; but I believe one should always strive to be healthy.

>>73722825
Just do it?

All you got to do is research what your putting in to your body. Drugs in moderation are relatively harmless. You only have one life, why not experience the most out of it?

>>73722935
not eveyone thinks it's cool to ruin their life

>>73721759
>tfw first DXM trips were clean and blissful, music was amazing, body felt great
>now every time I take it I throw up in half an hour and spend the rest of the day trying to scratch imaginary itches and trying to see through my double vision

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How do we help out drug users?

>>73722950

But drugs don't really ruin you if you research what you're taking. Robotripping once won't hurt. LSD has a very hugh safety index. You can take 320,000ug (for reference an average dose is 100-200ug and the saturation cap is 1200ug) and you wont die. Like it doesn't matter the dosage actually, lsd can't kill you.

>>73720217
>has smoked marijuana and taken LSD
>thinks he isn't a massive degenerate who should be exiled from society

>>73722950
You do realize this is a music board right?

I wonder how many of your favorite artists tripped on acid or snort blow on the weekends.

>>73722986

>says while deinking is artesanal beer

>>73722950
responsible drug use is very easy if you just do your research on substances, especially when talking about psychedelics

and before anybody misunderstands me sometimes responsible use means not using (like just, don't do heroin)

>>73723013

drinking his*

>>73721791
why the fuck is there a resurgence of this reddit-tier "joke" get the fuck off my board

>>73722900
>>73722986

Read (>>73722987)

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>>73722981
My brother knew quite a bit about opiates when he did them, didn't stop him from having a seizure and spending 2 months in a psych ward due to withdrawal.

>>73723062
>opiates

You just contradicted yourself. That's why we said to research what your putting into your body. LSD is quite harmless, Opiates on the other hand are not.

>>73723062
see >>73723021

>>73723062
how many opiates did he smoke per day, my friend injected 10 marijuanas and nearly flew the coop!

>>73722935
>Drugs in moderation
Ah, there it is. Some of my friends who do drugs keep to that, which is good. Others, not so much. I would probably be the latter.

I've abused that which I need to "use" (like food) in the past. I'm not going to allow myself to even possibly abuse that which I don't need to use.
>inb4 "you can't abuse weed" or something

>>73723143
you can abuse weed, i know people who smoke it to escape on a daily basis and they convince themselves it's not addicted bc of the type of people in this thread that use mental gymnastics like "habit forming not addictive" to explain away their problem

but psychedelics really cannot be abused both due to their pharmacological action (they compete with seratonin rather than release it, don't release dopamine) as well as the rapid build of tolerance

>>73720979

ketamine is what you're looking for

>>73723108
Opiates are harmless, addiction's achieved after high doses+prolonged use.

Problem with them? Easy to get, smack is cheap and the withdrawal syndrome is one of the worst next to alcohol.

I'm on Zoloft and just took 800mg dxm is this safe

>>73723213
you are underselling the risk of addiction with opiates, so many people think they have it under control and have beat the system then they break on rule and before you know it they're dependent

you also didn't mention the other risk that it is just quite easy to OD on since heroin is one of the least pure products out there, especially since it's began to be cut with fentanyl and carfentanyl

>>73721763
its what seperates addiction from destructive habits imo

>>73723306
it's not a matter of opinion you're wrong

>>73723193
>psychedelics really cannot be abused
By definition, they can be abused. As in getting arrested for public indicency or missing out tasks for taking them.

I think you meant dependence. Different concept.

>>73723262
I'm not underselling it, that's literally on the guidelines of opiates/opiate addiction management . Opiates require high doses and prolonged use to achieve tolerance, dependence comes as soon as tolerance is achieved.

Risk of OD is independent from addiction.

t. shrink

i like coffee, the one drug you can use openly without any fear of social exclusion

>>73723193
destructive habits are still bad. however the distinction is important.

bad habits are less difficult to kick than addiction.

>>73720217
>you have to be in an impaired state to understand music

>>73723323
except it is a matter of opinion.

mental illness is entirely subjective.

>>73723398
what are you impairing though? that's the big question

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>>73723062
Totally understandable, I wouldn't do drugs either if that happened to my brother.

Here have a hug anon.

>>73723231
I don't feel good :(

>>73723420
go to a hospital

>>73720312
WEED

>>73723960
LMAO

>>73720217
Drugs are for people too fucked in the head to enjoy life
you people are just one step away from suicide
seek help

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>>73720217
IT WOULD BE FUCKING GREAT IF THERE WERE ANY FUCKING DEALERS IN MY COUNTRY LET ALONE MY CITY.

>>73722351
It's really not, it's a meme that weed cures or dampens depression. When the side effects are depressive. It's like how so many claim it to help anxiety, when it causes Anxiety.

>>73721631
if its bitter its a spitter, get rid of it. LSD has no taste or smell, bittnerness usually points do 25i-nbome (but its not the only candidate).

25i is weird, it just feels like cheap shitty acid, the tense/tightness all over your body is way too distracting. if you could get your hands on genuine LSD i really recommend trying it.

>>73721048
You probably had an indica strain, based on the giggling/difficulty thinking. Try a sativa.

>>73724066
Genuine LSD is ridiculously easy to get. I'm a friendless NEET and I got some for cheap with 3 minutes of work.

I don't understand how NBOME is a thing, except for the people who intentionally seek it out.

>>73720217
If you write music under the influence of drugs then you're cheating.

>>73723062

Was he taking lithium for something?

>>73720217
>browses /mu/
>thinks he knows music

>>73724410
Cheaper and easier to make than lsd