>"Rock is dying because it is so obsessed with the past.

>>73646717
he's right about rock
but if lil peep / lil pump / et al are the evolution then evolution should just stop

lmao no

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>>73646717
Oh yeah because Hip Hop is sooooooo innovative at the moment...

>>73646717
>genres can die

by this logic classical music died a long time ago. things fall in and out of popularity all the time its a cycle not a bar graph.

No. There's been a shit ton of great rock in the last few years. It's just not as popular.

The trap-influenced hip hop produced these days will not age very well and in ten years it will be regarded as tacky and severely outdated.

>>73646717
it's not cool to like rock music anymore! death grips is where it's at! the closer it sounds to the 2014 mlg youtube video parodies the better!!!!

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>>73646766
>Innovative
>Trap Rapper

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>>73646766
embarrassing

>>73646766
That's like saying the hottest ice cube

>>73646766
Wew
wEw
weW

>>73646766
>the most innovative trap rapper
that's what's so embarrassing, anon.
This is the best and it's still god awful.

>>73646766
That doesn't really reflect well, you know...

>>73646765
Trap is going our New Wave and Danny Brown is our post-punk

>>73646741
COUNTRY BILLY MADE A COUPLE MILLY

whenever /mu/ talks about hip hop I'm reminded about how this board is a bunch of overweight fedora wearing metalheads mixed with some rich /fa/ wearin indie rock kids who are severely out of touch with today's music

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>>73646766

>>73646954
this holy shit

>>73646954
>being controlled by marketing this much

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>>73646732
>>73646741
>>73646765

>hurr trap/pop rap is the only thing that exists right now

you guys are fucking retarded holy shit. the OP was a general statement, it wasn't just about fucking pop music.

there are dozens of innovative hip-hop records that have come out both in the mainstream and the underground this decade, pushing boundaries in new ways that simply weren't possible a couple decades ago.

even if we are going by pop, you're forgetting MBDTF, and TPAB, and the new ATCQ for example. and then with the underground you've got Danny Brown's last album, and of course Death Grips, and clipping., and LUM, and countless others putting out truly innovative material.

what is rock music doing to match that, in this decade?

>>73646987
>MUH POP MUSIC IS CORPORATE BRAINWASHING REEEEEEEE
>MY MUSIC IS SUPERIOR BECAUSE ITS NOT POPULAR

>>73646994
garage revival

>>73646954
thank you for this

>>73646954
haha what

>>73646787
>>73646801
>>73646805
>>73646811
>>73646824
>>73646825
>>73646965
4ll m3

>>73647013
>garage revival
that's obviously extremely innovative and groundbreaking

>>73646994
noise rock

bleep rock

>>73646717
This is 100% true though. As long as rock allows windbags like dadrockers, buttrockers and old neocon retired rockers (Gene Simmons etc) to dominate the scene with their dated opinions, the genre will be stale.

>>73647007
>muh poptimism

>>73647013
>revival
Literally the cancer that killed rock.

>>73647039
if you've listened to it, it sounds pretty fresh to me

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>>73646954
>out of touch with today's music

>>73647013
>>73647052
so stuff that's been done countlessly over the last few decades?

>>73646756
>No. There's been a shit ton of great rock in the last few years. It's just not as popular.

Yes, you're getting it. It's underappreciated by the journos but still good regardless of how much they're paid to hype shit.

>>73647063
>muh contrarianism
I used to be like that too, man. Life gets a lot more fun if you enjoy things that a lot of other people enjoy as well, and you'll see that pop music and hip hop really isn't so bad. It's toxic to just hate everything that's popular, taking pride in separating yourself from society only hurts you in the long run

>>73647095
When's the last time hip hop actually innovated? Any innovation in the genre is just sloppily incorporating elements from other genres. Even then, hip hop is always held to a lesser standard.

>>73646717
>Rock is dying because it is so obsessed with the past
It always has. The 60s-70s guys worshiped old bluesmen and 50s R&R and the 80s-90s guys worshiped 70s AOR.

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>>73646717
Another thing to take into consideration is the death of the "rockstar." The last rock artist who was iconic enough to reasonably be considered a true rockstar is pic related.

>>73647151
>toxic
you didn't need to explicitly say you were a faggot, but thanks anyways. i don't hate all pop music, but if you think just because it's popular it's good, you're a retard. trap, for the most part, isn't fun. it's boring as hell.

>>73646717
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it

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>>73647167
>Muh arbitrary cross-genre "standards"

>>73647195
I'd say that My Chemical Romance would probably take the last huge rock artist title.

>>73647239
>muh arbitrary separation of genres

>>73647209
>Trap isn't fun, it's BORING!
>Well a lot of people enjoy it and have fun listening to it
>Yeah but you don't understand though, I'm saying it's boring and I don't like it it, therefore it's BORING!
Top lel

>>73646717
He is right about rock though, Bruce Springsteen, the Stones, and Don Henley have released new work within the last year or so and everyone and their mother doesn't give ah fuck

>>73647279
>Judging a cake by the same metrics as a roast chicken or a steak
Lel m8. Cross genre ratings are pointless.

>>73647281
>because a lot of people enjoy it it's good
you're just as narrow minded as the 15 year old who says all popular music sucks. just because a lot of people like it doesn't mean it's good

>>73647269
Maybe as a band but I literally can't even name a single one of their members

>>73647316
The burden of proof is on you. You're saying trap is "boring" and "not fun", so prove it objectively

>>73646717
He never said that

>>73646717
Kinda. Writing music about your fucking problems was okay, but people eventually got tired of it, that's what rock all about. And drinking, sniffing cocaine and fucking whores all day long will never get old, 'cause everybody loves it, and that's what rap is all about.

>>73646756
This. There's some decent stuff out there that just doesn't get the coverage. Its time will come again, it's all cyclical.

>>73647351
Different bloke, prove that it's fun

hard mode: do it without mentioning popularity

>>73646994
>Danny Brown, Death Grips, and LUM
>underground
You're so out of touch it hurts

>>73646954
Who gives a fuck about being """"in touch""""?

>>73647314
>"this chicken has shit on it and is disgusting"
>"i can't believe you're judging poulet a la caca by the same standards as other chicken"
even in fantano's review of that young thug album, he admitted that he critiqued the lyrics more harshly because there were more singer/songwriter elements

>>73647390
Because people have fun listening to it. By definition, that is what makes something fun, unless there is some new scientific definition of fun that I'm unaware of.

>>73647351
>The burden of proof is on you.
>>>/r/eddit

>>73647460
Some people do, but other people don't have fun listening to it too.

>>73647460
There is, faggot, "amusing, entertaining, or enjoyable."

Something being mildly catchy to morons and marketed to morons =! fun

>>73647460
people also thought Grown Ups was a funny movie. Are you implying that because it's popular it's good? Is that See You Again song the most emotional ballad of all time because it's about to be the most watched music video ever?

>but mah rock is dying/dead!!!
Guess you haven't been to any local shows lately I guess

>>73647313
>Bruce Springsteen, the Stones, and Don Henley
All three of these guys sell out stadiums

Nice try though.

>>73646827
Trap is hair metal and Danny Brown may go the way of Brian eno or bowie

>>73646954
Trap rap currently is going through the motions barely anything of note from the entire genre. And this genre has been around for damn near a decade

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>>73646954
>being this assblasted because your favorite genre is degenerate mass consuming garbage and people denounce it rightfully so

>>73647151
>Life gets a lot more fun if you enjoy things that a lot of other people enjoy as well, and you'll see that pop music and hip hop really isn't so bad
>really isn't so bad
Or you could avoid something that "really isn't so bad" altogether and just listen to what you like, regardless of popularity

>>73646954
Underageb&

>>73646766
Kill yourself

>>73646954
> ughhh why don't people like pseudo-deep top 40 garbage like me?

>>73647313
there are countless 17 year old girls wearing Stones shirts right this minute

>>73647516
You're shifting the goalposts to "good". A lot of things people enjoy (including virtually all popular music) aren't good by some strict academic standard. That doesn't mean that people can't enjoy those things or that magazine reviewers can't give those things good reviews based on their own personal standards. If you don't like the reviews that trap albums get, you're more than welcome to create your own rating system on your own personal blog and give every trap record a 0.
>>73647481
Ok right, so nothing is objectively "fun" or "boring", thus making "it's not fun" an invalid line of criticism
>>73647509
Wew lad. I meant a scientific standard. Again, prove that trap isn't "fun" by some objective metric or admit that this is just your opinion.

>>73647736
How about you prove it is fun without mentioning popularity.

Reminder: catchy =! fun

>>73647537
I'm talking about new album drops which you don't hear about everywhere and played on every radio station like you would have say thirty years ago

>>73647236

there's a difference between being free from the past and not remembering the past

>>73647761
No one can. All fun is subjective. No music is more fun than any other type of music.

>>73647195
Incidentally this is when rock shifted from traditional to alternative.

Rock is just underground now, and there aint nothing wrong with that, it doesnt mean its not evolving. Fantano is just pandering to his wigger fanbase.

>>73647540

comparing Danny to Bowie is an insult to Danny

>>73647559

there have been several noteworthy trap releases in the last couple years, such as Rodeo and JEFFERY

>>73646994
Rapfags dont even know any underground artists

>>73647762
>I'm talking about new album drops
The most recent Springsteen album I see is Chapter and Verse (2016) which sold 29,000 units

The most recent Stones album was Blue & Lonesome (2016) which sold 2,000,000 units.

The most recent Don Henley album is Cass County (2015) which sold approx 26,000 units.

Try again?

>>73647784
How so?

>>73647151
>toxic
Back to tumblr, fagboy

>>73647865

>How so?

how fucking dense are you?

>>73647895
>how fucking dense are you?
Not an argument.

Having trouble communicating your thoughts?

>>73646954
fuck off nigger

>>73647736
>shifting the goalposts
do you only speak in Reddit phrases? are you going to start listing fallacies next? you were the one who said it was good because it's fun. I said it isn't fun. you used the fact that a lot of people find it fun, so it must be fun. i compared it to how a lot of people find adam sandler movies funny and that a lot of people think See You Again is a touching ballad. It's not "shifting the goal post" to make that comparison you faggot

>>73647972
pointing out logical fallacies is reddit now?
oh brother

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>>73647085
>>73647091
>>73647167
>>73647316
>>73647416

Damn, the bait actually worked

>>73647390
Today's trap music is fun because it's energetic and consists of almost exclusively of party vibes. These vibes constitute of things like drugs and sex, which is fun by the general consensus of our generation.

The fact that all you 35+ obese "FUCKING KEK REEEEE FROG HAHA"s are shitting on music that is subjectively fun is fucking pathetic. News flash! you don't have to hate """fun""" or """popular""" music to like unpopular music! A matter of fact, A Promise and Pulse Demon are two of my favorite albums, yet Travis Scott Rodeo is one of my favorites as well.

So for the love of god go the fuck out side and get off your goddamn high horse.

>>73647085
its not

>>73647736
>Again, prove that trap isn't "fun" by some objective metric or admit that this is just your opinion.
Not him, but can you prove it is "fun" by some objective metric or admit that this is just your opinion?

I don't like innovation in my rap music. I hope they never stop making boom bap

>>73647865
But compare those numbers to the global percentage of people estimated to spend money on music as of 2017. If you adjust for the last thirty years comparing that number now to what it once was you'll see that these bands aren't making the same amount of revenue as they use to

>>73647972
You're both faggots and this thread is shit. He's talking about how it's fun (which is subjective) and you're talking about how it's not fun and boring (which is also subjective). Completely useless arguments on both sides

>>73647786

more people ITT need to read this and stay quiet

>>73647665
>>73647705
>>73647684
These are three separate human organisms

>>73646756
I legitimately want to know who you're talking about. The only great rock I know is from the 90s at the latest. Who are the greats from the past few years?

>>73648029
>But compare those numbers to...
I don't need to because the claim was:
>everyone and their mother doesn't give ah fuck
Clearly over two million mothers give a fuck

>>73646741
>implying one case example proves your claim

>>73647195
It was actually Marilyn Manson

>>73648075
And you prove my point, only today's generation of young retards who make up the biggest numbers for selling music dont give a fuck, that number is pocket change

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>>73647013
The entire point of the OP is that rock is stuck in the past, and you defend rock's innovation with a subgenre that literally has "revival" in the name?

>>73646756
>It's just not as popular
That's why people say it's "dying". No genre stops getting play completely.

If rock is just dead commercially and not creatively like you're all saying, what's an actually innovative piece of rock music from the last 15 years?

>>73648002

>I'm not a loser, I enjoy fine cuisine AND eating poop!

>>73648167
Nice goalpost shifting.

>>73647269
how did you come up with this idiotic statement

>>73648252
Define "innovative"

>>73648002
So you admit something is subjectively fun for you and shit on everyone else for not liking it? And you're also very triggered for some reason, are you just projecting that hard?

I was more intrigued by him saying that while most guitar bands are stuck in the past (I think he said that most of them are either trying to be the new Mac Demarco or Joy Division or something), but he could name 10-12 bands who are doing something /completely/ original. I wonder what bands he means?

>>73648335
Featuring new methods; advanced and original.
That's what "innovative" means.

>>73647987
name dropping them is
>>73648034
he claimed that the reason i don't like it is because it's popular and that i should like it because it's fun. i don't think it's fun and i don't like it. he claims that it must be fun because other people think it's fun. i disagree

>>73648361
No music is truly new, advanced and original

Is this a trick question? Whatever I post, you'll say
>I hear a guitar in it, that's not innovative!

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>>73648002
It's not that I hate fun, "fun music" is just not what you think it is, slightly catchy song =! fun music, it is engineered to stay in your mind, not to be legitimately fun or good in any way.

Trap is energetic, sure, but there is no party vibe, it's AYO NIGGA DRUGS BLACK LIVES MATTER GIBSMEDATS AND PUSSY mumbled in one verse over a generic beat, I don't see how that is exactly a "party" vibe, you must go to some really fuckin whack parties man.

I am under 35 and I'm literally outside all day faggot, I work in construction, the younger cunts (shitcunt 17-25 or so y/o apprentices) play the shit all day over the worksite radio (pic related) so fucking loud you can never concentrate properly on what you do, you can't hear your workmates if they ask for help, a tool or are groaning in pain cause they shot a nailgun into something with something metal hidden in it and the nail ricocheted back at them, they are constantly asked to keep it the fuck down (they do for a few minutes then it's back to full blast) and have even had their radios confiscated but they just pull up their ute with a FULLY SIQ SOUND SYSTEM BREH and blast the shit out of that.

>>73648403
I'm really not trying to trick you.
>No music is truly new, advanced and original
I guess not, but you can still do something new that's new for a genre, no?

>>73647865
2 million units is impressive for a bunch of guys in their 70s.

>>73648508
Alright, I'll bite. Some of my favorites that are being innovative in their genres are
the pAper chAse
Wilco
Radiohead
Flaming Lips
A number of the Elephant 6 bands.

>>73647708
They've never actually heard a single Stones song, they just think the tongue logo is cool. Just like all those teenagers with Nirvana shirts.

>>73646756
like? and dont say king gizzard

>>73648053
There's good bands, thing is you don't know about them because the major labels have quit signing rock acts.

>>73648648
Yes and their surely not wearing them because of their newest album

>>73648712
Hey, they wear Nirvana T-shirts and not a single new Nirvana album has come out since 1993. :^)

>>73648648
It is nearly impossible to not here at least Satisfaction or Smells Like Teen Spirit. They would have literally heard either in the mall they bought those shirts at.

>>73647313
>>73647537
Ok now name some young guys in their 20s (not ancient bags of bones like Don Henley) who've released anything notable or who sell out stadiums.

>>73648769
Dipshit, they wear the shirts because they look "cool" like that other anon said, not because it's new or they like the music

>>73648882
>notable
Define notable
>sell out stadiums.
Why is this important?

>>73646717
See, I don't believe it because rock was really always that way to an extent. If rock is dying, it has more to do with the fact that major labels prefer cheaper, more profitable, and easier to manage genres.

>>73648882
royal blood
panic at the disco
walk the moon

>>73648931
He was asked to cite notable rock albums from the past 5 years but all he could come up with were records put out by geriatrics from the 70s that sold about 20 copies.

>>73648958
Didn't answer my question

Try again.

The business model that supported rock and funk doesn't exist anymore, this isn't 1975.

>>73648080
Want more examples of forgery and manufacturers of "taste"? Suit yourself.
https://www.wired.com/2011/12/hit-potential-equation/
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/bmvxvm/a-machine-successfully-predicted-the-hit-dance-songs-of-2015
https://mic.com/articles/131092/these-students-are-using-data-science-to-predict-which-rap-songs-will-become-hits#.rh2RJckPr
http://byteacademy.co/the-music-industry-is-rapping-to-data-science/

rap as a genre is between 25 and 30 years younger than rock

rock was still evolving and innovating in 1987, too

rock is dying because it's old
rap isn't dying yet because it's not as old

how long did jazz last before it became a self-referential nostalgia genre? from like 1890 to 1980? so 90 years?

seems like rock music will make it about 70 years

rap will be lucky to get 50

--I'm not saying rap is inferior to rock or jazz, btw; I'm saying that because of technology, cultural trends are now accelerated. Everything runs out of ideas quicker now.

>>73648002
trap isn't energetic it's a bunch of mumble rappers who sound like they're 10 seconds away from being in a codeine-induced coma. shit puts me to sleep.

>>73648958
Your asking for rock albums released within the last five years that are notable, did you forget what we are talking about ?

>>73647853
nnamdi ogbonnaya

>>73646717
Yes and no
Rock is obsessed with it's passed but this will give it a chance to evolve into something different and new it'll take a few years though

And hip hop is shit I will admit it has not been afraid to change and evolve but the evolution that has taken place is pretty lackluster

>tfw only white people care about rap

Well "rock" music is by definition drums + bass + guitar(s) + vocals. How much more can you add to that to keep it "rock"? By that definition, rock might as well be dead because who cares about that, what more could possibly be done? But when people think of rock, first thing that comes to mind is the guitar and guitar can be put into anything, that's never going away. Same applies to all the other instruments of course

>>73649044
>how long did jazz last before it became a self-referential nostalgia genre? from like 1890 to 1980? so 90 years?

Jazz died because after WWII, it stopped being danceable and fun, it turned into self-indulgent wankfests for people who wear a lot of wool. So the record industry turned to rock, and of course it also benefited from technological advances in that an electric guitar can make a wider variety of sounds than a horn or a trumpet.

>Everything runs out of ideas quicker now

But rock has always been the same thing in every decade, which is 4/4 music with guitars/drums/strong backbeat. Only the production aesthetic and lyrical content changes with the times.

>>73646766
I mean I guess you're right, but he's not that good.

>>73649131
>How much more can you add to that to keep it "rock"? By that definition, rock might as well be dead because who cares about that, what more could possibly be done?
the electric guitar can basically be made to sound like anything. people still haven't even bothered to touch what Loveless did 25 years ago.

>>73649155
>Jazz died because after WWII, it stopped being danceable and fun, it turned into self-indulgent wankfests for people who wear a lot of wool
I'm surprised you didn't accompany this masterpiece with a Jackie Chan reaction image.

>>73649131
The guitars never going away huh...tell us what are you typing on.

>>73649155
is your definition of dead just that it's not on the top 40?
>But rock has always been the same thing in every decade, which is 4/4 music with guitars/drums/strong backbeat.
nigga you can't be serious

>>73649189
In the 1930s, you could dance to jazz. Benny Goodman held huge parties every night. You can't dance to John Coltrane, consequently jazz died out as a mass market genre.

>>73649215
>nigga you can't be serious

Well, there were short lived excesses like prog, thankfully they didn't last long.

>>73649223
Uh, true? And, great too, wouldn't you say? Should've classical music never bothered to progress from baroque? Is hosting huge parties every night all that matters?

>>73649271
>Well, there were short lived excesses like prog, thankfully they didn't last long.
Yeah, original and uncompromising music didn't last long. Good riddance... And welcome revivals for the end of time.

>>73649271
do you actually just listen to pop music? not all popular music has to be super catchy. and it's not just prog that uses non 4/4 time signatures

>>73649296
Prog was taking rock down a dangerous path, the same one that killed off jazz, fortunately it was able to refresh itself and get back to basics.

Hip-hop is fucking shit. Fantano is a Jewish plant.

>>73646954
>All those replies
What struck the nerve? Was it the overweight remark?

>>73648711
he asked you what bands,if you wanna reply,reply with bands you retard

>>73647371
>drinking, sniffing cocaine and fucking whores all day long will never get old, 'cause everybody loves it, and that's what rap is all about.
t. virgin

>>73649366
https://bandcamp.com/tag/indie-rock

Here's about 100,000 of them.

>>73649155
this is bait.

>>73649089
100% Not true at all.

>>73649404
get ah load of this guy

>>73648508
Brave Little Abacus - Just Got Back

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>>73649420
This is literally every rap concert in existence. It's always whites defending blacks to the death in these threads too.

>>73649338
One tone pop melodies, ABAB song structures and record sales are clearly the pinnacle of music and art for you. No futher discussion and replies needed.

>>73649338
The guy you're talking to is some fedora Rush fan who can't relate to a band like AC/DC because he doesn't party or have any contact with other human beings (his dakimakura pillow doesn't count).

>>73649449
You can experiment with all the underground noise rock you want, but in the end it's the catchy pop singles that sell to normies, make money, and keep the biz alive. Kill all that off and you're left with these same guys wondering why there's no guitar music anymore?

>>73649457
This is a ridiculous and totally irrelevant ad hominem attack. And I'm sure you can prove that bit about having no contact with other human beings. The exact name of an anime character speaks more about you than anyone else.

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>>73649495
>but in the end it's the catchy pop singles that sell to normies, make money, and keep the biz alive
Why are you still replying? I realize all of this is a glorified form of shitposting and you aren't interested in an actual discussion.
>guitar music
Pic related.

>>73649198
A computer.

>>73648053
i like king gizzard & the lizard wizard.

in the same interview /ourguy/ tony said australia has a lot of interesting rock and that seems to be true

>>73648670
y not

>>73649457
AC/DC fucking sucks

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>>73649570

I like Death Grips, Tame Impala, St. Vincent, Travis Scott, Purity Ring, Danny Brown, Childish Gambino, Flying Lotus, Wavves, Frank Ocean, Lorde, Grimes, Vince Staples, Kanye West, Toro Y Moi, Mac Demarco, Asap Rocky, Neon Indian, Flume, Cults, Nirvana, FIDLAR, Earl Sweatshirt, and Madvillain to name a few (a lot). someone make generalizations about genres from artists I haven't named

>>73649631
Told you. ;)

>>73649580
The future of music everybody

>>73649631
Their music is shit but apparently Young is a right bloke, dad used to play in a small rock band with his nephew or son or some shit back in the 80's, he got to meet Angus a few times, apparently he was a pretty nice guy

>>73649683
sent ;)

>>73649518
>he thinks dakimakura is an anime character
lmao what a fucking normie

>>73649631
Then who bought back in black, one of the best selling albums of all time?

>>73649655
>3.20
>#5 for the year
tfw

>>73649756
Normies, but the album made $$$. I mean, nobody wants to be an artistic sellout, but you do need to make some money to live.

>>73649044

jazz is kind of interesting in that respect, it never really died, it's still evolving today, but after the 30s it never really came back into the mainstream, so the only people who really know about/understand contemporary innovation in jazz are major jazz fans (not just the "Miles, Coltrane, Mingus the list goes on" type of people).

>>73647972
>logical fallacies are reddit

oh boy

Oh is this a Poptimists Think all Rock Sounds like AC/DC thread?

>>73649753
>he thinks dakimakura is an anime character
lmao what a fucking normie
>In the East, "dakimakura" is associated with a love pillow. Love pillows are a subset of dakimakura usually portraying life-size pictures of anime characters. Some pillows may portray anime characters or pornographic film actors in suggestive poses.
I'll take "normie" in any sense over a "love pillow".

>>73649830
Some. Could AC/DC not eat before 1980?

>>73649893
Exactly.

>>73648022
I agree with this. What made rap unique is being killed off, everything they are attempting now is done better by other genres, it leaves me wondering why I should like to this when the artists they are obviously being influenced by does it so much better

>>73649836
It's like I said, there was still interesting stuff in jazz going on, but without catchy pop hits, it was never going to be a mass market genre again.

>>73649836
the fact is maybe rock will be the new jazz, another music only for clubs with a very specific public. But i dont have problems with this

Modern music is fuckin shit,rap is shit, fuckin shit, because is not about good music, is a guy speaking weird with a blast beat base, i dont care about it

the logical conclusion of any music genre is noise
rock got there first
there is nowhere else for it to evolve

>>73649956
>it was never going to be a mass market genre again.
Why are so many people here obsessed with record sales and commercial viability especially of jazz of all genres?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqp7ECKUl0
Learn a little something.

INDIE ROCK ISN'T DEAD

who else here is making an ambient techno/late 90s rap album? I'm bringing gangsta rap into a cyberpunk world

>>73648053
>>73648670
Sorry for the late reply, but there's a lot of psych rock that's pretty great, like:

King Gizzard
Ty Segall
Thee Oh Sees
Wand
Destruction Unit
Dungen

In general, though, I also really like:

Wussy
Torres
Parquet Courts
Yak
Hop Along
Nadine Shah
Lady Lamb

>>73649894
"dakimakura" is not the "exact name of an anime character"

>>73650423
Stop. Please.

There is not much rock out there engaging the youth, except some niche subcultures. Most rock that gets pushed from critics is either very poppy or "cutting edge." plus hip hop is very linked to specific culture unlike a lot of rock

>>73647195
Yeah but now we have Kanye, Travis and Thug as our "rockstars." The term is relative, not exclusive to rock.

>>73649447
>>73649089
clearly you don't have any black friends

>>73647437
it's like going outside. You don't "need to" persay but don't you want to know what's going on?

>>73646994
>94▶>>73647013 >>73647052 >>73647416 >>73647853
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>>73650024
I'm not making any judgement on whether record sales are a good or bad thing, I'm just stating the objective reason why jazz disappeared as a mainstream form of popular music.

>>73646994
The future of music isn't hip-hop, but electronic genres in general.
Look at street sects for example.

>>73646717
alright, serious question. of all the electronic music why do people say hip hop is the one moving forward? I've heard the same fucking trap song too many times to count. for a genre that's supposedly fresh it's actually even more stagnant than rock. and there is no extensive underground/independent avant-garde scene to speak of either, just a handful of meme artists

>>73650788
It's cause of computers and increasing social isolation, it's easy to make substantial songs alone now.

>>73646954
>out of touch with today's music
kek

>>73647329
Most people in my age group can, MCR counts. Fuck, I actually know two people with MCR tattoos

Gerard way btw, anyone who was tentatively into alternative radio-rock between '04 and '09 would recognize his name.

Also, just saying, green Day, Blink 182, and Simple Plan were fucking huge. Green day had 3 huge radio hits in '05. Rock acts aren't the biggest deal anymore, but there have definitely been relevant acts. Like, everyone knows who the fuck Dave Grohl is. The Foo Fighters have been churning out radio hits for years.

So yeah, I'm calling Foo Fighters on this one

>>73647821
Thats 2 out of literally dozens in the last 2 years. You can count the amount of decent trap albums on your fingers. Danny wishes he was bowie

>>73648613
>pAper chAse
My nigga

>>73650854

and how many innovative rock releases have their been in the last two years?

>note: Swans and Fleet Foxes are not innovative

>>73650649
>now we have Kanye, Travis and Thug as our "rockstars."
No one gives a shit about them outside the US, though. I don't even know who the hell is Travis. That's what puts me off so much about rap music, its cultural insularity. I'm fine with instrumental hip-hop or UK bass, but lyrical rap music seems so ego-driven and far away from me most of the time.

>>73649980
Except for specific subgenres, like maybe space rock or prog, I don't think rock in general can become a cult like jazz: it doesn't have the technical specificity and grounding in deep music theory that jazz does.

>>73650649
kanye sure. the other two are obvious industry plants that no one who doesn't have an interest in hip hop knows/cares about

>>73649365
Probably the out of touch remark
people want to think they're somehow superior in taste here, that falls apart when you point out that if you played almost any /mu/core at a party the room would clear out faster than anything.

>>73648015
No one can. We've established this. Fun is subjective

>>73651194
>people want to think they're somehow superior in taste here, that falls apart when you point out that if you played almost any /mu/core at a party the room would clear out faster than anything.
it really doesn't. surely if you think you have "superior" taste you wouldn't want or expect everyone to like what you like

>>73646732
>evolution

More like eugenics.

>>73651194
>quality of music is measured by party success
wew

>>73651214
Well no, not if you actually did have 'superior' taste, then you wouldn't care. My point is that in fact, most people here are total posers who REALLY, REALLY care.
This is why they're so easy to trigger by discussing anything outside of their comfort zone.

>>73651270
no, I mean people here pride themselves on being above normies, so in this theoretical scenario it proves their point that their choice of music would clear out the room. of course, that's undermined by the fact most people here have cookie cutter taste anyway, but that's not the point

good thread

>>73651194
Are you saying good music is only music that can be played at parties and that a lot of people enjoy?

>>73651380
I'm not sure that was exactly what he meant, but in fact yes, that's what he said because he phrased it like an idiot.

>>73651194
> the only good music is music that can be played at a party

poptimism was the worst thing to happen to music I swear to christ

He's right when it comes to rock. I barely listen to new rock.

He's SO wrong when it comes to hip-hop. Hip-hop is getting worse and worse. The lyrics, specially. It can still be saved tho.

>>73651760

http://thequietus.com/articles/22389-rockism-poptimism

this article sums up the distinction between poptimism and rockism, and the dangers of modern poptimism, very nicely imo

>>73651845
yeah I've read this one. It's a good read

>>73651845
Love Quietus.

>>73649447
if you're seeing kid cudi in nebraska probably yea. If you're seeing lil boosie on the chitlin then hell no

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>poptimism

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>>73646954

Hello, Israel.

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>>73646954
>out of touch with today's music

u wot m8

>>73648053
Volbeat
Highly Suspect
Red Sun Rising
Halestorm
The Pretty Reckless
Ghost

All of these are billboard rock artists right now and producing some quality music

>>73646954
>>73648002

wow u really showed us

>>73646750
it has tho...

>>73646732
Don't think of it so linearly. Think of it as a circle and not a line. Hip Hop is spreading outwards in every direction and rock is just staying stagnant or collapsing inwards.

>>73646756
>>73647145
>>73647386

You're missing the point. Rock will never stop being played by people, but if nobody is going to innovate than it may as well be dead. Rock is like Terry Schiavo right now. When was the last time we had an actual movement in rock that wasn't just a revival or a throwback to another, past movement?

>>73647269
pop punk has to be forced onto younger people in order for them to hear it.
it's dated and worthless

>>73647371
I don't know how you manage to have such a poor understanding of both genres with this statement. Music genres are rarely defined by their lyrical content alone. It's what's going on a sonic level that defines everything.

>>73652887
Sooooo much of that is buttrock dude

>>73649705
The computer is the present of music and at this point has also been the past for at least 20 years.

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Hip hop will probably start fading away in the coming decade, but it's not like some sort of rock is likely to be what replaces it. we will most likely see it replaced with a non meme version of electronic music+Jazz.

unless david bowie is to be believed when he says death grips is the future, in which case just run.

>>73654052
Pop punk is older than you think, actually it started with the British Invasion.

>>73646973
PARK A ROLLS ROYCE IN THE PICCADILLY

>>73653982
>Hip Hop is spreading outwards in every direction and rock is just staying stagnant or collapsing inwards.

It's almost as if...record labels are still signing rappers and investing money in hip-hop, but not in rock and you're not going to innovate anything without cash.

>>73651028
Besides, one of those two groups has been around since the 70s.

>>73646717
Dadrock is dead, it's true.

But here's the thing: if you think any genre of music is "dead" then all that tells me is you're not putting in the effort to find the good artists working in that genre.

And really, I lost interest in rap when nu-Kanye reared his head.

>>73651116
>Except for specific subgenres, like maybe space rock or prog, I don't think rock in general can become a cult like jazz: it doesn't have the technical specificity and grounding in deep music theory that jazz does.
But again, jazz was the rock-and-roll of the 1920s-30s-40s, only postwar and thanks to bebop did it become self-indulgent wankery. Rock almost got there in the 70s, but punk saved it.

>>73654052
>pop punk has to be forced onto younger people in order for them to hear it.
>it's dated and worthless
Well yeah, that's going to happen when the shit is being played by 45 year old retards like Green Day and Blink 182. I mean, if you had young bands in their 20s doing pop punk, the kids might be down with it.

>>73647269
I'm sorry but this has to be bait, just fuck off

>>73654045
good throwbacks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bland innovations

rock doesn't need to be "alive" (innovative)

Rock doesn't die, it goes away for a while, but then reinvents itself, in the same way that ancient greece died a long time ago, but then went on to inspire Rome, and then the Enlightenment after that.

Rock might be dormant right now but it's due for another reinvention/comeback. Probably very soon, like within the next year or two.

>>73646954
Love me the endless revolving door of one hoodlum/wannabe hoodlum telling us about many more hoe's or material possessions he has than the next

>>73655646
To be fair, gangsta rap really stopped existing after 50 Cent disappeared from the radar.

>>73647821
Did you just insult David Bowie in defense of Danny? What the fuck is this board?

>>73655626
I hope you're true. Goddamn I'm tired of shitty hip hop/pop infesting my radio.

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>this thread

>>73648252
ez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7_vH3H8LPI

>>73646717
Hes absolutely right. But i do think rock can be revived if rock musicians look forward. Do something modern new and different.

>>73646954
This

>>73655658
Damn is just another 40 minutes + of braggadocio despite not being gangsta rap

>>73655702
Radio will always be cancerous. It plays what's popular, regardless of quality. If everyone decided tomorrow all they wanted to hear was some dude slapping his scrotum against a bass drum that would be all radio played.

>>73655779
TURN DOWN FOR WHAT
TURN DOWN FOR WHAT
TURN DOWN FOR WHAT

>>73655734
It'll happen if there's a motivation to do so. Unlike in the 70s, a talented young band will be gigging in clubs forever, they won't get signed to Warner and have a career in the major leagues.

Bleeps are the future accept it. Rap is getting stale af tbqphwyf

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>>73655703
I swear, Christgau was the original nu male back like 30 years before the term was coined.

Can we at least agree you're not a real music fan if you discount entire genres?

>>73655893
I mean, I'm not questioning that rap is stale, the same basic format has existed over 30 years now. But the record industry just keeps signing more and more rappers because it's cheaper than a band with instruments.

>>73655703
Back to /pol/.

>>73646717

Does anyone have a link to where he said this?

>>73655618
Good innovations > good throwbacks

The point you're trying to make is retarded.

>>73655703
>80% of this thread bashing rap
>GOD WHY IS THIS THREAD FULL OF SO MANY NU-MALE KEKS WHO LOVE RAP "MUSIC"

>>73655508
It's almost as if rock doesn't resonate with people the way it used to because it became regressive. And almost all the innovations in rock were made by bands who had no cash. That statement alone leads me to believe you have no idea about rock music's history.

>>73655893
Bleeps are stale as fuck at the moment, nothing exciting is happening anymore.

>>73655871
I think with the internet you don't really need record companies these days. Don't get me wrong it helps to have the financial backing from a record company, but I'd say they're pretty irrelevant in terms of exposure. Bands make most their money from playing shows, all they need is fans willing to turn up. Be good at social media, make some videos and bam you got a following.

Look at Mars argo or that poppy as an example.

>>73656011
>It's almost as if rock doesn't resonate with people the way it used to because it became regressive
Yes and that coincided with labels dropping rock acts. No money=no innovation.
>And almost all the innovations in rock were made by bands who had no cash
Yes and they used to have a shot at a major label contract and someday playing stadiums if they worked hard enough and wrote good songs. Today they don't.

>>73648053
Pile is pretty good

>>73656034
The Internet is really mainly there to make it easier to find promising young talent (unlike in the 80s where you'd have to drive around to clubs and listen to terrible quality mixtapes), I guess Justin Bieber is the best example of an artist who was "discovered" online. You still need the big labels' money and marketing machine to become the next Kanye.

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>>73655646
Might I introduce you to a rapper who rips the mic without talking about hoes or material possessions

>>73656138
>(((discovered)))
ftfy

>>73656138
Plus another advantage is that talent from anywhere in the US can get noticed now while it used to be that if you were from California, you would (predictably) have a far higher chance of Sony discovering you. See, the Seattle music scene didn't start to get any attention until the late 80s because it was isolated and far away from the center of the entertainment industry in LA.

>>73656138
Yeah but i doubt many young rock musicians wanna be that big. Like they're too cool or at least they see them selves as this way. They wanna make and do it for a living but they don't want to be mainstream. Atleast in my experience anyway. It might make more sense to aim for superstardom to get half way but who fucking knows, people do as they please anyway.

>>73656219
I think it was better back then be in some ways. Grunge had (barely) enough time to be unique and to develop into it's own thing. These days any hint of a new thing and its over exposed and ruined before it has time to blossom.

>>73656229
That was what happened to grunge, the Seattle guys had this pervasive anti-rock star attitude unlike in Los Angeles where bands lived for money/coke/groupies/playing stadiums.

>>73656219
Every once in a while, a big-name band like Goo Goo Dolls or Slipknot would emerge from flyover country, but you very much did have a lot better chance of making it if you lived in New York or LA.

>>73656316
And that's why Grunge will be cool forever. And 1980s buttrock hair metal will be forever gay and dated.

>>73656157
Sure? Wer... Were you gonna?

>>73646717
You absolute dickhead, you don't get the point, don't you ? It goes way too far above your manlet's head, way beyond your memey reach, right ? I'm not even insulting you. I'm actually trying to make you understand what Jeff Mangum and Thom Yorke and Sufjan have a hard time teaching you : you are the ultimate pleb, you are way too concerned about what other people think about you. Guess what ? I don't have to justify myself about music because it should be fucking ILLEGAL to hold such a trivial opinion. Kendrick is literaly, L I T E R A L Y the point of music. Do you understand that I'm trying to show you that your memes are embodying your plebness ? This could all have been different. You and I could have been friends, talking about the merits of hip-hop, but no, NO, you just HAD to shit all the way down Kendrick's masterworks because you can't handle music with social consciousness. Guess what moron, Jesus Christ HIMSELF would have listened to Kendrick if he could.

>>73656379
>grunge
>not gay and dated as fuck
Nevermind, Ten, and Facelift were already dated-sounding by 1995.

>>73648503
lol

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>>73656416
Unkle Adams rips the mic without rapping about guns hoes or jewelry and he's not like everyone else is, he's original

>>73646717
It isn't possible to free yourself from the past without being obsessed with it, though.

>>73656461
Holy shit. Fuckin saved

>>73656479
Well i didn't have any of those bands in mind. Listen to Skin Yard or Tad, those bands were fucking outrageous and insane. That shit will always sound cool.

>>73656479
Oh god, you just reminded me of how I used to unironically listen to AiC, Korn, and Smashing Pumpkins when I was a suicidal edgy 15 year old. I put on Dirt or whatever now and I'm like "Jesus Christ, what the fuck is this? I can't believe I thought this was cool at one point."

>>73656548
It's a copypasta, newlord.

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>>73648503

>ute

It's not the music, it's because you're an upside down barbarian m8

>>73656647
Yeah you're supposed to grow out of edgy teen buttrock and listen to ambient field recordings or some Canadian hobgoblin like the sophisticated fedora-wearing adults on /mu/.

>>73656647
Bruhh don't diss Aic. Jar of flies is one of the best EPs of all time.

Shut the fuck up

I've got 3 terabytes of 60's pre-ambient

800 gigs of live recordings of this local band called the fuckerfucks. They played only 2 shows before breaking up but I had 11 redundant recording rigs all recording flac which I then layered over one another for 25,000 kbps bitrate.

8 terabytes of the beatles. No not THOSE beatles, the new beatles. They haven't recorded an album yet and technically they're not really a band yet but they're indie-gospel-post-funk-punk style is going to be huge when you guys hear their stuff in about 5 years.

4 petabytes of the Ethiopian Free Jazz wave that occurred in 1973 in a town called Wenji Gefersi.

18 terabytes of sound check recordings from the mid 90's band LFO. They only scored a hit with "I like girls (who wear abercrombie and fitch)" but they were way ahead of their time.

That's just my C: drive. I have 41 drives.

I can discount any genre I like, I've heard them all.

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>>73647351
this is a music board buddy

>>73656711
>Canadian hobgoblin
Don't be such a pleb that shit is so passe, do you even listen to Mongolian Throat singing. Fucking pleb.

Rock did all it could with the mainstream. There are still some highly inventive rock artists but they're not the sort that would click with normies and play in a Starbucks speaker system.

Hip hop will die too, I give it 30 years tops.

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>>73656768

Not that guy, but it's actually surprisingly dope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93MIxAf-c

>>73656747
All in 24 bit FLAC, because you like to inflate your sense of self worth through file sizes.

>>73656797
If your music is playing at Starbucks, it's already too late and you've sold out.

>>73656747

man this shit was posted like 10 years ago wheres the new beatles

>>73656819
Unless you're Adele in which case you can't sell out because you were Starbucks music to begin with.

>>73656870
Yeah, but she's in the upper echelon of by the number Starbucks pop.

>>73656870
Adele occupies the same general marketing niche as Mariah Carey in the early 90s although at least she has zero sex appeal so no chance of ever converting to generic R&B garbage.

>>73656316
>le money/coke/groupies/playing stadiums hell yeah rock on brother \m/ *plays Blues rock solo*
lol

>>73656316
>unlike in Los Angeles where bands lived for money/coke/groupies/playing stadiums.
So, basically straight, masculine, uncucked men?

>>73657215
Go to bed, Gene Simmons.

>>73648503
>Trap is energetic, sure, but there is no party vibe, it's AYO NIGGA DRUGS BLACK LIVES MATTER GIBSMEDATS AND PUSSY

Christ, this old man. Sucks people are playing their music as loud as a club at work, pretty fucking inconsiderate assholes. Congrats for no n bombs though.

The problem with """rock""" is that the industry needs to stop riding Dave Grohl's cock. Nirvana/Foo Fighters are the audio form of cancer, and as soon as one station comes out not playing them ever, rock can recover. There are so many artists out there, but we have to suffer the same Dave "My bandmate from Nirvana died and only your money can easy my pain" Grohl crap. Also, keep the new stuff on longer from one of the mainstream bands on a mainstream channel. The songs being played are almost 25 years old now, and the bands have evolved their sound, if their old music was good, then their fans will find it on their own.

>>73655618
Good throwbacks are bland safety nets.

>>73649457
Roasted lol

>>73655910
It's up to preference bruh, if someone has legit reasons then they're entitled to their beliefs.

>>73649570
Is that billboard?

>>73647195
I'd argue that with the breakthrough of alternative rock into the mainstream thanks to Nirvana, there was an influx of people that could've been rockstars by situation but not by personality. A few examples include Thom Yorke (and most of Radiohead), Rivers Cuomo, most of the Seattle scene; in a way, even going further back, it was showing even earlier - MBV going on hiatus post-Loveless in no small part due to Kevin Shields' perfectionism, Slint breaking up due to Brian MacMahan's depression, Ride's internal unity's collapse...

The 1990s were, for all the effect it had on music, an era with no rockstars because no one that was successful and could've been a rockstar was in the mental state to be one. And that ultimately lead to the downfall of rock in the mainstream because other genres were providing those stars, and thus the studios capitalized on it.