/prod/- Future Edition

how's this
https://clyp.it/kzp5bxhq

>>73609575
>https://clyp.it/kzp5bxhq
I think it has a lot of potential actually, but needs a lot of fixing like mixing, and quantizing, and vocals if you're into that type of shit. The deeper horn thing that comes in at around 0:55 is really out of sync which makes it seem like it doesn't mesh well with the underlying melody setup in the beginning. You really gotta fix that part.

Seriously. Quantize your shit dude. Not to the point of it being inhuman, but to a point where it's listenable.

Also the first part goes on for way too long and it becomes repetitive.

https://clyp.it/mivwlbhm
I switched the track to mono at some point in the beat and I feel like it was the wrong decision because it's too jarring. Should I have kept it in stereo?

>>73609689
thanks for the feedback, i will consider it, although don't see how the horn is out of sync though

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I'm bringing back old school dubstep.

>>73609818
that's too late. big beat revival is where it's at.

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>>73609575
Is this a joke?

>>73609785
well something's out of sync

>>73609840
no

>>73608729
>If I make a plunderphonics album to the extent of SILY by The Avalanches, how much would it cost to clear samples?
Depends on how big is your act and most importantly how big is the act you're sampling.
Most of the time it's a flat fee, but some times it's a percentage of the money you make (sales, royalties, etc).

Isn't mixing literally just making it sound good?

>>73609943
>...................................

>>73609818
can you make it good this time plz

>>73609943
Well, making the song sound good is the goal of mixing, but it's also the goal of everything you do in production, so that's a pretty idiotic statement.

>>73610064
>so that's a pretty idiotic statement
I try

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https://instaud.io/private/1ddd870c05126c41c8cda915da793288a2256fba

Still need to work on this... Feedback is appreciated.

>>73610058
no

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https://clyp.it/mivwlbhm

>>73610077
In all seriousness though, you mix to:

-Create a good balance between everything that's going on in your song, so you don't have a sound that's "too loud" or "too quiet", and hopefully that stays the same when played on all different speakers, headphones, etc.
Also to have some cohesion between the parts and make them sound like a single piece instead of a bunch of individual sounds playing on each other (but mixing isn't enough for that, as you also need good arrangement, sound selection/design, and mastering to achieve good cohesion).

-Bring (or take away) attention to the right elements at the right time.

>>73610082
I thought it was going to be interesting until the beat came in lol sorry

what did you use for the granular part? the rest is meh.

>>73610141
trying to fl?

needs way more fuckery.... the guitar needs a lot of processing imo. drums might be too big....

mix issues mostly

Recreated Koopa's Theme from SM64 and would like feedback on the synth sounds and the overall mix.

https://clyp.it/ulskxp03

Original - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJzc2lj3YdI

>>73610297
(not listening to the original because then i can't be objective)

the two leads are clashing hard

i don't like the drums. too much reverb... very much 80s/90s cheesy drum machine sounding. the hats especially lack presence/sound washed out.

i don't LOVE the synth sounds but they're okay ish....most of the problem is clashing synths and drowned out drums....

if you're going for that old school sound at least gate the reverb on a send lol

>>73610223
>mix issues mostly
Can you go into a little more detail?

>>73610364
(about to play a game i'll come back right after)

I don't know that there's much more I can say than everything is fighting to be in the front

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hey what's up dudes. Can I get some feedback?

https://clyp.it/tav1c03p

Is there a better community other than /mu/ where people talk about music production and we dissect new releases and talk about the genres and where the industry is going?

Like a discord server or something?

>>73610452
unironically /r/edmproduction

>>73610465
i feel like that would only be full of teenagers and people who only make dubstep and house

>>73610393
>I don't know that there's much more I can say than everything is fighting to be in the front
I got you. Thanks

>>73610465
>>73610481

Actually just checked it out. The discussions going on there are leagues better than anything I've ever seen on /prod/

I'll lurk for a few days and see how it goes.

>>73610481
There are many producers of mainstream genres like that, but there are also many producers of other genres.
Lots of experienced and helphul people too.

Also try /r/WeAreTheMusicMakers/ and whatever sub for your genre.

>>73610361
Cool, thanks.
Looks like mixing and gated reverb is what I'm going to look into.

>>73610465
/r/wearethemusicmakers

but they're a bit wanky

>>73610670
What do you mean?

>>73610670
Reddit

I hate using that word as an adjective but it's what I mean.

>>73610452
be the change you want to see anon

>>73610637
>>73610670
>/r/WeAreTheMusicMakers

honestly just as cancer as /prod/ except with a lot more self promotion of shitty articles

occasionally people post videos (also their own pretty often) but sometimes those can help if you're still new/unfamiliar with some common techniques

>>73610699
>>73610686
for u

>>73610699
>>73610714
(also full of amateur circle jerking and trite advice with an "anything is possible xD attitude)

i just want a small tight knit community of talented producers who i can talk about music production in depth with and won't bash music for stupid reasons

neither reddit nor /prod/ offers me that

reddit is too circlejerky and prod is too superficial

>>73610699
Oh well, it's reddit after all.
I used to have /r/edmproduction in my RSS feeds for the links they post, and there were always new finds.
Never followed WATMM because it was more generic and I wanted EDM-specific stuff, but they sometimes post cool resources (either tutorials, or samples, or whatever).
After a few days you develop a sort of intuition that helps weed out the useless "reddit-y" posts and find the cool third party stuff they post.

>>73610773
There are normal BBS forums for that.

Maybe see if you have a local community and make friends with them.

>>73610773
>prod is too superficial
are you referring to the >nice song (shit advice) listen to mine< or something else?

>tight knit community of talented producers

hate to break it but they have better things to do and don't need this shit

also whenever people come in who actually know what they're doing they're usually shunned... when i noticed that and (Actual) professionals commented on that on watmm was arround when i stopped taking anything people say online seriously. easily digestible amateur level dialogue is all that will fly

>>73610794
those are either all dead or dying
there's an ableton user group meetup that goes on every month in my area, I've been meaning to go but it seems like it's more of a place for people to network with each other and use each other to try to make it than actually improve their skills and have meaningful interactions


how did people like steve duda and deadmau5 meet up in the 90s and collaborate over the internet? Is it because the internet was smaller so it was easier to find people who had autistic level of interest in the same topic as you?

>>73610855
Finding a single friend to click with is way easier (even now) than finding a community of people.

Even on /prod/ you can probably find people who would exchange contacts and be firends outside. It's just that this kind of imageboard isn't made for that, so nobody tries.
If we all started namefagging maybe we would become friends and would bring our discussions outside of here as well.

>>73610852
I guess because of the anonymity of 4chan it's hard for prod to feel like a community, and that's really what I'm looking for. It's not easy for discussions to get anywhere past posting a demo and getting basic mixing advice from a stranger who may or may not know what they're talking about.


I guess I might need to start actually going outside and going to shows and talking to people. I'm sure people exist who are into music as much as I am, I live near San Francisco. I just hate socializing with strangers, but that's a personal issue I have to deal with.

>>73610773
That's what friends and music scenes are for. Not that I would know about either.

https://instaud.io/12Ns
tips pls

>>73610914
we really gonna start namefagging tho?

desu I wouldn't even be that mad. It'd be a break from the 4chan monotony.

>>73611324
Namefagging isn't for everyone.
Especially for the kind of crowd that this website attracts.

If somebody wants to, why not?
I think it would make /prod/ better.
The only important thing is that we keep it within these generals and don't start tripfagging around the website, because that would be shameful.

>>73611371
>If somebody wants to, why not
because it's unwelcome on 4chan unless you're some faggot trying to attention whore obviously

>I think it would make /prod/ better.

How so? I can only see the obvious negative side affects happening

>>73611324
4chan is not the platform for namefagging.

Prod would become a cancerous shithole if namefagging were encouraged.

There can be a community outside of 4chan where we can encourage identities, but it has to be outside of 4chan. An unofficial prod discord server might be the best place to start

>>73611459
i feel liek that would get old and die after a few hours desu

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>when you sample a hip hop song to make another hip hop song

>>73611435
>because it's unwelcome on 4chan unless you're some faggot trying to attention whore obviously
That's why I said to keep it inside these generals.

>>73611435
>How so? I can only see the obvious negative side affects happening
Because people would have the incentive of acting like an actual community (to keep their reputations and everything).
For example, if a tripfag is in the thread, he can't just pretend he's not here and not give feedback.
Or if advices are tied to a name, they're more likely to be good and in-depth compared to the half-assed tips we get now.

You know, all those consequences and social aspects that come from people having a name and not be able to act carelessly like we do here anonymously.

You can always post without it if you want to.

The only downside is that people start attention whoring, but they can be filtered easily, so that's a non-issue.

There are multiple niche communities on 4chan (either on the smaller boards, or in generals inside big ones) where there is actually a community with tons of tripfags, and the attention whoring is not that bad.

>>73611580
This is not the platform for that. It would devolve into two or three guys dominating the threads, with a bunch of the namefags eventually leaking into the rest of /mu/ and making everyone hate prod for causing it

How's this sounding?

https://clyp.it/kfmflnyx

>>73611664
Yeah, you're probably right about the leaking part.
I don't know about the 2/3 guys dominating the thread. This depends on how many of us are here in the first place, and how many are dedicated enough to come regularly and build a community.

As someone else said before, a Discord (or similar) would get old pretty quickly, so I guess we're bound to have a shitty anonymous community with no chance to improve it, since nobody gives a shit about posting valuable content.

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How do I stop being rhythm deaf? I can't transcribe rhythms worth a shit.

>>73611910
Practice.

>>73611561
still more successful than u :^)

>>73611580
>people start attention whoring
that's definitely not a non issue wtf

i'm aware of those other communities, /prod/ is obviously vulnerable to self promotion though

>Or if advices are tied to a name, they're more likely to be good and in-depth compared to the half-assed tips we get now.
>etc etc

nobody is forcing them to post lol. all that would happen is if a person feels like posting something longwinded they'll want that attributed to their identity. if they're feeling lazy they won't post or will take it off

I'm a regular who gives long winded advice semi-frequently... idk, it might just be me but i feel like most people who do things to benefit the community on 4chan do it willingly and without thanks for the sake of altruism

with trips those same people will still be here but itll attract the wrong people

idk biggest thing imo is if it were a good idea it would have already caught on, nothing was stopping it from happening before

>>73611675
hella raw hella fat
(too) and (too)

need to low pass and carve out low mids a lot...

or leave some. i can see a trashy aesthetic with the drums working but where it's at right now... not so much. nothings in the background except that pad

>>73611947
I mean how tho? For chords and intervals I used this service, grinding intervals and chords for maybe 100 hours altogether.

https://www.musictheory.net/exercises/ear-interval

I'm not sure if there is something similar to do in terms of identifying complex rhythms.

>>73612007
>still more successful than u :^)
who? Dilla, you, or the artist I'm sampling?

What de-essers do you guys use?
Any decent freebies? All i've tried is spitfish, it's making things glitch out on me

>>73612069
try slowing things down and listening more carefully? drum tutorials on youtube... practice to a metronome

>>73612092
oh i thought you were making fun of him nvm homie

>>73612007
>that's definitely not a non issue wtf
It's an issue when people start focusing more on being seen than on posting good replies. Like it already happens with tripfags (which is mostly the reason why some of them are universally despised while others are not).

>>73612007
>nobody is forcing them to post lol. all that would happen is if a person feels like posting something longwinded they'll want that attributed to their identity. if they're feeling lazy they won't post or will take it off
I was referring to how people here complain all the time that nobody gives feedback or help. If you're a tripfag and you know people know you're in the thread, you can't pretend you're not online, because people will call you out for never being helpful.

>I'm a regular who gives long winded advice semi-frequently... idk, it might just be me but i feel like most people who do things to benefit the community on 4chan do it willingly and without thanks for the sake of altruism
Yeah, but there can be incentives for people who wouldn't do it anonymously (because why would them if there'd be no consequences for not doing it?), but with a reputation they would.

>idk biggest thing imo is if it were a good idea it would have already caught on, nothing was stopping it from happening before
It doesn't necessarily have to happen organically. It can also happen artificially, like we were discussing earlier.

>>73612127
lmao nah never

who tf would be in a music production thread shitting on Dilla?

I think Dilla sampling other hip hop songs was one of the dopest things he did.

>>73612194
>people will call you out for never being helpful.

would they? i'm not sure that kind of entitlement is healthy. nobody has to listen to their songs jeez

>>73612194
>there can be incentives for people who wouldn't do it anonymously

my gut and desire for integrity tells me that's fucked but then again, if it helps people to get more useful feedback that might be a good thing..... meh

Sup /prod/

I'm looking for a poly specificity to serve as a chord machine.

Save up for a Dreadbox Abyss or buy a Korg Minilouge now?

>>73612220
>who tf would be in a music production thread shitting on Dilla?

thread or two ago some anons were going back and forth on it actually, ended up in the instigator making a quick beat in that style to prove how easy it was. (just a dusty sample with a beat on it)

I don't love dilla or anything but I kind of get how some dudes might hear it and think it's overly simple/easy to pull off (obviously not true)

>>73612262
>would they? i'm not sure that kind of entitlement is healthy. nobody has to listen to their songs jeez
Not in a "fuck you you piece of shit you owe it to me" kind of way. Just as in people aknowledging you're not helpful, especially if you then ask for feedback yourself.

>>73612262
>my gut and desire for integrity tells me that's fucked but then again, if it helps people to get more useful feedback that might be a good thing..... meh
It's human nature man.
It's why forums with nicknames and identities are always significantly better than their 4chan counterpart where everyone is always shitposting and giving halfassed replies.

>>73612283
Chordbot ;^)

>>73612298
I was in that thread. Dude was a dick but I still liked the sample. Didn't sound like Dilla, but it wasn't bad.

>>73612314
I'd rather have the shitposting and variety thrown in with rare quality as opposed to consistently luke warm... that's why we're all on 4chan lol. It sounds like you just want it to be something else

>>73612489
You can still shitpost without the trip.
Just that having trips and building an actual community ON TOP of that would be helpful for actual serious stuff.
It's not an either-or thing. We'd still have a majority of anonymous users, so we'd have the best of both worlds.

A few months ago I watched a youtube video about a producer making a beat by sampling some records.
He was black and maybe tall. He was smiling and easy going, and was sitting in a studio (IIRC it had that visible red brick look) where he had his laptop on a table close to the wall, and he sat between the table and the wall (so that the laptop screen was pointed at the wall, as opposed to having the table right next to the wall and the back of the laptop pointed at it).
From the camera's perspective the laptop was on the right, and his record player was on the left. He also had a Machine or MPC (something like that).

Not sure but I think it was one of those "make a beat in under X minutes" videos.

Does anybody know what I'm talking about?

>>73612114
No you're mistaken. I don't want to play anything. I'd really prefer to understand how the notes should look at a fundamental level, not just play them. I have bad coordination anyway. If this were a pre-midi world I wouldn't bother trying to do anything musical. Purely cerebral process for me.

On the topic of maintaining a better community, I feel like the OP is way too long and can easily be consolidated into less shit, like putting all of the learning resources into a separate pastebin instead of giving each one it's own link, maybe have rotating links for news like other generals, but overall keep it less cluttered and oriented towards people just getting started with production.
As well as maintaining the OP, we should really push the wiki way more and encourage contributing towards it. I mean, it's not even in the fucking OP links, that at least would be a good start.

>>73612862
i dont know
i honestly have never once clicked on any of those links

>>73612862
The entire YouTube section sans art of mixing/that 80s synth tutorial should be axed.

/prod/ - Music Production

life support editon

Welcome to /prod/, a place to discuss music production, sound design, engineering and all things related. Discussion is encouraged, elitism is mocked.

Upload WIPs on https://clyp.it/ or https://instaud.io/

GIVE and RECEIVE feedback. DO NOT post Soundcloud, YouTube or any links where you are not anonymous. That is considered self promotion and will result in bad feedback!

--------------------------------------------------

>Production Resources
https://pastebin.com/08mwwiAV

>/prod/ Wiki - Guides and Tutorials
http://mu-sic-production.wikia.com/wiki//mu/sic_Production_Wiki

>The Art of Mixing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjOdqZFvhY

>Intro to Synthesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atvtBE6t48M&list=RDatvtBE6t48M#t=1764


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>>73613996
good size

>>73612862
>maybe have rotating links for news like other generals
I like this. But what would we talk about?

>>73615032

Look at what a lot of the YouTube tutorials do and it reflects a lot of these threads, I personally think that the tutorials claiming to teach entire mix processes from start to finish tend to be too superficial, and you can't really blame them for that when there is a whole world of technique to teach.

The alternative is to be more specific, so threads could be alternated - like "This is drums week" for example where we try to concentrate on drum recording, miking, mix and processing techniques and maybe that would help build a /prod/ knowledge base over time as the threads cover each instrument?

Admittedly this kinda thing is usually best delivered through forums rather than threads that expire and are pruned, but in time there would be an archive we can refer back to for specific questions (to save having to go over the same replies over and over) and it would be a good thing to try to build.

>>73615255
This is a really good idea. I support it.

How am into /prod/, fellow /mu/tants? :^)

>>73615255
I like this approach a lot. It always gives us something relevant to discuss.

anyone here who barely watches tutorials/reads manuals and shiet? I think its kinda boring

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Since no clyps have been uploaded in a while I'm reposting Koopa's Theme with a updated mix
>>73610297
>>73610361
Cut back on the reverb, changed the hats and ride, add gentle compression to the two layered synths,
raise the second synth an octave. and general EQ.
Is it any better? Looking to see about how the synths sound and if they are clashing.

https://clyp.it/0k0i5lww

>>73615337
>>73615604

First few weeks would be a bit sticky, if we're trying to keep to a single targeted subject while still seeing questions coming in that are unrelated, but if we can get over that and at the end of each week we canvass for the following week's subject we can keep things useful for most people.

Hi, I think this sounds pretty good but I just dont know where to take it next and continue making it into a full song.
https://clyp.it/xoubduq2

So... what do you guys think?
https://clyp.it/w4m3y0sw

Ok so i got some audio samples of percussive instruments

How do i get to use them like a virtual instrument that i can program on the reaper's MIDI roll, instead of pasting each audio clip on the timeline?

>>73616571
Really repetetive and boring.

Can I get some feedback?

https://clyp.it/tav1c03p

>>73615255
We gotta start with drums. Drums are the basis of almost every good track, and my drums are ass.

>>73616986
so like, how could i improve?

>>73617224
I feel like my ears are gonna explode every time I hear that snare.

>>73617408
Sounds fine in my headphones.

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how important is knowing music theory to making electronic music in general?

>>73618119
if you ever want to be good, very

>inb4 some faggot saying it's fine to not know anything to feel better about himself

>>73618159
>>73618119

i know enough for example to take a c major scale and say I can pull c major, d minor, e minor, f major, etc from it to arrange a song but in terms of melody my understanding is probably limited to "what sounds good" even if know certain steps of the scale should sound better than others, i just use my ears to tell me what's right

i think that's the very basic theory you should at LEAST know

>>73618203
just learn to recognize intervals / natural minor

also cadences

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/prod/ was wrong again ahhahahahaha /prod/ btfo where the currywave at hahahahahah

>>73618268
Fuck off back to /nba/

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what vst synth plug in do i need to make donna summer i feel love bassline?

asking for a friend

>>73618414
search for curwarchamp in pohotopshop

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>>73618432
?

https://instaud.io/private/0ac3d8ba25b02ce16b51bf55cf74d69da2b6cf33

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>>73618581

>>73618119
look, i know a LOT of music theoryand even though i can come up with great progressions i find it really hard to write nice melodies, theory it makes it easier and more fun to write music but it really more important to "feel" the music, deadmau5 knows absolutley nothing about theory, he just pushes buttons until he thinks something sounds good.
theory will help you think better and more satisfying ways to drive your song to where you want it to go but i mean you can still do interesting stuff without knowing

>>73618414
This setup looks uncomfy as fuck, what were they thinking when they staged this pic.

>>73618414
anything based on the major 80s monosynths of the time (namely the SH-101, SC Pro 1), so from best to "worst":
>u-He Repro-1
>d16 LuSH-101
>TAL Bassline-101

you can also get the same sounds out of u-He DiVA with enough tinkering that you would their Repro-1, but the Repro-1 captures the SH-101/Pro-1 sound a bit better due to the inclusion of their specific eccentricities.

>>73617362
not him but:
the beginning is nice, a good build up, but what it's building up to is boring since the main loop is boring and not exciting to warrant it being used as the foundation of the track imo- it also sounds very bare and could use some further affecting but namely some saturation to bring out the highs better. the melody is too buried within the mix to grab your attention as it should and doesn't fit the aesthetic of the main reversed sample loop. the drums sound too clean and lack any real character sonically and musically (rhythm and variation wise) which again lead to it sounding out of place aesthetically.

this is mostly opinion though so take it as you will

posting my drums just so you can jelly it

https://clyp.it/zlbluyvh

>>73620164
I like the snare but overall I'm not jelly.

>>73620341
too bad

>>73620164
Poop

you can jelly my bass track too
https://clyp.it/hsibmvsh

I wish someone would make an easel esq synth desu. Stuff like the 0 coast is cool, but lacking.

>>73620713
I like it. I wanna hear full version.

>>73620713
>ripping off the back to the barnyard theme

>>73621084
i mean you can hear the song already cos its a cover

>>73621138
someone else did

>>73609432
plis crit this lazy track i made
https://clyp.it/ksbkuspb

>>73621290
It's shit. You're not even trying.

>>73621290
Some could call it avant-garde

>>73613996
It should give a guide on how to google your problems and questions. So many people will find their answers there on everything

>>73621679
i agree thanks
but crit would be good
>>73621758
thanks man

>>73621880
The bass thing in the intro is really dry and flat. The progression doesn't really make sense. 30 seconds in you have 3 instruments that aren't mixed properly so they don't blend well. The drums are nice I guess but at that point it becomes kind of a clusterfuck.

It sounds like you just put some sounds together and called it a day. Keep practicing and get better at everything.

>>73620713
added some six strings... not as confident in eqing them though

https://clyp.it/sp2b3vi1

>>73622011
thanks man
i'll make sure to pratice
desu i haven't mixed/mastered the track even 1%

Man how do i make music, i know theory, i know what works but i feel thats what limits me, i can play a piece fine, i can do well on music tests (ie compose the next 24 bars) that sort of shit. But when i actually sit down i have nothing. I can make interesting elements from time to time, like particularly drum patterns. but beyond that idk

>>73622647
I sometimes come up with music by trying to play other music by ear. In the process of figuring out the song I come up with new melodies accidentally and then there's already a working structure to work with.
This probably doesn't work if you've got expert ears.

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not sure if this has to do with /prod/ but fuck it

literally how the FUCK do I teach myself to sing? all the advice I've gotten here and other places amounts to "lol just record yourself bro" but that doesn't teach me how to actually sing you faggots. All I saw online was "lol just use your diaphragm" which I already know.

I took a singing class last semester at my uni and I learned the whole diaphragm, opening the larynx, etc. spiel but that was traditional singing, I read contemporary singing uses different techinques. for example I see contemporary artists move their larynx alot when I was taught to keep it as low and open as possible. any self-taught singers on here, how'd you learn? what exercises should I do? how do I know when I sound good?

>>73622911
match pitches
learn dynamics
desu even with training a shit voice will sound shit
join a choir

>>73622911
While it's not strictly /prod/ related, and I can't sing to save my life, what is prod related and can turn pretty much anyone into a legit singer is newtone.

It's pretty easy to use. It wont make you a better singer if that's what you need but it will fix your shitty songs even if you sing like crap (to some degree it's not magic either).

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http://vocaroo.com/i/s0cLzUlSAVs6
Need some help guys, my gf says my Hi-hats are always too loud in my songs, and i keep lowering their volume but she keeps saying that... Is she right?

>>73622962
not too loud, just reduce the hi end perhaps. This sounds pretty boring desu

>>73622926

the professor for my singing class said I sing well so I'm confident I have a good foundation for a decent voice

>join a choir

that's not contemporary singing fegit

>>73622934
no

>>73612611
Anyone?

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I'm just starting out and I want to start watching tutorials about the basics, but for the next few months I'll mostly have time when I'm away from the computer, so does anyone have some good beginner tutorials that don't need a big screen to see what the guy's doing, so I can watch them on my phone?

I'm using Ableton, so preferably stuff that's not exclusive to other DAWs.

Thank you in advance.

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I found a website that says the korg monologue is a good starting synth, but it also says it's a 4-voice machine but on Thomann.de the korg monologue is listed as 1-voice while a slightly more expensive microkorg (which doesn't look particularly micro on the pictures) is 4-voice.

This confuses me.

how do i make classical music? i dont want to make shitty edm stuff

>>73623803
You compose the music and then arrange it in the DAW. It's pretty much the same process.

>>73623803
>you go to a conservatory for 10ish years
>get to know people there, performers, institutions and ensembles
>maybe get some commissioned work for ensembles and win some competitions, get some of your stuff out there and played
>then when a label will offers you a shitty deal to either include some of your work on an album or create a whole new record around it they send out a crew of engineers to record it, if you're unlucky it's just a concert with some little patch takes

pc flatlined and now trying to reinstall all my vsts, oh my god what a fucking nightmare

https://clyp.it/e0lobfi5
hot off the daw - headphones out of reach - tru heads mix on macbook speakrz

>>73623803
Sibelius, but it will always sound like midi and never the real thing. Unless you print the sheet music out and give it to your orchestra of course.

>>73624303
>it will always sound like midi and never the real thing
I'm pretty sure that with enough practice you can come pretty close to a realistic sound.

>>73623803
>>73624303
>>73624329
http://syntheticorchestra.com/used/
Torrent everything on this list and you won't need an orchestra.

>>73624362
not dude you're answering to, but thanks dude, this sounds pretty useful

>>73623529
the minilogue is the poly analog, monologue is (unsurprisingly) mono

Anyone else getting "upload failed" from clyp.it?

>>73625024
Yeah it's down a the moment.

>>73623529
It might not be really necessary to get a real analog monosynth as your first one, it can be fun, my first synth was also a cheap analog mono, but you could really do more with a 12-voice virtual analog.

>>73625145
this, I think the main focus of a first synth should be versatility and having a good interface and as much one-knob-per-function as possible instead of menu diving, otherwise you might as well stick with plugins

>>73625178
My first synth was a Korg minilogue. First hardware anyway. Wat about you m8?

>>73625195
prophet VS 19"
so basically the complete opposite of what I just said, I couldn't use half of what it has to offer for years, not only because I lacked the skill and knowledge but also the external equipment
just got a minilogue the other month, it's a super neat synth and IMO a thing to start with

>>73625195
MFB Nanozwerg in my case. But of course I already used vst plugins with a little usb keyboard before that, so it was quite different from what I used to play with.

I need a new laptop for music production. Do I buy into the mac meme or do I get a beefy windows PC?

>>73625569
Whatever you're the most familiar with. It's honestly the same shit, though I guess finding stuff for mac can be trickier sometimes.

>>73625569
what >>73625607 said

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https://clyp.it/x30ubygk
I tried making some music; help.
>psychadelic
>lo-fi
>noise rock
>instruments i cant play

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>>73618414
>monitor lower than the speakers so you can never be comfortable
>rack covered by laptop so you can't even see it
>completely random lamp placement means shit lighting
>0 cable management, a complete mess waiting to be pulled and destroyed
>things stacked where there should be drawers, again waiting to fall down and break

i am T R I G G E R E D

>>73624676
Glad to help mane. Obviously you don't have to torrent everything, but it's an amazing list of realistic sounding libraries for Kontakt, look up their demos and shit and see which ones you want according to your needs :)

>>73625569
Get a gaming laptop if you need it for all purpose, gonna handle all your music needs nicely. If all you want is music production and don't mind spending couple extra hundred bucks go with Mac but honestly imo it provides nothing more unless you're a Logician.

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>>73625948
>I tried making some music
congrats, it's painful to listen to but you made it

>>73625948
It's got some cool parts and I dig that aesthetic but it's ear piercing at some points. Like a fork against a plate. Need to work on that.

>>73626019
thanks.
got something more constryctive? do you at all care for lo-fi music and noise rock? does the retro drum machine just feel ridiculous? i'd love some feedback to make it better.

>>73626069
>does the retro drum machine just feel ridiculous
yeah i thought you'd just let the metronome in the master for a sec

anyway it just feels pointless and vague, like more of an experiment than a song

>>73626069
Not him but don't start by making lo-fi music or anything purposefully-shitty.
It will just sound like regular non-purposefully made shit.

Start by learning to make good sounding music, get good at following the rules, and then break them in specific and deliberate ways.

Imagine if Picasso started by painting cubist painting without first learning to paint normally...
It would just be like the shit you find on DeviantArt.

>>73626046
Thanks. I've listened to it so much I can't hear it, could you point out any specific times?
>>73626098
Yeah, I never have the energy to make full songs. I don't give too much thought to structure, and definitely not before starting to record. Will make an effort to make more song-like songs.
>>73627313
Good points. I do make more melodic music with an acoustic regularly, but I'm currently stuck with my electric and no amp. Everything is recorded through an old pair of Turtle Beach headphones; the aestethic isn't (only) for the sake of itself. I have no idea how to produce music in a clean/reasonable way though, so I should probably get a grip on those techniques before trying to mess with them.

Thanks for the feedback.

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>>73612611
Verysickbeats

I think your talking about this guy. Very mellow guy, positive vibes and he makes very sick beats

>>73628229
Thank you but that's not him.

IIRC he was some sort of famous or successful producer.

>>73627313
>Start by learning to make good sounding music, get good at following the rules, and then break them in specific and deliberate ways.

No, this is retarded. There aren't rules to begin with. There's no reason to master something you don't want to do just so that you can not do it.

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>>73628325

>>73628349
Make a real argument, dipshit.

>>73628325
>>73628377

I want to believe this is bait so badly :(

>>73628325
Are you 16?

>>73628480
what does it matter what age I am because you're older doesn't mean you make better music than me faggot

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>>73628502
I probably am though.

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>>73628540
goddamit, I meant do, not am.

>>73628377
>There aren't rules to begin with
Yes there are. It's what musicians and producers study in school and learn through books, lessons/mentoring, tutorials, practice, etc.
They're obviously not set in stone and can be broken, but to say there are no rules to make good-sounding music is just retarded.

>>73628325
>There's no reason to master something you don't want to do just so that you can not do it
Except that it's basically the only way he'll be able to produce a good quality version of what he wants to do.
Producing is made of so many steps and techniques, and if he doesn't master them (or at the very least learn them) it'll be extremely hard to make something he himself likes, let alone have other people like it.

If you don't know how this stuff works, you'll only produce shit that sounds like it was made by someone who doesn't know what he's doing.

If you're serious, I bet your music is extremely shit, and you're too incompetent to realize it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>>73628014
>could you point out any specific times?
At 44, for example, it's painful to listen at a high volume.

>>73628502
Amature adult wouldn't have reached that idiotic conclusion because they would have the knowledge and logic to understand how what you said is incredibly retarded.
That's why you sound young. Because you said the kind of stupid shit that foolish and ignorant teenagers tend to say.

>>73628625
you think you know everything fuck off

>>73628723
I don't.
That's the point.

You sound like you do, and that's why we're calling you a retard or 16yo.

I'm just explaining to you why you're wrong.

And try and be humble dude.
You can't have a discussion if your main arguments are the insults.
That's not how mature people discuss.

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>>73628723
Seriously lad, how old are you?

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>>73628723
Make a real argument, dipshit.

>>73628325
yes there is dumbass, you have to know what rules you're breaking and why. otherwise you're literally just dong random bullshit

>>73610141
I like it a lot, actually. That being said, I'm not native to /mu/ and I know jack shit about music, but it sounds nice. I like it.

>>73610424
I fucking love this, can you make a full song? This is actually so good! Do you have a soundcloud or youtube or something?

Should I buy FL Studio or just pirate Ableton and deal with shit not working

Hey, /prod/ can you help me with a question I can 't seem to find the answer to. Is there a songwriting/music term for the technique used in a lot of rap/trap vocals where a second vocal comments briefly on what previously was said in a short, usually one or two word phrase or an onomatopoeia?. I see it done a lot in migos tracks songs, but basically everyone does it.

For example, at 16 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99E3ZsAyfwk

"I DON'T LOVE NOTHIN' BUT MY MONEY AND MY RIFLE (money)"

The second "money" is what I'm talking about. It's basically done throughout the entire song.

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Still haven't upgraded from Ableton 8

>>73629189
Thanks anon, means alot.

I'm just starting to pick up music production as a hobby to occupy my time not working during the uni break, played a little bit of guitar and piano when I was younger but not much formal training. Regardless, I've pirated Ableton and Komplete 9 (but haven't installed Komplete yet, given how fucking huge it is) - looking to maybe do some synthwave and hip-hop stuff, but when dealing with drums, should I be looking for samples/loops or VSTs? Taking the classic 808 sound as an example, I've seen tons of sample packs and Kontakt instruments, but don't really know what qualities I should be looking for. Also, if there's any other 'essential' VST/sample packs for production, I'd love any recommendations.

>>73629410
I believe that's an ad-lib, though it somewhat blurs the line since it's not just yelling 'WHAT' or 'YUH'.

>>73629925
Forgot to mention that I picked up an MPK-25 in good condition from a local thrift store for around $50, so it's not like I'm trying to do everything with a mouse and keyboard.

>>73629925
>I believe that's an ad-lib
Thanks, that's exactly it. It's like a mixture of ad-libing and a small version of call and response to fill in space like a drum fill. My favorite example of this is A$ap Ferg's cartoon-y "falling down a cavern" ad-lib.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keD38A9OQfA#t=3m11s

>>73629407
FL Studio is easier pirate

>>73630264
Yes, but if you're not a orally reprehensible faggot you don't mind paying a one time fee for a lifetime of updates to the developers of arguably the best and one of the most influential DAW's out there.

>>73610141
Does anyone think the beat drop and shift to mono is jarring? That's what's really keeping me from doing anything with this track. Does it sound weird?

>>73630490
But bitwig is better than ableton

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>>73630490
Living in the digital age, with all the resources we're able to access in the comfort of our own homes, I can honestly say you are retarded if you pay for something you can otherwise get for free. It's like using the door to enter a house without walls.

>>73620164
>>73620713
>>73621084
finished
https://clyp.it/bchyvxvz

>>73630601
It's better at doing a few things but worse at doing all the rest.

Also the company that makes it is unreliable and jewy.

https://instaud.io/13ft

>>73630854
its very good but i feel like i've heard the chords somewhere already

>>73630854
Reminds me of that shitty Kiss song.
Nice work tho. The voice is barely audible, maybe turn it up a little.

>>73631358
its is a kiss song actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qkr4nvujiM
thanks. maybe boost some frequencies to make it cut through more instead of just increasing the volume?

>>73631441
I couldn't tell, never worked with voice.
Maybe it has to do with your singing style, I find it hard to understand the lyrics sometimes.

>>73631549
i understand, will try re-recording them

>>73631602
In any case I'd try bringing the voice more to the front so it's more intelligible.

What's this "808" thing I keep hearing about?

Which DAW should I be using? Win7, geetar and shitty drums made in Hydrogen, should I be using Hydrogen?

>>73631801
NOTHING SOUNDS QUITE LIKE AN 808
MONEY MAKING MONEY MONEY MAKING

>>73631801
You already know what it sounds like.

>>73631801
It's the boomy bassdrum that many rap/trap songs have.
In the last few years it's become a staple in these genres, and is very popular in other electronic genres too.

It comes from the long subby bassdrum you could make with the Roland TR808 drum machine, which is very famous for its characteristic sounds that I guarantee you've heard a million times.

When people say just "808" they usually mean the bassdrum (or the machine itself), but they can obviously say things like "808 snare" or "808 cowbell" to indicate the other sounds.

>>73631698
i think its more intelligible now
https://clyp.it/fhk5c0ie

>>73632315
I like this one better.

>>73631801
"808" is the kleenex of bass sounds now

thanks dumbing down the world, rap

Been trying to make beats like lil pump uses on his tracks and i found this tutorial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvvklBq8Y0

>>73632742
808 rolls off the tongue better than sine wave descending in pitch.

>>73632945
>i found
You mean you made.

>>73632945
idk man it just looks like someone showing off an average track. Not that it sounds bad, but it seems pretty obvious and generic.

>>73609432
How do I get into synthetizers, fellow people of the internet?

>>73633322
What synth music do you like.

>>73632742
>thanks dumbing down the world, rap
so did kleenex "dumb down the world" too?

>>73633322
Buy a synthesizer
Then buy another
Then think vst is better
Sell you synths
Buy a computer
Learn to hate the computer
Hate computer
Realize you shouldnt have sold your synths
Rebuy synths
Buy another synth
Contemplate life
Start building a modular
Never eat or talk to anyone again

Now you are into synthesizers

>>73633398
Does synthwave count.

How do you decide on a main synth sound? I always become a pussy and just layer a ton of different sounds at a small volume and it becomes a low volume blob.

https://clyp.it/yrvgzbrx

>>73633545
the fuck is up with your attack dude

>>73633507
vintage synth vsts

>>73633322
EASIEST CHEAPEST:

>download reaper/pirate daw
>fuck load of freebie synths from vst4free

learn until you actually know what you want from a synth. anything else is a potential waste of money or time. unless you're absolutely sure you want to make dubstep or whatever

>>73633507
>synthwave

still applies. tal u no lx or whatever is free

>>73633447
i think you know what he means you cheeky fuck lol

>>73632742
desu anytime i hear an 808 anywhere i just assume whoever made it is lazy... unless the rest of the music is fairly unique ofc

>>73631824
>should I
any of the big name daws are fine. if the drums you get out of hydrogen suck shit then don't use it or learn more...........

>>73631261
>https://instaud.io/13ft
i'm thinking your drums need the most work....

>>73633545
I have sort of an idea of what sound I want before I make it so then it's just creating the sound in my mind. I thought this was how everyone designed their sounds. Creating a sound before you decide on how you want it to sound sounds backwards to me.

How's this sounding?

https://clyp.it/hh24werj

Anyone here have roland cloud? I might sub for the D50 desu.

>>73633941
Too pussy to have a stronger attack with a better synth sound. Told you I pussy out.

>>73634382
Just stop being indecisive, pick something and go with it, youre better off finishing a song and not being happy with the synth sound than not having a song at all because you were procrastinating.
Its all a learning process so just make a start with something

>>73634382
Also stop using "im a pussy" "cause i pussied out" as a crutch, shit aint healthy yo

>>73634536
>>73634448
Fuck, thank you, dude. Drunk right now, but I'll try.

>>73634635
Probably doesn't help that youre trying to make music drunk lol

>>73634635
Not that dude, but cheers, mate.

>>73634740
I disagree with this. Alcohol enhances musical abilities.

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is this a good book if I just want to make neato sound scapes in max/msp (ambient, noise, etc.)?
are there others you recommend?

>>73634767
I'm a dumb alcoholic but hopefully the Adderall still helps!

>>73634767
Thank you!

>>73634783
I HOPE!

Love you guys

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>>73633507
if you're cool with VSTs, here's what Carpenter Brut uses. I know someone posted all of the Korg stuff a couple months ago, not sure if I have it anymore. I can check the archive if you want.

Reaper even has a Formant Shifter
Best DAW ever

fresh upload lads
https://soundcloud.com/samuelcfaria/doncha-hesitate-cover

>>73635500
FUCK OUTTA HERE BITCH

>>73635500
Read the sticky friend or prepare to have your arsehole stretched by at least 10cm.

>>73635500
>ATTENTION!
DO NOT post Soundcloud, YouTube or any links where you are not anonymous. That is considered self promotion and will result in bad feedback.

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here's some chill shit i made that i'll eventually rap on, lemme know what i could fix
http://clyp.it/1as2qprw

>>73635500
Off yourself, friendo.

>>73635819
I'm weak

make sure the main synth melody is getting through your drums and shit. other than that it sounds good m8

Dope. I'd rap over it.

>>73635819
You should try and put a leash on that bass, its unruly atm.

Is Synth 1 a meme? How does it compare to TAL- Noisemaker and other freeware synths?

>>73634035
>anytime i hear an 808 anywhere i just assume whoever made it is lazy... unless the rest of the music is fairly unique ofc
that's like saying "anytime i hear a rock band with a guitar i just assume their laz hacks... unless of course they're making good music"

How does sampling legally work?

(I can tell you don't into rock)

>>73636163
Unique=/=good

it's more like a les Paul into a Marshall stack playing power chords dad rock style (played out)

It's a safe sound is all I meant.
+ in this age it's really just a matter of choice with all the samples out there freely available

>>73636393
Everything is legal if you don't get caught, my man.

>>73636393
Contact the original label and ask for permission to include the artists as part of your song. Then structure rights and payment via a lengthy contract.

am i wrong to layer a kick over the same kick to make it louder

https://clyp.it/xdzilp3m

very unfinished and very rough but i'd like some thoughts plz

I'd also like to know what genre to tag this as

>>73636737
Just turn it up........................
Velocity

>>73636808
>https://clyp.it/xdzilp3m
I like it!
I'd say its idm or electro jazz or something out there like that.
It reminded me of the chemical brothers in places.

>>73636737
That would just double the volume, which if I recall correctly is like just turning the volume up by 6dB

If your kick is already maxed out and it's still not loud enough, bring everything else in the track down.

>>73636488
>>73636500
Damn. What about drum kits and vsts and stuff like that? I guess I should legally buy them, but if I don't, there's literally no way for them to proof anything, right?

>>73636964
Idk, but on this topic, I'd like to know if it's legal to profit from music created with pirated software.

>>73636997
no way to find out

nobody knows but you and your conscience.

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Really need help with mixing trap / rap. The bass is either too quiet or too loud

https://clyp.it/jzfj1wtd
>rap, hip hop

>>73636997
Probably not but there's no way for anyone to know

>>73637117
>Cats in Hats 5
...Five? My god, do you have a collection of cats in hats?

Hey guys, what do you reckon?

https://clyp.it/wnweyxnz

>>73630490
>giving a shit about morality
fucking gay

>>73638213
10/10 edge

hey pls lemme no what ya think of deez droom sawnd

https://clyp.it/ha2yi4rt

should i steek with it and process it or switch to another kit

>>73638448
Seems a tad too repetitive, but that may not apply if the other instruments can fill it out.
What genre/ sound are you going for?

>>73638565
80s rock

>>73636438
>it's more like a les Paul into a Marshall stack playing power chords dad rock style (played out)
it really isn't lol it's actually like a kick drum sample with a wide range of applications.
>It's a safe sound is all I meant
you're still doing exactly what i described in the example of rock bands and guitars. genres have conventions and if you think it's automatically bad or lazy to use them you're probably some avanteen shit

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can anyone help me achieve a guitar sound like this? It sounds pretty clean, im just wondering if there is possibly any reverb pedal or something. https://soundcloud.com/vonhaze/golden-symmetry

>>73639778
i shoulda said pic unrelated, it is not an afro synth pop guitar, but more shoegaze

>>73639383
Conventions and a wide range of applications I get- htrk for example uses an 808 for 90% of their drum sounds but it's not the same shit you've heard a million times before like an 808 trap pattern or 909 techno beat

I don't understand what's so bad about admitting that certain musical ideas have been done to death lol

>>73609432
bump

>>73640114
thanks for bumping a thread on one of the slower boards.

>>73640184
Np don't want /prod/ to drop off you know?

https://clyp.it/wnk0dekg
constructive feedback? starting my first tape here

>>73638448
the kit sounds nice, but I guess it obviously all matters in the context of the greater song

Is this fifths or some sort of suspended progression?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBLybGZN_ek

Tell me what you think guys- songwriting, vocals, production.

This was mixed without headphones or monitors btw, I'm getting some in a few days

https://clyp.it/slxrhlhk?token=de2af4e8e1479c3ab4a0a315e41a556b

>>73641115
what a lame "song"

>song has rain
>close

>>73641547
Not that guy but I like it

what do you listen to?

>>73641598
https://youtu.be/hiwi7d0f91Y

>>73641547
ya def one of his laziest.

>>73641578
B-but what if it's super wide with small room reverb on it?

What do peepz think of this?

https://clyp.it/hh24werj

>>73641966
Not sure how I feel about the overdrive-ish sound on the synths, but other than that, neat stuff.

>>73642044
It's just the resonance on the delay clipping a bit i think.
Cheers

Hey can I get an opinion on this mix. Last mix we did had much more reverb on drums, but we were getting undesirable snare trails. Ready to master?

https://clyp.it/l2mtgdjt

>>73642547
Mannn I wanna hear it with that reverb. Maybe try the reverb + a compressor on it set to slow attack and long release time so it damps the transients down if they get too crazy?

>>73642547
great song btw

>>73642703
With reverb,

https://clyp.it/gx3yzu4c

new thread?

>>73642547
The drums are at the FX level they should be. I gotta ask though, is the softness of the bass at the beginning and before the shift intentional? Because while it's at a reasonable volume, it blends greatly with the drums. I also think the guitar could be a little louder but that's a personal preference. Otherwise good job anon, you've certainly captured a mood and given it sturdy texture. To me it sounds like a mix of gothic rock, post-punk, and shoegaze.

Is there a series anywhere where I can watch someone make songs from start to finish? I'm having trouble putting different elements together and would like to learn by example.

>>73642820
Youtube is full of them.
Just search something like "<genre> start to finish <DAW>"

Also on AudioZ you can pirate the paid ones.

https://clyp.it/upguznxx

guys, I need some advice with this, is there something missing? master, mixing etc?

https://clyp.it/1h4z2so0

>>73643378
>WE
Turn the vocals up.

>>73642733
I think it'd sound cool with a really big spacey reverb on that tiny snare.

>>73643291
Not bad, sounds kinda dull musically but you could master this a bit louder if you wanna be into the "dance community"

>>73639884
the fact that you still can't separate making cliche unoriginal music from using a single drum sound

you're even making examples that support my point now. did you forget that this all started when you said that you assume that everyone who uses 808 kicks is lazy?

>>73643489
nice, I'll master it today, what o you think it should be louder? kick, melody, hats, all of it?

And, what aspects do you find dull?

thanks man

>>73643564
Nothing in particular, just bring the whole thing up, don't hear any mix issues/volume levels.

And for the other question, I find the entire track kinda dull, it's probably down to my taste.

>>73642804
Thanks, in some regards I think it sounds a bit too dry and 'demo', but thats pretty good feedback. I think if the guitar gets any louder it will be too much in the way. Once mastered, there will be some element of power in those crescendo's which could make up for the lack atm.

Yeah bass is supposed to be a bit more in the mix in the first half of the song. Do you think it drops back in the first 2 crescendo's to much?

>>73643419
I'm not against it, I'm just not convinced. You don't think it sounds overly ammeter and overdone?

https://clyp.it/pgcardwu
thoughts on my 10 minutes of fiddling

>>73643989
Not bad for 10 minutes.

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>>73644216
thanks, I fear it is the crux of my music making. I can throw together something that sounds okayish in a short span of time but after that I just don't know what to do with it or where I want it to go.

In the 3 years I've tried my hand at this I have only 3 things I consider finished

>>73643802
I'm the guy you responded to first. I don't think the drop back is that severe, but you should play around with its volume and see what you like. While you asked a different anon the second response, I think the drums are good and here's why:
The bass and drums are mellow and smooth carriers. They establish the mood that we have, which is cool and consistent. The depth and flavoring is carried by the strings the strings are already very spacious and shine light on the rest of the scenery so to speak. Syncing that flightly and vast feeling of the strings to the cool yet constant and concrete drum and bass. If you will, the strings are scenery and what you observe while walking through a place, the drum and bass are the ground beneath your feet. You don't want to be walking on thin air, you want to plant your feet on firm ground while you take in the already breathy scapes like say a misty forest, or wandering the halls of a hallowed great building.

>>73644402
Btw I meant to say syncing those things is the perfect cohesion.

>>73644355
For me I have to think of the song and finish it in my head before producing it. If I fuck around aimlessly I won't make anything more than 16 bars.

Anyone fot experience with prod including an ipad? Heard theres some good apps. I couls get a ipad pro 9.7 for small money.

https://clyp.it/s20btgia

any tips on what to do to liven up the beginning / end?

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>mfw if projects keep coming in at the rate they are i might be able to switch careers to full time SFX work

>>73644802
Ending isn't bad, beginning is way too quiet and you can hear the hissing more than you can hear the guitar. Play a bit louder and you have to mix this.

>>73644965
ending feels melodically bare, but yeah, it def needs a lot of mixing still