Where they really good, or were they just edgy johnny-come-latelies?

They were posers. Jello is the most annoying and pretentious bastard in punk history. I can't even stand the sound of his voice. He thinks he's so much smarter than everybody else.

Ramones, Clash, Sex Pistols, etc. were coattail riders to Suicide, the Seeds, the Stooges, the Velvets, and the Fugs

suicide commandos > dead redditors

>>73575922
Much of the myth-making around Dead Kennedys happened well after the band broke up.
They were actually considered to be quite lame by quite a few people during their "heyday".

>>73575985
The Ramones weren't coat-tailing anybody.

They were much better musicians and songwriters than the vast majority of punk bands.

>>73575922
That's an extremely narrow view of punk. The DKs were incredibly important to hardcore punk in the early 80s.

If a bunch of spoiled rich, liberal, Reddit-browsing, Rick & Morty fans formed a punk band, it would be Dead Kennedys

>>73575980
Agreed, I went to a Jello Biafra spoken word show like 10 years ago and it was fucking awful. Just a rambling asshole, and of course the 14 year olds in the audience ate that shit up cause he TRU PUNX

Though they did come in after many punk bands had already made their first few releases, they added a kind of freshness to punk that no one had really heard before.So ,in my opinion, they're "really good"

>>73576050
Except DK were anti liberal leftists from a poor part of San Francisco, pre gentrification

>>73576035
This

>>73576050
you have no idea what you're talking about

>>73575985
just the sex pistols and the clash. ramones took strong influence from vu and alan vega from suicide came up to the ramones after a show telling them how much he appreciated their music

Christgau got it right.

>Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables [I.R.S., 1980]
>I do want there to be more punk rock--I do, I do. I do want there to be more left-wing new wave--really. By Americans--I swear it. But not by a would-be out-of-work actor with Tiny Tim vibrato who spent the first half of the '70s concocting "rock cabaret." Admittedly, I'm guessing, but I'm also being kind--it sounds like Jello Biafra discovered the Stooges in 1977.
>C+

>>73576050
If a bunch of sweaty, overweight, basement dwelling, 4chan-browsing, anime-watchers formed a band, it would be the dead kennedies

kill the poor is in the aeroplane over the sea

>>73575922
>>73575985
Neither of you understand the speed at which non mainstream movements happened pre internet

And more to the point, who was 'first' doesn't mean a fucking thing. The band's you both listed are different enough no one was ripping anyone off, they just had similarities and in some cases inspired and worked of each other.

calling DK 'johnny come latelies' just shows how out of touch you are with what was really going on

>>73576051
I feel bad that Jello is such a sad contrarian now, but at the time he was at least a very clever satirist. It's not like his vision of the world amounted to anything useful, but he was smart and funny.

Oingo Boingo tried to be darkly satirical in a similar way, but they're lyrics are mostly just dumb and obnoxious.

>>73576189
>And more to the point, who was 'first' doesn't mean a fucking thing.
especially when the west coast was pretty much the last place to have any sort of punk scene

>>73576134
I'm pretty sure we would form the Misfits. They were a bunch of poor nerdy losers.

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>>73576249
>tfw still not as handsome as danzig

>>73576315
Danzig is 5'3 though, so I'm not really jealous.

>>73576369
>tfw almost a foot taller than him
I want to pet his head

They were in hardcore punks prime, have you listen to In God We Trust Inc. or Plastic surgery Disasters?

>>73575980
>>73576051

t. "being conservative is the true punk!" punks

>>73576584
worked for Lee Ving but literally no one else

>>73576249
>>73576315

Misfits is such poser hot-topic surface level "punk" it makes my head spin

>>73576642
>original punk band
>poser
yeah because whining about politics is so original. go home jello.

>>73576673
>original punk band

What part of recycling rockabilly for Halloween is supposed to be original?

>>73576642
The Misfits are by far the best thing to come out of that initial blast of 70s US punk.
Though I always preferred their later, harsher material and the stuff Glenn did with Samhain to the widely agreed-upon classic albums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I18ZUEQxFiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsW7FOnRfZA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9qLzarIFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGH0KttpTdE

>>73576727
misfits sounds nothing like rockabilly though. except for american nightmare.

>>73576642
Everything with Danzig is legitimately good. Everything after is Hot Topic shit.

>>73576727
>Misfits
>Rockabilly
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>73576727
Listen to shit like London Dungeon. It almost sounds like post-punk. I could seriously hear Joy Division or Siouxsie & The Banshees covering that song.

>>73576779
How can it be Hot Topic shit if Hot Top wasn't even around yet.

>>73576249

Uhh, the Ciafra's came from serious money. Their dad was the owner of some major knife company.

Do people even listen to bands? How could you ask if DK was good? East Bay Ray is a fucking god.

>>73576817
they were though.

>>73576779
everything with jerry on vocals is bargain bin hot topic shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1lTkWNMI4

>>73576850
>East Bay Ray is a fucking god.
Klaus Fluoride is too.

Skip > Jello
Deal with it

>>73576867
It was around but it didn't have the "poseur scene id" rep that it has now. Hot Topic sold out in the 2000's along with Warped Tour.

>>73576867
True, Jerry really sucks at vocals and the writing got worse, Graves was fantastic though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywllw3Oidx0

>>73577018
The best Graves-era songs are Dig Up Her Bones, Walk Among Us, Saturday Night, Scream, and Lost In Space.

They were surf punk, honestly.

>>73577083
and Dust to Dust, seriously underrated song.

>>73577018
I think american psycho might actually be my second favorite misfits album behind static agfe

Whatever people might think about The DKs from what I see happening in the U.S. Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables has once again become relevant.

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>>73578412