if it weren't for the shitty drumming and a couple of weird

pinkerton is better

>>73476683
The Pleasure Principle sucks

>>73476700
what makes you think that?

>>73477390
You're ignoring >>73476736

>>73476683
What's wrong the drumming? Never noticed anything

>>73477551
>never noticed anything
Exactly

>>73476683
its simplistic but the guitar sections are complicated enough to make up for it. If the drumming were more complicated and spiderland-y I think the sections would get too messy

>>73477482
because it's not related to the thread at all.

>>73477842
>>73477891
my beef with the drumming is not that it's not rhythmically adequate. i think a lot of times they just have a shitty mix on the drums or the drummer just kept droning on with something that stopped making sense several bars ago. you can hear this on "Stop the Show" for example.

>>73478297
Built to Spill was never a drummer's band and never will be. Even on their latest album with a different drummer it still sounds bad.

>>73478594
not trying to sound rude but what point are you trying to make?

>9.3

>>73478872
what do you think it is

>>73478884
Only faggots get more specific than .5

>>73478977
lol why are you mad

>>73476683
Are you a drummer? I like the drumming on this album a lot. I thought Stop the Show and Untrustable pt 2 fit the sound perfectly and do a great job of accenting the guitar parts. Sure, it's not all that intricate, but the album is clearly guitar driven and I'd rather listen to musicians work together over musicians trying to outstage each other.

WE'RE SPECIAL

>>73477842
>drumming has to be attention-grabbing
kill yourself

Kicked It In The Sun is about as good as American indie rock ever got.

>>73479656
IN OTHER WAYS

>>73476683
there's no such thing as a great album with awful drumming. Drumming is the core that holds all rhythms together.

Average drumming? You'll do fine. But awful drumming will kill any music

>>73479190
Not him but how the fuck do you know if it's either a 9.3 or a 9.2

>>73479579
Yes I have played the drums for 11 years but what does that have to do with anything? Also read my comments above and you'll see that I am not critiquing the lack of complexity. I'm critiquing the mix and the decision making.

>>73480547
What about all the great albums that barely (or do not) feature a drum set? This is a stupid post. Rhythm does not only come from percussion dude.

>>73480356
Might agree with you desu.

All it lacks is a song of the same calibre as Carry The Zero.
Guitar work is insane.

>>73482358
Are you kidding me?
>Velvet Waltz
>Kicked It in the Sun

This album gave me new appreciation for Neil Young. That guy influenced everybody.

>>73482358
Personal pref I guess man, I love this album more than most but Carry the Zero is just perfection and has something nothing on PFNO does.

>>73482383
>>73482794
tagged wrong post.

>>73482794
I've kind of grown out of it just because I've overplayed it, but I get ya. It was definitely my favorite BtS song at one point.

>>73482266
>Yes I have played the drums for 11 years but what does that have to do with anything
I was wondering if your criticism was solely from the listener's perspective or if it was as another artist.

I'm still not super clear about what exactly is wrong. As far as the general mix goes Phil Ek is pretty capable as an engineer. I've always admired is drum sounds actually, they're very natural yet still crystal clear.

I heard no issues with Stop the Show, the drums fit very well and don't seem the least bit rambling. I don't know man, I'm not getting it. PFNO is pretty much perfect IMO.

>>73482871
my favourite on this is actually Out of Sight for some reason, that guitar lick at 2:10 most likely.

>>73482917
I love that too, it's fun to play