I don't care what John Lennon did or was as a person, but

no shit, he was the most pretentious piece of garbage in the 20th century

and he beat his wife

>>73380043
yes, he unironically deserved to be shot for "Imagine". most overrated garbage of all time

>>73380043
The piano part is nice

John Lennon had literally 0 (zero) awareness of how the real world works, and Imagine reads like a juvenile pretentious hypocritical vomit on paper. Paul was the better of the two. He also beat his wife.

>>73380122
It's pretentious

>>73380043
I love most of his stuff but I agree. Had had worse songs imo but Imagine is down there with them.

>>73380043
The lyrics just lay out the simplest principles of communism. Its kind of funny it was received so well in its time

it's a nice melody but the lyrics are pretty pretentious and utterly meaningless and it's overrated as fuck. I do acknowledge its influence and importance but that's ultimately because it is a pretty normal pop song with "deep" lyrics." it isn't as good as most people would say, but he didn't deserve to be shot for it

he deserved to be shot because he beat his wife

>>73380133
"Imagine if people lived for today"

"Imagine if there's no countries or religion."

We'd all be fucking dead instantly if we had no civilisation or zero consideration of the future. That's fucking stupid and childish

>>73380133
Imagine reads like a kid who learns about the basics of Marxism in 10th grade and pretends he's a communist for a couple days.

>>73380167
>>73380205
hahahaha youre just paranoid hahaha everyone you dont agree with is a communist hahahah youre so delusional society is a delusion free yourself smoke weed haha

>>73380182
That's all John Lennon and the Beatles were, they were masters at writing melodies and hooks but they couldn't write an actual song for jack shit

>>73380240
I know it's bait, but "Imagine no possessions" and "Imagine all the people sharing all the world" is the simple foundation to communism in case people actually use that as an argument

i hate liberals and hippies but i love imagine desu

it's a great song. i could give a shit about the message or the lyrics.

>>73380288
Nice meme.

>>73380366
You're a spoonfed retard if you're actually serious

Beatles fans in a nutshell

>>73380393
Prove me wrong please

>>73380414
Define actual song first.

It is great how annoyed you can make people by saying simple, friendly things.

>>73380314
no religion, no countries, no society, no money, no possession

its literally textbook marxism

>>73380460
>imagine there's no heaven
>imagine there's no countries
>friendly
I mean, I don't disagree with you, but normally these would get people at your throat.

>>73380453
I mean actual lyrics and the message of the song, the purpose

>>73380133
>>73380097
>>73380182
>And he beat his wife
Fuck off with this meme, Paul

>>73380460
Communists have literally starved people and lined them up and shot them because they wanted nations, money, religion etc. How can you construe this as friendly? because theirs pretentious piano chords?

>>73380460
>>73380500
He's imagining a world without civilization, any consideration of the future (therefore the youth), and no ownership and to share everything (communism). That's childish pretentious bullshit that contradicts human nature

>>73380560
how the fuck are the piano chords pretentious? it's just a song

>>73380586
how is anything pretentious

>>73380560
Best part about it was that he wrote this in the century and time period when communist and atheist states were murdering hundreds of millions of people

>>73380536
There's an element of truth in every meme, Yoko.

>>73380713
Yeah, like how it was true that you used to beat Linda up

>>73380560
>Communists have literally starved people and lined them up and shot them because they wanted nations, money, religion etc. How can you construe this as friendly?
I don't know. Where in the songs does he advocate those things?
>he's describing a communist utopia!
Yeah, an utopia, not the means people used to reach it.

>>73380958

When did the communists who committed those atrocities warn people they were going to do so?

>>73380144
Hi, Ben.

>>73380043
Yeah it's pretty cringe. Melody is nice and nothing wrong with the anything else.
Just the braindead lyrics that people pass off as deep insight.

Maybe if he spent less time beating his wife he could think of something better

>>73380958
>realizes hes very very influential with his music
>create a whole generation of piece of shit entitled marxists with his pretentious bs
>All the while saying "muh communists werent that bad because they wanted a better world!!"
>while marxists were starving and murdering

hes a terrible person and you know it

>>73380958
Read the lyrics, he's advocating the same exact things the communist states wanted to achieve. Granted he's not calling for the murder of hundreds of millions of people, but it makes him look completely oblivious about the world and human nature

>>73380987
>>73381037
>strawmanning so hard
Whatever, keep believing he was literally Stalin if that makes you feel better.

>>73381086
>le "marxism isnt a bad philosophy, its just the people that advocate it are bad" meme

>>73381037
>>73381117
>casualties of communism or socialism
"well that's how all leftists are and it should be stopped!"
>casualties of capitalism
"that's just capitalism bro!"

>>73381086
You're missing the point completely

I really couldn't hear the lyrics too well over the sound of him beating his wife.

>>73381135
communists literally murdered millions of people. Because of their world view. You are delusional.

"Imagine all the people living life in peace"

>beats his wife

>>73380043
HEy who is this wifebeater

>>73381179
capitalists literally murdered millions of people. because they're okay with the poor being screwed over, being homeless, starving, diseased, etc. you are delusional

>>73380133
>>73380205
Fucking hell are you guys braindead or what?!
He's not laying out a fucking manifesto for society to follow.
The song is literally called "Imagine", not "hey guys lets actually do this shit".
He is simply picturing his perfect, idyllic, non-attainable world.
The song is like what he is wishing for, he's not expecting it to fucking happen.

>>73381236
>whataboutism

>>73381309
I realise that Einstein, but what he saying completely contradicts human nature and makes him look completely clueless and unaware about the world and it's blatant events and principles. It's pretentious hippy-dippy pap that can never happen and he's also a hypocrite for making it

this thread is why I hate trump supporters

>>73381321
>he can't handle his own hypocrisy

>>73381309
>a pop song from the biggest band ever cant inspire someone

again, Marxism is a cancerous ideology because its a cancerous ideology. not because "it cant be carried out because of human nature".

>>73381434
your free to give all your shit away dude, i dont care

I dont want to concern myself with your moral coping mechanisms anymore, just know youre being a useful idiot.

>>73381428
>thinks the song is pretentious bullshit for promoting the concept of marxism (because it has proven not to work on the deaths of hundreds of millions of people)
>you must be le trump supporters
>everything i disagree with is associated with le trump

This is why people can't stand people on the left, the fucking epitome

I don't get the fury here. There are countless examples of countries working together as one. The international space station is a good one. There's no reason its impossible or unattainable

>>73381236
I don't think you know what murder means

I don't care what John Lennon did or was as a person, but "Imagine" is pure childish hippie-dippie pap that gets way too much praise. Read the lyrics and it makes zero sense or insight on the world, in fact its bullshit in every sense of the world

>>73381487
the song wasn't intended to be political it's a dream where people all get along which the don't in real life

>>73381549
cheers man precisely what i was saying >>73381309

>>73381549
>song comes out near the height of marxism as a coherent philosphy in the world, and height of the power of the soviet union.

>lyrics are literally something to come straight out of the communist manifesto and marx's writings

>its just a coincidence that it espouses marxist values!

>>73381549
That song is literally pure political ideology, if you think that song doesn't involve politics then you're completely wrong. It's a completely unaware, pretentious, and childish goal for the world and human race.

>>73381629
It involves the relationships of human beings and power structures, that's the definition of politics. You guys are completely retarded and blind for not seeing that.

>>73381549
Thats exactly why he was so clueless and pretentious...

He had no idea people were killing eachother over the garbage lyrics he wrote..

>>73380396
would rather be a retard than be a fucking hipster faggot like you

>>73381771
Okay, sorry I have a brain for thinking something is unaware pretentious bullshit because it is

imagine a world

where no one replied to this thread

>>73381839
At least it's a discussion with opposing viewpoints

>>73381428
>Enters a thread
>"DONALD DRUMPH, AM I RIGHT GUYS?"
?

>>73382032
what

>>73382282
I hope these guys realise that they're the reason why Trump won, because of leftist bullshit labeling any opposing viewpoint as automatically racist, sexist, and bigoted. Keep acting like condescending and entitled children, let's see how that works

>>73380043
>bullshit in every sense of the world
No it's not since it isn't literal shit from a bull.

>>73380518
>"message" being the important part of a piece of music
spot the pseud

>>73380097
He beat his wife in what? Certainly not music.

>>73382482
Sweet bait

>>73381839
Imagine a world where you didn't exist

>>73382386
yeah i was triggered into voting for trump by words on the internet and it's everyone's fault but my own

>>73383018
imagine

>>73383035
Have you ever been outside before?

>>73381443
It's not that we didn't try. It's only that it had cancerous results - Russian famine, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao.

>>73381830
i bet you were one of those pussies who acted horrfied when you heard run for your life

>>73380097
>>73380133
>>73380182
(and consequent posters):

You are thick. He laid his feelings about his ideal world. The "way the real world works" is the propaganda you have been fed. You are not redpilled, conservative fucks

>>73384525
But his ideal world resembles the communist one! Doesn't that make it inherently evil?!

>>73384704
Are you American by any chance?

>>73380043
It appeals to people with the mindset of literal children, who view the world as a dichotomy of nice and tolerant and MEAN and HATEFUL >:(

>>73380043
>You just need a compilation and have all your Lennon needs

Oh yeah, and he was an awful Dad. Plus he really put the beat in Beatles! Yoko was too good for him.

>>73380043
I agree, lusty negros, etc.

>t. Scaruffi

>>73385561
Yoko was also a fucking cunt