does she actually hate Ariel? they seem like they're

I assume you're talking about Grimes

>Grimes
talentless hack
production wizard
backing tracks

>ariel pink
genius song crafter
production equivalent of a macgyver stunt.
has a real band play live

I don't think they would have anythign to talk about actually.

>>73340548
This. I don't care how many layers of irony /mu/ is operating on with the grimesfagging, it's really annoying to see one of the most talented songwriters today being disregarded by most of the board just because he doesn't worship the hack /mu/ queen

>>73340842
>>73340548
i will just leave this:

>Full name: Claire Elise Boucher
>Born: 17 March 1988 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
>Origin: Québécois, Ukrainian, Russian and Italian descent
>Instruments: vocals, synthesizer, sampler, keyboard, guitar, bass, drums, violin, ukulele

>Skills:
- singer
- songwriter
- producer
- sound engineer
- lyricist
- live performer
- visual artist
- music video director
- dancer
- model
- writer

>Main interests:
Music, visual arts, dancing, books, films, modeling, video games, internet, and others

>Music taste:
http://www.last.fm/user/chairmandore/library
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimes_%28musician%29#Musical_style
http://www.pandora.com/station/2895208146671614201

>Others:
- Grimes does everything in her music, from singing and songwriting to artwork and production
- nice personality, beautiful look, cares about environment issues and saving animals
- took her name from grime music after discovering the existence of the genre on Myspace
- studied ballet for 11 years
- was a goth outcast in high school
- studied neuroscience, philosophy, and Russian literature and McGill University before being dropped out for missing classes
- started making music when she was around the age of 19
- big Lord of the Rings, Dune, Game of Thrones, Star Wars, Abbess Hildegard von Bingen and Russian literature fan
- her best friends are James Brooks, Hana, Bloodpop, Duffy, Born Gold

>>73341729
>dancer
>writer

Too far buddy

I met Ariel at a show once. The guy went through a sixer on stage between songs, was very aloof, and they all left to the tour bus before the show was over. Seems like someone very pre-occupied in their own mind and world, certainly a diva. Music is pretty good, but it is very self-indulgent. Seems like a shy person who is also pretentious.

Well that explains why /mu/ likes Ariel Pink.

>>73341826
>dancer
Unironically yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8eyp01iWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuMufoHT4vQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXGG1Gdw984

>writer
Unironically yes:
http://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/news/a15028/lessons-from-grimes-on-how-to-be-a-boss/
http://www.anothermag.com/design-living/8394/grimes-the-books-that-made-me
http://www.electronicbeats.net/mr-style-icon-grimes-on-the-importance-of-marilyn-manson/

>>73341981
Yeah, myopia goes a long way.

>>73341826
>Too far buddy
don't look down at 2 respectable jobs. fyi she did 11 years of ballet and she already started writing a novel.

>>73341729
Thank you for your irrelevant information, friend

>>73342483
>writer
>Unironically yes:
also this:
>started my novel, but my editor, @hanatruly - informs me that my first chapter needs more showing and less telling. too bad the people don't want a novel comprised entirely of fake facts about a fake universe. re read some good intros to double check and i guess its best to start w a plot. this is gonna be a dang endurance test if there ever was one and don't expect anything good for like 20-25 years

unfortunately she deleted that comment on her instagram.

>>73343797
Why?

>>73343835
That information has nothing to do with the question in the OP or the post you responded to.

>>73343819
>unfortunately she deleted that comment on her instagram.
...because she was obviously shitposting. Are you twelve?

And yes, she is technically a writer (since she has actually penned articles in mainstream publications like Elle Magazine.) But this >>73343819 is has nothing to do with that.

>>73343858
Wasn't my post, anon. I was just curious why you were thankful for receiving it despite its irrelevance.

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>>73343909
>>73343909
>because she was obviously shitposting
The only shitpost-like part of her post was the "20-25 years" part (seems to be an exaggeration for comedic effect). Everything else is a reasonable problem that writers have when they're writing their first novels.

>>73343909
>...because she was obviously shitposting. Are you twelve?
don't be so sure. especially when it comes to grimes.

what makes you believe she -- being an artist with such huge creativity -- is not writing a novel?

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>>73343989
>not realizing that you are being made fun of

>>73344169
>The only shitpost-like part of her post
Is English your 2nd language?

>what makes you believe she -- being an artist with such huge creativity -- is not writing a novel?
Because she's been shitposting about having only just RECENTLY started writing her first novel for at least 4 years (pic related dates back to early 2013 at the earliest.)

Ariel Pink is brilliant

his early stuff is just ridiculously good

Grimes is good, but horribly inconsistent

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when will this "grimes is good meme" end

>>73341729
all these things also apply for literally every fucking bandcamp shithead who cant write songs.

>>73344664
>Is English, your 2nd language
Is it yours?

>not realizing you are being made fun of
>not realizing that you've actually been trapped by the double bait

>>73344707
pretty much this

>>73344664
>Because she's been shitposting about having only just RECENTLY started writing her first novel for at least 4 years (pic related dates back to early 2013 at the earliest.)
how do you know she's not just playing games and one day you'll see her novel for sale?

>>73344754
sorry, accidentally put comma there
>*English your first

>>73344724
when "grimes is a meme" will end

>>73344796
she is a meme though

>>73344726
why so mad, bruh?

the problem with your assumption is that "every fucking bandcamp shithead who cant write songs" is not critically acclaimed, discussed all over the world, having a fairly big fanbase.

say what you want, but grimes CAN write songs extremely well. well enough that p4k picked oblivion as the song of decade so far (2014) and as song of the year (2012). btw, your personal opinions regarding p4k are irrelevant.

*mic drop*

>>73344846
>CAN write songs extremely well
yes, according to you, her fans, and Pitchfork

>>73344811
a good one. so, you admitted she's a meme. then "grimes is a meme" will never end, hence "grimes is good meme" will never end too. you shot yourself in the foot.

>>73344903
I'm not the original guy you were responding to. Also, thanks for admitting that the "grimes is good" thing is just a meme

>>73344707
>Grimes
>horribly inconsistent
I've seen people talk some absolutely crazy shit about Grimes/her music on here over the last couple of years. But I'm pretty sure I've NEVER seen the word inconsistent brought up in any serious capacity desu.

>>>73344754
>Is it yours?
No.

>>73344780
Should I take this as a 'yes' since you also forgot to put the article "a" between "put" and "comma"?


>how do you know she's not just playing games
I don't know she's JUST playing games. What I DO know is that she's definitely been playing games with you people for years.

>>73344873
add also at least 90% of music critics plus many other artists (like death grips, gorillaz, taylor swift, elton john, shirley manson, lauren mayberry, m83, nigel godrich - radiohead's producer, lorde, st. vincent, julian casablancas and many others) who love her music.

overall, grimes is beloved by the music world. and for good reasons. her music is super catchy, emotional and diverse. you better give it a chance.

>>73344932
>the "grimes is good" thing is just a meme
No one ever used the word "just", anon. Grimes happening to be a 4chan meme (see also: Death Grips, Mozart) has nothing to do with her being a perfectly valid artist and great musician - both of which she most certainly is.

>>73344932
meme means just popular; nothing about quality. "grimes is good" is not true and not false. why? because music taste is subjective. if you believe she's bad, then she's bad for you.

>>73345014
to answer your first question, no, I just make mistakes sometimes when I type. Luckily, that doesn't matter to the conversation at hand.

>>73345014
Grimes so far has been pretty inconsistent quality-wise. She started with a 7/10 (Geidi Primes), went on to a 8/10 (Halfaxa), then down to a 6.5/10 (Visions), and then, most recently, a 4/10 with Art Angels. Not to mention how terrible Medieval Warfare was.

>>73345054
all of those people fall under "her fans", anon. Either way, that doesn't make her good.

>>73345014
>I've seen people talk some absolutely crazy shit about Grimes/her music on here over the last couple of years. But I'm pretty sure I've NEVER seen the word inconsistent brought up in any serious capacity desu.
this. the fact people discuss her so much even between album releases (when it's usually silence) proves that she's actually consistent. i totally doubt it that people would care about her so much if oblivion, genesis and realiti were her only good songs.

>>73345130
>i totally doubt it that people would care about her so much if oblivion, genesis and realiti were her only good songs.
Those songs might be her only good songs, they might not be. It's subjective.

>>73345118
>all of those people fall under "her fans", anon. Either way, that doesn't make her good.
there's one big problem with your statement: the word "good". that's subjective. she's good for her fans and maybe bad for non-fans like you. nothing wrong with that; this is just the things are.

>>73345154
it's is subjective indeed. but there a thing called consensus. and the consensus is that she has many good songs, not just 3. think about it: 3 good songs wouldn't be enough to sustain general threads for years. agree?

>>73345161
"extremely well" is also subjective

>>73345118
>Grimes so far has been pretty inconsistent quality-wise. She started with a 7/10 (Geidi Primes), went on to a 8/10 (Halfaxa), then down to a 6.5/10 (Visions), and then, most recently, a 4/10 with Art Angels. Not to mention how terrible Medieval Warfare was.
all these are subjective ratings. for instance, visions is a 10/10 album to me. i'm not right or wrong, that's just my personal rating.

you think she's inconsistent because you didn't really enjoy her discography.

>>73345204
Let's say, hypothetically, that she did objectively have only 3 good songs. However, a few people on /mu/ (for some reason) think that she does not (in this hypothetical world). Since they think that Grimes has more than 3 good songs, there are plenty of things to discuss.

>>73345211
of course. allow me to be subjective.

>>73344846
>*mic drop*
Jesus fucking Christ...

>>73345232
So what? You think she IS consistent because you did really enjoy her discography. Of course, I'm talking about opinions, I just don't feel like succeeding all of my posts with "in my opinion", when it's obvious anyhow.

>>73345246
sure. But Pitchfork's rating (And your and her fans ratings) does not prove how skilled of a songwriter Grimes is.

>>73345242
it all starts with the fact there can't be objectively good or bad songs. people basically discuss preferences. i like this song, i dislike this song. a song is just a "box with sounds", it has no feelings. that song could affect x person in a different way than y person.

if many people like certain songs, those songs are talked as being good. if hypothetically a few people on /mu/ think that most of her songs are good they're not wrong or right. it's just their opinion. this is what they like, could you blame them?

in her case, it's not just a few people who like her music. many other people outside of /mu/ think that her songs are good. hence, the consensus is positive. hence disagreeing with the consensus makes you a contrarian.

>>73345118
>Luckily, that doesn't matter to the conversation at hand.
Nor could it, since conversations are incapable of caring one way or the other since they aren't sentient beings (I'm still not convinced.)

>She started with a 7/10 (Geidi Primes), went on to a 8/10 (Halfaxa), then down to a 6.5/10 (Visions), and then, most recently, a 4/10 with Art Angels.
What is your source for these numbers?

>>73345287
>You think she IS consistent because you did really enjoy her discography.
exactly. if you believe she's inconsistent, that's your own opinion which is based on personal preferences (same thing for my own opinion). it's just a battle of opinions. nobody is wrong, nobody is right.

>>73345272
Stop letting yourself get triggered by 12-year-old behavior desu. Just move on.

>>73345287
>sure. But Pitchfork's rating (And your and her fans ratings) does not prove how skilled of a songwriter Grimes is.
that's proven indirectly. she's a songwriter, right? what is the result of her work? her songs. are those songs enjoyed by many people, even critics who are supposed to judge music for various publications? they are. so, she's a good songwriter because she succeeded in her work/art. she delivered music that brought happiness to many people. that's the whole point. the result of your work speaks for itself in the same way the goals of an attacker speak about that player.

>>73345373
>disagreeing with the consensus makes you a contrarian.
Not that anon, but disagreeing with the consensus on something does not in itself make someone a contrarian. If someone forms an independent opinion that goes one way when it turns out the consensus goes another, that's just a normal difference of opinion. Contrarianism only comes in when the person disagreeing is doing so BECAUSE of what the consensus is.

>>73345373
I was just answering how it was possible for any artist with only 3 good songs to be discussed often, but I'll still discuss your claims here. Why did you include the fact that it makes you a contrarian? That's very obvious but you're wording makes it sound like it's a bad thing to have a contrarian opinion.

>>73345402
My personal judgments on each album. I was speaking subjectively.

>>73345413
Exactly. Glad to hear we agree on that.

>>73345467
Successful songwriter =/= good songwriter.
Unless you mean "good at making successful songs" when you say "good songwriter", in which case, I agree.

>>73345497
Actually a contrarian is just anyone who has an opinion that is in opposition to the mainstream opinion, and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>73345497
but how do you know the real intent of that person? how do you if his opinions are genuine and not posted for the sake of disagreeing with the consensus?

>>73345515
>Successful songwriter =/= good songwriter.
do you understand that "good" is subjective? how could you objectively measure a songwriter and declare without a shadow of doubt that s/he is good?

>>73345589
You can't objectively measure it. Successful songwriter =/= objectively good songwriter probably would've been closer to what I meant.

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>>73341729
Go fucking kill yourself

>Sampler
>Instrument

>>73345515
>I was just answering how it was possible for any artist with only 3 good songs to be discussed often
actually it's not possible for an artist with just 3 good songs (established by consensus, not objectively -- that's impossible) to be discussed as much as grimes. it never happened and it will never happen.

so, the indirect conclusion: the consensus is that she has way more good songs than 3. actually check any fan list with their fave grimes songs: you'll see how different are to each one. there are fans who didn't even put her big songs on those lists because she's that consistent. when fans pick short experimental songs under 2 minutes (like eight) as favorites, you know that artist is special.

>>73345697
>when people like an artist, you know that artist is special
You know that almost every significant mainstream artist has fans that prefer deep cuts to their hits, right? That's nothing special.

>>73345515
>My personal judgments on each album. I was speaking subjectively.
In which case, your own stated opinion of her music indicates you actually find it EXTREMELY consistent, since your subjective ordering of it (from best to worst):
>1. Halfaxa
>2. Geidi Primes
>3. Visions
>4. Art Angels
>5. Medieval Warfare
Conversely corresponds with the general consensus on how recognizably poppy sounding/mainstream friendly it is.

Your gripe with Grimes' music appears to be rooted in an avowed dislike for mainstream pop-friendly sounding music in general. Not in it itself being inconsistent desu.

>>73345550
You don't. Welcome to the real world of public discourse.

I don't get why Jon Maus was friends with this shitter Ariel Pink, he's so far above him in every way

>>73345769
not to that extent. the lists of grimes fans could be totally different to each other. there are fans who prefer long experimental jams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhNxvoXOKcI over oblivion. because her music is so diverse and consisten even what is her best album is hotly debated despite such a short discography (4 studio albums).

>>73345589
>how could you objectively measure a songwriter and declare without a shadow of doubt that s/he is good?
Poll a bunch of people about whether they "like" said artist's songs. The larger the sample, the more certain the statistic, although some doubt will always remain (because you are still tallying what are technically just subjective opinions.)

>>73345812
thanks for the "encouraging" reply.

>>73345857
so, it's a subjective thing like i said. do that with grimes songs and i can guarantee the results will show that she's considered a good songwriter. i'm not even mentioning she has the mark of approval from most relevant professional critics whose job is to "measure" music.

>>73345793
Halfaxa is poppier than Geidi Primes though. My gripe is that the quality has been falling since Halfaxa. I have no idea whether that's due to the high quality of Halfaxa or the low quality of Art Angels, but my personal enjoyment of each is wildly different. Inconsistency in quality is subjective

>>73345837
>Not to that extent.
Yes, to that extent. There are people who prefer Kurt Cobains solo acoustic demos or live jams over something like SLTS

she's full of shit so it's likely

>>73345657
>he doesn't know how electronic organs work
Lol

>>73345857
That would not objectively measure how good of a songwriter Grimes is, it would only establish the consensus.

>>73345909
>Halfaxa is poppier than Geidi Primes though.
In what universe?

>My gripe is that the quality has been falling since Halfaxa.
By virtually all objective standards (which is to say in terms of things like audio engineering and production quality) Grimes' music has consistently improved by leaps and bounds over the years. Sure, I might not be as much of a fan of the style of presentation of the musical content on Art Angels than her previous albums (of which Halfaxa/Darkbloom is also my favorite to date desu.) But that doesn't make Albums like Visions or Art Angels even SUBJECTIVELY bad, since even I can admit that they sound really, really great for what they are: albums of music geared towards - first and foremost - being entertaining on the surface, but that also have great moments of depth to the musical content therein waiting for those inclined to go hunting - in essence, well-made pop music.

>>73345909
they're very few. most nirvana fans prefer their singles. while in her case, the opinions about her songs being radical is a normal thing.

>>73345931
>That would not objectively measure how good of a songwriter Grimes is
It would SUBJECTIVELY measure how good of a songwriter Grimes is, which is the best you are ever going to get in terms of a meaningful answer to such a question.

>>73345014
Her songs fluctuate between totally oversaturated modern female art-pop generic boredom and accidentally perfect melodic brilliance
>>73345130
realiti isn't even one of her good songs

>>73346232
plus, people are forgetting that grimes did another album (which was scrapped) between visions and art angels which was mellower than art angels. realiti comes from those sessions. basically she decided after a while that she wanted to make aggressive music after visions. aa was a really necessary step if she wanted to stay relevant and not be known as repeating herself. but after this successful aa era i think she wants to go back to mellower music.

>“I’m really vibing on making something really slow and gorgeous that just breathes, and has room to breathe,” she explained. “I feel like my work has always been fast paced, kinetic, and almost just manic and I feel like for me the hardest thing I can do is make something that’s slow and heavy.”

now we'll see if she's not going to change her mind like she did with that scrapped album.

>>73346367
>realiti isn't even one of her good songs
a truly contrarian opinion.
>Her songs fluctuate between totally oversaturated modern female art-pop generic boredom and accidentally perfect melodic brilliance
just your opinion. what you call generic boredom i call brilliance. to each his own.

>>73346325
Yes, but it seems strange that someone would use that answer to say how it could be objectively measured.

>>73346427
>implying there's anything wrong with having a truly contrarian opinion

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>>73340548
>>73340842
>>73340204

if you pretend that ariel pink is great you should know that:

1. ariel himself believes that grimes is the female version of him:
>I'm not a misogynist. Maybe she's angry that I'm the male version of her, who was at 4AD.

2. ariel said "every time I hear her, I hear a little of myself":
>But that hasn't stopped Pink from continuing to point out his influence on Grimes. In a scene from a 2012 feature story in Spin, he watches Grimes perform at Make Music festival. (Keep in mind, this is when "Oblivion" and "Genesis" were everywhere.) "She doesn't do the ramanah," Pink says, referring to a vocal style popularized by Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder. "No, she does the Pink-a-nah." Later, he adds, "every time I hear her, I hear a little of myself." Pink also tried to invite Grimes on tour with him in 2012—but she was already fully booked. Funny enough, that seems like an apt metaphor to exactly what's happening today.

https://thump.vice.com/en_ca/article/holy-moly-is-ariel-pink-the-male-version-of-grimes

3. ariel apologized for his stupid diss:
>I love grimes. I love Madge. I love women. I love the guardian. I love pitchfork. I love the fans. I love the haters. I love my life. #UK
http://www.nme.com/news/music/ariel-pink-5-1221051

if you insult grimes you hit ariel too.

>>73346475
it's just baffling. what is not to like about realiti? that's like the blueprint of a perfect song.

>>73346595
No, you don't. That's like saying that someone insults King Crimson if they insult Tool

>>73346595
You forgot the most important thing

4. He's Martin Newell for people that think they're "patrician"

>>73346609
It's boring, in my opinion. I also don't like either her voice or the instrumental

>>73346724
You're insulting Fripp's taste 2bh

>>73340204
Damn Grimes looks pretty good in this pic

>>73346724
it's not the same thing. you insult grimes, you insult the female version of ariel. if you're an ariel fan, think about it. life is tough.

>>73346829
wot? that's ariel.

who believes that grimes x john maus would be a great collab? 2 weirdos making good synthpop.

>>73346843
Their sound isn't the same, therefore the insult only applies to one of them. Just becaue Ariel says Grimes is the female version of him doesn't mean he's correct, neither does it mean that the quality of their music is the same.

>>73346931
*one weirdo making good synthpop and one weirdo being Grimes

>>73347038
morally speaking, if ariel appreciates grimes (despite those insults) is it ok for an ariel fan to insult grimes? i highly doubt it.

>>73347052
>one weirdo being Grimes
so she's a genre on her own? that's fine to me.

>>73347057
Yes, since you don't have to agree with everything the artists you like believe

>>73347071
Yeah. Although I don't think I would enjoy an AA-era Grimes x John Maus collab (I just don't think the two sounds would combine well), I would absolutely love a Halfaxa-era Grimes x John Maus collab.

>>73341729
lol fucking based

>>73347095
>Yes, since you don't have to agree with everything the artists you like believe
but if that artist says that artist x is the female version of him? that's high praise. why would you insult artist x without reason (like those ariel fans do)?

>>73347142
>the fact that it's high praise somehow changes the fact that you don't have to agree with everything your favorite artists believe

>>73347095
>Yeah. Although I don't think I would enjoy an AA-era Grimes x John Maus collab (I just don't think the two sounds would combine well), I would absolutely love a Halfaxa-era Grimes x John Maus collab.
i'd say a visions-era grimes + 2011-era john maus would be a perfect fit. visions and we must become the pitiless censors of ourselves are both extraordinary albums.

>>73347176
I guess we'll have to disagree on that, although I did enjoy this convo. Good on you, I'm so used to people freaking out and being rude in these types of threads.

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Since this thread is already done for..

>>73347559
what can you do

>>73347559
I've been waiting for this all thread

>>73346595
I like Ariel far more than Grimes but I can't think of anything more annoying than being a musician and having someone else take credit for influencing you

>>73346609
There literally nothing special about it.

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How did I know there was going to be butthurt grimesfags, despite the fact that OP said nothing actually attacking her

>>73349058
do you think current grimesfags who like her unironically are aware that they were being memed by the anons of old

>>73349373
nobody was memed, dip. they listened to her music and they liked it. simple as that. stay pleb, anon.

>>73349058
>grimesfags
>expecting to be taken seriously

>>73349856
>>grimesfags
>>expecting to be taken seriously
there it is, why do you continue to post on 4chan if the culture pains you so?

>>73340204
Nah I think she likes him. I think it was kinda an easy publicity stunt to tear him down and make herself look better and "woke" or w.e.
>>73343909
What?
Writing a novel makes you a writer way more than writing some vapid articles for a fashion magazine does.