itt: bands you have an irrational hatred towards that you can't

>>73271678
In your case it's most likely innate contrarianism.

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>>73271678

Kurt Gobang's voice is grating. Ruins the band for me.

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>>73271678

>>73271723
I'm almost sure this is it, but I can't stand grunge in general. Every band that Nirvana or most other grunge bands cite as influences I love. I don't know if somehow these people took good influences and turned it into garbage or I just can't stand them because they're popular. I can't see why that would be the case though because I love The Beatles, Kraftwerk, The Beach Boys, Kanye, Frank Ocean, etc.

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>>73271678
I hate this fucking faggot and can't stand that people are okay with him releasing over 700 albums of random fuckery

>>73271788
His voice is the best thing about them
>>73271840
this

>>73271678
Nirvana was an unremarkable college rock band whose only leg up compared to the hundreds of other unremarkable college rock bands out there was that they had major label backing and a management team which knew how to market them towards a clueless, largely teenage MTV audience that could barely wrap their heads around U2's Achtung Baby(no offense meant against this album; it's fucking great and a major accomplishment in popular music), much less any of the underground bands Nirvana took influence from. The only reason Nirvana blew up was because of how banal and corny late 80s-early 90s popular culture/music was and because the audience Nirvana was marketed towards knew fuck-all about anything.

Compared to Paula Abdul or MC Hammer, Kurt Cobain really did look like a fucking genius rather than the dim-witted and emotionally underdeveloped bit of pseudo-artsy white trash that he actually was.

>>73271678
probably because they were edgelords who played shitty pop rock trying to be artsy

>>73271678
REM

>>73271827
Are you a fan of punk? If punk isn't your thing then grunge isn't really gonna click for you.

>>73271768
dank

>>73271840
I just don't understand the point of a full noise album. Musique concrete noise elements, no wave, noise rock most certainly have their uses, but I don't see one with a whole album of pure noise.

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>>73271678
>arianna grande
>rae simmonds
>adele
>borgore
>50 cent
>mac miller
>gorillaz
>two steps from hell
>scandinavian pop singers
i dont know why these fucking trigger me but they do and im having a bad time

>>73271678
It's mostly because I hear them all the time on the radio, hate their fans, and not a fan of kurts voice. Nirvana's probably the only band I've flat out refused to listen to.

>>73271934
I don't really know how you can listen to Nirvana and not recognise that absolutely stellar songcraft they were capable of, they wrote some of the best mainstream rock songs of the last 30 years. Is this pasta?

>>73271827
do you like Melvins?

>>73272052
Yeah definitely, but punk is really hit or miss for me, usually only pre-1983 or bands that didn't really want to be labeled "punk" and did nothing to embody some punk ideal (X, The Descendants, most NY punk, etc.)

I can appreciate a few of their songs but I'm REALLY salty their cover of The Man Who Sold The World is so popular. It's not about it being popular, Smells Like Teen Spirit is still a good song, I can admit that, it's that at least 50% of people under 25 think that THEY wrote the song. Plus it's a really unremarkable cover.

Still not as bad as that god awful tripe Gary Jules did though

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RHCP
Mac DeMarco

>>73272167
do you like neither young or mature mac miller, not even his production skills?

>>73272328
>Top 10 Best Cover!
>Nirvana - The Man Who Sold the World
yeah I never understood this. It's perfectly serviceable, but one of the weaker tracks off Unplugged. The original is better

Sonic Youth
Joy Division
AnCo

>>73272391
I think his voice is perfect for that song. I love how nirvana gives covers the nirvana sound

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I've never heard Brand New's music, and I refuse to based only on the band's name and album titles/covers.

>>73271827

A huge part of the almost universal love of grunge when it came out was that it destroyed the craprock (lazy hair metal, queasy pop-rock, and 70's artists' forgettable 'mature' solo records) that dominated radio in 1990.

'Smells Like Teen Spirit' destroyed that corporate rock domination practically overnight. We're all forever in Nirvana's debt.

U2
21 Pilots (I guess it's pretty rational though)
Deep Purple
New Crystal Castles

>>73272571
>and I refuse to based only on the band's name and album titles/covers.
why tho

your favourite band

Weezer is so fucking bad. i wouldn't say it's irrational but it is autistic

>>73272224
not him but melvins are god-tier

nirvana is bretty gud but overrated
their fanbase is the worst thing about them - cool guy 13yr olds, old people who try to act like cool guy 13yr olds and mindless consumers have washed all the edge out of nirvana. might as well listen to radiohead

Pearl Jam. Don't even know why I enjoy their songs I just have some weird hatred in the back of my mind whenever they're brought up

>>73272590
>Corporate rock switching gears and cashing in on "alternative" music destroyed corporate rock domination

There's absolutely nothing special about Nirvana that separates it from any other ultrapopular bands. They were very good, and made incredibly catchy, memorable songs, but there's nothing groundbreaking or boundary pushing about their music.

>>73272571
this but with gorillaz

>>73274151
>might as well listen to Radiohead

you say this like they're A. more popular than Nirvana and B. worse than Nirvana, neither of those things are true

>>73271678
Kings of Leon

>>73274280
radiohead is weesh

>>73271678
edgy contrarianism
thats the source

>>73272328
Came here to say this

unironically all dadrock

>>73274340
>you're not allowed to dislike band
Careful there, you're slowly reaching Pearl Jam fanboy levels of annoying.

>>73271934
>Compared to Paula Abdul or MC Hammer, Kurt Cobain really did look like a fucking genius rather than the dim-witted and emotionally underdeveloped bit of pseudo-artsy white trash that he actually was.

nail on the head
it really is incredible what a tragic death can do for your public image
anyone who ever listened to a single interview with kurt cobain could realize that the guy was a complete and utter dumbfuck, mentally on the level of a (not particularly intelligent or mature or eloquent) late teenager
and it's really fucking hard to take pretty much all the posturing that he did considering that none of the things he said lined up with his actions.

he'd shit on the mainstream and then call up mtv executives and scream at them for not playing nirvana videos enough.
he'd shit on and refuse to tour with guns n roses due to them being "too macho" and then go on tour with the fucking red hot chili peppers.
he'd describe himself as a feminist and then write a song as hilariously boneheaded and tasteless as "rape me"(not to mention him openly admitting to trying to fuck a retarded girl).
this is a guy who appeared on the cover of rolling stone magazine while wearing a t-shirt that said "corporate magazines still suck". i think that just about summarizes what a braindead, posturing, utterly inauthentic clown of a person kurt cobain was.
i would have killed myself too if i was as much of a fraud as he was.

but hey, he blew his brains out and that means he was actually a tortured tragic genius too pure for this world all along.

>>73272167
get rich or die trying was the only built for cuban lynx of the 00s

>>73275249
Any inconsistencies can be forgiven because he's clearly just really deep, being ironic, on a different level etc

Guns And Roses
RHCP
RATM
Nirvana
All buttrock in general

>>73271790
This but excluding Piper, Ummagumma, and Meddle

>>73271790
Lack of knowledge of music theory.

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>>73271827
>I love Kanye
>I hate Nirvana

Maybe you haven't listened to the right songs? Give some of their B-sides/basement recordings a go if you've already listened to Bleach, Nevermind and In Utero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkTklehHaDY
Here's a classic for you to start with.

>tfw you don't hate any artists

I dislike some; probably the closest I to who I have to hate is most of the new rap coming out, but even then there's some songs I heard that I thought were pretty good

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I hate everything about this fuckers

>>73277039
We know you do, Kurt.

>>73272700
I get it. Weezer has two albums that are worth any merit. The rest are Blink-182 tier pop punk crap that try way too hard to be "ironic", but fail based on the fact that they lack the subtlety required to achieve the kind of style they're going for.

>>73276796
dumb frog poster

>>73277039
THIS! The physical embodiment of everything wrong with rock and roll. I hate them so much when I found out Kurt hated them it gave me a new respect for him and his music, went from hating most of his stuff to totally enjoying it.

>>73277187
which albums?

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>>73275249
I agree with literally everything you said. The dude was a walking joke.
But for some reason I still absolutely adore him and his music.
He's also a qt so that helped him out a lot.

>>73277039
>>73277894
t. nu-males

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never been on /mu/ before today. hilarious. for a board that likes to bill itself as pretentious, you guys have some of the most middlebrow pleb tastes ive seen. you all seem to unironically like the sort of shit that's playing at your new local small plates spot. fucking faggots ahahahaha.

>muh kendrick lamar
>muh frank ocean

hahahaha are you faggots serious? step it the fuck up, it's embarassing

>>73271840
>meat is murder
>but enslaving Chinese men, women, and children is so great that'll I pay $1500 to make sure it continues

>>73271678
Nirvana

>>73279160
The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few

>>73271678
They're just Pixies and Dinosaur Jr. rip-offs who do everything worse than them yet get 10x the credit for 'changing music and defining an era'

>>73277187
no dude, i hate everything even blue and pinkerton. it's all pop grunge pop punk blink 182 green day tier shit

>>73277039
Manic Street Preachers did everything GnR did but better with their first 2 albums (album sales apart ofc)

>>73279178
The needs of the many to be spied on, buy new machines frequently due to planned obsolescence, use non-free software, use underpowered and overpriced hardware, and use their ithing as a status symbol?

>>73279181
You're a fucking fuckface. They sound more like Flipper, Melvins and Scratch Acid than fucking Pixies.
>but muh soft loud soft loud dynamics
That wasn't the only thing they had going on for them (i.e. their acoustic stuff and their noise jams)

>>73279230
You retard, Kurt admitted HIMSELF that he was trying to rip off Pixies when he made Nevermind

>>73279219
>Not donating your old stuff/recycling it
>Not releasing most of your work for free except that you need to make a living and support your family
>Not working to improve the state of the art

I mean we could all dedicate our lives to de-evolving back into nothing

>>73279242
you're thinking of the time he explained that smells like teen spirit was written quickly because the label said they needed and single and he decided to overtly rip off the pixie's style on that one track

>>73279242
*when he made Smells Like Teen Spirit
Yeah he copped the soft/loud dynamics from Pixies, no fucking shit, everyone knows that. They still had a lot more going on than that. Plus, he probably said that to draw attention to a band he loved, he liked to do that. Dude genuinely admired his influences.

>>73279264
>>Not donating your old stuff/recycling it
That's against Apple's policy
>>Not releasing most of your work for free except that you need to make a living and support your family
All software should free and open source
>>Not working to improve the state of the art
Improve it by not buying Apple products

>>73272571
>Listen to Sowing Season, kind of dig it
>A bit radio friendly dadrock for my tastes but it's the single so w/e
>Dig into the rest of the album
>The vocalist is replaced with a whiny emo crooner w/emotional voice cracks on every other word
>All the dynamism of Sowing Season is nowhere to be found

Was hoping for listenable buttrock, got unlistenable emo rubbish, 0/10

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Slipknot and their entire fanbase

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>>73279320
this is by far the worst opinion I have ever seen on this website

>>73279320
I will literally chew your balls off you fucking faggot

>>73279377
Please don't post boobs on /mu/

>>73274323
yeah same
dunno why

>>73271678
I only hate this band because their marketing team managed to create the meme that they were the second coming of Christ with stupid phrases like "changed music forever" and "voice of a generation" and retards actually fall for it.
Other than that their a decent band.

>>73279646
Oh and also because Kurt was a twat.

>>73279288
SLTS is literally just a "Gigantic" rewrite
Just change the 4chords to something else and change "hey paul hey paul lets have a ball" to "hello hello hello how low" and you're done.

>>73274236
Grunge is a marriage of heavy metal and punk that Nirvana & Co. popularized with great songs and performance.

It was groundbreaking then. Understand that even bands on big record labels couldn't get heard outside of college radio or 'alternative hour' (as my local classic rock station had every Sunday night) if they weren't predictable and mature pop-rock (Phil Collins, Aerosmith's 11th album) or played-out hair-metal (Poison, Bon Jovi).

Grunge de-pussified loud rock, and wasn't so safe and predictable.

Respect grunge - it Made Rock Great Again.

Blink 182

>>73274406
listening to music outside your age group should be a fucking requirement to even be on /mu/. Grow up.

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>>73279706
>Respect grunge - it Made Rock Great Again.

>>73272328
I actually thought it was one of their best covers, including Lake of Fire. It feels fucking raw, unlike Bowie's version, although I do like that one too.

>>73271678
i never liked them either. alice in chains were so much better in songwriting and technical ability

and im a guitar nerd so take something like introspection from greg howe and put it up against nevermind, what the fuck dude

>>73274151
>and mindless consumers have washed all the edge out of nirvana.

But when you tell them to name a single song other than Teen Spirit, Come as you are, Heart shaped box or Man who sold the world they'll look like dumbasses. In Bleach, Insecticide and In Utero were their magnum opus. Nevermind and unplugged were a mistake.

>love every nirvana record, from the poppiest, most catchy shit to their crazy aggressive stuff
>see all this dislike for them

I dont get it guys, have you listened to Incesticide? Definitely one of the best bands of the 90s.

>>73279706
>Understand that even bands on big record labels couldn't get heard outside of college radio or 'alternative hour'
Who cares? Why do we need normies listening to "alternative" music?
They're just going to use it up for 2 years then throw it in the garbage when they find the next fad, which is exactly what happened to grunge. It might have lasted longer and given us better music if Nirvana didn't sell out and make it accessible to the plebs.

>>73279706
What does the phrase "de-pussified" mean to you? I'm genuinely trying to figure out where that came from here

>>73279181
I love the Pixies. I REALLY love dino jr.

But as much as I loved them , they weren't good enough to break through the imposing wall of shit between alternative bands and the radio.

Nirvana was. Nirvana did.

I actually did love Nirvana, maybe you should listen to some of their more softer songs.

Anyways, I hate U2 as a band. Some of their songs are good(mysterious ways, new years day, etc) but I fucking hate that faggot bono with a passion.

>>73279817
>technical ability
yes

>songwriting
nah

At their core, Nirvana were a punk band and AiC a metal band. They had different aims as far as technic goes. Even then, Kurt's anti-solos were melodic and memorable as fuck. Hell, I bet most folk can hum the In Bloom solo. Everything they did was insanely melodic.

>>73279822
>Unplugged was a mistake
no

I despise Mac Demarco, but I know that I hate him because he's a talentless hack.

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>>73279442

>>73279893
Even easier to take advantage of

>>73279593
holy shit...lowkey me too

>>73279867
It has nothing to do with talent, Nirvana was specifically propped up by these same evil commercial radio stations Nirvana supposedly "broke". It was an experiment that paid off big for the record companies and it's the reason Nirvana are so popular despite them being by far the worst band in the big 4 and one of the most milquetoast grunge bands to have ever existed

>>73279915
this guy gets it

>>73272354
used to hate mac, then actually listened to his music and it wasn't bad, but it's still highschool weedcore.

>>73279915
>by far worst in big 4
This opinion is wrong. There is no parallel universe in which fucking Pearl Jam is better than Nirvana.

>>73279915
Lmao u're dumb
Only thing the "executives" did was polish Nevermind. Even then, you had Territorial Pissings, Endless Nameless that drone-ish part in Drain You, all the anti-solos, etc. No one could predict Nevermind's success at the time, maybe only the few who heard About A Girl and saw the amount of potential that sound had.

>>73279646

>their marketing team managed to create the meme that they were the second coming of Christ with stupid phrases like "changed music forever" and "voice of a generation" and retards actually fall for it.

They only said that after they sold a zillion copies of Nevermind and it became true. The record label had no idea how big the album would be. For a couple of weeks you literally couldn't buy this album anywhere, because it was sold out everywhere.

>>73279953
You're right, I just said that to be inflammatory, I went too far

>>73279822
>unplugged was a mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOZKz_sPM6U
hahahaha no

Shame. I love Nirvana. They were the last great rock band to have any cultural influence so great that it defined a decade and brought rock to a more developed stage, instead of the long haired, heels faggots that infected the 80s. Sadly, the fucking idiot killed himself while the band were at their peak, or at least hitting it.

To sum them up, they were a light that burned twice as bright but lasted half as long.

>>73271678
Well Nirvana did kinda kill popular rock music

>>73279990
More like a light that burned with a normal brightness but lasted half as long and that made people think it was brighter.

>>73279701

Ok - but while you're at it you may want to acknowledge that Gigantic, and Surfer Rosa, went absolutely nowhere when released.

>>73280026
They were one of the biggest, most popular rock bands in the world when Kurdt an hero'd. They already had plenty of cultural impact by that point.

>>73279972
>it became true.
it's not anymore true than Van Halen or Limp Bizcut or Lady Gaga "changing music"
Artist sells a lot of copies = other artists and record companies want to do the same = they make similar sounding shit to do so.
That's what always has happened and always will happen.
The music industry = / = music
And "the voice of a generation" is such a lazy stupid idea. GenX is the same generation that loved Poison, Michael Jackson, New Kids on the Block and Spice Girls. But Nirvana is the "voice" of them, why?

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>>73279915
>>73279822
>>73279840
>>73279817
>>73278024
>>73275249

>>73280037
>muh sales
who the fuck cares?
This is a music board, not a business board.
gtfo cleanshirt.

>>73271934
>could barely wrap their heads around U2's Achtung Baby(no offense meant against this album; it's fucking great and a major accomplishment in popular music)
Wtf am I reading?

>>73280037
Makes them better imo ;^)

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>>73280026
>More like a light that burned with a normal brightness but lasted half as long and that made people think it was brighter

wat

>>73279840
>Who cares? Why do we need normies listening to "alternative" music?

Speaking for myself, its that *I* wanted to listen to alternative music, and it was hard as hell to find. I loved what I heard, but the 2-hour Sunday-night radio show wasn't enough for me.


And it felt unjust that so many great bands were making such great music, and they were shut out. And I had learned to despise regular radio, and that wasn't very fun either.

But i get your point. IF you can access the music (like the internet lets us now) AND the bands don't give up before their time because can't make a living playing music, its funner to keep them in a small club of cool, like-minded fun /mu/tants.

>>73280129
Nah, he was totally a whiny little faggot, but that's okay because he somehow made it cool.
He also made amazing music so it doesn't matter how much of a faggot he was.

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Except for some songs here and there, of course. Fuck you, some were ok....

>>73280245
I hate all the praise that piece of shit of an album Dookie gets. That shit has less dynamics than the fucking Ramones. One of the very few albums where all songs sound all the same to me. Does that garbage get praise literally just due to fucking Basket Case or something? It's some of the most boring, energy lacking pop punk albums I've heard. American Idiot is infinitely better.

>>73279843
The 'de-pussified' comment was speaking specifically of hair metal. I'm one of the rare people on this board who have good things to say about the genre - but by 1990 most of the hit hair-metal songs were <shudder> power ballads, and the glammy look (Poison being the worst offender) was very played out by then.

Glammy makeup/spandex and power-ballads are both designed to attract female fans (which Poison and Bon Jovi had in droves). But that pussifies the band and the music.

Any random episode of 'Beavis & Butthead' breaks it down in further detail.

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I just cannot listen to these guys, I know that /mu/ loves them during the The Tourist##frequency era but I tried to like them, I just can't.

>>73280297
Well, I liked Paradise....Among others....

>>73280325
Can you explain the appeal of Dookie to me? Am I missing something? I might be bashing that album unfairly idk

>>73280310
They actually had some great songs. I swear they were smeared for stupid shit, and all of the sudden normies started hating them for nothing other than "lol they suk XDDD". Although I agree they're nothing special, they're really not that bad.

>>73280307
Funny thing is Kurt always called those bands "Macho" and always whinged about "misogyny and homophobia" which he seemed to mostly develop in his own head and project onto them.

Well, for me they were the best grunge band, although thats not saying much since most were pretty shit to begin with. Difference is that Nirvana had range and could do more softer, or poppy songs.

For me this song perfectly encapsulates grunge. Raw, unorganized, loose, aggressive but still catchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD0D7IuriWQ

>>73279915
Whatever history article you've read is wrong - and you certainly weren't there to be this mistaken.

Everyone had videos. Lots of bands were on big labels before Nevermind
(Soundgarden were on A&M, Pixies were on Elektra, Sonic Youth were on DGC, etc. etc.)

But they were all consigned to the alternative-rock ghetto. It wasn't some genius evil record executive who flipped a magic switch for Nevermind.

Its that it was a great album, with great songs, by a great band, with the right sound, for the right time.

And everybody loved it. EVERYBODY. And the played-out glam look dies overnight, and the past-their-prime hitmakers of the '60's and '70's no longer got more media attention than new bands, and a new era was born.

>>73271840
Thank fuck, I often thought I was the only one.

I love a lot of weird, noisy shit; but I also like there to be some skill behind it. This guy... no. Nothing that resembles any skill at all.

>>73280026
>made people think it was brighter

MAGIC?!?!??!

>>73280475
Thank you. People in YouTube comments will defend his shit all day calling other people plebs for not liking this type of noise music and even thinking that it isn't really music.

>>73280130
The thread is about irrational hatred.

You want to talk about how the notes hurt your feelings, be my guest.

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>>73279195
This. MSP are everything hard rock should be.

>>73280107
I tried, but can't follow. You are saying you want their music separated from its cultural impact and evaluated purely on its own merit?

I won't defend any "voice of a generation" b/s, for Kurt or anybody else of any generation. I agree it's a lazy way to impose something you like on others, particularly people of *other* generations who might not know better.

>>73280338
For me some of the appeal of Green day is the more clean, polished "punk rock". Hell, even billy's voice is kinda good to listen to. idk, I can't even explain it. What I do know that it paved the way for more of a pop-rock type of genre, which was either good or bad depending on the person.

I guess you'd like it if you like that type of punk. For me, it's a product of it's time, but I kinda like listening to some of it.

>>73280338
dookie has a lot of great tunes senpai

>longview
>when I Come Around
>She
>Basket Case
>Welcome to Paradise
>Pulling Teeth

It's not a masterpiece but it sure is a fucking clasic.

>>73271934
>they had ...a management team which knew how to market them towards a clueless, largely teenage MTV audience

How did they do that? Change their haricuts? Change the way they dressed? Polish them up for interviews?

There was no magical management team/person/svengali. But feel free to prove your point with any examples of things Nirvana's management team did to make Nirvana THE ONE to break out into megastars.

>>73280759
>feel free to prove your point with any examples of things Nirvana's management team did to make Nirvana THE ONE to break out into megastars
they pushed them as the shapeshifting lizard-jews they were

>>73271934
>they had major label backing and a management team which knew how to market them
The fuck? The record labels never even knew how to market them. They did what they wanted and dressed the way they did because whatever they were doing made money. The only thing they did get in the way of is how they named their albums and shit(Kurt wanted to originally name In Utero 'I hate myself and want to die').

Real reason why he stood out as a genius from other people is because he was one, and his songs speak for themselves.

>>73280368
Well I think what they meant by "de-pussify" and how it is commonly understood is a bit different.

>>73280368
Yes! Forget Kurt, *everyone* here on /mu/ will say the same thing - hair metal as machobuttrock hurr.

A very telling comment on the feminized world of today when the hair metal guys, despised and mocked by the actual macho guys of their era, are considered too masculine for the nu-males of today. Purely, as far as I can tell, because the lyrics are often about trying to get laid.

Kiss fucking sucks and Gene Simmons dies broke

>>73279706
Yeah, grunge did to hair metal what punk did to prog rock. And I like prog rock but sometimes they need a good kick in the balls to remind them not to be so up their own asses.

>>73279160
apple doesn't do that directly just the manufacturers in China whom they work directly with

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>>73280910
This. Grunge was the nuke to reset the faggotry that was glam rock. Did it with style too.

>>73280855
If you are saying that grunge is more pussified than hair metal, you may have a point. The sound of grunge is generally loud and aggressive, but I always saw Nirvana as a look inside a frustrated beta male - really his internal monologue, complete with accompanying music conveying the emotions, released on the world.

That's very beta - hmm. I'll think about this one.

>>73280338
It may be the defining album of the pop-punk genre. If you don't like the genre, fine. But is there any pop-punk album better?

>>73271934
>Unremarkable college rock

Wrong

Name me ONE song like Negative Creep from this ocean of unremarkable college rock you speak of.

>U2 being great

ahhh okay nvm.

>>73280844
I won't say Cobain was a genius. Genius is thrown around way too much these days. I'd be pressed to call any of the popular figures in music of the past 5 decades genius. Cobain was, however, an excellent songwriter.

Contrarians will say that Soundgarden or Alice in Chains were better, but when it comes to taste, Cobain had a leg up, which made him better than both.

Soundgarden was 70s Sabbath and Zep worship with new clothes. They could write good stuff, but it was really just hard rock continued with a twist or two

Alice in Chains is very blues based songwriting, with one foot steadily into their hair metal past. The influence of hair metal is blatantly obvious is available to anyone with ears

Cobain, however, wasn't worshiping Zeppelin or Sabbath, wasn't pulling from hair metal. He had an eclectic taste, even for today's standards

While Cornell was writing songs with Andrew Wood, likely listening to Zeppelin and other hard rock, Cobain had built up a catalog of things he liked that weren't even being noticed by his peers. He loved Devo, Beat Happening, Shonen Knife, Flipper, Sonic Youth, Melvins, Black Flag, The Shaggs, Swans, The Vaselines, The Wipers, and tons of other shit. Not to say Devo wasn't listened to, or Swans, but he was an odd man out in his scene and he knew to pull from all these influences in a pop songwriting format. Most don't know he was also a King Crimson fan. He loved terrible pop like ABBA and Bay City rollers too, so he was able to combine those influences into something truly fresh. The rest of the "grunge" scene weren't pulling from indie bands, punk, or noise like he did. That's part of what makes Nirvana special, and frankly, better.

>>73280026
I think you kinda lost the metaphor there m8

>>73280397
This song is ESSENTIAL Nirvana.

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>>73280948
And Boy/girlbands were the nuke to reset the faggotry that was grunge. Did it with style too.

>>73280196
>he was a whiny little faggot
That's nearly EVERY musician mate

>>73280990
Enema of the State is a better genre codifier, I reckon.

One for me that I absolutely can barely stand - the Rolling Stones.

>>73280368
They were macho

Hair metal was very much the popular genre of the day, Girls and guys loved them some Bon Jovi, and of course, the Proto Hair metal band Van Halen.

Misogyny is pretty clear in their music. He made homophobia comments more directed towards society and bands like GNR IIRC


>>73280961
>Frustrated beta male

Hardly. Cobain had no trouble getting laid, and that seems to be the separation between A/B

But the alpha/beta dichotomy is a over simplification of a complex world. Alpha males don't actually exist. There is those who lead and those who follow, and if you still believe in that dichotomy that would make most of us beta, like 99.9 percent of humans.

>>73279195

If this
>>73280670
is what Manic Street Preachers look like, I think you answered your own question.

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>>73272700
>>73279194
Same here. I don't understand how this trash is so highly praised here.

>>73280990
Anything The Get Up Kids ever did
Anything the Descendents ever did
Anything the Buzzcocks ever did
Deja Entendu

>>73280803

FINALLY someone says what we've all been thinking.

>>73280961
Yeah that's what I meant, when people called him "the voice of a generation" they meant he gave voice to all the frustrated betas that was loud and agressive while still being introspective (when he wasn't just growling random words)

>>73271840
Noise is murder.

>>73271678
I reckon its
>Le wrong generation meme
because you're a 90s kid and that's what the 90s were in popular music culture, you feel like it deserves less praise, it's like the opposite of when people think the earth is the centre of the universe and shit like that

>>73281002
You nailed it. Half of Nirvana's appeal was Kurt's taste and influences, and how they bled into his music. His taste was way more eclectic than his peer's, he had a way more refined artistic and aesthetic visions (exemplified by his love of painting and artwork). We could also say he was a melodic genius, which helped make his songs very fucking memorable.

Also, I urge you to read about Achtung Baby's context and give a few spins. It's a truly remarkable album with a massive influence, and a really unique affair when it came out. Also, Original Soundtracks 1 is fantastic as well. U2 are shit for the most part but their early 90's stuff is stellar.

>>73281078
Nah man, Nirvana and grunge as a whole celebrated a more dirtier androgynous look, in contrast to the heavy makeup and elaborate (read: faggy) costumes that would make the village people cum, of hair metal

>>73281088
They dressed like that to stir shit up. James Dean Bradfield, their vocalist/guitarrist, was manly as fuck, and Sean, their drummer, was just a regular lad. They were just a group of lads who loved football, poetry and music. Read up on their history, it's interesting stuff.

>>73281002
Don't forget Kurt also liked Daniel Johnston

>>73281035
Gonna disagree - I think Kurt killing himself not only ended the best of the grunge bands, but made people wake up out of the introverted, self-absorbed angst and smell the flowers a little.

Depressing became 'out', and that was a good thing,

>>73281002
>>73281206
Supposedly Kurt's handwritten list of favorite records.

Saw an interview where D. Grohl says he and Kurt bonded early over their mutual appreciation for the Beatles.

>>73281078
We don't have the same understanding of alpha/beta.

>>73281395
What's your understand of it

>>73281119
i think you're right. But now I have to think about whether this applies to other grunge bands as well...

Pearl Jam I think is similarly beta.

Soundgarden and Mudhoney, however, I think much less so.

Thoughts?

>>73271790
Hating Floyd.
Hmm.
Well, it could mean you're just stupid. Nothing you can do about that, don't beat yourself up about it, bro.

>>73271678
Whatever your favorite band is, that you're too scared to mention.

>>73281171
Dirtier, absolutely. Androgynous? Not at all.

While the hair metal bands must have needed two hours to get dressed and made up for a show, the grunge musicians dressed exactly like an average slacker male on an average day, i.e. like they just got out of bed and threw on the first thing they saw.

Lack of pretension was a key part of appeal.

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>>73281345
<forgot pic>

>>73281216
this guy knows

>>73281449
Alpha males do really exist.

>>73271934
Ah, the mythical magical marketing team. The time-honoured argument against any popular band.
Hope you didn't spill your fedora typing that out.

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>>73281078
>Hair metal
>Bon Jovi
>Van Halen

lol
guess how I know you're too young to have been there?

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>>73277039
Sweet child o mine has got to be one of the worst songs i've had the displeasure of listening to. the opening guitar has now become a trigger for me to change the station, God just thinking about these douchers and they're 3 other popular songs gets me so fucking miffed.

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>>73271678

I understand why people like them, I just think they're super over rated.

Also The Clash, and I will also jump on your Nirvana hate as well.

>>73271678

I hate this band because of their fans. Generation X'ers get so pissed off when people tell them that the music they grew up with was crap. They defend Nirvana as if they had even a shred of the talent of Pink Floyd or The Beatles or The Stones. We get it, you grew up with it. Then they get more pissed when cheap Copycats like Creed and Nickleback became good and real grunge was ruined. If you ask me, Grunge was never anything but a west coast version of anarchist Punk. Grunge was never about music, it was about an image or message, though some fans dispute if Nirvana is really the greatest rock band of all time. not even freaking close

>>73279867
bullshit, Doolittle is genius and absolutely 'good enough' to break through, they just didn't fall into the same circumstances Nirvana did. You sound like the sort of Nirvana fanboy whose fanaticism spills over into being a Foo Fighters apologist

>>73272571
Lel, it had the opposite effect on me

>>73280918
Apple endorses them and supports the slavery, buying from them supports that slavery and, worse, supports proprietary software, among other atrocities.

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>>73271678

>pic related

also:
radiohead
led zepplin
sublime
slipknot
linkin park

>>73281666
Not only that, it's also sickeningly overplayed

all hairmetal

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I think its because Bono is a cunt

Not me, but my dad has a serious irrational hatred for CCR. He hates them to the point that he gets visibly upset and frustrated. One time, Squeeze Box by The Who came on over the local classic rock station and he thought it was a CCR song. He then proceeded to shout at me when I not only asked him why he was so angry, but also insisted that it was The Who.

No idea what happened. I think John Fogerty might have fucked one of his girlfriends back in the day.

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Pantera ... they lack in most cases creativity or descent delivery. I don't hear this whole "guitar god vibe" from it. All I get is white trash noise. I like many forms of metal and rock, but Pantera lacks substance.

>>73283822
Pantera is definitely redneck butt metal

>>73274323
I used to be the same way. I really hated them. Now I like them a lot though

>>73283109

John Fogerty is your biological dad.

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its amazing how little i care for these guys
>>73279593
Well combat rock at least
>>73281515
>everyone who doesn't like the same things i do is stupid
>>73271678
super unpopular opinion

Most emo/pop punk/scene bands..

lot of it has to do with image and vocal style

>>73279442
kek

>>73281641
>You're laughing at me because I wasn't alive in the 70s and 80s

You'd prefer I'd be 40+ to give you the real scoop?

Van Halen is like THE american band, especially during their time. You didn't have to be alive during that time to know that.

Bands like Metallica were popular but not on the same level because guess why...WOMEN DIDN'T CARE FOR THEM IN THE 80s.

>>73281583
What does an alpha look/act like? What is their personality? What do they do? How do they talk?

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>>73279160
>he fell for the leftists using technology meme
1. Should we then, all go back to the stone age
2. There is no ethical consumption under late capitalism, those in glass houses should not throw stones

>>73284192
To add, what would you prefer me to say?

Cinderella?
Skid Row?
Poison?
Motley Crue?
Great White?
Def Leppard?
Warrant?
Ratt?
Dokken?
Guns N Roses?
Whitesnake?

All these bands were popular and you can't be popular off of a all female fanbase.

>>73271678
Anything your grandad likes.

Take your time...

Work it out...

They all seem the same these days

>>73279331
Friendly reminder that Corey Taylor is a huge DG fan.

>>73281554
Why specifically did he like Young God (or Raping a Slave) as he calls it? It doesn't really do anything that the previous two LPs didn't already do better.

>>73271840
I love the fact that he is the guy who managed to make a living by doing random noise fuckery. I have mad respect for that, even though his art is barely listenable.

I wish I was at his place. People treat you like a musical mastermind, but he's just fucking around most of the time.

>>73271678
Not irrational but I fucking HATE that South African band Die Antwoord or whatever they're called.
Their music literally makes me angry as fuck as soon as I hear it.
It's offensive to music.

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I can't fucking stand this hippy bullshit.

>>73284498
TAKE IT BACK

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>>73284519
No fuck off loser.

>>73281701
Nirvana did have talent. Which is why they made such memorable songs that arnge from hard grunge to pop. Also, Kurt was a great at lyrics and singing. You're just mad that no one appreciates your faggy long haired rock.

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Tool lost me a long time ago.

>>73284372
Doesn't excuse him from clogging up every news site with his dumb opinions on the daily.

>>73281345
>D. Grohl says he and Kurt bonded early over their mutual appreciation for the Beatles.

I even heard that he got inspired to write About a Girl after watching a documentary about the Beatles. It does sound a little Beatle-esc.

>>73280873
this.

>>73271678 Velvet Underground. Boy I'll have a riot at my door.

>>73279822
>Nevermind and unplugged were a mistake.
No. Nevermind single handily destroyed the faggotry of haired rock. It served it's purpose, and has a few good ones, slightly overrated tho.

Unplugged is arguably their greatest album. Are you fucking high?

>>73279593
Fuck off Clash were great.

>>73284224
1. Not all, just the leftists if they don't want to be hypocritical
2. Yes there is, ethics isn't as clear cut as that

>>73280959
Holy shit i hate these fucks