Who's in the wrong here? http://www.stereogum.com/1945

>>73234785
>It’s like you can literally hear his songs being bullied by better songs.

I just dont understand what makes a musician publicly rip on another musician. Like even if you dont care about anything, money or fans, why would do that?

Jesus, I didn't realize Sam Ray was 26 years old.

But I agree with him I guess, Car Seat Headrest is the worst band from this decade, and perfectly encapsulates everything that went wrong with indie.

>>73234986
A): Desperate attempt at regaining fans
B): They're in cahoots.

I think it's B.

>>73235021
why does everything gotta be black and white on this board? Its either best ever or "worst band from this decade" like hahahah

>>73235052
fuck you

>>73235052
I love you

>>73235052
Okay, I agree for the most part with what you said. But Car Seat Headrest is actually the worst of the worst.

>>73235052
because grey scenarios inherently correlate with real-world social dynamics and most people on 4chan are socially isolated losers

CSH is trying way too fucking hard. They're doing so many things in the most retarded way possible. Will is incredibly whiny and his lyrics are so shitty and transparent. He's trying to be so big it's sad. Will is the physical manifestation of a poser.

>>73235021
>Jesus, I didn't realize Sam Ray was 26 years old.
only on /mu/ is 26 old

>>73235178
Okay, but you wouldn't guess some of the lyrics on the latest Teen Suicide album were written by a 25 year old.

>>73235172
I feel like every indie-core artist is like this but they're just less obvious about it. If he hadn't started on Bandcamp maybe I would feel differently.

>>73235193
you listened to a 26 track teen suicide album
whatever happens to you is your fault

>>73235209
>I feel like every indie-core artist is like this but they're just less obvious about it
to an extent, but they're more humble. The entire point of indie and lofi is to be shut ins. It's more down to earth.
CSH feels incredibly douchey with it's attitude.

I like both artists, but I don't like Sam Ray in this scenario. Sure, CSH isn't a revolutionary act, but neither are Teen suicide and Ricky Eat Acid (I mean even the latest album by REA sounds like pastiche Indietronica, wonky). Idk he comes off as a pretentious tool in this "essay", if you can call it that.

>>73235306
Sam sounds douchey in this but so does Will in a lot of interviews and that Carrie & Lowell thing lmao.

>>73235353
Ricky's better at songwriting though. His music has better structure and melodies. CSH is all over the place and has the same 3 chords that don't fit at all. It sounds like something i would make at 14. His criticism is well deserved

I need to figure out which one is more faggy before i take a side
This is going to be difficult lads

>>73234785
He's just mad because Will Toledo is higher up on the nu-male totem pole. (Kurt Ballou is at the top, incase you didn't know)

Teens of denial is absolute piece of shit. From How to leave town back is where the great stuff is.

I can understand not liking (or even hating) CSR but saying it's "the worst band of the decade" is undeniably contrarian.

The guy, the culture he lives in, and the entire genre he represents rub me the wrong way

But the music is objectively not bad. I've only listened to Twin Fantasy though. I don't really care for indie

>>73234986
taking yourself very seriously and smiling at your own words

I don't even dislike CSH or Will but this was pretty funny.
>>73234986
Because musicians are allowed to have opinions too and have outlets other than 4chan to express them

I sold a copy of the twin fantasy cassette for $60. I bought because of the /mu/ memes

why in the name of fuck do people even bother finding out about the musicians they listen to or what their opinions are

it's only ever disappointing

I like CSH and Ricky Eat Acid for what they are

fairly decent modern versions of things which have been done better in the past

and that's fine

>>73234785
Car seat headrest are indeed shit. But didn't this guy end up marrying a meme MySpace rapper? How can he honestly judge?

>>73234986
because he's a bit of a d-bag
love his music but the guy's desperate for attention and will do anything for it
>>73235353
agreed

>>73234785
Question. Does everyone hate Will Toledo because he once browsed /mu/ and actually got famous from his music? So now people just pretend to hate him but are actually jealous or does this dude actually suck?

>>73236113
Toledo took off on tumblr not 4chan. Might as well say Halsey also browsed this place.

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>>73234785
this is what you get for talking smack about sufjans work. karmas a bitch.

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>>73235789
>Smiling at your own words

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Pretty funny response desu senpai

>>73236113
Funny thing is that a ton of people seem to vocally despise Will but Twin Fantasy gets posted almost daily.

>>73234785
He married the chick danny brown was fucking right?

>>73236188
Nice try Will

>>73236113

Both probably. Although I imagine the more vehement ones are the former.

>>73236113
I hate him because he's a pretentious faggot who makes incredibly bland """indie""" yet gets hailed as the second coming by p4k and other publications, and has completely taken it to head. I normally expect for artists to be asshles but he takes it too far even for me. Watch his What's In My Bag episode for fuck's sake.
>>73236146
Nah, he shilled Twin Fantasy endlessly when it came out. Someone compiled all the archive links with him samefagging and praising himself using the same copied and pasted responses countless times.

No clue who Ricky Eat Acid is but holy shit he looks fucking creepy

>>73236236
5'7" men with misshapen heads, glasses, intentionally poor hair and facial hair who wear women's clothes are the next step of human evolution

>>73235606
this

>>73234986
I'd say because it
1. garners attention, and since no one has listened to teen suicide since at least 2013 he really needs that
and
2. low hanging fruit, the dude's right, car seat headrest are like the AC/DC of shitty indie rock bands. There's just no substance there at all.

>>73236188
What smug faggot

>>73236188
kek

lol, this is the Battle of the Douches.

Who can out-douche one another? Find out tonight, on TNT! We Know Drama!

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>>73234785
Sam is probably right but he is an attention whore online. He always bashes American Football as well.

His wife is a qt but twice as annoying as him

I don't know who Ricky Eat Acid is but I won't be trying to find out because presumably that's the exact reason he wrote this

>>73236189
By 1. some autist
or 2. by Bill

>>73234785

I recognize all of those words but don't know what they mean in that order

>>73236188
>acting like he didn't read it
>acting like there aren't 5 angry tweets saved in his drafts

csh is pure shit
tbf teen suicide is pretty puerile as well but i have a soft spot for them
entertaining essay at least

>>73234785
>sam ray is mad that hes no longer the popular lofi bandcamp meme buzzband
any album will made is better than teen suicides whole disography

wow
didn't think sam ray could write anything worse than his "songs" but this...uhh

>>73235709
>objectively not bad
just as retarded as the users who call music objectively bad

Fuck you idiot, CSH is horrible, and this comes from a fan of indie rock.

>>73235597
>(Kurt Ballou is at the top, incase you didn't know)
lel

Reasons?

I really want to hear this explanation.

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>i can be in a shitty rock band too but only because i'm doing it ironically!!

>>73236146
>Might as well say Halsey also browsed this place.
Halsey was entirely manufactured from the start, classic plant.

>>73235353
wow. insulting the album was bad enough, but when he went back on it with a blog post that started with "God damnit, I'm becoming the next father John misty, aren't I?" really fucking seals the deal that this man should leave his PR to a team. What an asshole

>>73236618
god, can't believe they got married. I think when this happened their careers jumped the shark.

>>73237596
you're retarded if you don't think FJM is a pretentious asshole
he's aware of that himself

if your favorite artist has a twitter and/or responds to criticism indirectly, you're a pleb

>>73237629
I agree that FJM is a pretentious asshole, but he's cultivated that image after playing music professionally for 10+ years, which I think gives him some sort of credibility. Will on the other hand has just barely gotten his feet wet in the industry, and although it's a joke it still feels like a contrived attempt at appearing self-aware.

Hahaha can you imagine being 26 and thinking you're too old for this shit, yet you still write a big essay on someone whose music is almost identical to your own? They both suck ass, and so does Sufjan, while you're at it (although at least he does more than shred on the geetar)

>>73237621
kitty kinda jumped the shark with her first song desu

her new album's a banger tho, she's gonna be grimes-level huge. can you reverse shark-jump?

>>73236188
JUST

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poor sam

>>73235193
but you would guess that they were written by someone with a fan base consisting of people who liked his lyrics from his albums from 5 years ago

>>73236188
good response tb.h

>>73236618
wasn't she smashing that dude that produced beats for lil b?

>>73234986
Niggers "musicians" do it all the time. So it's cool obviously.

>>73235052
because instead of upvotes/downvotes, we have (you)s

upvotes/downvotes = agreeable opinions get upvoted; polemic shit gets downvoted

(you)s = agreeable opinions get silently agreed with (ie ignored); polemic shit gets replies

>>73234785
cut yourself freak

>>73236188
he read every word of it

the man is a beta cuck

>>73234785
>for my next promo shot i'm gonna pose like a polio victim

https://soundcloud.com/car-seat-headrest/stoney-bologne-feat-sam-ray

>>73234785
> Toledo’s public persona exists in between dull platitudes and esoteric name-dropping
wow sick adjective-noun combos you're firing off there bud

I fucking hate will toledo, so it would take a lot to actually make me want to take his side in something, but holy shit this manchild actually makes me want to

also this is why i would rather blow my fucking brains out than work in music journalism, could you imagining having to "cover" something this excrutiatingly insipid, the tumblr posts of some no-name shithead

>>73242120
This was kinda cringe, but also kinda funny so good on Will

>>73234785
Not a yuge fan of CSH, but he apparently had the very, very best response to this:

"my manager just told me that someone on the internet said that my music is bad

— car seat headrest (@carseatheadrest) June 7, 2017"

This is the correct attitude towards critics.

>>73234785
Could I file these guys' musical outputs under "approximately the same shit"?
He probably just hates him because they're so similar.
But honestly who cares lul I don't even know who the fuck this guy is at least I've heard of Car Seat Headrest

>youtube car seat headrest
>it sounds like the kind of forgettable 'almost a big name but they never really made it' "rock" from the early 2000s

>youtube ricky eat acid
>it sounds like what aphex twin fans would make for 'WRITE AN EP IN 7 DAYS!!!!!' contests on their obscure idm forums circa 2004

can these guys at least make good music before starting drama?

>>73243295
I get that you're trying to sound aloof and cool by having not listened to either but at this point it just makes you sound kind of stupid.

>>73243295
at least REA gets his meme of a wife nekkid in one of his videos

IT JUST TAKES SOME TIME, LITTLE GIRL
YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIDE
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING WILL BE JUST FINE
EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT

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>>73243096
epic, simply epic!
>>73243295
teen suicide is a better project
>>73243337
he's right about will

>>73244037
sam...

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>>73234785
>So bad we haven’t even made fun of the name yet
lmao
says the guy from band wit such great names as "teen suicide" and "ricky eat acid"
at least i can google car seat headrest without news reports about dead kids showing up

N U - M A L E

W A R Z

>>73235090
This perfectly explains /pol/.

>>73240795
>>>/pol/

>>73243427
link?

>>73246053
it perfectly explains 4chan, tumblr and reddit

>>73235481
Will Toledo is a gay furry tho, so root for Sam

>>73236146
Will definitely did not take off on tumblr, I used it before I came here and did not come across him once, even when searching for him not much would come up.

will—however awkward, gangly and clumsy—is the genuine article, unfortunate furry or not

sam ray is dunning-kruger incarnate; a dilettante who enjoys seeing his women get blacked six ways from sunday

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>pointless hipster runoff trash "musican" complains about another pointless hipster runoff trash "musician" for no good reason other than "he doesn't like thing"
>somehow makes news

jesus fuck is this what passes for music journalism these days?

>>73240379
Hot Sugar?

yea she was for a while, then her career (and his by association) tanked hard.

These days i think Hot Sugar got conned into signing to diplo's label, and she just got hitched to the first trash musican she could in hopes that she would get fame by association if he ever got big.

>>73246709
fuck off back to /pol/ you seepy arsehole

kitty's going supernova with her new record, screencap this

>>73246718
>don't like thing i like
>must be /pol/

how did you even infer this connection?

>>73236188
I love you Will

>>73236618
hahahh what a cuck he put a fucking ring on Danny Brown's leftovers L M A O

>>73237237
why? why is CSH bad, so many fucking people love to bash Will but then they never provide any evidence as to why he's "objectively bad"

It's because there isn't one and they don't really hate him they just hate him for being successful while no one listens to their shitty albums because unlike Will's, they're actually shit

>>73236113
Go to bed Will.

>>73246690
>jesus fuck is this what passes for music journalism these days?
Yes.