Noise Rock > any Punk music >>>>> any

Yeah sure, if you're a little bitch who can't handle visceral intensity and has thus chose to listen to inferior attempts at layered texture in music.

>>73082039
Noise rock is a memegenre

Post-punk >>> noise rock

>noise rock
when you can't write a song worth listening to so you layer cacophony at varying rates of intensity

>punk rock
when you can write 30 seconds of a song worth listening to so you do exactly that forever

>metal rock
when you write a symphony to rival beethoven but you obscure it ironically behind epic riffs and sick vocals

>>73082224
Haha joke's on you I only listen to rock metal

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>>73082173
>>73082224
Holy shit

>metal fans

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Noise rock, post-punk, industrial (and all of its subgenres) - these are the refuges of angst-ridden children who have just broken free from the constraints of /mu/core and wish to affect "unique" taste.

>>73082039
>noise rock = punk = metal
Real patricians only

>>73082251
Dumb weeb

name a noise album or punk album better than ride the lightning or master of puppets


protip: you literally cant

>>73082293
Both of those albums are shit

>>73082246
>can't make valid points so resorts to awful attempts at shit talking
How embarrassing. But then, I wouldn't expect much creativity from a person who genuinely thinks a genre as boring as noise rock is any good.

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>>73082312
Whatever you say kid

>>73082224
>when you write a symphony to rival beethoven but you obscure it ironically behind epic riffs and sick vocals

HAHAHAHAHHAHAA HOLY FUCK METALFAGS ARE DELUSIONAL

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>>73082224
>when you write a symphony to rival beethoven but you obscure it ironically behind epic riffs and sick vocals

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Explain why metal is shit without mentioning vocals(and lyrics) or the fanbase.
Right now.

>>73082400
Virginity.

>>73082328
>best selling noise rock record: Daydream Nation at 169,000
>best selling metal record: Metallica's Black Album that sold over 20 million, and has an anthem track played at every big social event
Lmao yeah sure, metal's the more weirdo loser asocial one.

>>73082436
Lemmy alone has fucked more girls than all noise rock band artists' lays put together.

>>73082039
Who is this semen demon

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>>73082453
LMAO TRIGGERED METALFAG

Want to recognize how a genre's shit? When it's even more repetitive in its sections than even radio pop music. Because listening to the same riff played for 17 minutes straight is so genius, right my fellow Sister Rays?

>>73082311
care to explain why?

>>73082483
Was this supposed to be an argument against metal? This is literally the entirety of rock sand prog and math.

>>73082479
>I-I a-am not triggered, y-you are!
>the misanthrope types while adjusting his fedora due to his fuming, channeling his faux nihilism in an attempt to appear cool

>>73082483
yeah metal does suck

>>73082453
...dude... stop...

>>73082504
>sand
sans*

>>73082504
>Sister Ray
>exact same riff for 17 minutes
>either one of these metal
Nigga what?

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>>73082224
>metal rock

>>73082529
I'm triggered.

>>73082453
>>73082513
Get a load of this guy

Metal is for children, just accept it

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>>73082475
Teodora from Legend Quest
she's toppest new waifu

>>73082524
>>73082520
>numales trying to DC because they can't handle objective fact
Damn, how can one be this delusional?

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>>73082513
KEEP GOING HAHAHHAAA


But seriously, why do metalshits have such thin skin?

>>73082497
Shitty predictable riffs and soloing
Metallica is a pleb version of Megadeth

>>73082293
le epic lyrics and riffs rawr XD

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get some taste metalfags

>>73082543
Nah, I live in reality.

>>73082562
Damage control is still damage control, my man. You got wrecked, and no amount of "haha" pics will change that.

>>73082595
>repeats the same theme throughout entire tracks
>nowhere near as intense as metal
This shit is literally music for weak beta faggots who can't handle actually intense music that also requires attention like metal. Shit in every musically quantifiable way.

>>73082623
>muh INTENSITY
This is why no one takes metalfags seriously, you like a literal gimmick genre for edgy teenagers

>>73082623
>>73082623
Do you even understand the concept of wrecking lmaooooo

>>73082400
Over reliance on DUDE DISTORTION AND LOUD LOL
Delusion obsession with 'Symphonies' despite only fucking focusing on Beethoven or Wagner
Generally poor quality, highly compressed
Each genre is just like the last, but either faster or slower

>>73082623
>This shit is literally music for weak beta faggots who can't handle actually intense music that also requires attention like metal. Shit in every musically quantifiable way.

What a tough guy! I'm so scared of your manliness

>>73082039
t. nu-male

>>73082400
Judging music based on the genre label people choose to apply to it is an exclusively pleb activity, it's just really fun and easy to bait metalfags because they're overly defensive crybabies.

I've never heard a metal album that even approaches Daydream Nation or The Modern Dance though.

>>73082657
>implying sheer visceral intensity is not a quality of music
Metal ensures heaviness, speed, and a constant driven progression to ensure that it maximizes intensity in ways other genres don't do. It's the best at delivering that experience the way western art music is the best at delivering more intricate, cerebral experiences. Noise rock on the other hand is inferior because we have more ambient and drone oriented style of music that explore textures in a much more sophisticated way.

>>73082665
Yeah, it's what keeps happening to you every time you respond to me.

>>73082687
This is a factual statement that would be true even if I was not a true alpha male badass.

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>>73082725
You can't actually be serious right now

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>>73082224
>when you write a symphony to rival beethoven but you obscure it ironically behind epic riffs and sick vocals

>>73082595
Total masterpiece, sonic youth never made a bad album

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>>73082453
>motorhead
>metal

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>>73082224
>when you write a symphony to rival beethoven but you obscure it ironically behind epic riffs and sick vocals

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>people actually defending metal in this thread

>>73082714
>that even approaches Daydream Nation or The Modern Dance though
Both records entail very basic riffs that are repeated throughout the entirety of their respective songs. The music doesn't progress anywhere near as much as metal, yet doesn't have the sophistication of more cerebral music to make up for it (like why the fuck listen to Pere Ubu when you can just listen to metal and a guy like Stockhausen?)

>>73082745
I see you have moved on from projection and delusion to more straightforward denial of the truth.

>>73082790
>n-no you guys can't have Lemmy it's not fair you guys have such a cool guy in your genre!
Sorry my man, but Motörhead is the epitome of NWOBHM and one of the bands responsible for the formation of thrash metal.

>people ITT: lel metal sucks so much
>get proven wrong
>afterward: lel we were just trolling, r-really it was just a j-joke you got worked, we aren't insecure that we listen to objectively inferior garbage.

>>73082813
>very basic riffs
Do a roman numeral analysis of "Candle". I assume you're well-versed in harmony and aren't just namedropping art music to appear superior?

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>>73082725

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>>73082829
>this whole post

Metal will never be artistically greater than Indie rock, just fucking accept it
>Indie rock
You know what I mean
>inb4 numale
I GUARANTEE I've fucked more chicks than you bitch, I would fucking dominate your pathetic ass if we met, you'd realise just how superior I am to you

>>73082829
>people ITT: lel metal sucks so much
>guy thinks he has proven them wrong
>afterward: lel metal sucks so much

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>>73082813
Not metal, even Lemmy agreed, and lel at you showing me s-stutter as if I was nervous, is that projection?

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get some taste metalfags

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Get some taste metalfags

This is the best thread I have seen in a long time.

imagine telling someone you listen to "noise rock"

>>73082974
I can't even imagine the pastas that will come out of this with all the triggered people, metal fans or not

>>73082996
Imagine telling someone you listen to metal

>>73083012
>>73082996
Imagine telling someone you listen to music

>>73083012
>>73082996
>>73083017
Imagine telling someone that you listen to sounds

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>>73082623

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>>73083060

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>>73082813
>Metal
>Cerebral

>>73082835
Most of the track's got basic bitch C chord D chord shit just fancied up with half step movements from those or inversions added so a C can look like an A chord. A roman numeral analysis of Candle would be pointless. It's very simplistic from that perspective in terms of progression, but really it's biggest offender is repeating the same old shit for extremely long periods of time with no variation.

>>73082836
This only has the heaviness. That's it. Boring as fuck with its repetition otherwise.

>>73082858
One only believes in this if they live in their tiny middle class white boy bubble. Metal's about the music, not aesthetic, so it's loved by people around the world.

>>73082867
Yet to see any valid refutations that aren't people trying to "lel we trolled ya" style damage control. These people were only expecting le typical angry baited person, not a patrician like me that has pointed out the actual flaws within inferior genres like noise rock and indie rock.

>>73082900
Lemmy called Motorhead rock n roll, AIC called themselves metal. Doesn't make either true. Also it's not projection when it's the truth.

>>73083093
I never called metal cerebral though. In the very same post I posited that it's better to go metal for visceral and Stockhausen for cerebral instead of Pere Ubu's being shit at both. It doesn't surprise me that you of such low intelligence wouldn't be able to read correctly, but please, don't embarrass yourself and waste others' time like this.

>>73083122
>Metal's about the music, not aesthetic
Just shut the fuck up lmao

>>73083122
>Most of the track's got basic bitch C chord D chord shit just fancied up with half step movements from those or inversions added so a C can look like an A chord. A roman numeral analysis of Candle would be pointless.
Lmao, I like how you probably spent 20 minutes trying to work it out before realising you don't know what you're talking about so reverted to this cop-out response.

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>>73083122
You literally have no argument, there's nothing to refute in your post, you have only posted your opinions on what you like in music while presenting them as universal fact, like a retard. If you don't see this, you need to be put down

>>73083122
Wow, it's really that easy to trigger metalheads?

>>73083169
It is though. You don't see those large ass stadiums around the world from everywhere to Download Festival to venues in Brazil and India that hold 100000s of people for noise rock.

>>73083208
You really are an idiot, try to argue relevant points next time. That still doesn't mean it's not aesthetics first

>>73083208
The plebs do tend to be large in number

>>73083122
You keep pointing out things but you still come out as "le typical angry baited person". The fact you keep replying proves this further.
Besides you seem to be in a delusional state where you think the only good genre is Metal, which is not true. I enjoy both noise rock, punk rock and Metal (not Metal Rock, seriously).
Stop replying. You enjoy metal, that's fine, go enjoy metal.

>>73083259
>Stop replying.
Hell no, I'm enjoying this

>>73083188
>let me assume something to make myself feel better
Hahahahah nah. See, you posited that the track's progression is something highly sophisticated, yet I showed that it's just a handful of basic bitch chords. Sorry this music you like is so boring, maybe I could've said more if it was actually exciting and interesting.

>>73083195
There are quantifiable aspects of music. Metal tends to rank highly on the intense visceral aspects of it, western art music and some jazz ranks highly on the more complex/intricate aspects of music, those make them worth listening to. Noise rock has neither the intensity of the earlier, nor the depth of the latter. It's objectively inferior.

There I repeated it for you since your dumb fuck ass was too stupid to pick it up the first few times.

>>73083196
This is not the first statement from you guys that has the "le so triggered" in it. You guys are getting as boringly repetitive as your music.

This really is another noise rock and indie rock get BTFO by metal again episode.

>>73083289
>See, you posited that the track's progression is something highly sophisticated, yet I showed that it's just a handful of basic bitch chords.
If it's so basic then you should be able to analyse it in just a few seconds.

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Am I the only one that enjoys Industrial and Punk's "aggressiveness" more than Metal?
I don't know if I'm explaining it well, but when I want something angry I tend to go to those more than Metal.
I actually put some Doom Metal when I want to relax, for example.

>>73083233>>73083241
>don't see being able to cater to a diverse group of people rather than a very specific niche of middle class white people as an example of music over aesthetic
Wow...I think you guys might actually be mentally retarded. Like get special ed or something.

>>73083259
See, actual evidence from this very thread proves you wrong at every corner.

>the fact you keep replying
A lot more replying to me than the other way around. I think that would make me the bait master here.

>the only good genre is Metal
>mentions of me bringing up art music, experimental electronic (Stockhausen), and some jazz as also good genres of music
Please, continue to show you have no clue what you're talking about. Pretentious indie faggot.

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>>73082545
Bruh /co/ has already moved on to two more FOTMs after Teodora.
Demencia is the hot new waifu.

ITT: people who turned "agnostic" because they were afraid of the fedora meme.

>>73083316
I did. It's just so basic that it doesn't even warrant a full on analysis like you asked. Again, listen to better music, then you'll get more interesting analysis.

>>73083346
That's because industrial and punk's aggressiveness is not on as crazy a level as metal's, and thus much easier for a pleb to grasp their head around.

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>>73083349
>Pretentious indie faggot.
I like metal.
And Coldplay.
Faggot.
All I was saying is that you keep coming off as an annoying bitch, regardless of being right or wrong, and it's the only reason people keep replying to you.

>>73083346
Metal is too self-conscious and serious to be any useful for aggressiveness. There's zero spontaneity there.

>>73083367
So Cartoon Network moved from tumblr to deviantart

>>73083289
Also of noise rock that I've heard is vastly heavier and more visceral than the metal that I've heard, would you really call Yngwie malmsteen heavier than Big Black? Most metal is while loud and distorted, painfully dull in its themes and execution, never living up to its potential, never artistically capturing the raw visceral aesthetic like the best noise rock. Besides, when metal actually DOES stop being it's usual dull self and actually try at being intense beyond le loud fast and distorted, it's usually the result of heavy mixture with noise rock aesthetics. The best metal couldn't be more visceral than the best noise rock of it tried, without going itself into the territory of noise rock

>>73083392
>metal is too serious
lmfao
You diss metal pretty much the same way I diss rap. Without actually listening to it.

>>73083384
>I did.
Post it here then?

>>73083349
>rather than a very specific niche of middle class white people as an example of music over aesthetic
Not an argument dude

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>>73083390
>stop defending your music taste and just follow /mu/
What a little bitch. Not even him btw.

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>>73083122
Post me in the screencap

>>73083428
Not follow /mu/
Ignore /mu/.
A much better solution.

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>>73083428
defending your music taste so aggressively = being an autistic faggot

>>73083346
There is a theatrical component to some metal that removes any semblance of aggression

>>73082858
lmao could you be any less secure

this whole thread makes me want to fucking kill myself

>>73083390
>All I was saying is that you keep coming off as an annoying bitch, regardless of being right or wrong, and it's the only reason people keep replying to you.
And yet people still respond to someone they shouldn't logically be responding to. They'll claim bait, yet they know it's their insecurity just like you posted because of your own insecurity hidden behind pretentiousness.

>>73083392
>electric wizard's weed themed everything
>death metal's b-movie horror cliches
>power metal's wizards and dragons
>self-conscious and serious

>>73083408
Yngwie's not metal you dumbfuck, and Big Black is a terrible example, too with how slow they are. Themes? Aesthetic? Again, you care about everything but the music. No mention of how repetitive noise rock is while metal is far more progressive on a per track basis, how much more versatile metal is on an aesthetic basis ANYWAY even if its not important. Maybe you need to get your ears checked if you can't into progression of riffs.

>>73083416
I did post it. You just sperged because it was simple.

>>73083427
It's fact. Indie/noise rock bands have not and will never play to large international crowds that aren't western yuro whiteys.

>>73083511
Triggered nu-male or triggered edgy kid?

>>73083521
>I did post it.
No you didn't.
You do know what a Roman numeral analysis is, right?

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>>73083521
>>electric wizard's weed themed everything
>>death metal's b-movie horror cliches
>>power metal's wizards and dragons

>those descriptions
how embarrassing, that's the genre that's supposed to rival Beethoven lmao

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>>73083521
>Themes? Aesthetic? durrr that's not important to music
>implying the slower the music the less visceral it is
>muh progression of riffs (plays one riff after the other)
It can't get better than this

>>73083545
You do know what it being pointless is when it's off-key basic bitch chromatic chords means, right? Not a surprise that you only pretend to know what you're talking about yet have no clue how it actually works. Very akin to noise rockers blaring their shitty guitars.

>>73083570
Yeah, and it does musically. Non-musical aspects like themes, aesthetics, etc. are there as a product of how popular music exists today. If you take these with any level of seriousness, you're a definition of a poser when it comes to listening to music since it's literally the image you give importance to.

>>73083623
You do know what aesthetic means, right?

>>73083601
>Themes? Aesthetic? durrr that's not important to music
>non-musical things are so important to the medium or art called music

>implying the slower the music the less visceral it is
Big Black doesn't have a heavy enough sound to be all doomy and visceral. They have a crunchier sound that would benefit from faster playing.

>muh progression of riffs (plays one riff after the other)
>having diversity, organic feel and movement in music is bad
Yeah it can, I think you're the most embarrassing one ITT so far.

>>73082562
>>73082562
FUCK YOU MAN, FUCK YOUR MOTHER MAN DUN DUN DA DA DO DO THAT WAS ME DROWNING YOU OUT YOU PIECE OF SHIT INDIE FANS DONT HAVE THIN SKIN YOU PIECE OF FUCKING TRASH SHIT I HOPE YOU GET RAPED

>>73083623
>You do know what it being pointless is when it's off-key basic bitch chromatic chords means, right?
No, I don't. If it's so basic then it shouldn't be an issue to just post your analysis here. It just sounds like you're avoiding the question.

>>73083664
I MEANT TO SAY METAL NOT INDIE

>>73083658
>plays one loud distorted riff after the other
>diversity and organic feel
Are you even trying?

>>73083695
HOW DO I LIKE MY OWN POSTS

>>73083664
>>73083695
L M A O

>>73083654
No shit, idiot.

>>73083675
Then don't try to discuss with me. You obviously just googled this in an attempt to be sophisticated. Go actually learn how theory works.

>>73083700
A metal track can have between 5-9 riffs all consisting of a variety of notes. A noise rock track usually has one riff (if there's even a riff since it's usually a lot of chord strumming) which usually only goes back and forth between a couple notes. Noise rock is much more limited.

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>>73083792
>Go actually learn how theory works.
I'm not the one repeatedly failing to post a Roman numeral analysis of a supposedly "basic" song.

whatabout noise punk?

>>73082293
Refused - The Shape of Punk to Come
Big Black - Songs about Fucking

That was easy

>>73082714
This probably comes down to personal taste and familiarity with the genres, but I think there are plenty of great metal albums at the same level of quality as Daydream Nation. Even though most metalheads hate Deafheaven, Sunbather is one of them. Sleep's Dopesmoker would also be good to check out, Krallice has been doing really awesome things lately. Maybe not quite Daydream Nation level, but they could very well be headed there.

>>73082623
Intensity is an extremely arbitrary, dumb way to rate music. It might be something you like, but it's not like the more intense a song is, the better it is. You say in >>73082725 that it's a quality of music, and you're right, it is, but it's not like it's the only one. Tranquility is just as musical as intensity, along with repetition, the exact opposite of intricacy. Music doesn't need to be intricate or cerebral to be good, just look at shoegaze. It's every bit as loud and intense as metal can be while utilizing a completely different tone. Calling noise rock inferior to metal shows that you fundamentally misunderstand music, because they aren't in competition with each other. Noise rock is a deconstruction of rock music, while metal is building off of it. They might both be loud and hard to listen to for some people, but they're aiming to do completely different things. Ambient and drone are bad comparisons as well because they aren't based in rock at all and inherently can't achieve what noise rock can by virtue of where they came from.

>>73082813
Your obsession with saying metal is better ARTIST/GENRE is like saying that an A chord is better than a B chord. Metal can't achieve what post-punk can, and post-punk can't achieve what metal can. They aren't in competition with each other.
>>73083031
Imagine telling someone you listen to anything but owls

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oh cool, it's another "metalfags sperg out about muh visceral intensity" episode

funny how noise rock is always the catalyst for this sort of insecure behavior, wonder why.

anyway as a person who likes both genres, y'all are niggers.

M U H I N T E N S I T Y

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>>73083873
I like this guy. I like you, guy. Well put.

>>73083873
You make meme threads less fun

>>73082039
what show is this cartoon girl from

>>73082293
I hate noise rock and you're a fucking pleb if you actually believe that those two albums are worthy of representing all of metal in this asinine competition you've created

>>73083822
I'm not the one asking for a roman numeral analysis of strictly chromatic unstructured music.

>>73083873
>Tranquility is just as musical as intensity
It is, as best exemplified in western art music and some ambient music. Not indie rock or noise rock.

>repetition
Yeah, in minimalism and totalism. Not indie rock and noise rock.

>It's every bit as loud and intense as metal
Hahahahah no it isn't it's like a watered down ambient/drone in terms of being more laidback in atmosphere than something that's more driven.

>because they aren't in competition with each other
Never said they were. Metal's better at visceral intensity than noise rock is at either being intense or at having intricate textures.

>Noise rock is a deconstruction of rock music
By introducing watered down elements of other genres of music like minimalism.

>Ambient and drone are bad comparisons as well because they aren't based in rock at all and inherently can't achieve what noise rock can by virtue of where they came from
But they can achieve better than genres like shoegaze and noise rock exploration of textures because they can explore that realm of music without the limitations of shoegaze/indie/noise rock.

>Metal can't achieve what post-punk can, and post-punk can't achieve what metal can. They aren't in competition with each other.
Metal can achieve what it does better than post-punk can achieve what it does. Metal is the best at what it does. Post-punk isn't.

>>73084027
Go back to r9k beta ass frog poster.

>>73082224
You're incorrect. Nearly all music produced after 1965 is much, much better than Beethoven, and therefore most metal surpasses Beethoven. You don't even have to write a symphony or have it be as complex as Beethoven (who isn't even that complex compared to the most complex popular music since WWII). Beethoven was great for his time, which was 193 years ago. He sucks compared to the best music produced now. If somebody replicated a Beethoven-styled symphony today, they would deserve 0/10.

>>73084161
>strictly chromatic unstructured music
I thought it was just "basic bitch C and D chords"? Backpedalling much?

>>73084161
You just made a bunch of assertions with nothing to back them up.

Metal also can't do what post-punk can, plain and simple. Metal cannot recreate Unknown Pleasures or Remain in Light because it's too intense and can't capture the subtleties of either record, and you're blindly ignorant if you think otherwise.

>>73082811
There is good metal and bad metal. For instance, Encenathrakh is one of the best pieces of music ever recorded by humans.
>>73082813
This post is so dumb that I think you're false flagging to make metal fans look retarded. The songs in Modern Dance have multiple complicated sections with innumerable musical references to other musical movements, including jazz, classical, and avant-garde.

>>73084161
>It is, as best exemplified in western art music and some ambient music. Not indie rock or noise rock.
>Yeah, in minimalism and totalism. Not indie rock and noise rock.
But now you're just deflecting. If you're arguing that indie rock and noise rock don't do these things as WELL as those genres you mentioned then that's a matter of opinion, not fact. And it's a fact that noise rock and indie rock do sometimes use these, as in most music, not just the genres you cherrypicked. That's a really fucking stupid way to look at music.
>Metal's better at visceral intensity than noise rock is at either being intense or at having intricate textures.
oh boy another opinion
>By introducing watered down elements of other genres of music like minimalism.
you're failing here because you think you can put music into neat little boxes and connect them to each other. minimalism the genre and minimalism the compositional technique are not synonymous.
>Metal can achieve what it does better than post-punk can achieve what it does. Metal is the best at what it does. Post-punk isn't.
This sentence doesn't mean anything.

>>73084209
Being chromatic in nature doesn't equate to not being basic bitch. I literally said in my first response to you asking for an analysis that it's those chords with HALF step movements (implying chromaticism). Like I said, do your research and know your shit, pleb.

>>73084249
A lot of progressive metal and even gothic/doom metal have subtlety in them. The intensity isn't always cranked up to the max in metal. Any Tool album proves this.

>>73082813
>like why the fuck listen to Pere Ubu when you can just listen to metal and a guy like Stockhausen?
because i'm not 14 or an avant-teen. but seriously though, you have your head so far up your ass. leave it to metal fans to be close-minded mouthbreathing retards.

>>73084266
>I literally said in my first response to you asking for an analysis that it's those chords with HALF step movements (implying chromaticism).
Which is already
1. Extremely vague
2. Inaccurate
3. Not a Roman numeral analysis, which is what I asked for

>>73082813
>Both records entail very basic riffs
>MUH RIFFS
know how I know you're 12?
>>73084161
>he thinks namedropping completely unrelated classical music movements make him sound smart enough to convince people he knows what he's talking about
that's cute :^)

>>73084301
It looks like bait to make metal fans look dumb. Maybe they are dumb and I should just avoid the fanbase of metal whenever I want to discuss it. It's too bad because I think that metal is fine and I really like a lot of metal albums.

>>73084293
I didn't say they had no subtlety, I said they can't recreate them because metal as a rule has too much intensity. Changing the atmosphere of Disorder by shoehorning more intensity into it would completely ruin the song since it's not about anger but ambivalent isolation

metal=punk>anything else

>>73084350
>It looks like bait to make metal fans look dumb
I'd love to believe this but something tells me he's being serious, and I've encountered a lot of metalfags on here that argue the same exact way. Unfair to put all metal fans in that box I suppose and I do like metal as well but the metal posters on here are just the absolute worst. Of course it doesn't help that many of them are underage as the genre tends to appeal mostly to teenagers.

>>73082039
ITT: fags who think metal is metallica, cannibal corpse, and iron maiden
Link related unironically obliterates every single album in the history of Noise and Punk in terms of intensity, complexity, and sheer abrassiveness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9u-B6-EFWA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

>>73084249
>Metal also can't do what post-punk can
I never said it could. Like at this point I feel bad laughing at the stupidity of you guys.

>>73084251
>muh so many influences
Yet doesn't do any of them justice. Having a little bit of beep boop sounds doesn't compare to Stockhausen. Having some horns doesn't equate to what jazz style progressions. None of these help boost the punkness of the album, and it's pop music structure limits the potential of complexity that's possible with those jazz/classical/avant garde influences.

>then that's a matter of opinion, not fact
But it is fact. Noise rock and indie rock have limitations that makes them objectively more restrictive at exploring these ideas.

>oh boy another opinion
Look above.

>you're failing here because you think you can put music into neat little boxes and connect them to each other. minimalism the genre and minimalism the compositional technique are not synonymous.
Minimalism is a lot more than just your Steve Reichs and Lamonte Youngs, but noise rock style stuff is baby stuff comparatively.

>This sentence doesn't mean anything.
Post-punk, depending on band, tries to be good at a number of different things (groovy tracks, depressing atmosphere, experimental sounding stuff, etc.) but it sucks at doing all of those compared to better genres of music.

>>73084301
Me close minded? I am sorry I step outside the popular music zone to get my share of experimental music instead of listening to its watered down pop version in bands like Faust and Pere Ubu.

>>73084318
Not vague if you know what I am talking about. Not inaccurate either. Why not you do it then? The burden of proof's on you to represent noise rock.

>>73084338
I know you're 12 because you can only talk shit and use MUH memes.

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>>73084365
>MUH INTENSITY
>MUH ANGER
>MUH AMBIVALENT ISOLATION
>>73084433
>ITT: fags who think metal is metallica, cannibal corpse, and iron maiden
>implying
>implying this hard
look retard we all know what black metal, grindcore, industrial metal, sludge, etc. are, get your head out of your ass
>>73084445
>Me close minded? I am sorry I step outside the popular music zone to get my share of experimental music instead of listening to its watered down pop version in bands like Faust and Pere Ubu.
I just know you're wearing a fedora right now. You're completely retarded if you think that metal is even remotely distant from popular music. It's based in rock music. It uses the band format of rock music. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway, I gotta go. Unlike you losers I have a life.

Here's the TL;DR of truth:

If you listen to music that's not art music, jazz, metal, electronic, and folk music, you listen to objectively inferior music that those above genres/supergenres do a much better job at doing.

>>73084433
Intensity, complexity, and sheer abrasiveness are not inherently good things. If Meshuggah were just those three things without good songwriting to back it up, they'd be a terrible band.

>>73084445
You very literally did say that it could

>(like why the fuck listen to Pere Ubu when you can just listen to metal and a guy like Stockhausen?)

>>73084487
Last one for me. Of course metal stays in the realm of popular music. The whole point of metal is to optimize the hooks and energy of popular music. It's not trying to be artsy farsty.

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>>73084495
he has homework to do, wouldn't want to get held back in the 9th grade again. you dropped this btw.

>>73084495
>I got BTFO so I have to go

>unlike you losers
HOW EMBARRASSING

>>73084514
but you explicitly called it experimental you fucking degenerate stop backpedalling
>>73084495
>w-well fuck u guys i have a l-life... fucking losers ...guess i'll go listen to black metal in my bed and masturbate to the intensity while i ponder my ambivalent isolation...
yikes

>>73084508
Niggah muhchuggah is the worst band on the planet. They're literally pantera with lmao weird time signatures dude.

>>73082039

What do people genuinely enjoy about noise rock?

Entertaining as fuck thread, well done everyone

>>73082562
Well as a metal huge fan myself I can respect the preferences of others I just dont think its thin skin. Metal is a genre that is trashed on my many peers in school and frowned upon in mainstream society. It's only natural for a person of that fanbase to defend it. Especially since, im sure they've been ridiculed for listening to it countless times before. Albeit, their points aren't always the strongest but they're still fighting nonetheless.

>>73084608
Pantera sounds like Meshuggah about as much as they sound like Tool

>>73084622
it's basically indie rock (to varying degrees) plus noise. i tend to skew more towards the Big Black kind of noise rock and idk, i listen to it in the same way i listen to punk or metal. the energy is infectious, makes me want to move.
>>73084638
>Metal is a genre that is trashed on my many peers in school and frowned upon in mainstream society.
8th grade sure is hard isn't it

>>73084445
>Not vague if you know what I am talking about.
You used pretty simplistic musical terminology that failed to actually describe the song. Extremely vague.
>Not inaccurate either.
It's almost so vague that I can't point out the inaccuracies. I'm guessing you skipped the intro since the only D chord there is if you interpret the Bbmaj9 as a Dm7(b6) pivoting into the key of A minor. I'm guessing you skipped the verse too since there's no C chord there. So basically you only described the chorus, and did a pretty poor job of it.
>Why not you do it then? The burden of proof's on you to represent noise rock.
You said Daydream Nation had "very basic riffs" so the burden is on you to back up that claim.

>>73083873

DUDE NIHILISM LMAO

>>73084564
>listen to black metal in my bed and masturbate to the intensity while i ponder my ambivalent isolation

now this nigga right here
he knows the meaning frostbitten to the bone

Noise rock is the most tryhard genre ever conceived

>>73084757
>not metal

>>73084757
How so? Bonus points if you refrain from saying "well bcuz its just noise" because then I can reasonably determine that you just aren't a fan of the liberal use of dissonance and distortion, which is subjective and you're speaking objectively.

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>>73084495
>classical is inferior to metal
Eat shit and die piece of jewshit

>>73084933
>art music

>>73084933
I think that's what he meant by "art music".

>>73084685
Lmao you betcha

What genre would you consider this song and what some other songs like it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBotY_n27VA

>>73084907

The lyrics are almost always some half-baked stab at politics or cringy nihilism. As for the music itself, I find almost every noise rock song completely predictable in terms of structure.

It doesn't have any depth. Most of it just sounds like normal rock songs with all of the melody taken away.

>>73084997
>The lyrics are almost always some half-baked stab at politics or cringy nihilism
Fair enough, but you could essentially say this about any subgenre of punk or metal. Personally, I listen to genres like punk or metal or noise rock for the energy and the momentum, because it's generally made by young people who create incredibly passionate music.
>As for the music itself, I find almost every noise rock song completely predictable in terms of structure.
Also fair, but this is sort of implied in the name. It's rock. It (mostly) retains rock song structures and instrumentation. Not exactly false advertising.
>It doesn't have any depth
I could argue against this but really it's up to you to make that case. As I said, most of this music was/is made by extremely passionate young people, so yes, maybe the lyrics are incredibly juvenile and shallow platitudes but that's honest, and reflective of the people that made it as they were at that time.

Classical music is like the older brother metalfags hide behind so they can avoid admitting they like shit music. Metal is no closer to classical than any other genre of popular music and most serious classical listeners don't waste their time with it but for some reason if you call metal shit you'll get a bunch of tasteless kids comparing fucking Metallica to Beethoven or something despite not actually being interested in or knowledgeable about classical at all.

>>73085281

>letting shitty fans ruin music for you

>>73082813
Lemmy said that he always felt more like a punk rocker than a metal one, faggot

>>73085675

stay delusional

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I can't be bothered to read the whole thread.
Give me the quick rundown.

>>73085753
The TL;DR is right here>>73084495

>>73085767
avant-teens btfo

>>73083407
Ain't it funny how it happens

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>>73082224
Mozart probably would play metal, not even trying to troll here. The only reason he played classical is because piano and shit was all the musical instruments they had back then. It was either piano if you were a solo artist or an entire orchestra if you wanted to play in a band.

once mozart got hold of a true electric guitar he would probably compose some kick ass metal shreds and form a metal band unlike any you ever seen. I would describe his sound as somehwhere as a mix between metallica, pantera, and slayer, definitely some heavy stuff but I feel like he would go a different route and as his music evolves you would hear more lead badass solos and less rhythmic heavy riffs.

His later works would probably be almost entirely shredding solos played underneath screaming vocals that would go together like bread and wine. It would be beautiful masterpieces I wouldn't even be able to describe, but imagine the most eligant and beatiful guitar tone imaginable shredding so fast he goes through every scale ever invented, and then goes beyond that into scales that haven't even been thought of yet that require a 15 string guitar to even play.

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This is my favorite thread

>>73085888
>the absolute state of nu-male sarcasm
Pathetic tee bee aych.

>>73085888
trips is correct

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>>73085888
>>73085925

I cannot truly express how much I believe that extreme metal music is the true core of the working class white male. The sublime combination of the objective techicality and subjective force (ferocity). We working class whites are a still untapped source of potential, inferiority of place combined with ample genetic potential creates art that is both fascinating and baffling to the more economically priviliged. This should not concern us, however, what should be the focus is the audience and their feelings. Critics never truly understand the feelings of those from humbler backgrounds, our angst is real and our feelings regarding injustice are authentic.

Ultimately, rap/hip hop music is utilised by the white american working class as a method of expression, but it is too primitve, there is sufficient ferocity and a sense of injustice, but little imagination and technicality to justify that sense. Even the most experimental of hip hop utilises simplistic beats as the foundation of fairly conceptually weak lyrics. Very rarely does hip hop forget its origins as a form concerned with sex and drugs.

Extreme metal is both technical and raw, a rare combination that is no longer served by rock music (now the music of the middle classes). Extreme metal, especially from Europe, deals with disconnection and historical displacement. It is the authentic mode of expression for young white men and it should be the future of music. Unsurpisingly, I believe Black Metal to be the purest form of metal, I do not ascribe to the notion of kvlt or unkvlt black metal as I would probably be considered unkvlt myself. I support any black metal that recognises its importance and is environmentally concsious (in a racial sense). All other forms of exteme metal are less subtle or too inorganic, but ultimately acceptable.

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>>73085952
>>73085888
It's like they're allergic to trying to write something bad. Every riff they write needs to be as Texas and thrashed as can be with no regard to being pussies or faggots. Off the bat this isn't just another Texas thrash album album in name
only, it has the riffs, it has the thrash, and it has the everything is bigger in Texas fuck you attitude, but everything is made so heavy and brutal, topped off with such emotional solos and two ton riffs, it wants to be heavy but is so much more powerful and Texas than anything in the scene. There's no fagginess here, it's like some gods of Texas tried their hands at making the thrashiest metal
album, they thrashed for more than what was necessary to be heavy and then filled it with getcha pull for that Texas edge. Riffs vary between being heavy and thrashy slabs of Texas to being heavier, but still thrashy, slabs of Texas you've never heard before, everything wrapped up in a getcha pull production where bass is audible and
demands RE SPECT. Songs are heavy, thrashy, and getcha pull without any bit of slowing down. Riff (and I use that term quite strongly here) leading into Texas slamming riff leading into soulful solo leading into heavy riff comprises the song writing ideas here, with some occasional extra doses of Texas thrown in to make this album scare the fags away. It's a Texas thrashing experience, while heavier than a black hole and thrashier than Slayer being played in a tornado, it has no equal. Completely Texas styled thrashing with not one wimpy moment in its duration.

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The metalfag won the argument

>>73085952
>>73085979
>>73085888

*slow claps*
*steps out of the shadows*
Heh... not bad, kid. Not bad at all. Your meme, I mean. It's not bad. A good first attempt. It's plenty dank... I can tell it's got some thought
behind it... lots of quotable material...
But memeing isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kid. You're skilled... that much I can tell. But do you have what it takes to be a Memester? To join
those esteemed meme ranks? To call yourself a member of the Ruseman's Corps? Memeing takes talent, that much is true. But more than that it takes
heart. The world-class Memesters - I mean the big guys, like Anthony Fantano and Filthy Frank - they're out there day and night, burning the
midnight meme-oil, working tirelessly to craft that next big meme.
And you know what, kid? 99 times out of a hundred, that new meme fails. Someone dismisses it as bait, or says it's "tryhard," or ignores it as
they copy/paste the latest shitpost copypasta dreamt up by those sorry excuses for cut-rate memers over at reddit. The Meme Game is rough, kid, and
I don't just mean the one you just lost :^). It's a rough business, and for every artisan meme you craft in your meme bakery, some cocksucker at
9gag has a picture of a duck or some shit that a million different Johnny No-Names will attach a milion different captions to. Chin up, kid. Don't
get all mopey on me. You've got skill. You've got talent. You just need to show your drive.
See you on the chans...

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That one metalfag replying to every single retard laughing at him held up surprisingly well, good job

There is literally no reason to not like both genres though, they have very similar appeals

>>73085997
Stop samefagging

>metal guy made this topic entertaining
>he left, leaving just noise rock guys who are posting boring unoriginal shit
Very...fitting of what both genres entail.

Would you guys listen to a anti-Drumpf queercore/rap metal hybrid group? Me and a couple friends are planning on forming a new band to stick it to fascism and be the next DK but we wanna mix it up with some more "modern" music styles to reflect the true punks in America today (the queer and PoC).

>tfw this thread got me into metal

>>73086020
I like both, but the metalfag getting angrier was so entertaining

These threads are always hilarious

If Mozart was alive today he'd probably still compose pieces for symphonies, I don't get why metal fags think he would play metal
If he were to write and compose music for any contemporary genre it would be some electronic stuff like IDM where you can exert full control over the music

Why do metalheads like to anchor themselves to older Classical? Why is it always Beethoven and Mozart and not someone more contemporary?

>>73085952
HOLY FUCKInG KeKK

>>73086224
I am guessing because classical era of art music feels the closest to metal since the way arrangements/harmonization was done in that time period kinda felt like riffs in of themselves. These giant arrangements playing the exact same thing in unison (or at least the notes of a particular chord) gives it western art music's equivalent of heaviness.

Comparatively, Baroque and Romantic era were far more melodically complex. Contemporary art music went in a totally different direction (that isn't to say there aren't bands like Demilich who implemented serialism) with concepts like minimalism, all the crazy weird electronic stuff, xenharmonicism, stochastic music, etc. that are all nothing like metal at all.

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>all the metalheads ITT

this is a good thread

>>73082251
thanks for putting anime on the pic so i dont even have to read your retarded shit

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>>73082224
>when you write a symphony to rival beethoven but you obscure it ironically behind epic riffs and sick vocals

>>73082293
>better than ride the lightning or master of puppets
the clash- london calling
fugazi the argument
wipers- is this real
Flipper -flipper
sonic youth - daydream nation
butthole surfers - locust abortion technician
i could go on but why should i

>>73084136
>I hate noise rock
how could you hate an entire genre of music

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>>73085952
>>73085979
i love this new copypasta already

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>>73082725
>Metal ensures heaviness, speed, and a constant driven progression to ensure that it maximizes intensity in ways other genres don't do.
i advise you to listen to this: krause 2am thoughts

>>73087105
well unlike some genre descriptors which are fairly useless (krautrock, post-anything) "noise rock" is highly specific. If you don't enjoy noise within a rock context, you probably won't enjoy noise rock.

>>73082996
>"noise rock"
i have and i just tell em its rock music with more feedback and static incorporated. Usually they're intrigued so i show them a watered down version like nirvana radio shifter or big blacks el dopa

>>73087244
how is L Dopa watered down at all? or any Big Black for that matter? Big black is extremely noisy

>>73083408
the heavier noise rock goes the more it becomes sludge metal

>>73084433
nice album and double that because its free on their bandcamp
https://abyssal-home.bandcamp.com/album/novit-enim-dominus-qui-sunt-eius

>>73084622
>What do people genuinely enjoy about noise rock?
its rock music but more energetic and more textured, its nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jUs45f5p50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDzNx6tXsVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvM9xJjgHgI&t=327s

>>73085727
direct quote
>We sounded like punk but looked like metal. I always felt we were more punk than metal anyway. I call it rock 'n' roll, but if I had to go down one side or the other I'd say we have more in common with punk than we have in common with heavy metal. We came out at the same time as the punks.

>>73084433
>Link related unironically obliterates every single album in the history of Noise and Punk in terms of intensity, complexity, and sheer abrassiveness

Then why is it so boring? not even meming, it just blends together and doesnt achieve intensity and it's not the most abrasive things i've ever heard

>>73087260
>how is L Dopa watered down at all? or any Big Black for that matter?
L Dopa i always considered a laymans song to introduce others, it reminds me of motorhead with its infectious riff. Just the song is a nice entry level gateway to noisier stuff

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>>73082224

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>>73082224

add me in the screencap plz

>200+ post thread with mlp pic
wheres barneyfag when you need him?

>>73088190
>mlp pic
nigger u dumb

>>73088169
you fricking have to fricking go back you fricker
>>73088190
>

>>73088190
>>73088212
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5038900/

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>>73082224
fucking metal rock holy kek

>>73087793
>We came out at the same time as the punks

like that matters? His music is metal, whether he thought so or not

>>73087194
>not realizing these ARE copypastas

>>73082039

The best noise rock is made by mathcore musicians though.