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jiho..
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twaisu jang
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>>73031650
maybe you need to get a life now
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>>73031634
Seulgi is so beautiful
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>>73031669
thats babysoul
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>>73031620
now that's a rare dubu
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>>73031669
stop this or else
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>>73031666
cry more faggot your group is shit
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really really really
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>best visual
>best singer
>best leader

how can one woman be so perfect
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>>73031712
thought this post was about taeyeon
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>>73031712
the colored lenses kill her look, they kill all the girls look in the mv, its a shame because besides that the mv is real good
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sleugo actually isn't very good looking at all tho
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>>73031712
Thank the carbs
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>>73031712
>best visual
>best leader
um no sorry sweetie not while twiceboy is in the band
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why cant winner sing? i thought yg was all about talent lol
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LET ME SEE
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dat hip to waist ratio
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why cant twice sing? i thought JYP was all about talent lol
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>>73031712
But she has broken knees. I do like her though
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>>73031734
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>>73031750
nayeon's everything
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Happy birthday Dubu.
Jichoo caught chatting with Nayeon
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>>73031723
>tfw you love colored lenses
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>>73031760
meant to quote
>>73031752
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>>73031755
>defending gaypop by shitting on a girl group
lol i bet you feel real cool, but you just came out the closet
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>>73031740
Twicelady has grown on me a lot this comeback, and is the second best vocalist in Twice, but she's still not near Jihyo's level
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DnXcQTbRQg
is he still a gaypop?
was winner considered gaypop?
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KOREAN
POO
ON
PEE PEE
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twice just btfo psy but no one is saying anything

that shook? cmon where the haters at
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>>73031771
>defending twice by shitting on other groups
lol i bet you feel real cool, but you just like following the most popular group
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>>73031791
Twice memepower > PSY memepower
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>>73031793
twice wasnt even being discussed. i posted a simple observation from watching the winner stage

sorry, not the winners stage, but WINNER, the group that lost, their stage. get what im saying?
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Someone give the gaypopper his autist medicine
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>>73031791
Twice still can't sing

that shook? cmon where the twicebabies at
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>>73031785
I'm sure it sounded funny in your retarded head
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>>73031791
no one watched that fag filled show and no one cares about wins anyway
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>>73031791
>wanting another thread of shit flinging
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>>73031824
sorry i cant hear you over the sound of all of these trophies piling up

come again?
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why does there need to be 4 kpop generals on 4 different boards?
>>>/trash/
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>>73031820
Can they just kick Joy out already holy shit.
>sup faggots just here for my paycheck keep up the good work so I can get commission :)
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>>73031819
>twice wasnt even being discussed
lol
>>73031755
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>>73031839
that one is for erping
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#SeeYouSoonWINNER
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qJEoSa3Ie0

this is soty right?
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>>73031820
someone administer the cure
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>>73031850
sure got me.
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>twice beats psy
>kpg is barren
cowards lol
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>>73031898
psy didnt even show up
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>>73031898
>psy
>in 2012+5

lol
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>>73031905
you don't have to show up to win, you're thinking of the show, thats on monday
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twice needs shows this big
https://youtube.com/watch?v=l3aobepUjF0
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>See ya in class, anon
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>>73031898
we're all still having a laugh about the time the ugly nugus beat them
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>>73031898
>onces latching on to beating an absent psy on a show to redeem the flop that was signal
lmao
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>robbing an empty house
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>>73031971
>flop that was signal
>signal beats psy, the biggest korean celebrity who ever lived
>flop that was signal
lmao you should re-read your posts before submitting
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as long as we agree that mtv the show doesn't count for a win
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>>73031929
>huh... she's been absent from class a lot... wonder what she's up to
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speaking of which...
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>>73031996
>FLOP
>FLOP
>FLOP
lmao, i've never seen a flop like this before
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>>73031996
F L O P
L
O
P
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>>73031991
there are only 4 shows that count:
m countdown, mu bank, mu core, inkigayo
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>>73031996
>#2
damn...
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>>73032011
why would m countdown count? mnet isn't a major broadcast station
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renember when
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did signal outsold their previous sales
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>>73032017
you should have grabbed some that said psy would beat twice, i definitely remember seeing them

sucks being wrong but i guess they gotta live with that shame
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>>73031996
>#2
nation's girl group...
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>r/kpop with 80k users 2 months ago
>reached 100k 2 weeks ago
>now at 130k

Now I do feel we're going to get new blood in here, considering it's a bit gay over there.
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>>73032023
The album beat twice coaster
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It's kinda sad that Twice had lost to ugly nugus before...
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>>73032015
its still big and not some nugu fest
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>>73032015
mnet counts because of a variety of reasons
>they have the biggest meme shows like p101
>they have 4K fancams
>they do the best fun segments
>little to no system abuse
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>>73032023
yes but gaypops are still way outselling twice
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>>73032015
groups almost always have the first stage of a comeback there and in general it's well attended. it's a tier above the tuesday and wednesday shows for sure
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>>73032066
before or after day one
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>>73031989
i love how onces pretend a show win is a success for them at this point, psy isn't even the biggest artist anymore
put them in a coffin and ship them off to japan already
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anyone want me to post taeyeon?
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>>73032113
yes please
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>>73032113
yes please
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>>73032113
nope
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>>73032121
>>73032125
alright then
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>Twice didn't even outsold their most successful albums
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ya where's twice
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i love her
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we would all meme about twice and shit on them but when it came to battling gaypops they were literally our girls. what happened to that bond kpg? unless theres just a whole bunch of newshits around, youve changed...
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>>73032147
me too
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>>73032143
>beaten by nugus CF
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>>73032143
they're too busy putting out bangers and being the top girl group to do cfs
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have anyones ever notice a twice anti are in all ways an esl
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>>73032152
>twice battles gaypops and wins
>gayshitters shitting on twice

makes me think
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>>73032152
This is just the same as when SNSD was the top girl group. They had their own general on /hr/ because of the rift.
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>>73032113
i always want to see taeyeon
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>battling gaypops

a human bean typed this out in seriousness
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>>73032157
i'd give my life for her
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>>73032170
>have anyones ever notice a twice anti are in all ways an esl
Nice ESL
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>>73032152
I like twice and gaypop.
I also dont care about sales or wins.
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When someone is shitting on their favorite group by referencing charts, wins, or sales
>pfff, why do you even go by that metric? I just like the group, ok?
>chartshitters gtfo

When they want to shit on Twice
>UHHHHH, excuse me. Where is Twice on this list of most used models in ads for the month of February?


This place is exhausting sometimes
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>>73032185
you just got memed
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>>73032175
snsd were always our girls tho, the hr thread is just because they're strong enough to have their own and people like to post big images
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>>73032200
Speak for yourself
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>>73032202
Carrots?
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talk about a drop in quality

from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAicySTsvLo

to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_XUeAILX-U
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>>73032138
freaking cute
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>>73032200
word
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>>73032200
>snsd were always our girls tho

Soshitter leave
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>>73032208
but its a better song so its ok
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>>73032198
Twice is a meme
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>>73032205
i'm saying there was never a rift from kpg
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>>73032200
I can't call them my girls after 9/30.
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>>73032208
i dont understand this meme. they're both good.
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a little dissapointed in thrice tonight. i thought you could do better at handling twice beating psy but you're just completely lazy and taking it like a bitch

watch your mouth next time so you don't get embarrassed
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>>73032143
No whoju? I thought chengxiao would've made it in
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>>73032185
yeah ok mr twice anti stay butt pain
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>>73032208
The 2nd song is better even though I hate the hodown garbage.
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twice is 9 times uglier than Babysoul
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she is transcendental
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>>73032196
this is exactly what twiceshitters are doing now that twice is flopping tho
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>>73032208
when you make it big once based on total blind luck, you aren't likely to replicate it since you stumble ass backwards into it to begin with.
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>>73032240
>yeah ok mr twice anti stay butt pain
ok mr esl twicebaby
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>>73032238
>i thought you could do better at handling twice beating psy
nobody cares about psy here, the only funny part is when onces are trying to force a show win like it means something
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>>73032254
its twibaby you out the loop esl idiot
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>>73032251
it's pointless to argue with babies
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>>73032218
the song is good (not better) but the mv is so cheap, i don't believe how they went from an aesthetc mv to such a cheaply made mv
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>>73032252
nothing happened except getting rid of choaposters which is a good thing
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>>73032268
newshit cant handle the bants
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>>73032268
how miserable do you have to be? why you want to take away these precious show win moments from cute girls is beyond me but you may be fucked in the head just a little bit

find happiness anon, i'm cheering you on
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>>73032285
>posters
>s
so funny
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>>73032272
keep work hard on your damage control
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another let down i had

from quirky color pop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE3z5Wjcw7E

to average purepop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkSv0TkvTRs
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>>73032291
do you mean the onces crying all over the thread about how mean kpg is or?
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why do twiceshitters always try to act hard lmao

they resort to reporting, whine about indirect replies, get destroyed here on a constant basis and listen to korean kidz bop

they're nothing but leeches attached to kpg
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>>73032212
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>>73032251
What are the criteria to establish if a comeback was a flop or not?
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>>73032301
tell em yeri
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>>73032299
>colorpop
thats not a real thing, stop memeing, or at least don't use momoland for your shitty memes you cancerous fuck

leave nancy alone
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>>73032301
They just love doing massive damage control when shit doesn't go their way
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why is this one autist arguing with himself???

post some kpop

https://youtu.be/thpTOAS1Vgg
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>>73032301
Don't drag Yeri into this she and Twicecub are friends
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>be happy twice beat psy
>everyone starts shitting on twice
>give some replies out because i can't leave my girls defenseless
>everyone gets even more mad
why can't you people just be happy for them? they made it when your group couldn't, so obviously they deserve it more
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>>73032297
lol says twice hater aka esl thrice
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>>73032332
>damage control
Thanks for proving my point
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>>73032324
Sana is quite a joy
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>>73032328
yeri would be disgusted being posted by that anon
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>>73032330
>you can't shit on twice but i can shit on other groups
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>>73032328
do you really think yeri would waste time forming such meaningless bonds when her time in this realm is planned to be so short?
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>>73032342
lmao in what ways are there damage control
you are mad because twice win
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>>73032336
Soobin saving the thread
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>>73032152
it's simple

gaypops keep to themselves
twice autists attack everyone

twice fans desire all the shit they get for being insufferable autists
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[LIVE] Happy Dahyun Day http://www.vlive.tv/video/31427
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anyway!
does anyone have a suggestion on where to find kim choo ja's discography? she's freaking cool but there's only a greatest hits on kps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsMRgQ_W9AA
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>>73032373
can you blames onces? they get bullied here 24/7 so i think we owe them something especially when they do something impressive of devastating global star psy with ease
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>>73032383
[LIVE] Happy Dahyun Day http://www.vlive.tv/video/31429
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>>73032383
>This video is not yet published or restricted.
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>>73032383

http://www.vlive.tv/video/31429

fixed your link fampai
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why the fuck gaypop is the scapegoat for everything here
gaypoppers are the most chill posters and have to receive this hostility
what did gaypop do deserve this rage?
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>>73032397
it restarted so the link changed

dubu is so cute
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>>73032336
Probably the most genuine smile in the game
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>>73032405
>gaypoppers are the most chill posters
lol
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>>73032396
Dubu truly is a gift from heaven above.
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>>73032317
Yeojin~
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>>73032404
Based Dahyun.
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>>73032304
It's almost impossible for Twice to flop. They have so much momentum right now and that's not gonna change any time soon.

Actually, I'd bet money that Twice is only gonna get bigger. A lot of the girls that are lacking have improved a ton recently. Tzuyu, Sana and Momo are becoming much better singers. Now that the group doesn't have to rely so much on a few good singers they're gonna take it to another level. Plus acting and shit too. Twice is just getting started. Haters haven't even begun suicide watch yet.
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>>73032362
>denying doing damage control because you are mad Twice won

>>73032330
>>73032172
>>73032170
>>73032027
>>73031996
>>73031989
>>73031898
>>73032390
>totally not damage control
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>>73032405
it's just one guy

he always says "oh, gaypop i'm out" and doesn't go away lmao
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>>73032414
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Dubu, that whoever believes in her shall not perish but have eternal life.

Dubu 3:16
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>>73032421
They still sound as shitty as when they train a JYP
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>>73032405
teenage girls are the furthest thing from chill
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>>73032426
>damage control
for what exactly? twice is the top group in kpop. signal wasn't a flop, they've got a bright future in japan and who knows what comes next

so why in the world would any once feel at all compelled to do "damage control"?
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i love dubu so much
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>>73032447
It is probably just the same guy that was shitting on IU last month after all 10 songs of her album took up the top 10.
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>>73032447
they still didn't outsold their most successful albums
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>>73032330
onces are such little bitches lmao
you can't handle people not caring about their shitty group's win, so you literally call out people to fight about it and then cry when you got btfo as usual
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>>73032440
No they don't. You can't see the truth because you're clouded with jealous rage at their success.

Tzuyu actually has a really nice voice. In a few years she'll still be young and will be a much more confident singer. She's gonna take over. Jeongyeon, Momo and Sana will too. You'll see. These girls are all stars.
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>>73032475
they got worst
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>signal wasn't a flop
kek
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>>73032438
Dubu bless
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>>73032337
under rated song
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Seola tho
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>>73032426
>keeping being a twice anti and calling a damage control where theres none
lmfao why i am not even surprised
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the amount of ESL here is mind bottling
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>>73032390
>literally 70% of all kpg threads from last year were twiceshitters baiting with chartshit and that nayeonfaggot posting paragraphs of reused bait on cooldown while people shittalking twice get reported despite just about every twiceposter breaking like three rules a post

>this year they act like victims
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>>73032475
>These girls are all stars.
shame about the blank personalities
now the group's meme is over they're done individually too
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>>73032491
>bottling
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>>73032494
>no one became a twice fan in 2017
now you're just being silly
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>you will never go to idol-con
>you will never lurk in the stand of your favorite group
>you will never encounter them by mistake
>you will never be so close to them

damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNYWEqRJIGc
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>>73032491
i hate to be the baron of bad news, but most posters in kpg are esl
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the amount of mad in this thread from that one guy
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>>73032421
Yeah I mean maybe if they came out with something really off the wall or bad, but I think even a mediocre song would still carry them forward. I do hope that they practice their singing some more, especially the foreign line.

>>73032483
But what constitutes a flop?
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>>73032475
Tzuyu will still be whispering all the time like Mina. THey aren't going anywhere
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>>73032508
>idolcon
more like nugucon
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>>73032527
hey, it's something at least, if it was someone big you wouldn't get a chance to get close
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>>73032505
yeah, nobody did
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twice are good grillgoups and they is great singers
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>>73032496
>shame about the blank personalities

They're one of the best variety groups, and Sana is possibly the best girl idol on variety shows.
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>>73032505
is this a subtle way of coming out as a 2017 newfriend or
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if a group doesn't sell 200k albums they're called a flop

all my favorite groups are called flops...
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>>73032523
The one that really needs to practice is Dubu. I honestly think she could be a really good singer but she has zero confidence.
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that was a great dubu vlive
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>>73032548
dubu is one best singers
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>>73032491
>Español Segunda Lengua
palabra
jajajaja
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>>73032524
Tzuyu has never done that whispering style. You clearly don't even know what you're talking about.
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>>73032535
LMAO
there's a good reason they're nugus individually despite the group's popularity
for a meme group it's shocking how bad they are on variety, it's especially highlighted when they're side by side with another group and have nothing to say
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didn't Nayeon threw a temper tantrum
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umji a cute
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>>73032573
>gfriend
>>>/wsg/
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>>73032571
what are some examples of girlpops being angry/violent
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>>73032563
It depends on the format. If it's sitting around talking, like Happy Together, the only one that's really good at it is Sana (though I think Momo needs more chances). But on more active shows like Knowing Brothers, Weekly Idol, and Running Man they do very well.
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>>73032563
what twice variety did you watch? or are you just pretending like you know what you're talking about like most thrice do?
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>>73032592
Twice's latest weekly idol
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>>73032548
Probably, seeing her pitch perfect skill and piano playing makes me think that. I noticed her enunciation can be really sharp when rapping but no Twice song has any interesting flows that you would hear out of someone like LE.
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>>73032595
Actually Jeongyeon also does well on talking shows and she should get a shot on Happy Together. She's really underused on variety.
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>>73032579
word this is how it is with lovelyz too
we lovelinuses and onces are kinsmen
lovelyz and twice are best friends too
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>>73032611
as a lovelinus i do not support this
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>>73032579
the only reason anyone is even talking about this shitty flop comeback is because onces literally begged them to earlier itt, lmao
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why is Arin being like this?
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Selugi sleeping over at her coworkers house for the 4th time this week..
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>>73032645
holy airbrush
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>>73032611
didn't Twicebabies had shit on Lovelyz?
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>>73032561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeBbK5JbBR8&t=19s
not that it matters since this is true for literally all groups but anyone outside the vocal line has shy breathy singing no matter how much their intonation improves
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>>73032647
slugcuck is back
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>>73032652
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>>73032645
does arin have double eyelids now too?
wtf
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>>73032653
lovelyz just shit themselves all the time
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>>73032633
beautiful
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>>73032653
one guy
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>twice suck at singing but i've never watched them sing
>twice suck at variety but i dont watch the shows they are on
thrice are so pathetic
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>>73032665
i think its just makeup but i will be very sad if it is
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>>73032543
eunwoo and nayoung carry pristin when it comes to visuals dbh
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>>73032664
How does that new song go again?
>Im 365 nan susugeki
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>>73032699
>nayoung
>visual
what
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>>73032670
taetongue
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>>73032645
you mean being a gorgeous woman?
because she is one now
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>thrice out
>taeyon poster appears
hmmmm
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>y-you guys don't KNOW that twice are untalented!!
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>>73032706
what?
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>twice is good at their sales
>twice is good at their views
>twice is good at their being 1st on their charts
>twice is good
>signal didn't flop
>why are you picking on us
twicebabies are so pathetic
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>>73032706
have you seen her body?
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post dubu choking on that confetti
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>>73032717
i dont post about twice, you can quote any post you think is me
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>>73032699
>eunwoo
>babysoul looking bitch

>nayoung
>plastic as fuck face

they don't count as visuals just admit that Pristin isn't good looking
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>>73032709
should be illegal
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>>73032699
you meant siyeon
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>>73032725
>>73032728
>body
yea but in order to be a visual you need a decent face, nayoungs face is babysoul tier, though you may think thats bait so i guess hyoyeon tier? shit idk man shes just uggo
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>>73032680
this is yesterday's update so i guess it was makeup
i hope she never ever changes her eyes...
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happy birthday 다횬이
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUn-iszA2TG/
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post arin being a woman please
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is it safe to post or should i come back
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your nugugroup flopped while twice didn't
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>>73032725
bigger
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>>73032734
take that back
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>>73032717
pay more attention, the taeposters have been here since the start of the thread
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>>73032755
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>>73032750
adultrin...
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i'm eating rainbow roll and it got me thinking about rainbow

is "a" the greatest kpop song ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XxTHBR8W4Y
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>>73032755
>>
what kind of signal would you send dahyun if you had the chance?
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once year olds need to leave already, what happened to their aptly located general in trash
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>>73032768
HOLY
arin in pants forever
>>
I can't handle Arin
>>
*saves memes*
>>
>>73032768
i know you webmd more parts
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>>73032748
Korean men love round faces.
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anyone know what this says about yoona?
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>>73032725
>that shape

whoa
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>>73032780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEbXnWbwjLQ
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>>73032768
the debut of jeanrin is a blessing
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>>73032776
no and Rainbow deserve the eternal nugu treatment they got
>>
>>73032798
desu I only saved this when someone else posted it here a few days ago. I do think there were other webms and images of this performance though
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>>73032654
That's the style of the song, genius. The verses are sung softly.

Either way, Tzuyu has always been given parts where she belts it out, like Do It Again and now Signal. She's good at that style of singing. Maybe not great live, but she's getting there. She's got a nice tone too. When she improves a bit more she's gonna be really good.
>>
>>73032780
Deuteronomy 31:6
>>
>>73032776
>is "a" the greatest kpop song ever?
it's among the very best but to me is the one
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>>73032798
I made that, and I only made 3 webms though

the whole performance is webm material, so it's better to watch it
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>tfw nugus like rainbow can have an solid discography of great songs but will never make it because guys dont support waifus
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cosmic thread juseyo
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>>73032829
thats the stuff
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>>73032807
Typical, nugushitter posting a nugu track
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>>73032803
think its saying he loves that girl who is an equivalent to yoona
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>>73032840
i have some rainbow albums but there isn't so much you can do if they don't break through in korea
but they did well enough to last seven years, that's pretty good
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>>73032822
good one

>>73032780
Psalms 9 :13
John 15 :18
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>>73032829
is this from the ding dong show? I don't remember it being this high quality
separate recording?
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>>73032840
rainbow had it easy too so there's no excuse for flopping
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>>73032895
>rainbow had it easy too
how?
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>>73032874
strange
this is the line they replaced it with in the english sub
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>>73032903
there was hardly any competition back then
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>>73032886
I think it was from the same day, but it was filmed on WM's rooftop, seems fancammers were invited, and each one filmed a different girl
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which group looks the best sans makeup?
I only know that RV and WJSN look good bareface
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2xOKfuXUxo

better than the kpop mannequin challenges desu
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>>73032928
dont say that
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>>73032912
they were competing at literally the peak of the girlgroup explosion
today is easy in comparison
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>>73032937
godesses
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>>73032928
that omg picture where they're all on the couch and sleepy and have their feet out
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>>73032946
they look disgusting in that picture
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>>73032946
Mimi was really cute there
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>>73032946
>>
been this way since 18 but lately
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>>73032949
literally incorrect
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>>73032955
lol
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>>73032928
>RV
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>>73032918
>>73032886
oh wait, the drighk fancam says "ding dong live", but it was indeed filmed in WM's rooftop

maybe he's part of the company?? he MCs all their showcases
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You know what? I really, really like 365 Fresh. Its a great song. Especially the chorus
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>>73032963
they look like kids with downs
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>>73032976
nugus
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>>73032937
holy shit who is that in the back?
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>>73032940
The market wasn't completely saturated back then like it is today.
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>>73032955
yooa and arin especially look fucking cute as fuck
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>>73032955
ariinnnnniieeeeeeeeeee
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>>73032971
mc ding dong is a miracle
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>>73032995
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>>73033004

new
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>>73032937
Holy fuck that back one is killing me. Not surprising exy doesn't look different since she's already ugly as default
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>>73032982
not at their debut in 2009 but they were in kara's shadow then
a few years later it was worse than now, some groups actually make it again these days and i'm pretty sure 2016 had fewer debuts than in a long time
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