>learn rudimentary music theory >read adorno >tfw it's

>adorno
>>>/leftypol/

read some john maus interviews if op

>>73008977
>pseud the thread

>>73008977
what a nerd
shut up before i put u in my asshole pussyboi

>the simplicity of modern music
>everyones a star for 15 minutes

if its so simple then just make a top 40 song and be famous

>>73008977
we already have a pseud thread
>>73006280

If more educated people than you who have spent decades learning music theory still make music, then does your opinion really matter?

Also, yes. If music was taking only three chords and mashing them together with no useful variation and the same lyrics then it would be trash. However, music is made up of thousands of techniques and styles with to many possible musical arrangements to count.

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>>73008977
Here's something that'll blow your mind, OP.
All literature is a combination of letters.
You fucking pseud.

>>73009174
oh you mean like The Chainsmokers did
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJ8HSXjpos

are you really saying that top 40 isn't any less complex than Scriabin/Bartok/Fauré/Rachmaninoff

>>73008977
>listen to /mu/core and acarufficore shit for 8 years
>listen to the Art of Fugue by Bach once
>immediatly realize that every single musician I've heard so far was a unaware amateur

The difference in quantity and quality of content, maturity, insight and emptional value of his music surpassed every expectation I've had so far, rising immediatly the bar way too high for me to come back to what I was listening earlier.

>>73009573
Most /mu/core albums are fundamentally formulaic, but people pretend they're not cause of lyrics appreciation and flashy new sounds that are put there in order to hide how poor the composition is.

>>73008977
this position will leave you feeling empty too. you will never fill this hole.

>>73009760
ok make a top 40 song right now

>>73009702
none of it is written with toy blocks, pseud

think of what children make with toy blocks
then think of whatever fancy literature you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh3QY9HpZV8

>>73009790
>blatantly ignoring the point
>thinking top 40 isn't more about marketing than songwriting

lots of talented musician who've been doing interesting stuff for a long time decide they want to make music and shit out top 40 and get insta-rich

>>73009838
no I'm trying to say if you think its so easy make a top 40 quality song right now, and I know you cant because you posses no more talent than even the worst pop star. You simply sit back and judge entire art forms and decades of media without contributing anything because you are a useless person

>>73008977
Yes, but even if our feelings towards music are not entirely legitimate. At least with music, sometimes, you are able to understand how someone feels.

>>73009927
>no I'm trying to say if you think its so easy make a top 40 quality song right now, and I know you cant because you posses no more talent than even the worst pop star.
sure why daw do they use? i'll go download it now

>>73009776
>Most /mu/core albums are fundamentally formulaic, but people pretend they're not cause of lyrics appreciation and flashy new sounds that are put there in order to hide how poor the composition is.
That implies that formulaic music is poorly composed which is not necessarily true.

Anyway, wouldn't 'flashy new sounds' indicate they weren't formulaic? I'm sure those GY!BE fans are just blown away by the lyrics and 'flashy new sounds'.

>>73009927
This.

>>73009927
whoa, calm down
you don't have to insult me

you literally called me a useless person because I said that top 40 is simple

>>73009927
I'm not a musician, but I don't have to be to recognize that classical music is more technically complex than top 40

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>>73008977
>tfw you're beyond the point in which knowledge and appreciation of complex things no longer hinder the ability to find pleasure in "prolefeed" so you get the best of both worlds

>>73009813
Analogies are not an argument.
Is a Scale a block?
A Mode?
A Note?
A Chord?
A Key?
A Time Signature?
A Color?
A Sound?
A Language?
A Letter?
People who make posts like these lack a basic understanding of fine art, they rely on comparisons to literature, instead of one to fine art, which music has much more in common with.
With literature more than any other form of art, you are limited.
Do you play an instrument, do you speak a language, can you perceive color, sound, taste, smell, texture, balance, heat?
Literature is confined to paper and to voice.
The art world has attempted to move past status quo consistently. I bet you look at a Duchamp, Rothko, or even maybe Picasso, and somewhere deep down you think, "This is not art."
Popular music, whether you like it or not, is music. You do realize that every composer that has been and will be, from the late 18th century to today, harbors an appreciation for popular music?
Please show me your beautiful sonatas you composed and your ability to innovate music as an art form due to a basic understanding of it and a reading of an unrelated field.
All sound, fundamentally, is frequency and amplitude, nothing more or less.
Duchamp's Fountain, while simpler than Goya's many portraits he made as court painter in Spain is more important.

Adorno:
-dead
-a faggot

Me:
-cool, ahndsome guy
-alive and loving it
yah i really dont need to read this goon to know he's wrong about everything he's ever espoused. guy is a laughingstock in the real world

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>>73009573
Hey now there's more to a burger than just the way you arrange the pickles, meat and cheese but there are all kinds of cheese and they come from different places and the cattle are raised in different climates and that opens up a whole discussion but most importantly

i probably have more genres on my ipod than any of you and i'm bedazzeled you'd even bother to get mad at the op he's clearly correct

>>73008977
ok then name some artists you actually believe are innovative

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>>73010343

>>73010229
>conceptual art is simpler than portraiture

I'm a huge fan or Rothko, Pollock, Gorky, Kandinsky, Basquiat, Abramovic, Acconci, etc

all i'm trying to say is that top 40 is relatively simplistic (not necessarily bad) and it's a shame that most people's musical appreciation is limited to it

and why the fuck do you think I'm saying that popular music isn't enjoyable

>>73009119
John Maus is so hard to follow sometimes, though. His logic is heady and undefined. He rambles and stutters. Don't waste your time listening to the incoherent drivel of an autistic loof.

>>73010358
>why the fuck do you think I'm saying that popular music isn't enjoyable
because that's the argument 99% of rapid /mu/ shitposters who just found out that music theory exists use
you seem somewhat smarter than them
If you're going to make a shitpost expect rude responses

>>73010451
got it
we cool?

>>73010438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQkonfhHvLk

>>73010648
>tfw you see yourself in him

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>>73010607
>one of the worst tripfags will be banned for posting lewd on a blue board

The feat of successful pop music is simplifying everything while having enough subtle complexity that a passive listener wont actually notice though they will be kept interested by it unknowingly.

>>73010312
>i probably have more genres on my ipod than any of you and i'm bedazzeled you'd even bother to get mad at the op he's clearly correct
You're a fucking idiot. No one cares that you have obscure music downloaded to your ipod, that doesn't give you any qualifications at all.

>inb4 U MAD BRO?
No, you're just a fucking idiot.

>>73008977
take it your first year of college went well OP?

>>73008977
Is it just me, or does every kid that grew up playing and listening to "classical" music already realize this by the time they're 6?
Congrats on being a pseud, OP.

>>73008977
What about grimes?

>>73011478
Not OP, but Grimes knows jackshit about music theory. She can't even play an instrument. Ever seen mess around on the violin? Fucking cringeworthy.
She's got a unique voice, look, and sound, but she doesn't know how to write a song that leaves you satisfied.

>>73009760
the chainsmokers got a hit because they have rich parents who paid for "viral marketing." thats a who different problem with capitalism

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>>73008977
Name the Pere Ubu of art music.

>>73009776
>Art of Fugue
>good

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>>73010229
Damn, dude.

This was great until you implied any visual artist has ever reached Goya's power levels.

>>73011901
then you missed the whole fucking point of that post

>>73009776
Why are lyrics not Important? Why are textures not important. Not everything has to be compositionally complex to be musically interesting. Shenzhou is just loops of 5 second Debussy clips and it's one of the best albums of the millennium

>>73008977
OP, listen to this and then tell me that "rudimentary music theory" is required to make "good" music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzuvfy4jFwE

>>73009776
composition is a meme my man, it's made up

>>73008977
>he fell for the commie meme
>he doesn't realize that the goal of life is to make as much money as possible no matter the cost
no joke, justin bieber is better than any of that pretentious shit you think is good. these mental midgets just pretend it's some sort of high art to cover the fact that it will never sell.

>>73012111
This is probably bait, but it's unironically accurate.
There is literally nothing wrong with hierarchy.