Reminder folk music are songs orally passed down. If the artist

>>72999732
>words have only one definition
no

>>72999732
what was called 'folk' pre 1950s is now called "traditional music"

the more you know.

>>73000290
>>73000264
Define contemporary folk music.

>>73000313
le sad white man + acoostic geetah

>>73000313
There's a bunch of definitions here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_folk_music

The bands that play folk music often have traditional instruments like violin, accordion and or banjo, although there's not set instrumentation, varies highly between groups, varies as much as the styles being played. Even 1 person could be folk, doesn't have to be a group.

It should be noted that the word "folk" has different connotations in different cultures.

Take serbian turbo folk music as an example.

>>73000540
>as an example
>doesn't give example

>>73000635
google
its not traditional or singer-songwrutery yet its still called folk

>>72999732
That's a paradox. How can you pass down a song if it isn't composed?

>>73000985
think harder

>>73001035

no you need to

>composes song
>not a folk song since i wrote it
>passes it down
>still not a folk song

Unless you're calling all covers folk songs by your definition.

or you're completely retarded and using "wrote" literally.

>>73001062
think some more

>>73001103
not an argument and you're a moron.

>>73000351
>acoostic geetah
This physically hurts.

Are Christmas Carols and Nursery Rhymes ''folk music''?

>>73001122
They are my dude

>>73001122
no because you just wrote them

>>73001192
>I wrote Silent Night

Time to cash in on those royalties

>>73001103
No, you're just a fucking moron and a contrarian troll

>>73001115
>>73001062
>>73000985
When it is first composed, it is not folk music.

It later becomes folk music after it is handed down a generation or two.

>>73001446
so baroque music is folk?

>>73001521
No it's baroque music

>>73001540
but by your own definition, it would be folk music.

>>73001628
>but by your own definition
When did I state my definition?

this is a bad thread

>>73001654
what is the point of your existence?

why did you post this if you don't want to have a discussion?

>>73001521
>why did you post this if you don't want to have a discussion?
I am having a discussion.

Are you going to answer my question or not? When did I state my definition/

>>73001696
no you're being pedantic and you can't even respond to the right post.

why do you think baroque music is not folk since it's passed down through generations and is not written by it's performers

>>72999732
>folk music can only come from one place with one set of traditions

Kys

>>73001737
classical is music is all cover songs

>>73001737
>no you're being pedantic
No you made a claim I stated a definition. Where is that? Can you answer, or did you misspeak?
>why do you think baroque music is not folk
Because it's art music
>since it's passed down through generations
This is a quality of folk music, but not the sole qualifier. What you are trying to do, won't work.

>>73001758
aren't cover songs folk?

they're passed down and not written by performers.

>>73001773
okay what are the other qualifiers?

you are being pedantic. you made a thread talking about what folk music is and isn't and then are being a little bitch because you haven't out right stated a definition despite alluding to one in all of your posts.

>>73001802
>okay what are the other qualifiers?
I would say that the three qualifiers for Folk music 1) usually represents or functions for a specific sociocultral group, 2) functions as storytelling often with a moral and 3) is handed down from generation to generation
>you made a thread
I'm not OP

>>73001846
that definition includes cover songs. so cover songs are now folk.

>>73001864
>that definition includes cover songs
Like what?

>>73001898
Any Guthrie, and soon to be Wonderwall, Sweet Home Alabama, Everlong, Stairway to Heaven, etc.

>>73001928
That is all popular music, not folk music

They don't function in a cultural contest, and they are not story telling/cultural based

>>73001928
>Guthrie
*although* I will give you some of this has become folk music by now, correct. The others, no.

>>73001947
I don't know how you can call something popular music and then in the same sentence say that it doesn't function in a cultural context.

And they are storytelling based, as much as Christmas and Nursery rhymes are.

>>73001970
Not really. There is a distinction between Pop, Art and Folk Music.

Please research Tagg's Triangle and you might understand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_genre#The_art.2Fpopular.2Ftraditional_distinction

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this is some top-tier bait, anon

>>73002030
>calling facts b8 because you can't handle your white man + acoostic is really just 'folky' rock.

>>73002002
First, Stairway does derive from culture, it's based on irish folklore. Sweet Home also derives from Southern US culture and US nationalism. You could make an argument that Wonderwall and Everlong are based on modern cultural views on love.

The whole point is you keep trying to say what is and isn't but there is no tight definition. Word meaning changes also, since most people don't consider traditional music to be the only type of folk music anymore. So you're running against that as well.

>>73002044
>desperately trying to appear superior on an anonymous image board by defending an archaic definition after taking a music appreciation class his freshman year.

>>73002072
Being a longtime well established definition doesn't make it wrong

>>73002085
it does if the meaning of the word has changed. what stupid logic is this?

>>73002100
>I have changed the meaning in my head so everyone has

>>73002115
Go look at the Dylan, Van Morrison, Donovan, Mason Jennings, Cat Stevens, etc. wiki page and tell me it doesn't list folk, though by your standards he wouldn't be considered folk. Not to mention all of the folk subgenres that are called that because they use the "folk" sound.

It's a cultural word change, quit trying to act cool because you know the original definition of something. It doesn't make you cool, anyone can read a wiki article.

ITT: teens of /mu/ once again don't know shit about the axiomatic triangle

>>73001122
They're standards which could be considered traditional but most people would call them folk

>>73002219
ITT: neck beards who believe they are superior because they read a wiki article but can't be bothered to understand their own culture

>>73002231
ITP: Bob Dylan and Nick Drake scrobbler who thinks he is eclectic by listening to folk-ROCK and dropping the rock part.

>>73002253
You didn't even read the previous conversation or respond to my argument so fuck off back to your undergraduate lecture

>>72999732
This. Folk is the most retardedly misnamed genre.
I listen to ITAOTS and at no point I feel "folk".

>>72999732
You have the right idea in that most stuff that gets labeled folk is not folk but 20th century folk was a thing and we do know the writers of most of that stuff, Bob Dylan would probably be the last major folk artist in that his 1000+ songs included lots of songs that were on to him but in turn everything he wrote was covered by 1000+ artists

But people confused the fact that he was the first major example of a "singer-songwriter" as meaning that anyone who did that was doing "folk"

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DUDE
FOLK
LMAO

>>73002322
Ginger people don't count.

>>72999732
Well, if someone passes it down orally it becomes folk.

>>73002152
This. Folk was originally passed down through oral tradition, yes, but that doesn't really happen anymore. Yet, there is still music that has distinctive "folk" characteristics, and the definition is based on that
What you're thinking of, OP, is traditional folk, but not all folk music falls under that category

>tl;dr
>op is a faggot

>it's a "/mu/ teenagers try to discuss something that isn't hip-hop, rock or "electronic" episode"

kek

>>73002044
By OP's definition this isn't folk because the artists wrote the song themselves. You're a retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oww-dXf-6qs

>>73003664
It happens constantly you 'tard.

>>73004105
bold, calling someone retarded when you can't even reply to the correct person.

>>73004152
>but that doesn't really happen anymore

>>73004177
>but that doesn't really happen anymore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TArPsHYj5Yc
Just wanted to post the most beautiful folk song I´ve heard in a long while

>>73004291
>but that doesn't really happen anymore

>>73004369
That´s a traditional tune though

Is this the folk general now?

If you want to hear some Scandinavian pop influenced folk, and no, not folk influenced pop like First Aid Kit, then give this a listen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JPd0pN_2K0

This song is probably my favorite on the album, the vocal harmonies are so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JPd0pN_2K0&t=1443s

>>73004416
>>73004423
>but that doesn't really happen anymore

>>73004444
Are you having an aneurysm? The band I linked writes all their songs themselves

>>73004482
>but that doesn't really happen anymore

>>73004423
Reminds me a bit of Hedningarna's later work.
https://youtu.be/yY1L0vD1G5g

>>73004525
>but that doesn't really happen anymore

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>Our future generations passed down folk songs to our ancestors through time travel as a way to store musical knowledge before the human race evolved to the next the stage

>>73004564
>but that doesn't really happen anymore

>>73004105
>>73004177
>>73004255
>>73004369
>>73004444
>>73004506
>>73004540
>>73004590
>being this buttmad
I don't even know why you're so upset

>>73004683
He was around before ''popular music'' was a thing, before rockism and the breadth of pop/rock etc

>>73002058
>First, Stairway does derive from culture, it's based on irish folklore
Oh is it an Irish Folksong?

No it is not. This is irreleavnt
>Sweet Home also derives from Southern US culture and US nationalism
What's the moral? does it exist as a commercial work? Or purely for cultural heritage and moral?
>You could make an argument that Wonderwall and Everlong are based on modern cultural views on love.
Commercial music.
>The whole point is you keep trying to say what is and isn't but there is no tight definition.
There is. See >>73002002
>Word meaning changes also
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant

>>73001771
>unknown author

Also important

>>73006565
you are an idiot. do you even read the shit you type?

>Oh is it an Irish Folksong?
>No it is not. This is irreleavnt

The claim wasn't that it was an irish folk song, it's that it was based on irish folklore, which is derived from irish culture. you jackass.

you seem to think that folk songs can't exist as commercial entities. Look at Irish folk music since you apparently know what it is. in Belfast you'll find people singing along to Galway Girl even though that is a commercial song. Most Irish folk songs now were popularized or written by the Dubliners who were a commercial group.

You are a fucking idiot trying to argue in a vacuum about a definition you read on wiki or learned in your freshman level music class in college.

I already read that post and responded to it. It is not a tight definition.

>Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant
It isn't anecdotal. Proof was provided. Read this thread before you fucking post in here you dumbass. You're raising points that have already been proven wrong.

>>73007303
>written by the Dubliners

So popular music then

>>73007366
you are a moron. please keep your idiotic thoughts to yourself and stop arguing just to argue.

>>73001446

Do old constantly covered songs like Hallelujah or Yesterday count as folk them?

>>73000351
why did you feel the need to specify the white man?

>>73007432
Because any folk thread on this board is always the same 6 white men + acoostic geetah and occasionally Joni Mitchell

>>73002322
>ginger
>white
>>73002333
>ginger
>people

>>73007432
because in third world countries like america, the average man is not white

>>73007468
what music do sad asians make?

Bad thread.

2/10

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>>73007536

>>73007536
Seppuku

>>73007514
pale skinned gingers are a sight more white than the average mixed blood honky

>>73007525
implying white exists outside of slavland

>>73007540
>muh Nick Drake and Bob Dylan are soooo folk mom, I'm eclectic mom

>>73007599
>muh music class education is sooooooo cool mom. i crave feeling superior to others based on archaic definitions mom

>>73007582
implying white=aryan

>this thread's still up
it's Friday night go do something fun

>>73007674
That's not a denial.

Okay hun, you listen to "folk", you are so cultured and eclectic, not like those normies who bully you, you're special!!

>>73007740
i never said i listened to folk so quit projecting.

if anyone is worried about normies, it's you by ignoring the fact that folk doesn't mean what it used to mean.

>>73007808
Yes it does.

Not my fault /mu/ are stupid.

>>73007821
it's not mu you idiot.

look at >>73002152 and respond.

>>73007866
>Wikipedia
kek

>>73007303
>which is derived from irish culture.
But the song itself is not representative of a culture. Please use your brain
>Look at Irish folk music since you apparently know what it is. in Belfast you'll find people singing along to Galway Girl
Hasn't been handed down form generation to generation. Have you been paying attention?
>I already read that post and responded to it
You didn't address anything about Tragg's Triangle. Try again

>>73007880
i'll take your refusal to respond as resignation.
>>73007885
you obviously don't know anything about irish folk music so fuck off until you can speak on the topic without sounding like an idiot.

>>73007906
Unreliable resources and getting angry doesn't make you right.

ITT: First semester music major gets 10000 replies

>>73007932
you're looking for a general world culture opinion on what a word means and you don't trust a website that is maintained and edited by people around the world. I don't know how to help you if you don't listen to evidence.

I obviously cannot argue with you anymore because you refuse to confront anything than your own conclusions. Just because you keep saying something over and over despite being proven wrong doesn't make you right.

I'm done here, you neckbeard.

>>72999732
why do you have to try and ruin everything?

>>73007963
lol next you'll tell me RYM is objectively correct too

>>73007906
>Pop music is just folk music!!
Who is sounding like an idiot?

>>73008031
those songs are culturally considered folk songs but i guess some neckbeard sitting at his computer knows more about their music than the Irish do.

>>73008060
They are renowned for being fucking stupid.

>>73008078
and now you've devolved into the level of a troll. bye.

>>73008060
>those songs are culturally considered folk songs
1) What specific culture?
2) Were they handed down form many generations?
3) What's the specific moral and story
4) Is it non-commercial in nature?

If your answers are
>none
>they aren't
>um idk
>yes
Then it's not Folk.

>>73008060
I did Born To Run at a karaoke last week, doesn't make it a folk song you dipshit

>>73008124
No one considers it that. Look up Fibber Magee's in Belfast or the Cobblestone in Dublin and they call it traditional Irish folk music.

You guys are making assumptions on a culture you don't know anything about. You're arguing in a vacuum.

No sign of the pop group Dubliners here

https://comhaltas.ie/

>>73008284
That's for the tourists to get them in the door and sell pints of Guiness with shamrock in them.

Wait, I thought Irish traditional music was the sound of gunfire and bombs?

>>73008356
Again making assumptions. Fibbers is very popular with the locals. Cobblestone is as well and they even have local music students play there. Source: I lived in Ireland you twats.

Why do you insist on acting like you know everything about a place you've never been to? It's okay to learn new things or be wrong anon.

I know we're on mu and playing the asshole and arguing is fun but really if you are so arrogant that you think you are the authority on a culture you've never experience then that is just sad. You're working off of stereotypes and assumptions and being actually racist but you don't realize it.

>>73008470
Are you a leprechaun?

Oh and do you know Colin Farrell?

>>73008495
I genuinely feel sorry for you, anon. I hope you have a good weekend. Get off the computer and go be with friends or something.

>>73008544
Are you Brian McFadden? Ever met Bewitched? Weree you in The Commitments?

Top o' the mornin' to ya! Have a cup of tea now. Go on, go on, go on.

>>73008284
>they call it traditional Irish folk music.
They would be wrong.

>You guys are making assumptions on a culture you don't know anything about
Well, here's your chance. Answer the questions here >>73008091

>>73007700
implying that I imply that white people exist in any form

>>73007565
Isn't she Icelandic or from some other northern European country?

>implying that the rest of the world is wrong in their usage of a word and not you for using some archaic definition that isn't used any more

>>73009057
>words are different because I say so
Wrong

Also
>the rest of the world
Listen to actual Folk music and call it that, rather than Pop music and call it anything.