I want to have an argument about electronic music. I'm an

Not with that attitude

>>72751493
electronic music is all poo poo caca doodoo cuz there are no real instruments

>>72751514
Fuck you, motherfucker.

By the way, Syro is a shit album.

>>72751493
Top 3 freetek tunes?

electronic music has rendered western harmonic music theory outdated and obselete.

>>72751524
I'll have you know there are many live instruments in many, many, many electronic tracks, le sir.

>>72751548
Never heard of it / them.

If you want me to name a Top 3, at least give me an artist worth listening to.

>>72751571
Obviously not true. Lel. Try harder.

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>>72751586
>is a self-professed expert of electronic music
>has self-confined self to the strict formulas of western harmonic theory

>>72751586
It's genre you twat.

Can a real expert take over?

>>72751607
Lol you don't know me, I don't have to prove myself to you.

>>72751617
Lol! Lots of people haven't heard of freetek I'm sure. If you think knowledge of obscurity = expertise then you're wrong.

Anyway show me some freetek and I'll tell you if it's shit or not.

>>72751785
i came, i challenged, i won

Why do people hate Gesaffelstein?

>>72751829
because he's EBMeme for the tumblr generation

>>72751822
>I won

No, I won.

>>72751889
see >>72751785

>>72751901
I see it, what's your point?

you might as well contribute something to the discussion mate, this is boring af.

>>72751911
see >>72751607

Early breakbeat jungle is superior to masturbatory "IDM". No one fucking cares if you can splice the amen break in 7/4

>>72751857
How is EBM inherently bad, and how is he "for the tumblr generation"? Genuinely asking because I really like his only album and I'm not a millennial

repetitive electronic > idm

>>72751857
He's still pretty good imo.
It's a meme/It's bad because it's popular is a bad argument.

>>72751942
well if you managed to stomach that then go listen to his earlier stuff when he was releasing on Turbo because it's leagues better than this "only album" of his.

>>72751964
see the problem with gesaffelstein is the problem that inherently plagues all french people: the need to be an "artiste". so even his most functional tracks turn dissolve into some sort plinky finger-drumming expressionism by tune's end..

>>72752009
Thanks for the recommendation, but you didn't really answer my questions

>>72752014
1) ebm is good. meme ebm aka hot topic techno is bad.

2) pitchfork coverage and viral marketing

>>72751493
Perhaps not contrarian but do you feel that the electronic scene is filled with more fanboys than pop music or more historic electronic genres? I love aphex twin. I also think there are plenty of comparable experimental musicians across many genres still pushing that same envelope in their respective fields but feel that they cannot benefit as much from their boundary pushing as say aphex twin can be perceived to have pushed a boundary simply by splicing "the amen break in 7/4". Sorry for autism in advance.

>>72752052
Right, so it has nothing to do with his actual music

>>72751493

Pretty much all electronic music except IDM/Braindance sucks cock and holds the entire genre down.

>>72752088
Please explain.

>>72752087
lol dafuq? how do you think someone gets be meme ebm? by making good ebm? are you not well?

>>72752088
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUEU8nMy5mA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-cDsl1sFIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8fsMcMY2do

how bout these non-IDM classics bro?

>>72752141
So meme = bad now?
In that case, could you explain how is it "meme"?

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>>72752142
>classics
>it's rustie and jon hopkins

Dubstep is the greatest thing that happened to electronic music in the last 20 years

>>72752088
Jungle and Garage are the only worthwhile genres.

is a dude getting electrocuted while singing considered "electronic music"?

>>72752180
and so is ambient techno

>>72752159
because it's bad? when something is bad you just portamnteau the title with the word 'meme'-- do you have a millenial grandson or granddaughter who could explain this to you?

>>72752180
Both are currently outclassed by footwork and dubstep respectively

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>>72752142

Boring. Totally uninspired rhythmically. Anybody can learn to make stuff like this in a few weeks.

That third video is especially lame, my god. He's just messing with digital settings to a boring beat and echoing piano in the back.


That album you posted in the OP is a real piece of music, it's beautiful and multi-layered, it takes several listens to understand what's going on, it's obviously the work of a genius.

The guys in these videos don't have what it takes to make something like Syro, they don't have the talent or the patience.

>>72752179
Go away with that.

>>72752225
2016 wasn't a great year for compared to how good 2014 and 2015 was. It loosk to be the same this year as well, whereas Jungle is continuing to have a small number of quaity releases year after year. Tbh Jungle and Footwork aren't related despite what the fucking retarded tags on Boomkat suggest.

Dubstep hasn't been that good for a long time now, only really Deep Medi, System and maybe Innamind (even though they've released fuck all this year) are worth following. I'd say Keysound as well but they aren't a Dubstep speciic label. Then again proper UKG is dead now.

If we look beyond the present the best Jungle and Garage are miles better than the best Footwork and Dubstep. I like all 4 genres but still.

>>72752248
It's true though. What else has had a greater impact on the genre since the start of the new millennium?

>>72752204
That's just a stupid thing stupid people such as yourself do. It doesn't make it right, or true.
Still haven't explained how it's bad.

>>72752358
omg just listen to it

youre helpless- im done

You're all actually, unironically, seriously using the production method of electronic based instrumentation as a genre aren't you?

Holy fucking kek

where should I start with flying lotus?

>>72752385
cosmogramma

>>72752372
I have, several times, and quite enjoy it
That's why I'm asking why you think it's bad
Stop avoiding the question

>>72752333
>Jungle and Footwork aren't related
Culturally, no. I get they evolved from completely different scenes, but they share a similar ethos: fast tempos, largely sample based, started by black guys on MPCs, etc. It isn't unfair to draw parallels between them.

>>72752419
the ambient mood pieces

muh art

>>72752385
Don't.

>>72752449
Ah yeah, I don't really like the ambient pieces either.

>>72752401
>>72752455
hmmm yeah, listened to a couple of songs, not really my thing

I guess I like him better producing

what's the next dubstep?

where do we go from trap?

feels like we're moving in a circle, oldskool rave dnb already explored silly samples nearly 30 years ago

>>72752339
There's so much to sift through. The rise of lo-fi hip hop, electronic music bleeding into genres including rock and country, autotune... Dubstep is literally just one small part of a effected musical sphere. Drill music rose from Chicago/Detroit (it sucks IMO but it has a sound all its own), then there's Grime from the UK... Dubstep is great but it's only a small part of the conversation. It's not the best thing to rise. Everything is influencing everything. Sam Smith's album is as electronically produced as anything you can hear and it's POP as fuck. Disney. His music could not have existed 20 years ago and it's not dubstep at all. Respectfully look at it wider.

>>72752444
>fast tempos, largely sample based, started by black guys on MPCs
Can't you say that about a lot of electronic subgenres though.

I think Footwork goes well with Breakbeat subgenres and people have made great shit by combing the two. I especially like it when Footwork producers make Jungle, although apart from DJ Earl I can't immediately name others who do.

>>72752508
Oh yeah and Trap!!!

Musique concrete > Onkyo > EAI > Berlin School > Techno > Industrial > EBM > house > Downtempo > Breaks > Hip hop > EDM

>>72752178
yeah, so what?

>>72752179
can't argue with this.

>>72752180
lol fuck off, how about microhouse? you clearly don't know your stuff.

>>72752236
>calls Jon Hopkins, Rustie and Sorrow boring
>says Syro is a work of genius by comparison

sorry fuckface, gonna have to stop you there. Syro is Aphex Twin's worst album. The only thing of his worse than it is the Cheetah EP, which is only slightly more boring.

Syro is bland, bland, bland. I could make a track like CIRCLONTA in an hour, and I wouldn't have fun doing it. Witchcraft by Sorrow on the other hand? That'd take a bit more time desu senpai. And what the fuck is aisastana[102] besides a cheap Nanou2 re-hash? Richard's clearly trying to claw his way back to the excitement of Druqks with this album, but simultaneously he's trying to pass off lazy music (90% of the album) as 'good', and it doesn't work. Druqks is the superior album.

Meanwhile, compared to Syro, Jon Hopkins' music is a rush of endorphins, and is immediately engaging. Jon is a classically trained musician and if you knew anything about him you'd know he is a virtuosic pianist in a live setting as well as an electronic artist.

>they don't have the talent or the patience

if you're going to equate a lifetime of hoarding up on hardware synths with patience, I'd agree with you. Talent, on the other hand, no.

>>72752333
2016 was //OK//. 2015 was the superior year, I agree.

>only Deep Medi, System and maybe Innamind are worth following

I would agree that dubstep is lacking nowadays, but that's only because a large chunk of it has moved on to other subgenres like riddim and post-dubstep and future bass. Try Deep Heads or Duploc if you want an idea of what the newer cats (who are still respecting the old sounds) are up to.

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>>72752556
what an absolutely trash opinion

remove your self from my premises

>>72751493
>Bring on your most outlandish contrarian propositions
so you can have an easy time debunking them?
It would be better if YOU bring on YOUR most outlandish contrarian proposition(s), cocksucker.

>>72751931
I care, fag

>>72752556
>no electro
>no future jazz
>no dub
>no tape music

>>72752508
the next dubstep is undisputably future bass but even that has become saturated as future bass is now mixed with trap and pop.

trap is just going to get weirder, dumber and noisier

>>72752556
>no progressive electronic
>no ambient
>no new age
>no Krautrock
>no synthpop

>>72752178

>dj sprinkles

lol babys first discogs visit, sprinkles is memecore

>>72752585
why would I make thinks harder for myself, you absolute lightning bolt of a cock?

>>72752620
>trap is just going to get dumber
Impossible

>>72752651
then lie down and die, shithead

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>>72752651
>you absolute lightning bolt of a cock
is this a compliment?

lmao op is C L U E L E S S
dig deeper you dolt

Electronic Music peaked in the 70s

>>72751493
Jam City's Classical Curves and Sophie's Product are the best and most influential and forward-thinking electronic releases of the last 5 years

>>72752705
*50s

>>72752651
This made me curious. Please tell us what your contrarian opinions are. It's an anonymous forum after all.

>>72752701
The fact he is unironically saying electronic music was a giveaway

>>72752724
Fave 50's electronica?

>>72751493
OBJECTIVE OPINION COMING THROUGH:
Most electronic music is devoid of true feeling or emotions. It only works as an aspect of experimentation in other genres like rock and hip hop and on its own it is weak and uninteresting

>>72752657
very possible. We were saying it was impossible 2 years ago and look at where we are now

>>72752664
someone's a bit spiteful!

>>72752674
no, notice how the insult implies that *he* is the cock and not that the cock belongs to him

>>72752701
judging by the spaces you're putting in between the letters in the word 'clueless', I'm guessing vaporwave is your favourite electronic genre? And you're calling me the clueless one... lol.

>>72752705
*captain-picard-facepalm.jpg*

>>72752744
well, I think most techno is shit. You can't really disprove that. Also, Burial is the greatest musician of our time.

>>72752757
oh yeah, electronic music is a genre, through and through.

>>72752852
Feel bad for u desu
Missing out on some good good shit

whoops forgot to put my trip back on

>>72752880 is also OP

>>72752880
Lmao so clueless
Listen to more music before trying to talk about electronic music this is pitiful

>>72752880
>Burial is the greatest musician of our time.

GOOFY

>>72752880
>electronic music is a genre

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>>72752508
post some good trap

bonus points: no rapping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2frWG7IUps

>burial is my favorite musician
Loool ffs dude

>>72752938
Goofy goofus.

>>72752922
https://youtu.be/ULmo4eNwEwA

>>72752938
Yeah exactly.

>>72752556
>ranking entire genres instead of individual works
Shiggy diggy

>>72752556
Never heard of half of this shit.

>>72753002
Lmao really

>>72752908
>>72752911
>>72752938

give me an example of music you think is better!! inb4 lo-fi techno, lol.

>>72752721
well, they are incredibly forward-thinking, yes. 'Influential' is debatable. I don't really see their influence carrying over into many places.

>>72752852
that's only because you're set in your ways and were probably introduced to live recorded music years before you heard any electronic. are you an oldfag by any chance?

>>72752915
electronic music = music with a predominant emphasis on synthesised sound.

you're one of those "electronic is a method of making music, not a genre" fags, aren't you?

>>72752922
rl grime - always

>>72752080
haven't really heard any aphex twin tracks in 7/4.

definitely a lot more fanboys in electronic. pop music is music for people who don't like music, I don't really get a fanboyish vibe from pop music listeners.

>>72751931
>No one fucking cares if you can splice the amen break in 7/4
Have you only listened to Venetian Snares or something? Most IDM is in common time and is basically just techno with more experimentation and/or development than you'd typically see in club music.

Burial fanboy lol
I'm not spoonfeeding you

>>72752953
das some good shit

>>72752852
>muh emotion muh FEELS
Kill yourself you fucking prole, I bet you think Romanticism is the only good era of classical music as well

>>72752922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sd3LwAYglo

>>72751931
they served different purposes, I wouldn't compare them.

breakbeat jungle was for the clubs and the masses, braindance is a bit more aimed at the intellectually curious

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>>72753136
Ahahahahaha

>>72753136
>I wouldn't compare them.

You're the retard who made a thread for 80 years of music and called it all the same genre, make your mind up.

> intellectually curious
oh wow

>>72753033
>sound music = music with a predominant emphasis on audible sound that you can hear.

>you're one of those "making sounds is a method of making music, not a genre" fags, aren't you?

>>72752922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSCoAJI_J9E

>>72753029
Yeah. I'm usually elsewhere.

>>72753033
Better than Burial? Lots. Bonobo. Hexstatic. Tricky. Hiroaki Umeda. Daedelus. Too many to name.

>>72753048
disappointing
>>72753131
good
>>72753191
eh

>>72753111
bye then!
>trips
at least you got something out of posting in this thread

>>72753163
They're both electronic music subgenres that were marketed differently, is that so difficult to understand? Well, idk, maybe it is difficult for you.

>>72753190
predominant emphasis =/= use

or can you not grasp basic differences between concepts?

>>72753261
>Bonobo
ehhhhh. Very cool music, new album was good, old albums are good, but nowhere near as innovative.
>Hexstatic
just another label-group that got big because they got in on the Ninja Tune meme early. Some of it is cool but it's a bit annoying and gimmicky. They literally have a song named after their own label, that can't be good
>Tricky
I'd say he's on par with Burial, given Massive Attack. OK, well done.
>Hiroaki Umeda
who is this guy? A dance choreographer? Can't be better than Burial if he isn't a musician, lol.
>Daedelus
Also very good stuff. Still doesn't come close though. It's just exploration and experimentation. There's no emotion or yearning behind his music.

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>>72752953
this is music

post more music niggers i need to find new shit dubstep trap jungle idm whatever give me your best shit

>>72753463
Not with that vocabulary

>>72753422
Why are you still posting literally everyone is laughing at you lmao

why is everything electronic that has good production and some pads somewhere in the mix classified as "ambient" even when it's super upbeat, rhythmically and melodically driven and even with lyrics? is the "ambient" genre tag utterly meaningless at this point?

>>72753525
senpai

>>72753422
Fantastic Plastic Machine.
Akufen.
Okapi.
Daft Punk?
Fourtet.
Boards of Canada.

What is the fascination with Burial? Send me something to listen to I guess.

burial has one good album desu

ONE (1)

>>72753531
Ambient, the genre, is beatless music that usually emphasises droning and/or sustained sounds. I guess people just use it to describe things cos it's a nice word

>>72753574
this was good.
https://burial.bandcamp.com/track/nightmarket

>>72753603
I mean, no, wrong, they're both good. But which do you mean?

>>72753694
I just listened it's cool I guess but it bored me greatly. It's not really that deep field. It contains very little output. There are way better tracks out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yam3CWqoZEc

That all you got? Maybe I should just go.

There are way better artists out there than burial lol
That tune is weak as hell btw

Not even the best hyperdub artist ffs

>>72751493
all electronic music between bedroom headphone listening and club-specific use is completely pointless. this includes a vast majority of IDM.

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Well if this isn't the most pretentious OP that /mu/ has had

hey OP how long have you been listening to electronic music
i want to guess 2 years

>>72754244
this

house music is great to dance to on ecstasy and to listen to if you want to remember dancing on ecstasy

otherwise not as much

>>72755473
i recommend digging deeper then

op is a fag

Techno was born and buried in Detroit.

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These are my electronic music tags. How fucking triggered are you OP that I don't give a shit how inaccurate these are?

>>72751951
they aren't mutually exclusive tho

>>72753879
blech. The new Mark Pritchard album. Really? There's less "output" in this track than in the track I showed you, you're being fooled by visuals into thinking this is anywhere near as meritable.

I mean Nightmarket is the icing on the cake for Burial. If you really want to get into the nitty gritty of his genius, try his remix of Paradise Circus.

>>72753952
>>72753965
>unnecessarily boycotting the reply feature

>>72754244
probably longer than you have

>>72758063
nice projection.

>>72758133
I don't even know what your point is or what you mean by this. Come back when you've articulated your argument coherently

>>72759346
whoops, for the last reply in >>72759346 I meant to @ >>72758530

ignore >>72759346, >>72758133

>>72759346
here's your (You)

Nice rebuttal op
Come back when youve at least listened to other artists on hyperdub
I'd rec you much better labels but you are pretty clueless so I wouldn't even know where to start