So am I right in thinking that apart from the generals, /mu/

>>72578575
My brother is 16 and browses this shithole, he thinks he is the coolest shit spouting out Death Grips and Fantano memes and badly trying to play ITAOTS on guitar

>>72578607
/mu/ was bad three years ago

now it's just totally unrecognizable

>>72578575
the internet has always been trash. now its boring trash. anyone got something new?

>>72578647
Try real life

>>72578575
hahahaha

does /mu like death metal?


hahahahah

jesus christ almighty this album sucks


oh god stop, hahahahahaha


srs, the effort for the odd classical/jazz thread is the only reason to return

>>72578647
/mu/ could be fun when it was trashy

now everybody's obsessed with post-irony, meme genres and not stepping on each other's socio-political toes

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>>72578575
reminded me of some classic gore

>>72578743
this is great though

>>72578575
tbf I was 15 when I first came to /mu/, now 23, can't believe I've spent over a quarter of my life on this board

Sums it up: https://youtu.be/K9zmiF810rw

yeah
all of the anthony fans are under 18

>>72578624
dig deeper than the meme threads to the actual discussion and it's literally fine
problem is real threads get almost no replies because everyone comes here for fantano circlejerking and reaffirming their shit taste as good now
get past that shit and we have a strong board, just one with few posters

>>72578652
You're fuckin me senpai
Real life is even more boring tedium
I got a real blood rush working on my tax returns last month

>>72578954
So much this. The last Bill Swag thread I did was nothing but productive discussion. All of the shitty Gorrilaz meme threads still outlived it.

>>72578954
>dig deeper than the meme threads to the actual discussion and it's literally fine
there is a LOT of meme discussion though m8

this all stems from those retarded facebook groups you know

>>72579372
oh i get that for sure. when i come here it's to check up on what people are talking about, which is invariably shit, and otherwise to look for the few dedicated threads that have any value, as well as scanning the catalog for anything else interesting
it is almost guaranteed the top 30 threads in the catalog will be awful though. i wish filters would work for me so i could at the very least get rid of kpop generals

>>72579521
I still like some of the generals, /bleep/ has never really let me down, I don't visit /metal/ often but I doubt much has changed there

the RYM ones have always been bad, no doubt they're getting worse

I'm 27 and I've been here since 2008 so you better respect me

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Where do I go to find new music? This was the only place I know. Now it's 70% meme rap and pitchfork

>>72579559
early 2009 here

I miss chillwave so badly

why did we replace it with extremely bland R&B, vaporwave and trap

none of them are as fun

>>72579564
desu RYM still does me a solid

it depends what you like, I used to read the Wire but then something happened to it, otherwise record collecting and generally shopping around and getting recs off friends is another way, if you have friends that are musicians/into music

>>72579545
yeah those generals are the kind of thing i'm talking about- some good discussion (although being generals they do have a tendency to develop thread-killing memes internally) and people who actually know what they're talking about. if those threads made up the bulk of the board we'd be doing good.

all the sub-24s enjoy hiphop, trap, and techno so its pretty easy to hide their threads

>>72579624
You can tell the underage naivety of most of the posters on the board when a lot of the threads are
>[image] thoughts /mu/?
>why does /mu/ hate [artist/album]
>what does /mu/ think of [artist/album]

>>72579635
>techno
what's wrong with techno

>>72579564
look up some labels you like some bands from, follow the new stuff they sign and try and get into the bands they already have that you've never listened to. there are some good radio shows that play 0-plays-tier bandcamp shit that i sometimes get obscure recs from, too.

sometimes i'll also just pick a genre tag on bandcamp and look for intriguing album covers/ band names

none of these are reliable for finding stuff you'll actually like, to be fair, but neither is /mu/, and it's a good way to kill time while avoiding shitposting

>>72579656
yeah it seems like a lot of threads now are just new users trying to get (you)s to fit in or threads trying to bait people into affirming the OP's opinions

>>72578575
4chan is a hub for 16 year olds.
The boards most affected by underage are pol mu v tv and b
Honestly if you post on any of those you should be quarantined from going to other boards.

>>72579676
>look up some labels
this too

labels are a great service to music fans, because if it's a good label it at least guarantees some semblance of quality especially if the label is run by an artist itself

for instance the tight knit garage punk labels have some killer stuff that's barely been listened to

>>72579723
I post on /mu/ yet competently post on /lit/ and /sp/ regularly

>>72579745
got any garage punk label recs?

rec some good threads right now that aren't getting replies. It's become too tedious for me to even bother browsing the catalog.

>>72578575
>/mu/ is pretty much a hub for 16 year year olds now?
yes. look at all the rap posts
but sometimes decent threads pop up

>>72579772
In the Red records have some fantastic stuff from this year

Castle Face is always solid

Burger records do a lot of psychedelic garagey stuff but it isn't limited to that

Goner records are still in the game to my knowedge

check out Bananas Magazine - they give out a lot of good recs

I know this is going to sound rayciss, but hip-hop is almost solely responsible for the decline of this board, in the same way that it is almost solely responsible for the decline of civilization in the US.

The only thing worse than boring, vapid, flavor of the month pop music is boring, vapid, flavor of the month pop music that glamorizes crime, poverty, racism, and ignorance.

>>72579989
thanks man, will check all of that out

>>72579996
no it doesn't sound racist. it sounds asinine and bait-y

>>72579996
I don't know if this is serious or not, but rap really did ruin this board.

>>72579996
Hip-hop was around before this board, and so I don't attribute the decline of this board to hip-hop

I do however point to the so called "critics" that this board placed faith in, and how they've become contradictory vessels for their own opinion

I'm looking at pitchfork and it's mindless pandering to millenial slacktivists
I'm looking at Fantano and his nonsensical and badly reasoned videos which contain so many contradictions it's like the fucking bible
I'm looking at Scaruffi, simply because he's the biggest intellectual pseud there is, and there is absolutely no method to his madness whatsoever

>>72579996
>hip-hop is almost solely responsible for the decline of this board
100% correct
>it is almost solely responsible for the decline of civilization in the US
Highly debatable

>>72580082
Scaruffi's Krautrock and Canterbury scene reviews are fucking top tier

>>72580045
rap didn't ruin this board, 14 year olds insecure in their taste coming here to jump on the bandwagon of soundcloud rap in order to feel superior to their peers were the reason for the changes you're talking about. if any genre had approached the mainstream in a similar way it would've been that which 'ruined' /mu/ and not rap- there's nothing wrong with the music or its content (there's shit music and shit messages in every genre, and in a lot of genres there's also a lot less good music as well)

>>72580145
Enjoy your ban

>>72580111
Fuck off. You would have been laughed off this board for discussing something as normie as Drake 10 years ago. Now there are threads like "YO DRAKE THE REALIST NIGGA IN THE GAME RN. THAT LAST SINGLE WAS STR8 FIRE." and they get more traffic and more discussion than almost any other threads on the board. It's like walking down the hall in a high school and listening to the rich white kids talk about rap.

>>72580105
If you don't have the ability to find that same information elsewhere, you don't deserve to listen to that music anyways

>>72580105
I won't argue that a lot of his reviews aren't well written, it is rather his distinction between what is worthy of praise and what is not that I don't fully understand.

He doesn't make his criteria clear enough, especially for a man who makes it clear that he believes he is propagating absolute truth

>>72580181
yikes newfag straight from youtube comment section reminiscing

and when was the last time was there a Drake thread anyway? the fuck

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I started /mu/ at that age,, but I was a melodic death/ black metal fvr l!f3 kid back then. Shit's crazy to think that was 5 years ago, marnie stern threads were a thing, Lana Del Ray was like praised like biggie, cold play guy was as popular as fantango, nmh was fresh, sunn was . . . sunn, boris threads were a /daily/, /soc/ threads weren't frowned upon yet, the pixies were the shit, the avalanches was a meme, sharepod and alien voodoo were the shit, subpop records didn't suck that bad, crossely public service announcements were common, and everyone had a townes record

>>72580226
This board died when elitism died.

>>72580237
This.

Elitism wasn't always fun but it did it's job

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>>72580237
>>72580260

most discussion on here is derailed by elitism, what the fuck niggas?

>>72580278
>discussion
Elaborate. If you're discussing fucking casual normie shit, it needs to be derailed and you need to be shamed. That's what elitism is.

>>72578954
I'm happy with /groove/ as it is

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>>72579521
Ok man fuck you too

>>72580304
>doesn't know what elitism is
>mental age of 14 detected

>>72580278
Depends what tact of elitism we're talking about. If we're talking making a thread about something and proclaiming it to be superior to something else without any evidence, that is empty elitism, and thus, not elitism.

I like those guys who give evidence for why your taste is bad. Hurts a bit but you come out stronger in the end. It's a learning curve.

>>72580082
>I do however point to the so called "critics" that this board placed faith in, and how they've become contradictory vessels for their own opinion
It's really all down to the memecritics.

There are plenty of good music critics that find great material out there, but people on this board coalesce around the bottom of the barrel pleb ones like Fantano and the well known P4K ones.

>>72580443
>There are plenty of good music critics
definitely, however I think we should be pointing to the average listener to be the final critic of the pieces in question. That's why platforms like RYM are a good idea in theory, but when minds become tainted by "memecritics" as it were, things become a little bit more difficult.

I no joke want to start my own platform of music critique that presents two smaller reviews, one pro and one con, written by professionals in an objective manner.

>>72580436
developing your musical palate is what general threads are for, there's usually always a classical, metal, jazz, etc in rotation. that's where youll find this "elitism" you crave

>>72580508
We've already established earlier on in the thread that the generals are by and large the best thing about /mu/ in its current state.

>>72580531
so why are there people still crying about /mu/ dying?

>>72580543
people cry about anything anytime, especially when they're ignorant on the issue they're discussing

>>72580543
>>72580570
Because of the general state of /mu/

There isn't the same threatening vibe, where your taste could be called out at any moment and you could be exposed as a fraud or a newfag.

I miss the hostility and I want it back.

>>72580633
>I miss the hostility
I bet you think NMH is better than OTC you fucking fag

>>72580633
your taste is shit and yous hould kill yourself lol!
and don't even dare to answer or I'll shag u & ur mom, rofl

/thread, amirite?

>>72580633
nigga what? if anything there needs to be less hostility, people are constantly taste checking each other on here like idiots.

you sound like the guy on the opening pic.

>>72580646
Nah man Dusk is one of my favourite albums of all time.
>>72580678
Again, need I refer you to my statement on empty elitism>>72580436 here

>>72580704
There's nothing wrong with hostility being aimed toward you with a purpose, you just have to hit back with your own purpose or accept that you're wrong. Nobody is asking you to retaliate to shitposting.

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>>72578652
I DON'T CARE ABOUT REAL LIFE

>>72580738
except this isn't the board hivemind, so it doesn't happens

>>72580738
no one ever needs to be hostile when discussing music, that's counterproductive and immature. Just recommend shit and articulate your opinion without being aggressive about it. There's a reason why elitism has negative connotations to it. You can be an anti-normie autist without being a dick about it.

>>72580480
I think music journalists having influence and kids trying to emulate them is the biggest problem with this place. Professional writers know jack shit about music--probably can't even read sheet music--and so their reviews are all cultural B.S., and that's reflected in the discourse I typically witness around here outside of generals. Nobody knows how to articulate a thought about a song because their models are people like Fantano who rattle off buzzword adjectives for 20 minutes or p4k virtue signalling. Generals seem to be free of authority figures.

>>72580799
The hostility is rather negated with the concept of anonymity though wouldn't you agree. It's not necessarily as counter-productive and immature as you think. If nobody was challenging you and your taste (as we've seen happen in the very recent history of /mu/) we start to backtrack, and I think /mu/ has become much less challenging and stimulating because of this collective "circlejerk".

>>72578743
Holy fuck what an autism. This is the type of person that drives away their own friends then wonders why

>>72580181
Lmao this never happens

>>72578575
don't worry, he's gonna be really embarrassed when he sees this in a couple of years

I remember a tripfag called Chulthu (or something like that) who liked grunge, every time he tried to start grunge threads, they were derailed with lolicore. Now people call Nirvana patrician lmao

I remember another tripfag called >slowbro, everyone would mock him for his Daft Punk love, now people unironically call French house patrician lls

>>72580742
Cringe

>>72578575
wow what an oldfag my hero

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Fuck generals

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>>72581101

>>72581101
Without them this board would be nothing but the Pitchfork and Fantano FotM hype forums.

>>72580278
Derailed? Elitism kept this board with a lot less normies, I'm thankful that I left before it became a board for everyone with "top 40" taste

>>72578575
yeah, I see a lot of people saying they first listened to albums in middleschool/highschool that came out 5 years ago. They young here. They young on 4chan in general

>>72581116
And right now it isn't?

>>72581116
Why do these threads need to be persistent like they are? Why do so many generals have off-topic posting and social chatting?

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Let's see em, /mu/

>>72581156
this

>/bleep/ is a quality general the rest of /mu/ needs to take a hint or two from /bleep/
>but /bleep/ has as much shitposting as the rest of /mu/ if not more
>WE DO IT IN ORDER TO SURVIVE IF /bleep/ DIDN'T SHITPOST THERE WOULD BE NO /bleep/

>>72581148
Not in /bleep/, /classical/ or /jazz/

>>72581156
Because if you enjoy those genres, you hang around for people who want to chat about them. Nothing past the most entry-level artists get posted about on the board otherwise.

>>72581132
you guys think it's either neckbeard elitism asshole or top 40 normie when it should be in the middle for various reasons that facilitates interesting and funny conversation

in a real world setting your hostile internet antisocial elitism is actually seen as cancer in enlightening conversation

>>72581188
As the guy above you said, /bleep/ is fucking awful and probably the third worst after /kpop/ and /daily/. Just a load of underaged kids talking about drugs and clubbing and occasionally someone posting a youtube link to a """banger"""

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>>72581170

>>72581156
people have nothing to say but still feel the need to post
the level of chit chat usually indicates the percentage of american posters in a given thread

>>72581188
The only remotely ok general you listed is /jazz/. /bleep/ needs ironic memes and /soc/ shit in order to stay active, /classical/ needs /pol/ shit and dickmeasuring elitism in order to not 404. /jazz/ has little to none shitposting while maintaining generally quality discussion. Coincidentally it often happens to die without reaching 200 posts, then the next day someone make a new general and the whole business is repeated.

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>>72581170
This isn't even all of them now, cba to take a new screenshot

>>72581209
Yet its still better at dance music discussion than the other 150 threads on the board.

>>72581188
>putting the shitpile that is /bleep/ on par with /jazz/ and /classical/
FUCK

OFF

TURNY

>>72581218
>
>>72581239

so basically anyone who likes classical or bleeps should leave 4chan because there is no place for them here?

>>72581239
And that takes away how bad it is?
>>72581195
Most of the people on /mu/ that have rightfully called you out for having lame taste are either pretty well adjusted (CLT) or their life is in shambles (blogchat)

>>72580973
It happens often. How new are you?

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>>72581239
>discussion
Where?

>>72559209

>>72581248
Does it bother you that I post in all 3 as well?

>>72579581
Peoples attention span is shit, we like "new" and "fresh" which is funny since most new trendy shit is nostalgic

>>72581248
turny posts in /groove/, not /bleep/

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>>72581218
>you want to contribute but you're too entry-level and would probably misinform/mislead someone.

>>72581239
Probably not true because there are loads of people who just hate the general.

And even if it was true then it's still sad. Why do you guys feel the need to wall yourselves off into little sub-boards rather than just enjoying the board as a whole? It's the main reason /mu/ (and any board with loads of generals) kinda feels soulless these days.

>>72581239
It's not perfect, there's memery and shitposting being justified as bantz, but I trust the posters there could manage to sincerely discuss a topic when given the opportunity

>>72581261
>>72581273
Outside of /bleep/ there are no threads at all.

>>72581284
So you fucking lurk more, you're a good user by not posting. We need more people like you. I remember when I first came here and I posted about three times in my first year.

>>72581285
Okay, start a techno or house thread on the board and see how that works out for you.

>>72581170
Why even get on then

>>72581273
It reads like a fucking IRC circlejerk.

>>72581273
Right now there is a discussion on turntables/cdjs, an integral part of dance music, how is that not related discussion?

>>72581321
Because there's more to the board than the generals I don't have enough knowledge to constructively add to?
Not that hard to understand

>>72581333
>
>>72581294
>>72581310

>>72578269
>>72578269

>>72581310
>Guys there aren't many users that listen to our genre
>In fact there are so few that I believe a standard thread about it would get next to no replies
>But don't worry, I have a solution!
>We will make sure there is constantly a thread up about our genre that so few users want to talk about!
>This might mean we have to post some off-topic stuff so it doesn't 404, but that's definitely a worthwhile sacrifice

>>72579989
Give props to Castle Face and Burger and all you have to say about Goner is you think they're still around. Get some taste fuckwit.

>>72581364
So you think everyone who likes classical, jazz, bleeps, funk/soul and all the other genres that can't survive without a general should leave.

and back to the start we go >>72581116

>>72581310
There are ways to start a successful thread on a subject. By making it interesting, or by turning it into a semi-sharethread for example. The problem is that Turny is a boring troglodyte who is incapable of writing more than 5 word questions when starting a thread and posting shitty genre charts which is why his threads 404 so quickly.

Before /bleep/ there used to be weekly /bass/ and rinse.fm generals, I'd take those over the shit we have right now any fucking day.

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>>72581383
>generals suck
>this general I liked was fine! xD

They were the same thing with the same B&B posters and a general, the fuck you talking?

>>72581336
>5 posts of niche discussion justify 500+ posts of lls, ffs, wew and lad
nice

>>72581382
4chan is fast-moving imageboard, not a long-term discussion forum. If there aren't many people who want to have a thread about a genre then I'd rather they posted somewhere else than have their silly little general constantly up. I think the website you're maybe looking for is reddit, or perhaps just a standard internet forum.

>>72581397
>2017 /bleep/
>B&B posters
Hardly m8.

>>72581383
lmao don't blame this shit on me, I've never even liked techno and stopped lurking /bleep/ after cornettogate

/bleep/ would be fine if they acted as a containment general similar to /kpg/, but no they have to invade threads whenever someone mentions them or talks about techno in any thread outside of /bleep/

worst general tbqh

>>72581409
better than nothing, it's not like the board was limited in storage space

what would probably improve greatly 4chan in general would be an automatic r9k like moderator than doesn't allow 2 identic posts imo

>>72581421
So you DO think /mu/ should be a shoutbox for p4k/fantano FotM reviews, okay.

>>72581425
fuck off turny

>>72581195
What facilitates conversation is having people with some degree of intelligence in a discussion, a normie who knows nothing about music doesn't contribute anything to a discussion. If you get rid of them there's more interesting topics that can be talked about.

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>>72581273
Wow it really is some pure grade autism in there

>>72581444
No

>>72581441
>a shoutbox for p4k/fantano FotM reviews
believe it or not but fantano and p4k threads host more discussion on the average and contain more words per post than
>>72581273

>>72578575
I came here in 2013 and stuck around for a year or two because my taste ended up in more RYM territory than /mu/, made a few last.fm friends and bounced

current /mu/ is even more p4k garbage than older (not old, but older) /mu/ was, at least they aimed for depth and elitism back then

shit man we used to have theory threads and real substantive discussion with jazz guy and clt and btrl and motih and cottonwoods and weeabooscum and now it's just shit

>>72581471
I know, this thread here showed what a bunch of mindless drones neo-/mu/ are

>>72578382

I was just getting to the root of your bitching. Shame you retards didn't stay on youtube desu

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>>72581486
>clt
>btrl
>discussion

incorrect

>>72581518
Fantano did more damage to the board than either of them

I remember when /kpg/ first came to /mu/ and I think present day /mu/ actually has a worse average post quality than /kpg/

>>72581518
memes aside they were pretty knowledgeable
but nobody was anywhere near jazzguy (I forget his actual name but it was something close to that)

>>72581529
It's true, but the age of Hampus sucked.

I miss Jake.

>>72581542
Right, because a guy who like chart girly pop and used /mu/ as a board to practise chatup innuendos was what the music board really needed.

>>72581515
it's almost like caring about the quality of a latvian snowshoeing image board wasn't actually worth it and there's always going to be retards
threads like these never create any meaningful change

>>72581554
>>72581542
>>72581533
Pope was the best /mu/ trip to ever live, let's be honest.

>>72581529
so you think the forced pleb/patrician dichotomy introduced by clt did less damage than an idiot spouting his opinions on another platform tthan 4chan?

>>72581556
I didn't start the thread and never expect it to change a thing, metathreads like this have existed since 2008 its just like everyone else here, I've got nothing better to do

>>72581542
Hampus was fine until his ego ballooned, his taste was excellent and if you could sucker him into an irony-free music discussion he was fantastic

>>72581554
His top artists on last.fm are Bach, world's end girlfriend, Satie, and John Cage
maybe we have different definitions of girly pop (this coming from someone who likes girly pop)

>>72581569
No worse than a board of mindless drones spouting fantano memes and basing their libraries around what a youtube vlogger thinks

>>72581569
well yeah, because clt at least helped strengthen board culture and knew his shit while fantano is h3h3 but for music

>>72581584
I was talking about Jake, not Hamp

these meta threads are so cancerous.

>>72581619
inorite, it should be another Gorillaz thread

>>72581554
He was also very active in sharethreads back before they were shit (where I mostly posted)

>>72581627
why do you think a Gorillaz thread is the only option?

>shitty meme logic

>>72581642
Because we've already established this board is a p4k/fantano shoutbox forum and no one likes bleeps, jazz, classical, funk/soul, trad folk or anything else

>>72581656
yeah thanks for demonstrating again why these meta threads are cancerous

>>72581567
But that's not Banjoman

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>>72578820
>12 when first started browsing /b/
>now 20

>>72579996
>the same way that it is almost solely responsible for the decline of civilization in the US
Who could possibly be gullible enough to buy into that idea?

>>72580304
>elitism derailed your casual normie shit thread
>elitism is dead though

Metathreads always make me wonder just what it is people want instead, because I don't see anything out of the ordinary being posted and 404'ing with no replies.

there is absolutely no reason to come here once you've found music that suits your taste, because you can explore music in cataloging websites rather than here, where the only recommendations are given by people trying to propagate their own taste. in chart threads, for example, they're giving others albums that bridge the gap between their taste and the taste of the individual they're recommending an album to.

>>72582676
4chan always has and is for wasting time.

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>>72581515
Just finished reading that thread. How do we kill the drones, guys?
Do we start ruining p4k, scaruffi, and fantano threads till they stop making them like a couple people did to kill /noise/ for a while?

>>72578575


/mu/ needs to stop being pretentious and take the dadrock pill. So many people on mu care more about aesthetics and mood rather than interesting structure or satisfying riffs.

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>>72581964
>ban anyone who makes kpop threads or participated in kpop threads, for life, urge trump to antagonize north Korea to the point they nuke south Korea, ending the nightmare for good

>Make the sub 24 year old millennials realize (c)rap sucks and white people talking and acting like niggers is the cringest thing on the planet and maybe they should explore other fucking genre that are made by niggers.

>Make hipsters realize poptamism is a capitalist scheme to ruin music by making everyone a brain dead consumer.

>post gore everyday till the normalfags leave, go back to when mu was weird and cool, and didnt talk like a gay faggot who discovered 4chan in 2016

>>72582676
at this point i'm just here for the sharethreads

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The average user of /mu/ is fourteen.

>>72580875
One hardly needs to be able to formally read sheet music to give cogent comments.

>>72583950
It would virtually never come up but I'd still like to know the curators of taste have a solid understanding of what they're critiquing. I guess you could counter that with the ol' "you don't need to be a chef to know what food you like" argument then, but at least it makes discussion more meaningful.

>>72578703
hmmm idk i feel like the overly political shit as a recent phenomenon and before that /mu/ could appreciate a political album even if its politics aren't agreed upon. so maybe getting back there isn't a bad idea.