>23 minutes do people actually watch this shit? why listen

>>72564467
they are in it for the memes fool

>>72564467
>are you perhaps too dumb to form your own opinion and are looking for pseudointellectual garbage to parrot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRhuFj2tG2A

Let's make another thread about him.

so what did you think of DAMN OP?

I admit my brain can't form opinions on music but some reviewers can express what I feel better but I rarely watch them cause they are too long and I forget that I was actually listening
I dont think I am dumb but I am just not good to analyze or express and these things open my mind to different opinions

>>72564467

Don't youtubers get more ad revenue for longer videos? That's why tons of youtubers make obnoxiously long videos these days. I honestly skim thru most Fantano vids tho. He's not a hot pornstar woman with massive titties, I ain't watching him for more than 5 minutes

what a melon

>>72564467
there is nothing wrong with indepth reviews
actually the only good reviews are long ones

>>72564508
liked it, even though it's not really my favorite genre.
there.

you don't need to write a 60 pages paper to enjoy music. and if you can't enjoy music without having incredibly intricate opinions about it, i'm sorry for you. must not be fun.

>are you perhaps too dumb to form your own opinion and are looking for pseudointellectual garbage to parrot?
I dont like fantano but this is always such a dumb argument

People read/listen to critics because they appreciate their insights/opinions on an artist, not because they "can't think for themselves". Like if I take a class on medieval literature, I'm taking it because I'm interested in the topic and want more in-depth analysis and discussion of it, not because I'm trying to meme myself into liking it.

LET ME PUT THE HEAD IN

>>72564552
this
either op didn't graduate middle school or doesn't like music that much

>>72564467
>posting on 4chan
why do that when you could be giving your full attention to an album?

>>72564527
Nah those are lazy, doesn't leave anything to the listener, Christgau's reviews are the best cause they just get a couple of original observations and leave the rest to the listener

Fantano fills up the video time with context and bullshit descriptions that go by the formula: "Verb, adjective, noun"
For example saying stuff like "Spiralling dark synths" and "Punching thick drums"

Also Fantano can't judge lyrics for shit he gave the new father John misty a 9 ffs

Pseudo-intellectual is right

Do you not enjoy discussing things that you and your friends are passionate about together. Fantano serves that purpose for many people. Then there is the separate issue of those who rely on him to inform there own opinions. But that's mainly young kids who are still finding themselves.

>>72564552
shut up pussy nigga. I don't need an in depth discussion to like music or understand it. I'm already smart enough to know what I like.

>>72564588
pseudo intellectual is losing its meaning because you retards use it indiscriminately for anyone who is eloquent, go kys please.

>another "why do you watch/read critics" thread

can we please stop this shit

>>72564467

Fantano's shitty reviews are better as music than nigger rap albums.

>>72564467
>tangentially relevant
lol, nice vocab. too bad you used the word wrong.

>>72564588
>Christgau's reviews are the best because they say as little about the music as possible and defeat the purpose of reading a review
fantano's cancer but so is this opinion
christgau is just an old hard-nosed Classic Liberal with too many biases to take seriously

>>72564616
friend: hey this new mexican restaurant opened up last week and its really good, you would like it
you: DUDE SHUT UP I KNOW WHAT I LIKE DONT TELL ME WHAT TO LIKE

this scenario assumes you have friends, of course

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>>72564640
>cancer

>>72564652
ok but that's my friend. I don't need some random nerd on the internet telling me his dumb opinion. what makes him any better than me? I don't even know him.

>>72564635
>lol, nice vocab. too bad you used the word wrong.
being ESL and having bad English doesn't invalidate my opinion lol

>>72564679
change your reddit filenames next time xo

>>72564679
>this e-celeb said cancer once so nobody should say the word ever again

Heeere comes summer agaiiiin....

>>72564714
>summer boogieman
just kill yourself already. do you think that out of all the boards on 4chan to go to, kids are going to come to mu? accept that we have idiots on the board year round.

>>72564688
Except your opinion is objectively wrong. Why would the entirety of a review be ''''directly'''' relevant to an album's music? That would be a bland and banal review. Also, I would argue the majority of his review *is* directly relevant to the album's music.

>>72564640
He has intelligent nuanced taste, what do you think his biases are, he has much better taste than Fantano definitely

>>72564741
if you had been here for more than 6 months you would know that that's exactly what happens
other boards are hit worse than us though

>>72564741
Dude, I'm new here.

>>72564741
the fuck? /mu/ is infested by kids, just like /b, /pol/ and /tv/

>>72564534
my guy, you listen to the album, then watch the review, they don't cunt into each other time wise.
we are interested in fantanos opinion so we watch him

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>>72564689
>I care about filenames

>>72564691
Yes, he was the obnoxious peak of the word's usage.

>>72564683
Who says he's "better" than you? That's not the point, its not about who has the "best" opinions, it's about having a discussion (not in a literal sense obviously, but when you read a critic's take on an album, you're weighing it against your own opinion). You have this notion stuck in your head that the role of a critic is to force his opinion down your throat when he is simply sharing an opinion.

And it's not even a matter of taste sometimes. I love to read Lester Bangs' essays but that doesn't mean I agree with him on everything. I may not like The Clash all that much but he wrote about them in a very interesting way and I gained a lot of insight into them based on that.

>>72564763

>Christgau
>intelligent nuanced taste

lmao

>>72564773
t. 20 year old that thinks he's an adult

>>72564860
t. manchild

>>72564789
I listen to the album and the review at the same time. stupid Kendrick gets in the way of Anton's speech though so I turned the volume down to get my opinion on the album.

>>72564804
He was one of the first critics to champion hip-hop and punk when other critics were dismissing them
Championed Kanye from The College Dropout and 808s too again when others wrote it off
There's tons of examples where he was on the cutting edge and he continues to be

>>72564954

hip-hop and punk is/was not the "cutting edge"

>>72564937
good post tbqh

>>72564467
I likes Fantano, but you made a good point.

>>72564573
>implying the majority of people on here dont shitpost 99% of the time while listening to albums

>>72565003
They were then and hip hop is the cutting edge rn too, it's the genre that's experiencing the most growth and innovation

>>72565003
You probably listen to bish bosch and merzbow and think you're too intelligent to be understood, hip-hop is the best thing out now and punk was in the 70s and it led to post-punk

>>72565068
>i can't read: the post

nobody care what melon head has to say anymore. i only watch him for memes and cal.

>>72565125
>>72565096

so apparently you guys are willfully ignorant of classical music in the last 50 years

What we've learned ITT is that OP is a retarded third-worlder attempting to simulate intelligent thought by ironically calling other people pseudo-intellectuals.

>>72565191
it's called classic for a reason. only dusty ass niggas listen to that shit.

>>72565204
OP's on point, you're defensive for a reason.

>>72565216
>dusty

go back to KTT Music

i dont like music reviews. they're for people who want their opinion handed to them. if you want some in depth discussion, talk to a peer about music. don't listen to some guy tell you about music and then you can't even respond to him because he's hiding behind a screen

>>72565191
Classical music has no cultural relevance now, there's only 12 notes and getting an orchestra to play them in as many different orders as possible isn't exactly 'innovative'
Turn of the 20th classical music was quite innovative but it's all been done now, we just need different sicks beats these days

>>72565234
OP can be 100% accurate in his premise and my point still stands.

kill yourself, OP

>>72565327
you sound really insecure.

>>72565400
How?

>>72564467
Kendrick listeners don't know batshit about music and they are just tasteless nu-males who listen to whatever pitchfork shoves down their throat so yeah even that bald faggot is a reliable source for them to form an opinion

>>72564467
I only watch the first few seconds of his videos to see what kind of variation of his name he'll come up with next

>>72565296
So if I were to talk to a friend about music thats cool but if he writes me an essay with his thoughts on an album, thats not cool. Why?

>>72565408
you just sound like a drama queen when you say things like KYS when no one really said anything that offensive or outlandish. It's just childish sounding.

>>72565479
naw it's still cool because he started a discussion. fandingo just feeds opinions to you. now if you take what fandingo says and talk to someone else about it then that's fine.

>>72565310

>Classical music has no cultural relevance now

*in pop culture

there's a whole world out there that isn't forcefed to you by radio and TV anon

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>watching album reviews
>not watching superior album reactions

>>72566223
this

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Alotta mellon hate lately but he's one of the few to actually give DAMN. a score that it deserved and wasnt jumping on the kendrick dick riding with everyone else post butterfly. I respect that he puts his opinion out even if it makes fanboys butthurt and slam that dislike button.

I dont take music critics opinions too seriously as a whole anyway, but enjoy hearing others opinions on music none the less as it kind of expands your own experience. If you really hate that concept then why are you even posting on a board devoted to the discussion of music? For the ebin memes?

>>72566223

hahaha le big fat black man yelling and jumping so funny!! xD

>>72564467

23 minutes is like the length of the average TV show episode, it's not that long

>>72566046
What cultural movement in classical music has there been in the last 50 years? (Apart from people moving on from it) Also you didn't mention how I pointed out it isn't innovative anymore, classical music is like dad rock and modern classical music is like the foo fighters

>>72566578

I'm not talking about "cultural movements" I'm talking about actual musical innovation, ya know the shit that's gonna matter and make a difference in the long run. popular music is just a big circus act.

>>72566609
Me too, what innovation? That's the question, there's been none in that area and there's been a lot in hip hop

>popular music is just a big circus act

E D G Y and original opinion, you probably think the Beatles were crap then? Also Stevie Wonder and Kanye? Beyoncé s/t album and Rihanna's ANTI are amongst the best of the decade

You seem pretty bigoted in your #woke "meh pop music suxxxx" opinion that you're ignoring innovation when it's right in front of you, pretty ironic

>>72567010

The Beatles were decent, Kanye is great, Beyonce is okay, but that doesn't change the fact that no innovation in popular music is REAL innovation, it's just innovations from classical music being recontextualized/watered down. There's nothing wrong with listening to pop music but you're really doing yourself a disservice as a music fan if you don't seek out the much more exciting classical and jazz stuff.

>>72567056
Again, like what? What classical and jazz innovations has there been in the last 50 years musically exactly? Completely dodging the question again cause you don't know what you're talking about

>The Beatles were decent

Hahaha listen to 'Tomorrow Never Knows' completely amazing, innovative, original and popular

Obviously Kanye is brilliant so what classical or jazz innovation did he steal from, according to your theory, in order to make My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy?

You are being vague and not making sense, it's ok to just admit you're wrong

>>72567056
exciting to you maybe. what makes innovation in that genre any more substantial than anything else?

>>72564683
Then why are you watching his videos then? There are people who don't think his opinions are dumb, and obviously they enjoy watching them. Get the stick out of your ass, faggot.

>>72567158

>What classical and jazz innovations has there been in the last 50 years musically exactly?

totalism, spectralism, indeterminacy, post-minimalism, etc.

>Hahaha listen to 'Tomorrow Never Knows' completely amazing, innovative, original and popular

the fact that you think that just makes me think you haven't listened to much music in general

>>72567158

>Obviously Kanye is brilliant so what classical or jazz innovation did he steal from, according to your theory, in order to make My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy?

the orchestral arrangements and electronics on that album all have their roots in classical, in fact they are laughably basic compared to what classical has done with them.

>>72567218
>totalism, spectralism, indeterminacy, post-minimalism, etc.

None of those are sonic innovations, they're just philosophies about how the music can be composed
Use of autotune is an example of a real sonic innovation made in popular music in the last 20 years

>Tomorrow Never Knows

Your reply says absolutely nothing about the content, what makes it lack innovation according to you?

The arrangements on MBDTF draw from many sources but are innovative in of themselves, their aren't that many orchestral arrangements on the album it's mainly electronic drums, manipulated vocals and instrumentation and intricate sampling which are all pop and hip hop innovations (actual sonic ones too)
The electronics don't have their roots in classical, electronic music has transcended classical a long time time ago at this point, classical music right now is outdated, irrelevant and not a source of innovation.

>>72567485
not arguing with you but what makes MBDTF so innovative? do I need to understand music theory to 'get it'?

>>72564467
your school's internet blockers are shit- why the fuck isn't 4chan blocked there

>>72567527
No, you just must be black and retarded at the same time. Or an insecure white kid.

>>72567576
the latter is probably right- this is 4chan

>>72567527
The sampling and how the beats are layered, he did some great experimental stuff like the 3 minute vocoder outro at the end of Runaway and just how far he pushed auto tune when people didn't believe in it

>>72564467
I never watch his reviews past three minutes in. He's just insufferable. I always skip to the end, and when he isn't being a pretentious prick he puts the score in the description and the deal is over.

>>72567485

>None of those are sonic innovations, they're just philosophies about how the music can be composed

haha what? you have no clue what you are saying

>electronic drums, manipulated vocals and instrumentation and intricate sampling which are all pop and hip hop innovations

classical did all of this first, literally

>>72564802
>getting so embarrassed he changed the filename for this image

aw

>are you perhaps too dumb to form your own opinion
somewhat yes, on that note how do i learn to appreciate the intricacies and artwork in music
most of the time i just think "oh that sounds good or bad." and then move on to the next album

>>72564635
Nah he used it right, tangentially means related but not fully - thus the phrase going off on a tangent etc.
Spanglebango is a hack anyway

>>72567540
>not downloading tor to browse 4chan at school