Is there a clear distinction beetween sludge and stoner or are

sludge is faster and has a hardcore punk influence

sludge is more punk while stoner is more doom/sabbath worship

good stoner reccs for someone who likes to fuck to sleep and electric wizard pls??

>>72534317
This.
Stoner is more oriented towards '60s/'70s heavy rock, with a clear psychedelic imprint but a modern, "agressive" sound. It can be more or less upfront. Think about Kyuss.
Sludge is more "evil" (doom influences), less accessible. It brings nihilism themes from its hardcore punk roots and when it goes psych it takes itself WAY more seriously. Think about Neurosis.

If you have trouble with getting the difference when you listen to a HURR stoner/sludge band, just ask yourself: can you associate this music with running on a motorbike?

>>72534496
Yeah this guy nailed it

>>72533266
Massive pleb. There's obviously clear differences between both genres. Just listen to eyehategod raw, dissonant and aggresive albums and compare them to the bluesy and almost psychedelic sound of sleep.

>>72534317
>>72534496
Thanks guys, i finally get it now.
>>72534596
I didn't say there was no difference, just that the terms seemed kind of vague depending on the band(Melvins in this case). Of course i never saw thought Sleep were stoner.

>>72534379
belzebong

>>72533266
>vague labels made up by critics?
This describes most genres.

>>72534663
>i never thought Sleep weren't stoner
fixed

>>72534688
slower and heavier?

>>72534379
bongzilla

Sludge is not faster. Electric Wizard may be super slow, but Kylesa can be pretty fucking fast.

They both focus on big, distorted, noisy, sludgy guitars. The real difference is, stoner metal has a psychedelic element, and it's honestly usually more conventional with song structure. A lot of sludge borders on experimental noise or drone music. Because of this, sludge is almost inevitably more challenging and underground.

>>72534958
>Electric Wizard may be super slow, but Kylesa can be pretty fucking fast
isn't Electric Wizard more of a stoner band though?

>>72535047
Yes, but they're still way slower than most any other band with the stoner title. Way slower than even Sleep. Also, I know the stoner rock/metal line blurs, but some stoner groups like Fu Manchu border on fast garage punk. The thing that makes them stoner isn't the pace, it's the psychedelia, the hard rock, the heaviness, and the sludgy guitars.