"I've met a lot of dumb people," Cobain told Melody

>>72501473
"I've met a lot of dumb people," says the guy who thought music theory was irrelevant

>>72501473
Just because he's famous doesn't mean his opinion is any better than some random Joe. His view of dumb is different from other people's view of how some dumb would be. Fucking dumb.

>>72501485
Kurt was right though. True innovators don't need to read textbooks to be good musicians. it's just a theory, pleb.

Dylan can't read music.

>>72501473
says the guy who can't point a shotgun in the right direction

>>72501473
So basically he thinks people who aren't insecure pussies are dumb. Sounds like the kind of guy who would blow his brains out yup.

>>72501520
t. 15 year old edgelord

>>72501485
but it is desu, hes nirvana not dream theater

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>>72501520
>>72501659
I'm p sure you two don't actually know what music theory is

The more I hear about Kurt Cobain the more I realise he spent his his life acting like menstrual tumblr girl as a grown adult. Watch that clip of him vs the bodyguard where he hits him on the head with his guitar like a cocky shit, then acts like a little bitch victim when the guard justifiably starts beating into him (then chris and dave have to come to the rescue for shit he started.) It's fucking pathetic, I can't believe at one point I thought he was cool. Glad I never took too much influence from him.

Nirvana is literally the worst "grunge" band.

And even if you dont realize Alice in Chains and especially Cantrell/Staley are leagues above him heres another pill to swallow.

Grunge isnt even the most influential genre at that time, it was fucking Stoner.

He has a point. It's a bit cynical but anyone who is realistic about life's struggles have been cynical at one point or another.

>>72501757
Theyre right though
Music theory is descriptive, not prescriptive

>>72501485
You realize most guitarists know basic music theory right? They don't just go out there and randomly hit notes.

>>72503517
no they're not right, dude said you need to read textbooks and it's just a "theory"

>>72501473
>It's another "edgy sadfag thinks he's smarter than everyone else" episode

This guy needs to kill himself

>>72503547
But music theory is just that, a theory
There is no proof for music

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physically, socially, economically, women never liked me, i understand. You reach a point where you stop caring, or you kill yourself, im too much of a coward to kill myself. You have to live your life. Im content with not doing anything, staying at home, waiting for death.
I know im a failure.
If i went out it would be a waste of time, no one would talk to me, especially women, im nothing, im a pariah. So why not stay in a place where you are happy. I sometimes wonder if kurt was a moron, he is incredibly good looking but had sever low self esteem. He is pretty much using the"lol dude just b urself" argument.
"lol dude just go outside and get a gf, its easy"

>>72503590
lol, yeah you don't know what music theory is

google it man

>>72503590
>There is no proof for music
What? Is this some post ironic shitposting?

>>72503608
No because like the 'theory' of evolution it's just a theory you choose to believe

Show me some evidence for this 'theory'

>>72503590
2/10

>>72503658
Why are Bible thumpers here? This site is truly irredeemable.

>>72501473
Everyone lowkey know KC is overrated. This dude just ripped off the Melvins and Mudhoney. If you put on his entire discography on shuffleplay, you KNOW the song is going to be about one of the following:
>muh aimless depression
>muh perpetual teenage angst
>huh huh heroin
>sex with junkie whores
>muh Catcher in the Rye
>cover song of superior musician
>i'm too stupid to figure shit out so i'm just going to scream random words
>here's this book i didn't read but iggy pop told me about.

>>72501473
He was the dumb one though.

>>72503803
Also, for people that don't understand music theory and call KC a genius, here's what he does:
-tune his guitar to some random dissonant tuning
-play standard major-minor chords
-voila, "avant garde"

lol what's up with the Kurt hate?

>>72501520
Music theory isn't "just a theory" about sounds causing reactions in humans. That has very little to do with it. Just because "theory" is in the title doesn't mean it's some vague idea.

Music theory is the practice of putting labels on scales/chords/rhythms/chord-progressions so you can move quicker when creating music and talking about music.

Whether or not you want to, you automatically learn it as a musician. The only way you couldn't learn it is if you were deaf, mute and had no access to other people or the internet. Of course, most self-taught musicians already embrace music theory and learn it on their own. Those who don't just have a poor understanding of it and progress at a slower pace.

You're forced to reinvent the wheel when centuries' worth of musicians have already created what you think is innovative and surpassed it.

Music theory doesn't have to be prescriptivist, and often isn't.

>>72503875
Good post :)

>>72501520
>climate change is just a theory senpai

>>72503595
Good blogpost

>>72503835
>-tune his guitar to some random dissonant tuning
He never did this. He literally just played power chords in standard tuning for his entire career.

>>72504107
In Utero is standard Eb with drop DB though

>>72501485
Actually his songs loosely conform to two species counterpoint, but he was copying The Beatles, who were guided by music scholar George Martin.

>>72504171
I mean two voices counterpoint

>>72503875
Yeah that's cool, but it's just a theory. Plus, Music theory itself is subjective. You can't be this autistic, right?

>>72504193
If you don't know music theory, you're going to sound like any other "creative" soundcloud musician. Once you realize that the music you make is shit, say 10 years from now, you will never want to listen to the daisy-chain stoner tripe you made again.

>>72503835
I dont think anyone thinks Nirvana or Kurt Cobain were avant garde at all. Also, do you have an example of a song where he does what you describe?

>>72501473

Tip: none of them are actually happy. Kurt was just too autistic to understand that people put on a good show for others so as to not burden everyone around them, like he did.

>>72503835
Kek no one has ever called nirvana "avant-garde". Their music is really musically simple but effective.

>>72503835
>avant-garde
what

>>72501520
>it's just a theory, pleb.
lol you are retarded.

>>72503288
You need to be +18 to browse this board

>btw stoner became a "thing" when the 90s ended

>>72504193
That's like saying algebra is just a theory. If you're trying to create a certain sound, it's easier when you already have labels on certain patterns that help you remember them. Otherwise, you're left to guess via trial and error, which takes more time.

Why do you insist on being slow? Are you really this retarded?

>>72503288
lol MUH glam meta---- HOLY KEK GUYS WE NEED TO START ACTING DARK AND STRAANGGGEEE MUH GRUNGE IS GETTING BIG.

>>72504913
The answer is yes for anyone who refuses to learn "music theory," yet still wants to make music. They're legit too dumb and lazy to learn.

>>72504900
Nirvana is literally "I'm 13 and I hate my parents" music

>>72504913
algebra is 100% constant, there are rules that must be followed or the end result will not be correct. There are zero exceptions. If music theory is right 100% of the time, why can I play notes and chords out of key and still sound in tune?

>>72504994
go away

>>72504943
I know music theory though.

>>72505024
nice argument faggot

>>72505046
go away

>>72504171
>>72504107
>>72503835

posts like these make me laugh because they only demonstrate how completely fucking useless music theory is when it comes to understanding why one song or artist is better than another

and no, i don't mean objectively better (according to your theory), i mean subjectively - in the case of Nirvana they are liked en masse by huge swathes of the public, and why? your theory cannot tell me, according to you it's just basic rudimentary shit and of little artistic value

music theory is good for rating music according to music theory, and little else

it will never tell you why people vastly prefer Nirvana over Foo Fighters

>>72504994
music theory isn't constant, otherwise we'd still be listening to those middle age church chorals are whatever. music theory is here to schematize how different styles work

>>72504994
That anon who keeps "arguing" for me is being a little bitch.

Music theory is like algebra in that using algebra to create a 3D figures is much quicker when you know the formulas, instead of just drawing from scratch.

Knowing yout intervals, key centers, chord degrees, scales and modes makes it easier. Like algebra, you're still granted the freedom to create what you want. It's a matter of efficiency and speed.

Quit using the argument that music theory is "just a theory". The word theory has multiple denotations, and you're only focusing on the one that doesn't apply to the term.

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>>72505285
Once again, not what I was arguing about. Algebra can explain why a certain function returns a value, but music theory can not explain what makes a dissonant song catchy. It's merely a schematic, and thus does not need to be followed constantly.

>>72505257
>Nirvana is loved
>your theory can't tell me

Yes it can. Nirvana tends to rely on parallel fifths, pentatonic scales and chromatic movement. That's the harmonic part of music theory.

Another part of music theory is timbre, aka tone. Knowing how distortion is created can help you mimic the same sounds their guitars made if you really want to. Notice how I didn't suggest that the tone creates a certain reaction. Again, I'm speaking from a creative perspective, not a listening perspective.

Honestly, you just seem afraid that music theory will somehow degrade your ability to create.

>>72505257
>Objectively better
>According to your music theory
Please tell me you're just pretending to be retarded. And thanks for confirming you know absolutely nothing about music theory.

>>72505457

knowing theory doesn't necessarily make you a good musician

and if you think Nirvana is just about using parallel 5ths then why do Nirvana not sound like Van Halen?

>>72505495
please explain using only music theory why Nirvana were a great band

>>72505512
I don't consider them to be a great band at all.

>>72505555
exactly, proved my point

>>72505390
how would you know if you're NOT following it if you don't know it? chances are, you "discovery" will be already covered by music theory

I mean
Music theory is just applied physics and theories of waves and acoustics
To say it's any less objective than something like algebra is dumb as fuck; the intent of music theory isn't to explain what sounds good as much as why certain patterns sound good. It's a descriptive tool, not a normative one

>>72505673
yeah and it gave us 12-tet with no periodicity
thanks, music theory

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>>72505257
t. Freshman guitarist at berklee college of music

>>72505672
Never said I didn't know it. lol

>>72505673
algebra isn't subjective, thus, the analogy is pointless.

>>72503875
What the fuck is this? /mu/ isnt for good arguments you shouldve called him a pleb

>>72503707
>preaches the gospel of music theory
>hates on bible thumpers
kek

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>>72503658
>comparing these two things because they both have theory in their name

>>72505499
>and if you think Nirvana is just about using parallel 5ths then why do Nirvana not sound like Van Halen?
Autism: the post

Fellas I gotta say the more I read through this thread the less I fucking understand

>>72504142
>drop d

aka middle school special

>>72502956
This

>>72503569
I have good news anon.

>>72502956
>he spent his his life acting like menstrual tumblr girl
shouldn't this board be praising him, then?

>>72503288
Alice in Chains were barely even Grunge, and they'd say that themselves
Soundgarden were better than Nirvana though

>>72503633
>>72503675
seriously wondering how old are you?

>>72502956
that bodyguard was pulling his hair for no reason. just because he was body surfing and he was probably jealous that he's a loser.

>>72506085
If Kurdt were alive today he would be identify as they/them pronouns

>>72503835
damn King Crimson really fell off

>>72501630
>implying the real 15 year old edgelords aren't the ones who claim you need to play 300 bpm metal with odd time signatures in order to make "real music"

>>72506449
Naaah I don't really see many of those. I do see a lot of 15 year old edgelords wearing nirvana shirts and saying music theory is useless though

>>72506539
>nah I don't really see many of those
>therefore they don't exist
t. 15 year old mealfag

>>72501485
look at all the songs that were playing back then compared to him and tell me he wasn't more real than all of them

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>sees thread devolve into music theory vs. "le music theory is just a theory" fags
>post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49alQj7c5ps

TYB ADAM

>>72506557
t. Nirvanafag who unironically goes to warped tour every summer

>>72504549
endless nameless is the most avant garde thing he's done, along with milk it

>>72506684
nah I grew out of Nirvana after high school

>>72504107
well a few songs are in drop d

>>72503875
But most of the times it's the psychological shit that people are referring to.

>>72505569
What exactly do think I've proven? Music theory doesn't offer a descriptive method for the quality of music, which you for some reason think it does.

>>72505827
Do you also think that physicists belong to a cult?

>>72507089
lol physics and music are waaay wayy different

>>72507066
it doesn't offer a prescriptive method for the quality of music either, so what does it offer?

>>72506742
nirvana is a pretty good noise rock band

>>72506277
He was pissed because Kurt hit his mixing console with his guitar because it worked like shit.

>>72505945
music theory is important and if you want to break the rules you should know the rules first

also claiming that others 'break' the rules or don't need it without knowing knowing the rules yourself means you should instead keep your mouth shut

>>72507157
>"The term is used in three main ways in music, though all three are interrelated. The first is what is otherwise called 'rudiments', currently taught as the elements of notation, of key signatures, of time signatures, of rhythmic notation, and so on. Theory in this sense is treated as the necessary preliminary to the study of harmony, counterpoint, and form. The second is the study of writings about music from ancient times onwards. [...] The third is an area of current musicological study that seeks to define processes and general principles in music — a sphere of research that can be distinguished from analysis in that it takes as its starting-point not the individual work or performance but the fundamental materials from which it is built".

>>72507157
It's amazing for how long you were able to be successful at such lazy baiting. I've been saging since my first reply though.

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>>72502956
>this happened in my city

Both their actions were retarded though. Apparently the guard waited outside with his friends to beat his ass.

"I've met a lot of dumb people", said the guy who shot himself in the head with a shotgun.

>>72504193
Saying Music Theory is just a theory shows you know nothing about it.

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Never met any of these "music theorists" who were semi decent at their instruments, they usually have rhythm problems. Why is this?

>>72501473
The irony is that he got all he thought he was missing and still didn't know how to be happy... that's basically all there was to it. Nothing filled his life. He should have been a carpenter or something...

>>72508255
It was probably just the social climate back then and he brought forth the short skinny guy instead of focusing on the masculine guy like other music. he was just ahead of his time, if only he had waited a few years he would of been the king. every kid born after smells like teen spirit came out is his son.

>>72508300
I agree with you, "you know you're right" really sets the tone for something mature on the way... but alas' heroin.

>>72508200
Yeah dude jazz musicians have so many rhythm problems

>>72508108

ok Mr smart guy, what kind of gun would YOU use

>>72508647
>genre where songs have no basic structure and you can play in any key that you want

>it's a /mu/ argues about music theory again episode
epic

>>72509527
>genre where songs have no basic structure and you can play in any key that you want
Please tell me you're just one of many pretending to be retarded. Songs have no basic structure... Not every jazz musician plays free jazz, you know? Try not keeping time in a jazz band. You'll either get laughed at or have an instrument thrown at you.

>>72509403
A chainsaw gun.

music theory isn't even a proper theory

>>72509558
Just look at this:
>>72507157
>>72503590
>>72506169

you don't need to know music theory to understand and apply it, as proven by countless jazz musicians

>>72503866
He was a whiny little bitch. A feminist. A junky. Probably a cuck. He blew his head off when his kid was little even though it was completely within his power to fix his life and stop being a faggot. Other than some catchy tunes, there's not much to like about Kurt.

>>72509775
t. thinks everyone with depression is just Lazy

>Being happy means you're dumb

I fucking hate people that think that.

>>72503835
Kurt Cobain isn't Lou Reed though...

>>72509793
They are lazy. Lazy means you don't put effort into anything and depressed people dont put effort into anything. Laziness is literally one of the symptoms they check for in depressed people haha

>>72509828
smart people get depressed more

>>72509775
>even though it was completely within his power to fix his life and stop being a faggot
I'm sure everyone thinks that until they lose a son or a brother. Then the jokes on them. It's edgy but it's cold truth.

>>72501485

Music theory is just labels for stuff in music.

>>72509793
I don't honestly care that much I just don't like that he spread his shitty worldview and influenced other people
>>72509856
If they were really smart they'd realize that sitting around, moping, and making yourself feel bad is a waste of your life.

>>72509904
>waste of your life.
please enlighten me, what is life for

>>72509904
Are you like 40 years old? The way you express yourself and your general sentiments are like that of a 40 year old.

>>72509856
No they don't. Higher IQ has been shown to correlate to lower rates of depression. Miserable depressed retards made up that it makes you smart to make themselves feel better and justify their whining.

>>72509888
My dad killed himself 3 weeks ago. I still feel the same way. Like, there are some things that could make your life horrible enough that suicide is a better option, but it's hard to look at a guy who's a millionaire and has all kinds of options and not think that's a dumb choice. It's up to them though. People have a right to die if they want to but I'm not one to sugarcoat and pretend the shit's not retarded

>>72509914
It's not "for" anything. Which is why doing stuff and thinking in a way that makes you feel bad is so stupid. You can choose to do stuff that feels good.
>>72509924
I'm 24

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>>72509948
hit me with your best source, brother
i have plenty, lets start with this one
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gene/23413

>>72501520
> it's just a theory,
Theory means an overarching framework of ideas that is used to explain outcomes. It doesn't mean something that people think but can't prove, ie. the theory of evolution has been irrefutably proven with research and objective data but it is still called a theory because it's an idea that explains phenomena that occurs in the world.

>>72509974
>It's not "for" anything.
then how can you waste it?

>>72510004
By being a LIL BITCH. Think about it. Life is all we got. If you're choosing to do shit that makes you feel bad then you're an illogical moron.

>>72509988
What does your source have to do with depression and IQ? It's just a description of a gene.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1572949
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12707562

Here these took me 2 seconds to find.

If you've ever met a depressed person this should be obvious though. They are fucking incapable of doing anything, constantly make excuses for their behaviour and make ridiculous leaps in logic to justify their emotions.

>>72503288
Grunge isn't even a genre. Some journalist described their music as ''grungy'' and it stuck.

>>72509403
Kek

>>72509951
>there are some things that could make your life horrible enough that suicide is a better option
I'm pretty sure that short of being made a brain damaged vegetable from some sort of fucked up car crash, there's no standard to which you'd agree what "horrible things" may warrant suicide.

>>72510158
>brain damaged vegetable

Well Kurt fulfilled that category

>>72510158
Ehh, maybe a very lengthy prison sentence imo.

>>72510195
Then someone might say prisoners are better off than normal people with such a regimented and provided-for lifestyle.

Might as well just say that suicide altogether is futile.

>>72510072
>Life is all we got.
how do you know that?

fuck, depressing

>>72510236
Idk, to me being stuck in a cage all the time would be pretty awful. Or like, having to live life as a eunuch or severely deformed or something would be pretty shit.
>>72510256
I don't know, but it's all I can prove so that's what I gotta go with, right? It's not so bad anon. Get a hobby. Find some work. Teach yourself to think in a different way.

>>72510236
what if you're getting bum raped daily with no lube?

I'd kill myself if I was in that situation.

Some spoilt skinny cuckold drug addict gets no sympathy from me though.

>>72510256
>Life is all we got.
Realms like heaven and hell haven't been proven to exist, neither has consciousness after death.

>>72510080
that protein is associated with spatial memory and curiosity, and has been linked to bipolar disorder and schizophrenia

from your links:
> For children of mothers with no or less chronic depression, higher IQ was associated with a lower likelihood of depression; in contrast, for children of mothers with a history of more chronic depression, higher levels of IQ were significantly associated with a greater likelihood of depression.
ok, and?

the other one checks out though
maybe you have to be smart first so you can then get depressed and experience the deficit

>>72510329
>what if you're getting bum raped daily with no lube?
you'll warm up to it.

I see you have more respect for pedophiles and crime lords than skinny cuckold drug addicts though.

>>72501485
I should really stop defending Nirvana on this board but fuck you guys are so ridiculous

Music theory is irrelevant, Hendrix didn't know it, the Beatles didn't know it, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>>72503803
>Ripped off melvins and mudhoney

Things contrarians say all the time.

>>72509951
kurts a pussy guys my dad killed himself awww feel bad for me

>>72510817
Kek. Keep slobbering all over that headless feminist's shrunken balls, fag.

>>72511036
Daddy why did you do it what about mommy!!!

>>72511483
:^)