Why is Beethoven's 9th symphony considered the greatest

>>72479918
>Why is Beethoven's 9th symphony considered the greatest composition of all time?
its not. Bach's art of fugue is

The real answer is that there is no one composition that is considered GOAT. There is no general agreement, but instead millions of opinions.

Did you know he was deaf?

>>72479918
>Beethoven's 9th symphony considered the greatest composition of all time
By whom?

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>>72479966
At least one guy.

>>72479918
It's just music. You like what you like, I like what I like :)

>>72479918
>Why is Beethoven's 9th symphony considered the greatest composition of all time?
It isn't, except by plebs who can't into classical and fawn over the last choral movement since
>muh he composed it when he was deaf

The 9th isn't even Beethoven's best symphony.

>>72479982
>plebbit
Please leave.

>>72480113
This. 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th are all probably better. But I very much enjoy the first movement of the 9th.

OP we all have different opinions. Enjoy what you like. :^)

Was Mozart's face ever on a bubblegum card?

>>72479918
It consists of 3 of some of the most sublime symphonic movements ever composed and ends with something totally out there: a 20 minute finale (never been done before in a symphony) that combines orchestra and choir (never been done before in a symphony) that says fuck all to a clear structure (you could argue the structure of the finale in a variety of ways - never been done before in a symphony to my knowledge) while simultaneously culminating and continuing the harmonic and narrative flow started by the first three movements (the three movements are briefly quoted at the beginning before being "rejected" by the cellos which culminates in an easily-singable melody to represent the brotherhood of humanity, D->Bb->D key scheme appears all throughout the symphony). Also keep in mind, performances were a total trainwreck until much later when people figured out how the fuck you perform things. Beethoven's vision literally transcended orchestral capabilities at the time.
These are just some of the ways I've heard people talk about Beethoven's 9th that I find agreeable. I don't necessarily agree that it's "the greatest music ever," though I was absolutely awestruck the first time I heard it all the way through and the first and third movements will never cease to amaze me.

Mozart's Requiem absolutely has potential to be the greatest, but it's kinda marred by the fact that he died halfway through it. Same goes for Art of Fugue, though most of that was completed I think.

>>72479918
I thought it was John Cage's 3'11"?

Mahler's 9th is the superior 9th.

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>>72479918
Did you just finish watching Evangelion, or something?

>>72479918
The actual greatest composition of all time is King Crimson - Starless.

>>72480151
I don't know why people say Mozart was so great. Mozart wasn't so great.

>>72480194
it's 4'33" you moron

>>72480368
wrong but ok

>>72479953
No, Mass in b minor is.

>>72480397
He never got his picture on a bubblegum card did he? How can he be called great if he never even got his picture on a bubblegum card?

>>72480279
but the sax solo fucked the whole thing up

>>72480456
Fine. King Crimson - Larks' Tongues in Aspic.

>>72480413
Missa papae marcelli > mass in b minor

>>72480508
St. Matthew > everything

>>72480542
/thread

>>72480279
>>72480472
That's a weird way to spell In the Court of the Crimson King

>>72480734
I know it can get confusing but this discussion is about BEST compositions not "most overrated"

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>>72480377
Wow I'm really glad you investigated 3'11"

>>72480542
st john tho

also morales requiem

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>>72480456
>sax solo
>fucked up