Why does rap get so much critical acclaim these days? Is it from

>>72273170
It's fun to listen to

lol damn Cam'ron is the shit

>>72273170
whitey mad

>>72273192
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>>72273274
posting from their iphones in jail

Think about who music critics are. They're typically geeky white betas and feminists. As the mainstream culture gets more radically liberal those politics infiltrate every aspect of society including popular music. Liberal whites are pushing minorities in all the arts. Look at what's winning Oscars this year.

>>72273952
What would be paraded if straight male alphas called the shots?

>>72274093
hair metal? jk, uhhh....white alpha males? woof...uhhh....probably rap music

This is going to sound crazy but hear me out.

People like hip-hop. A lot.
Beyond that, people like music you don't like.
That being said, it doesn't stop you from listening to what you like!

I know this is a lot at once so I'll give you some time to mull it over.

simply put there is a movement to be more inclusive and embracing of cultures outside of the previously almost exclusively white music world, and as such different standards have been established when it comes to evaluating music made by minorities or other ethnic groups. rap music isn't judged in the same way as other genres because it's viewed as music made by a group of people who are almost universally at a disadvantage, socially and economically speaking. this is why music that is specifically about things like racial divides, poverty, violence and crime are heralded as 'worldly,' in that they reflect the realities that many black or minority people live. The power of the message tends to outweigh the overall 'music' aspect of their art.

I'm not saying i agree with it necessarily but saying that rap music is all terrible is silly. like i said there is something to be appreciated in understanding someone else's struggle or plight. Tragedy goes back a long ways in art, obviously. Every genre of music is interpreted relatively. Your appreciation of classical music is relative to the standards that we set for what is 'good' or more specifically 'quality.' quality is a weird thing when you really put it under the microscope and the only thing we can really say concretely is that 'quality' is subjective and dependent on the individual and how they subconsciously or even consciously choose to interpret it.

At the end of the day i agree with the sentiment that a lot of rap music and trashy pop like the stuff Future or DJ Khaled put out is really awful, and that stuff that has something more compelling to say is more enjoyable, i can't really put myself in the place of someone who enjoys that stuff and i'm not going to disrespect them directly for it. I'll simply judge them silently and move on.

also Damn. is a 6/10

Because rock is fucking horrible now days.

>>72273170
I guess people are fans of bad grammar and ignorance.

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>>72273170
I care.

>>72274372
Sounds like affirmative action

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they like it

>>72274453
it's affirmative action that has happened organically within our culture. I'm not here to say if it's bad or good, i'm just saying what i think.

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op is a cuck, only response needed

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they like it.

>>72274623
would you really call cosmogramma hip-hop tho?

>>72274372
>almost exclusively white music world
Wtf are you talking about? You millenials love to play the victim. Black people have always been highly represented in American music. 20s-40s Jazz, blues, 60s r&b, doo-wop, 70s soul, 80s funk, 90s rap, holy shit shut your fucking crybaby ass up.

Stopped reading there by the way, liberal faggot.

>>72273170
>intelligent people worshiping the absolute dumbest, trash in society
Rock is pretty stupid

>muh can't listen to anything but classical and jazz
This is how you sound.

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>>72274638
I looked it up it's listed as 10 different genres.
I'm counting it.

>>72273952
>Liberal whites
liberal jews you mean

>>72273170
So, basically what you mean, OP, is that you can't even count on five (5) fingers how many rap/hip hop albums you've listened to?

>>72274372
>previously almost exclusively white music world
When was this precisely? Seriously, how recently do you think it was that black musicians could not expect to be able to attain any mainstream credit?

Also, even when they couldn't, I doubt black people gave a fuck what whitey thought of their music. I'm not advocating separate but equal music industries, but there's literally no valid reason to push for blacks in the "white music world". Think about it, either blacks and whites just used to listen to different music, or there were in fact "two worlds", what you're pushing tacitly says there was just a white music world and nothing else, which kind of belittles turn of the century black culture imo.

>are almost universally at a disadvantage, socially and economically speaking.
nice meme

>in that they reflect the realities that many black or minority people live
*believe they live in. Just because Joe Bob thinks whites are being oppressed and sings about it doesn't make it so, and I invalidate all "lived experiences" equally.

>The power of the message tends to outweigh the overall 'music' aspect of their art.
Nothing warms my heart like the bigotry of low expectations. To Pimp a Butterfly was shit but lol he black and talkin bout real sheeeit amirite?

>the only thing we can really say concretely is that 'quality' is subjective
This is such a shit defense. People only trot it out when they've run out of good points to make about whatever they like.

>i'm not going to disrespect them
"Disrespect" isn't a verb you nigger

>I'll simply judge them silently
Love this meme where that isn't disrespectful.

>>72274653
mainstream music in western culture has always been white oriented. if you disagree with that i suggest you go look at the bestselling records of every decade. almost every bestselling record has been by a white band, michael jackson excluded of course.

the eagles
michael jackson
led zeppelin
pink floyd
billy joel
ac/dc
garth brooks
shania twain
fleetwood mac
the beatles
guns n roses
the beatles again
whitney houston (hey a black person)
boston
garth brooks again
hootie and the blowfish (technically black singer but cmon)
metallica
led zeppelin again
eagles again
elton john

below that we do get some more african american artists
bee gees (white mind you)
bob marley (black person #3)
bruce springsteen
journey
pink floyd again
santana (latino)
the beatles a third time
adele
backstreet boys
britney spears
garth brooks a third time
meat loaf
simon and garfunkel
backstreet boys again
bruce springsteen again
pearl jam
prince (black #4)
steve miller band
whitney houston again)
bon jovi
boyz II men (black group)
def leppard
dixie chicks (notice all the country by white people)
jewel
kenny g lol
kenny rogers
led zeppelin AGAIN
matchbox 20 surprised they're up this high
phil collins at #50

also im not a liberal. I was simply stating the facts. I barely like rap music at all. I do like blues and jazz a lot though

>>72274844
>"Disrespect" isn't a verb you nigger
what the fuck are you talking about

dis·re·spect
ˌdisrəˈspekt/
noun
1.
lack of respect or courtesy.
"growing disrespect for the rule of law"
synonyms: contempt, lack of respect, scorn, disregard, disdain More
verb
1.
show a lack of respect for; insult.
"a young brave who disrespects his elders"

also im not saying i am not disrespectful you tard. i'm not defending the pedestal that rap music is put on. I am simply being objective. thats how critics think, not me. learn how to read properly.

>>72274372
honestly a really good analysis
>>72274653
Those genres still didn't get a lot of exposure to a predominately white audience, definitely not to the level of hip-hop now

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>>72274623
Are you still posting your fucking rap charts you no-life motherfucker?

>>72274926
If you use your eyes you might figure out the answer!

Here’s what I don’t get:

From a young age, I loved listening and watching people play music. I would play a casio keyboard in our house by ear to songs I liked. As soon as the schools let you play an instrument, I wanted to take up no less than 3. I wanted to try them all. Each one I heard I wanted to play. I wanted to learn how to create music, to do what I’d seen others do in my young amazed eyes.

Rap/hip-hop is bizarre because despite these “”artists”” becoming so prolific and famous, there are so few who give the slightest fuck about becoming a musician or even producing themselves. It’s crazy to me you call yourself a musical “artist” and yet you can’t play a single instrument, you have no chord progressions you wish to explore, no beats or rhythms beyond 4/4 snare backbeats, just “”””Verses”””” and “”””hooks””””....you’d think that if these people truly had a proclivity toward musical thought or invention, the genre would become incredibly stifling fairly quickly. And yet they continue on, putting on flashy clothes, jewelry, updating their instagrams, tweeting, not displaying the slightest curiosity to delve deeper into their artform. Instead the focus is elsewhere, the focus is on bullshit that is auxillery to the art. Nobody cares. Its not about sound or art, its about fame and status.

I never once played an instrument because I wanted to impress or display status, I simply wanted to see what I could do. I wanted to get deeper into my passion…...I never see this in hip-hop….it is shallow in the worst sense

>>72274895
Mm, they must have updated it in recent years to account for illiterates. The proper usage is "show disrespect to", not "to disrespect". Oh well.

>im not saying i am not disrespectful you tard
You literally said you couldn't bring yourself to show them disrespect "directly". Not sure what "indirect disrespect" is, but yeah keep creating hierarchies of rudeness to feel better.

>learn how to read properly
I can read just fine. "and that stuff that has something more compelling to say is more enjoyable", that's what you stated as your own opinion as opposed to the mainstream, and I disagree. Shit music with a strong message isn't any better as music than shit music with no message at all, they're both equally shit.

Here’s what I don’t understand:

From a young age, I loved listening and watching people play music. I would play a casio keyboard in our house by ear to songs I liked. As soon as the schools let you play an instrument, I wanted to take up no less than 3. I wanted to try them all. Each one I heard I wanted to play. I wanted to learn how to create music, to do what I’d seen others do in my young amazed eyes.

Rap/hip-hop is bizarre because despite these “”artists”” becoming so prolific and famous, there are so few who give the slightest fuck about becoming a musician or even producing themselves. It’s crazy to me you call yourself a musical “artist” and yet you can’t play a single instrument, you have no chord progressions you wish to explore, no beats or rhythms beyond 4/4 snare backbeats, just “”””Verses”””” and “”””hooks””””....you’d think that if these people truly had a proclivity toward musical thought or invention, the genre would become incredibly stifling fairly quickly. And yet they continue on, putting on flashy clothes, jewelry, updating their instagrams, tweeting, not displaying the slightest curiosity to delve deeper into their artform. Instead the focus is elsewhere, the focus is on bullshit that is auxillery to the art. Nobody cares. Its not about sound or art, its about fame and status.

I never once played an instrument because I wanted to impress or display status, I simply wanted to see what I could do. I wanted to get deeper into my passion…...I never see this in hip-hop….it is shallow in the worst sense

>>72273170
maybe it's because people like it and rap is the biggest international genre

>>72273170
>Rap/hip-hop is bizarre because despite these “”artists”” becoming so prolific and famous, there are so few who give the slightest fuck about becoming a musician or even producing themselves. It’s crazy to me you call yourself a musical “artist” and yet you can’t play a single instrument, you have no chord progressions you wish to explore, no beats or rhythms beyond 4/4 snare backbeats, just “”””Verses”””” and “”””hooks””””....you’d think that if these people truly had a proclivity toward musical thought or invention, the genre would become incredibly stifling fairly quickly. And yet they continue on, putting on flashy clothes, jewelry, updating their instagrams, tweeting, not displaying the slightest curiosity to delve deeper into their artform. Instead the focus is elsewhere, the focus is on bullshit that is auxillery to the art. Nobody cares. Its not about sound or art, its about fame and status.

>>72275059
you are a pedantic ass, you know that? I'm simply saying that I wouldn't go out of my way to say to another person that I disagree with the standards they set regarding the quality of the music they listen to. After all, it's fucking music. Who cares? I'm saying that internally I acknowledge that because I have different standards that I think are rational and reasonable that I think they are less intelligent than me. Anyone with common sense would've pieced that together, and only people looking for some small problem in an obviously larger message (seeking to discredit them) would be so picky. We're all people here, and I have no intent to spread negativity by means of bringing up completely autistic arguments with people i have no beef with.

>>72275131
you should listen to atmosphere and aesop rock

aesop rock is white for what its worth

you’d think that if these people truly had a proclivity toward musical thought or invention, the genre would become incredibly stifling fairly quickly. And yet they continue on, putting on flashy clothes, jewelry, updating their instagrams, tweeting, not displaying the slightest curiosity to delve deeper into their artform. Instead the focus is elsewhere, the focus is on bullshit that is auxillery to the art. Nobody cares. Its not about sound or art, its about fame and status.

>>72274093
country

>>72275059
disrespect: v. trans. The reverse of to respect; to have or show no respect, regard, or reverence for; to treat with irreverence. Hence disrespected ppl. a., -ing vbl. n.

Not only is disrespect in the OED as a verb, its use as a verb goes back to the seventeenth century.

1614 WITHER Sat. to King, Juvenilia (1633) 346 Here can I smile to see..how the mean mans suit is dis-respected.

1633 BP. HALL Hard Texts N.T. 11 If he love the one he must disrespect the other.

1683 CAVE Ecclesiastici 231 (Basil) To honor him, and dis-respect his Friend, was to stroke a man’s head with one hand, and strike him with the other.

1706 HEARNE Collect. 26 Apr., He was disrespected in Oxford by several men who now speak well of him.

1852 L. HUNT Poems Pref. 27 As if..sorrow disrespected things homely.

1885 G. MEREDITH Diana I. 257 You will judge whether he disrespects me.

Some of us may feel that “disrespect” as a verb is a despicable neologism, but it isn’t.

>>72275311
stop youre not helping at all.

>>72273170
idk why do you like harsh noise and ambient dark house wave

>>72275316
isn't that affiliated with a guy who wrote on a kids show

>>72274498
>>72274532
>>72274547

all me, btw (:

well fine i guess.

they like it

i guess that is the basis of my argument huh

>>72275194
>you are a pedantic ass, you know that?
You literally said something, I responded to it, and you called me illiterate because you meant something else entirely. Yeah I'm the asshole.

No one can read your mind or facial expressions online, you need to be more clear with what you say.

>I acknowledge that because I have different standards that I think are rational and reasonable
>that I think they are less intelligent than me
What. Did you forget a word here? I'm not being facetious, just from this you're calling them stupid but that clearly isn't what you meant, right?

>Anyone with common sense would've pieced that together
Say some nonsense and someone doesn't get it, just call them autistic! Works every time! Everyone knows what YOU mean!

>and only people looking for some small problem in an obviously larger message
I try to respond to anything I have something to say about, I guess that's autistic as well?

>seeking to discredit them
Why would I want to discredit you? Why would I bother actually putting forth points if I was only seeking to make you look dumb? I have no issue with you, this isn't a fight.

>and I have no intent to spread negativity by means of bringing up completely autistic arguments with people i have no beef with
Which is funny, considering the entire point of this sentence is to say that I actually do those things and thus paint what I said in a negative light.

>>72275305
Oh, neat. Guess I was wrong on that.

>>72275377
Cool man.

>>72275432
Was it even a popular show tho? Only time I ever heard about it was on the image that went around /tv/ for a while, hardly a mass grooming scheme?

>muslims
>a race
;^]

>/pol/babbies whining about muh rap and muh women who won't do sex with me
lol

>>72273170
as much as i would tend to agree, why even pay attention to critics?

>>72273481
fuck this made me laff

>>72275427
>What. Did you forget a word here? I'm not being facetious, just from this you're calling them stupid but that clearly isn't what you meant, right?

no i am essentially calling them stupid. that's literally what im saying. you appear to have figured it out, yet the rest of your greentexts point out that this can't be the case because i don't know how to communicate...

>Why would I bother actually putting forth points if I was only seeking to make you look dumb
you mean like you are actually doing? lmao

>>72275432
guess what buddy your post about the kids show was done by the same person you have been arguing with

there are people out there who just analyze reality in a facts only point of view and sometimes it might actually contradict with YOUR point of view

>>72275481
bella and the bulldogs had a fair amount of popularity. I'd be curious to know if nickelodeon responded to the controversy or if they just pretended it didn't exist

>>72275427
also i was the one who posted this >>72275305

>>72275607
LMAO REKT

>>72275607
Someone should post this entire exchange on r/quityourbullshit

>>72275607you are literally a cuck.

>>72275798
QUALITY discussion

>>72275813
what if i told you that was me

>>72275825
I'd probably be okay

>>72273192
This

>>72273192
>>72273274
These just replies proove how far hiphop is from being a serious art and is seen more of an accessory for blackies like street creed or guns

>>72275954
ya they definitely proove something

>>72275427
>Which is funny, considering the entire point of this sentence is to say that I actually do those things and thus paint what I said in a negative light.

the projection is strong in this one. i think i struck oil with my original post lol.

>>72274372
Nice! INTP as fuck

>>72274372
You're completely out of touch with the average hip hop fan, most of them don't have Pitchfork-like views.

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>>72274372
>previously almost exclusively white music world

>>72275055
>there are so few who give the slightest fuck about becoming a musician or even producing themselves
>not displaying the slightest curiosity to delve deeper into their artform
What about Tyler The Creator, Flying Lotus and Andre 3000?

>>72275059
>Mm, they must have updated it in recent years to account for illiterates. The proper usage is "show disrespect to", not "to disrespect". Oh well.
lmao kill yourself
or rather: do a killing against yourself

>>72274093
Probably still generic shit like Aerosmith, Nickelback, Creed etc.
For movies and actors it'd be Pamela Anderson, Steven Seagal, 3 Rambo movies a year, a reboot+remake+netflix TV-show for American Pie etc.

Alpha males have no personality, just look at their taste in art.

>waah stop listening to things I dont like

>>72278219
it's shitting up the board mate, the rap meme's gotta end

I like the rhythm, i like the flow of certain rappers, sometimes the lyrics are clever, bangers can be kinda cools sometimes. I don't get the whole rap is shit meme, I gotta think people are trying to look for reasons it's bad. The only argument I've ever heard against it is the that the lyrics are about degen shit and violence, which I mean fuck you, those are the best verse. The bad shit is the overly preachy concious hip hop that adds a bunch of shit that'll appease pitchfork babs and white teens who want to be edgy but not go too deep.

Some people just like listening to niggers having chimpouts, i don't get it either

>>72278173
You're amazing and I love you.