would you stop listening to an artist's music because of

not stop listening to an artist i already like but disagree with, but if i know beforehand that i will find them retarded i won't even bother checking them out

>>72065788
yes

Actors and musicians should just be seen as dancing puppets there to entertain you and don't take anything they say too seriously.

>>72065788
No

>>72065818
Why the fuck would you do that? Safespace wanker

>>72065788
Actually turned me onto his music instead. Good man for keeping the Lord's word relevant.

>>72065788
Separate the artist from the art, breh

Can someone tell me how does Dave rationalizes his Anarchism with his Christianity? (Romans chapter 13)

No, I but I wouldn't go out of my way to support them financially

>>72065788
No. If it doesn't hurt me, or secondly, anyone else, why should I care? To each, their own.

>>72065846
>Safespace wanker
that's not what that means you faggot
i have no obligation to listen to them, and don't want to for any reason, i won't

>>72065844
If you're referring to top 40 music and movies like Transformers and superhero movies, you have a point.
>Puppets
Please don't go into the Alex Jones territory.

>>72065788
>>72065899
I would also like to know how he rationalizes his Christianity with the song Holy Wars.

>>72065788
Bob Dylan and Mark Hollis are Christians, Nick Cave once was and that didn't stop me from enjoying their music.

>>72065788
nope

>>72065899
That verse is referring to civil governments I believe. So if the government is abusing it's God given power, than it would not be fulfilling the part that says "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." At least that's my interpretation.
>>72066013
He's probably just against war. Or he sees killing for your religion as a backwards thing.
>>72066084
>Mark Hollis
never knew that

>>72066144
>Mark Hollis
Have you listened to Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock? Clear biblical themes.

>>72066203
>Clear biblical themes
That doesn't mean he's Christian. Modest Mouse and Neutral Milk Hotel do that and they're not Christian.

>>72065818
bet you don't like killer mike bc le kill whitey XD

>>72067343
>Modest Mouse and Neutral Milk Hotel do that and they're not Christian.
citation needed

If i did, I'd only have ted nugent and dave mustaine to listen to.

>>72067429
That they use Biblical imagery or that they are not Christian?

>>72067450
b0th

>>72067463
I can't think any references from Modest Mouse songs with Biblical references off the top of my head, but in ITAOTS he mentions Christ and God several times and talks about miracles and Holy Water. Brock has said he's an atheist and Mangum has said that he doesn't believe in the Bible, but loves the Jesus figure.

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I like his music but he hate my kind of skin colour.

>>72067574
fair enough

>>72065788
I have and I will continue to but only when their views become the main topic in their music and it overshadows what they made previously.

>>72065788
No. Vocals of any kind are unintelligible to me most of the time, anyway. Probably something fucky going on with my ears, but I don't really care. It's all about the RIFFS.

>>72066013
It's literally a song about not killing for religion.

If Jesus were alive, he'd be the most anti-war, anti-border, socialist, egalitarian imaginable.

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>>72067748

He has risen

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>>72067702
brother, i have found you at last!

>>72065788
I didn't like Dave thinking he was a typical left wing scum until I showed an inteview saying he is devout christian, conservative, republican and right wing so I admired him very much, looked into his music and now he's in my top 5 list of goat musicians.

>>72065788
I don't know. Maybe. Mustaine is an exception if so. His riffs and solos are quite good. Guy is the stuff of legends so I'll give him a pass if he's a little preachy and obnoxious about some shit.

>>72065844
This
Why is being famous supposed to put someone in a position of moral authority? If anything it does the opposite, these people are so disconnected from everyday reality you wouldn't believe it.

>>72067767
Is that Emma Watson?

>>72067876
No, it's Justin Trudeau

>>72067876
yes

>>72067748
>le Jesus would have supported my political views meme
This needs to stop
Jesus encouraged generosity and love but that doesn't equate to socialism and open borders in any way.

>>72067748
>socialist,
I really don't want this thread to become a theological or political mess, but I never understood why people assume Jesus would be socialist. He, at least how I personally interpreted it, heavily emphasized charity, which isn't generally a socialist thing. Socialism is involves government redistribution to tae care of the poor/sick and a lot of socialists are very anti-charity.
>anti-war
I'm not sure about this either. But I think it doesn't make sense to apply contemporary politics to religious figures. Especially for people that are religious. Just my two cents.

Yep, sure would. And all these people that want you and I to separate the artist from their opinion? I can't do that either. Why would I support an artist I don't agree with? Just sayin.

>>72067911
i meant to quote
>anti-border
not
>anti-war

yes. no anti-christian or pro-gay communism in my headphones. I can not stand that stuff. there is no rebellion like following Christ and it is so boring listening to kids who think it is some kind of shock value in being as anti-christian as mainstream morning coffe television and there is enough rainbow insanity in everything else.
and I mostly like dungeon synth so this happens daily.and I mostly like dungeon synth so this happens daily

>>72067960

I completely agree, I only listen to christian music like boards of canada and bach

>>72067748
>“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”(Leviticus 20:13)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.(Exodus 22:19)

>"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."(I Timothy 2:11-14)

>"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days."(Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

Do you want me to go on?

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>>72065788
When I was younger I would of but not anymore . People can express themselves and I can cope with it

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Honestly no, though it starts to be a problem when the lyrics start involving their beliefs. I just deleted a punk band the other day for preaching regressive left views while being mediocre. That's been the first time ever for me. If they were good, I may have tried to overlook it though.

>>72068629
Why did you post a picture of this journalist killer

>>72068671
>People can express themselves and I can cope with it

>>72068569
Did Jesus say literally any of that? No.

>>72065788
Yes. In fact, I literally only listen to artists who expressly agree with my views OR have said nothing that could be construed as going against my views. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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>>72068569

>gaythiest quotes the old testament out of context

really makes me think

>>72068726
>Did Jesus say literally any of that? No.
Deutoronomy is a law. Are you saying that God didn't make laws? Isn't the Bible supposed to be a credible source for the word of God?
>>72068766
What's the right context then? And while you're at it, let's look at an uplifting story of genocide for the high crime of making bald jokes:
>2 Kings 2:23-24, “Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.”

>>72068848
In short the old testament represents the human condition and old world, it's a very complex work of literature and it needs to be understood in context with the revelation and crucifixion of Christ

>>72068918
Great. And you know all of that is true, how?

>>72067960
>no communism
You're missing out, liberal.

>>72065788
shitty /pol/bait thread

>>72068988
Except not really.

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>>72068646
>regressive left

>>72065818
Artist =/= Art
If you can do that for artists you already like, you can do that for new ones.

It's how I grew appreciate Varg's atmospheric style.

>>72068988
>>72069000
Either way, stop bumping.

>>72069012
No?

>>72068945
Because theologists have been studying this for literal millennia, far more than some edgy atheist teenager on the Internet?

>>72065788
No... I disagree with almost every single artist I like but who gives a shit?

only if they were a cunt about it

>>72069025
Oh, theologists? And where's the evidence for the existence of any God human race has conceived?

Can you guys really say you understand the lyrics half the time, anyway? I mean, do you look up all of a bands songs and comb through them to prevent irreparable asspain?

Because that kind of sounds like a pain in the ass.

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>>72067903
>>72067911
James 5:1 is my favorite: Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

>>72068945
>>72069025

You can deny a belief in God, but you can't deny the consequences of sin

>>72069154
Right, but what dictates those consequences? What dictates sin?

>>72069066
they have presented evidence (first hand accounts, multiple witnesses, philosophical arguments). other people have presented evidence contrary. if you think that these people just have blind faith then i don't know what to tell you dude.

>>72069154
Well, laws exist. And that how a modern, civilized society treats behavior deemed unacceptable or as you would call it - sin.

>>72067412
I don't like killer mike because he's a shit punchline rapper with a boring flow.

>>72069166

God's law, natural law.

>>72069174
I don't think they have "blind faith", I just think they're misinterpreting natural phenomena and their own intuition.

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>>72068848
Ex-Christian, Agnostic-fag here. The Old Testament isn't based on the story of Christ, don't cherry pick verses out of context like a lot of retarded bible thumpers, it's intellectually dishonest.

>>72068918
This. Honestly it makes more sense to me to look at the bible as as literature than straight up doctrine, because most of the book is full of figurative language. Let's you draw more interpretations from it, and it gets kinda fascinating.

>>72069187

what?

>>72069174
All right. Could I see that evidence? Here's the evidence of evolution:
https://youtu.be/DP53WAkQ5Yc
https://youtu.be/cC8k2Sb1oQ8

>>72069243
Gods don't exist, there's no evidence for any of them and they don't intervene in human existence.

>>72069207
Natural law being what, exactly? Does nature prevent crony capitalists from squeezing profit out of ignorant consumers? Does nature punish murderers, rapists and thieves of its own accord, proportional to their crimes, or does another human being have to bear witness for punishment to be exacted?

>>72069227
>Ex-Christian, Agnostic-fag here. The Old Testament isn't based on the story of Christ, don't cherry pick verses out of context like a lot of retarded bible thumpers, it's intellectually dishonest.
So, their holy scripture isn't accurate and is contradictory? It's astonishing how you're saying that, given your claim of agnosticism.

>>72069253

Evolution isn't incompatible with Christianity or the belief in God

>>72069325
Of course.

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>>72069066

>>72069344
Given that there are some religious people who accept evolution.

>>72069318
I think you meant to say the opposite, but I never said there were no contradictions in the scripture. Hence why I said it's more comprehensible as literature than doctrine.

>>72069403
>Hence why I said it's more comprehensible as literature than doctrine.
I agree completely. It's impossible to study the English literature and language without the Bible.

>>72069316
>crony capitalists
They're just called capitalists.

72069458

No (you) for you.

>>72069316
>ignorant consumers

They're just called consumers.

>>72069213
that may very well be, but you said
>And where's the evidence for the existence of any God human race has conceived?
i was just saying that there is evidence, whether or not it proves anything is debatable and is debated often.
>>72069253
here's just a few off the top of my head with Wikipedia pages
>first hand accounts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Antonio_Fortea
Spanish Catholic priest and exorcist. He wrote few books on his experiences but most are in Spanish obviously.
>multiple witnesses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_of_Bolsena
Catholic priests witness the bleeding of a Eucharistic host
>philosophical arguments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis
Famed author and devout Christian. I picked him because he's one of the most famous contemporary ones and his writings very lively.

i'm not here to convert atheists into believers. just saying that there is stuff out there if you want to do some reading.

>>72067412
yep
why should i like him
reddit the jewels would be shit regardless, el-p is also a fucking hack

>>72065788
no one listened to megadeth for that twat, it was for marty and menza

>>72069012
>well I guess you're not wrong but stop talking anyway

o i am laffinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

>>72070654
gar and chris > nick and marty

>>72065788
No.
Most of my favorite artists have become huge ACLU donors as of late, but I don't hold that against their music.

The only artist I refuse to listen to due to politics is Magma.

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I mean I lean a little towards the left and this album is one of my favourites.

Generally I tend to hesitate listening artists if they go full SJW, but it won't stop me eventually listening to and enjoying their shit.

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>>72070588
>cannibal ox production
>hack

faggot contrarian detected

>>72069012
I saged
>>72070693
that wasn't me but kys anyway

>>72069694
When any follower of any religion provided DNA evidence of a divine creation, disproves radiometric dating, disproves redshifting of galaxies, is the day people should be justified in their belief in a supernatural being. Until then, there is no logical justification of believing in any deity.

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The fact that Taylor Swift would get demonized for stating she's a trump supporter shows the true hypocrisy of it all.

I am 100% against judging artists based on their political views.

>>72071640
Provides*

>>72071640
by your tone i'm assuming your the guy that posted the videos. you asked for evidence. i submitted what i did. is it concrete? obviously not. do i believe everything i posted? probably not. i'm not a theologian and i don't claim to be. these are just the first things to come to my head when you asked for evidence. however, whatever philosophy works you dude.

>>72071643
Yeah, I sure wonder why somebody who supports a man who appoints Goldman Sachs members to his cabinet even after claiming to be anti-establishment and anti-Goldman Sachs, mocks the disabled, bombs people, claims vaccines cause autism and that global warming is a Chinese hoax, retweets white supremacists regularly, sells out to corporate interests (which isn't surprising, considering how he IS corporate interest), hands over our privacies to ISPs, and other things would be demonized. What a shame.

>>72071640
doesn't require justification, that's why it's called faith

>>72065788
No, but if supporting them meant supporting some hate group foundation then I'd definitely go out of my way to not pay for their music.

>>72071643
Taylor Swift isn't an artist, she's a professional personality. If she makes people dislike her then she has nothing left to offer.

>>72067748
Have you heard of the battle of Armeggedon?

Well, a lot of people started crying and bitching to the new Gorillaz songs...

>>72069189
wew lad

>>72071253
lmao cry harder bitch nigga

>>72065844
Actors yeh, musicians not always. There are many musicians whose fame stems from the interesting viewpoints and ideas they put forward in their music.

>>72065892
Sometimes people put their views into their work

>>72069189
This opinion is literally worse than racism

Damn, where'd all these crazy bible thumpers come from?

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>>72065788
lmao if me or anyone else on the right did this we wouldn't be able to listen to anyone but fucking ted nugent. one of my top 5 favorite albums of all time, blomljud, has a lyric basically calling right-wingers "politic retards", i just roll my eyes and keep appreciating the fucking amazing melody.

>>72067858
It's like how Gene Simmons and Lars Ulrich threw a hissy fit over Napster. It had been so many decades since these jetsetting celebrities were young kids gigging in clubs and living on gas station hot dogs that they completely forgot how bootlegs and copied tapes had been used to spread the word about their bands in the underground music scene.

>>72075094
Leftists usually don't have the time to waste on these threads, so that's why you see an overwhelming majority of righties with nothing better to do here.
>>72076549
Case in point

Uh...Don Henley was asked once how he reconciles himself with his redneck Republican fanbase and he just said "Most of them probably know I'm a D-------, but I don't discuss my politics on stage, so it's not a problem."

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>>72076787
you're right, lefties are too busy with the grimes and k-pop generals. it's hard work.

>>72076885
They're also busy spamming 200 anti-Trump threads on /pol/ every day.

>>72076885
60s O.G.

>>72065788
Yes. That's why I had to get the fuck off of twitter. Are all musicians liberal douchbags? Sure seems that way.

>>72067898
kek

>>72076885
>>72076899
>>72076912
>implying

>tfw barely any musician supports my left-wing communist views and most of them support the center-right liberal capitalist status quo
Fuck

>>72076999
you should check the beatles out famalam

>>72067858
You think Meryl Streep has to worry about her monthly bills or anything about how real Americans live? Fuck no, she and most of Hollywood live in a dream world where the only things that matter are global warming and butthole rights.

>>72076999
you have GYBE at least dude
>>72076917
>Are all musicians liberal douchbags? Sure seems that way.
me and a lot of my friends are musicians. most of them are liberal or leftist, but a lot of them, including me, are libertarians or conservative. i have a theory that either a) most good musicians are left-leaning b) only the left-leaning ones become popular for whatever reason c) the left-leaning one's are more vocal. none of the answers would really surprise me.

>>72077137
The left-leaning ones get their dicks sucked by music critics. There's a reason why those guys love punk and hate metal. Punks are usually boho artfags while metalheads are white trash/redneck.

>>72077137
the way i see it leftists are simply more interested in the arts. that's not to say they never go into stem or some shit but not a lot of conservatives go out and form indie bands.

>>72067702
T H I S

No because I'm not a retard.

>>72077198
>the way i see it leftists are simply more interested in the arts. that's not to say they never go into stem or some shit but not a lot of conservatives go out and form indie bands.

Ironically, communist countries promoted an extreme cult of science and either suppressed the humanities or made them into a propaganda arm for glorifying the leader or churning out schlocky art of muscled factory workers.

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>>72065892
pleb as fuck

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>>72067748
>anti-border, socialist, egalitarian
You had me up until here.

>>72065788
No but I might depending on how obnoxious their fanbase is. Beyhive, I'm looking at you.

>>72077186
If that were true, then prog would also be loved by critics (King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, and Henry Cow range from mildly left-wing to very left-wing, just off the top of my head).

>>72065788
if I did then I wouldn't listen to music at all because all of my favorite artists are liberal as fuck

>>72065788
Not at all

>>72077186
Which critics, exactly? There's no shortage of dick sucking going on in metal, but it's probably because of the music.

Not everything and everybody is out to get you.

>>72069227
you 4chan kiddos are all fucking pathetic

>>72077604
>then prog would also be loved by critics

It is, though? Like, all of those bands are universally acclaimed.

The only reason I would is if they shoehorned their views into everything to the point that it was obnoxious.

An occasional Christian reference is whatever but hearing "Jesus" in every song would turn me away.

>>72077704
The same critics who love punk and hate metal (Christgau, Pitchfork, and Lester Bangs off of the top of my head) also hate prog.
Oh, yeah. Emerson, Lake & Palmer is also definitely somewhere on the left.

Actually, the theory might actually be true, but not for the reasons stated. The critics that hate prog and metal and love punk are usually liberals, which makes them center-right. It figures that they would dislike actual left-wingers - Genesis, Pink Floyd, and Henry Cow are all openly socialist, and King Crimson, Jethro Tull, and ELP definitely have left-wing underpinnings.

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>>72067748
>anti-war, anti-border, socialist, egalitarian imaginable

high quality bait

>>72077828
And how many critics are there in the world, professional or otherwise?

>>72077830
He's absolutely right, though.
I'm saving that Vivec reaction though

>>72070918
>I mean I lean a little towards the left
Read: I like weed and am okay with gay marriage as long as they don't "stick it in my face" (read: do anything remotely gay in my line of sight) but fuck the homeless and anything that actually has anything to do with the left. DAE socially liberal, fiscally conservative?

>>72077880
>Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

>>72067343
>"Jesus Christ I love you yes I do"
from the point of view of the tolerant, curious jew-girl the album is written about, not from Mangum himself

>>72078212
That's actually pretty socialist, in that you cannot bring about peace with just peace like liberals want to do with votes.

>>72072386
>doesn't require justification, that's why it's called faith
Great. So, don't claim any of it is true.

>>72071875
You know what works better than philosophy? Physics, biology, anthropology, math, chemistry, paleontology.