/gg/ - Guitarfag and Bassfag General

First for Brian Patrick Carroll

>>71960785
Kill you'reself asshole.

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>>71960633
Will my acoustic play as smoothly as my electric if I put electric strings on it? I really can't get the same bends out of the acoustic as the electric, but I don't want to waste a set of strings and not enjoy the sound
Link somewhat related, my jason becker wannabe crap

https://clyp.it/t0vzzdwy

>>71960925
>Will my acoustic play as smoothly as my electric if I put electric strings on it?
>/gg/

>>71960925
Retard. Not even being toxic here, you're just retarded

>>71960925
I've actually done this. It'll be way easier to bend, etc with electric gauge strings but it won't sound nearly as good as an acoustic with bronze strings. (At least as an acoustic guitar. Come to think of it, I haven't done it as a plugged-in acoustic...)

>>71961000
>Experimenting discouraged
>/gg

>>71961038
>retard
>/gg

>>71961000
>trips
this. /gg/ is full of 19yo retards. leave if you have any common sense and actual goals and aspirations

these quad ones will confirm it forever

>>71961112
>off by 1

>lulz.

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>>71961133
he likes to laugh too

>>71961112
Nice script fagboy. Scott Hiram plays with electric strings on an acoustic sometimes, and he sounds great.

>>71961158
Biram*

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>>71961158
I'm sorry that reply didn't come with any digits so I'm going to have to ignore it

>>71961155

Neet. But after the fact dubs ain't no quads. Cool gif, though.

How can I get rid of some of the attack on my picking? When I try to play tremolo stuff with heavy delay/reverb (like Godspeed always do) the CHKCHKCHKCHKCHK sound of the picking drowns out the actual notes.

>>71961231
I hate pick noise too. Use a softer material pick, and/or a thinner pick, or hit the string with the pick at a bit of an angle. Flat picking is a bit chicky or clicky. Full-on cross-picking is more scrapey. But if you hit it at an angle the pick will hit and glide over...so hard to describe.

I use Pickboy Edge Carbon Nylon picks, 0.60 gauge as a standard. They seem to be really "clean" of pick noise when playing as I described above. They wear really fast, though.

>>71961231
Parametric EQ

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>>71961197
these half devil trips are the best I can do now

>>71961332
THAT TEARS IT

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my latest acquisition

before you say anything - that is a MIM strat neck, noiseless p90 in the bridge, and kluson locking tuners. i have literally no idea what the body is made of, its really, really heavy.

it sounds ok, but an MIM strat neck on ebay is 150 alone. i talked the guitar shop guy down to 200. did i fuck up?

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Go back to /b/.

>>71961392

People pay 200 for Corts and Arias and shit, so no you didn't fuck up at all. How's it sound?

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seems roman has a les paul

>>71961392
Never understood simplistic guitars. What's the advantage to having less features as opposed to more pickups and tone knobs?

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So i won this metal pick
Anyone heres experience with metal pick
Will it break my strings
Does it sound the same as a coin

>>71961457
like you would expect a guitar with one single coil in the bridge to sound

>>71961509
i went through a period of time where i loved one pickup guitars and grew out of it, but as i said i got an MIM maple neck, pickup, and tuners i can piece out once i get sick of this toy. i thought it was a fun find though.

>>71961533
I have used two cheap metal picks. One was shit the other was okay. The shit one wasn't very well polished. Both were thicker than that one. I didn't break strings any more often using them.

>>71961038
>callls him a retard
>can't answer the question

>>71960925
depends on what kind of acoustic, I would not reccommend that for a classical guitar
obviously different string gauges are going to get different sounds though

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>>71961392
Play humble pie songs on it

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>>71961748
double cut tete master race

>>71961803
>double cut tele
>master race
>strat
Choose one.

>>71961826
>tele
nigger I said tete

>>71960925

Oh shit, I'm sorry.

>>71961533
.5mm

It's going to feel and sound like shit

>>71961854
My bad bro. I stand down...

>>71961909
its stiffer than my .88 tortex

>>71961983
that's what she said

>>71962018
ah
but nobady say thin picks are bad

>>71962065
>but nobady say thin pricks are bad
will dicklets ever learn

>>71960925
I've done this with an acoustic i found years ago in someone's trash can walking to school. The bridge came off, i glued it back on. And
>I don't want to waste a set of strings
either so I just put the usef strings from my electric guitars on it when i changed them. Dunno about a guitar I'd really cared about but was ok for my acoustic garbagecaster.

>>71961509
>What's the advantage to having less features as opposed to more pickups and tone knobs?
- Price
- Ease of use
- Low maintenance
- Less malfunction opportunity
- More time to spend playing instead of fiddling with numerous knobs, switches, wiring options and pickup heights.

>>71961533
I have one a non-guitar playing buddy stole from the music shop when we were there once, which then i stole from him. It would've been expensive. . Sounds fine but i hardly ever use it.

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what would be a ghetto fix for this broken intonation screw

i just want it all the way to the tailpiece side so i suppose just stick something on the blue mark to prevent it from coming back? what can put there?

>>71962601
What's exactly broken? looks like the blue mark is obscuring it.

>>71962601
Take the bridge completely off and drop a dab of superglue right in front of the saddle and one behind it on the intonation screw and let it dry completely. If you need to get it of later the super glue will harden into a "plastic" like substance you can just break off the metal surface so it's not something that's permanent.

Honestly though, just go to Stewart MacDonald and order an new screw/saddle for $5.

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I have an old strat that has HSH, and the pickups are pretty shit. What are some neat ass pickups I could put in it to make it sound better. It plays pretty well and I have other guitars so I'm not worried I just wanna experiment.

anyone know where I can get an unrouted jazz bass body that isn't jewmoth?

>>71960925
broke a string today and saw i had some flatwound chrome 11s so decided fuck it and just put those on, maybe that's stupid idk. didn't play too much after but while i was tuning back i did record this because i thought i got a pretty neat tone: https://clyp.it/1uf2rdrb

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>no matter how much you want it to be alright it'll never be alright

my 1968 Ibanez 1910 bought for $100
it was originally a full hollow but someone removed the floating bridge, and tailpiece with trem bar, cut a hole in the back and added a wooden block and installed a cheap bridge and tailpiece. the neck also has play and shifts randomly so it doesn't keep tune worth shit.

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>>71962929
how it's supposed to look

but what can you expect for a $100 guitar I guess

>>71962929
people do stupid things with guitars, there ought to be a law.

>>71961402
This photo reminds me of how nauseating this board actually is

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>>71963687
for you

>>71963720

>having your pinky so far away from the fretboard

this anime girl has bad techinque desu

>>71963769
That's what pisses me off desu

>>71963769
>>71963776
you guys want to get pissed off? someone needs to have a talk with nip moot

>>>/mtv/
>>>/outsoc/
>>>/vint/
>>>/spa/
>>>/cock/

>>71963800
calm down dear

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>>71963814
>you can't link these new boards
good job nip moot
>>>/mtv/
>>>/outsoc/
>>>/vint/
>>>/spa/
>>>/mlpol/
>>>/mo/
>>>/fap/
>>>/fitlit/
>>>/can/
>>>/cock/

I bought a classic player jazzmaster and I love it, but I was wondering what would be good to upgrade on it?

>>71963928
What's the bridge like?

My friend has a '62 reissue Jag and the bridge was absolute trash before he got a Mastery.

whats the consensus on plain american made fender strats?

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Wow this general has gone down the shitter since the last time I was here. Maybe this board would be better with some new reading material.

This is a great fingerstyle book that's approachable but will also kick your ass if it's unfamiliar territory.
https://www.mediafire.com/?5bnc19zfulaqbe9

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>>71964172

>>71963928
I have one too, pickups are the only weak part imo. Using an aluminum pickguard makes them a bit brighter/clearer for some reason though.

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>>71964177

>Be me
>Be into SOAD and other nu-metal stuff.
>Start playing guitar
>Just discovered Rush
>They have pretty much announced they will never widescale tour again.
>tfw never see Lifeson play guitar in a live setting

Feels terrible. I really like his style.

>>71962929
I have a very similar Crest guitar, unmodified, but missing several pieces. I think I'm going to use it as an acoustic guitar. Hopefully the center post will hold up, it doesn't have any additional bracing.

Chapman's finally updated their site. The new models are pretty nice desu. I wonder how the QC and stock pickups will be.

>>71964892
Saw them in 2007, shit was cash.

>>71965088
>t. rob chapman

>>71965101
Is it true Neil Peart is a colossal cock head in person?

>>71965127
Not at all. He came off very well.

>>71965119
Haha. Not at all friend. Now if you don't mind I have to go film a video where I alternate between bending the 12th fret and sloppily shredding, then play the same 4 riffs.

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>>71964177

Will using my pinky finger be advantageous when learning fingerstyle? Most people seem to only use it when they have to.

>>71965408
Using your pinky finger during exercises will help you use it more confidently when you need to. That doesn't mean you should force yourself to use your pinky when you are performing a song. It's important to separate exercises and regular playing.

>>71962698
that circle on the screw
without that barrier the screw+saddle walks towards the nut

>>71962714
great idea i'll try it soon

>>71965430
i began using the pinky for playing everything and i dont regret it

im like bassists now
using mostly the fingers 1, 2 and 4 or 1, 3 and 4

>>71966369
i mean, i think if anon can get gud with the pinky theres no reason to not use it more often than when he needs a stretch or something

>DAWs

do limiters affect the sound's volume kinda like a compressor?
i used to think it just "limited" the sound from going past a defined peak, but when i used it it made the sound louder, like it normalized to 0.0db after limiting. even the simplest limiter plugin of reaper does that

>>71966429
a limiter is just a hard compressor.
Much faster attack and higher compression ratio.

>>71966486
interesting
hows its use different from a regular compressor set that way?

what about the limiters that have attack/release settings? theyre just regular compressors named limiters?

>>71961392
You can visibly see that somebody filled in that pickup cavity. It also has a strat neck with black hardware. The whole thing is blatantly some guys custom wet dream.

Either way, 7/10

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>>71961392
>>71961748
i mean play The Whole World's Goin' Crazee

>>71960785
He's great, just wish he'd a legit studio album or something with thanatopsis or another group instead of more pikes

how to do this bass move at 1:34 https://youtu.be/evqnvQhf79o?t=94
its a sequence of pulling with the index and slapping with the thumb but theres a fast percussive inbetween

>>71966726
Hes muting with with the fretting hand while slapping or popping with the picking hand

How do i get the percussive attack of nuno?

https://youtu.be/PVpZxXevoFw

>>71966797
Do you can play that piece

>>71966813
how to figure these chords out
besides power chords over the roots and obvious dissonandes like 7ths

>>71966874
>do you can play that piece
Wut

>>71966942
do you can play that piece of music

>>71966948
Yes....i can play it but not with the accents he does

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I have a jaguar SS and I want another electric guitar

I like jaguars for chord playing but its not great for lead.

Would a strat/tele be OK for lead or should I get a humbucker guitar because I already have single coils

>>71967017
why you dont try

>>71967059
...thanks bud

>>71967054
teles are great for leads the bridge pup is beefey and cuts through

>>71967066
lol what happened

>>71967081
Youre memeing, thats what happened. Nuno plays on the fringe of pinch harmonics but with the whole chord and a lot of vibrato so its hard to emulate

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Whatre you guys listening to

>>71967162
I like Matriarch but that album art is fucking terrible.

>>71967054
literally just a matter of taste

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>>71967162

>>71967192
Agreed

>>71967155
lol i was askin bout the bass vid
are there vibrato on the chords in that extreme song?

harmonics on chords arent hard
kinda like that move where you strum all strings muted to get one note on a treble string

>>71967228
Yeah if you listen to the song he does some crazy vibrato over the whole A chord during the chorus that sounds like hes getting harmonics on the whole thing. Theres alsona section where he taps high harmonics in the chorus that i cant figure out

>>71967162
>spastic ink
To Counter and Groove in E minor is one of the greatest instrumentals eva

What makes a guitar better to solo on? Is it strictly the action or the neck or what? All the strats I've ever played sucked for fast stuff above the 12th fret but I've played shitty ibanez and jacksons that were the exact opposite. How do I get my action shredder low on a MIM strat?

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Should I learn guitar first or just jump into bass?

If I'm left handed do I really want a left handed instrument or does it not matter?

first time my wrists started hurting from playing, i must be getting old

>>71967795

yes it does matter, play a leftie

you can start with whatever instrument you prefer, you'll learn very different things when starting out on each

>>71967807
if it's only the first time, you must be pretty young

>>71962714
>>71962601
where to put the Super Glue pls

>>71968071
if put it under the saddle it will fuckup

>>71968112
a drop of superglue fell in the fretboard
i put water to prevent it from drying and glueing
then wiped it with toilet paper
but the paper glued

>>71964990
>I have a very similar Crest guitar,
Teisco was making a lot of interesting guitars back then, and were building for everyone including Ibanez, Sears, and Kay
They are nice guitars if they can still be set up properly

>>71968179
i'm shaving it with a knife
bran of wood is falling altogether but

also boiling water to dissolve the superglue

>>71967811
What's so important about getting a right handed or left handed guitar?

I've always heard it recommended I learn guitar because it makes bass a lot easier to learn, is that a load of shit?

The superglue is good
The saddle glued at where i left it to dry the glue

who /dope melodies/ here

post your dope melodies

Glue fell on the surround saddle now it wont adjust too
Halp

>>71968619
>tfw too paranoid someone is going steal my shitty melodies to post them

>been using 0.6mm Tortex picks for 5 years
>found some 1.0 mm Jazz IIIs and Ibanez Grip Wizards lying around from way back when
>try them out
Now I know why I switched to the 0.6 Tortex. The Grip Wizards are small as fuck which makes strumming unpleasant, and while the Jazz IIIs have a good size (not too large for picking fast, not too small for strumming) and shape (picking fast feels light and easy) and the thickness means that pick tapping sounds a lot better than with the 0.6 mm Tortex, I feel a lot less connected to the guitar (can't feel the strings that well because the pick doesn't bend) and lose a lot of the treble in the attack.

>>71968452
Not that poster, but if you get a chance, sit down with a righty and a lefty, go with whatever feels more natural. Only warning is lefty instruments are much harder to come by.

Guitar and bass are similar only in where the notes are. They're played completely differently, and guitar players who say "bass is easy" usually make really, really shitty bassists. Go with which ever one interests you more.

>>71968892
>can't feel the strings that well because the pick doesn't bend

If anything a solid pick would allow you to feel the strings more, as the force is transferred through the pick to your fingers.

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I have 2 questions from you theory nerds. How can you "sound" like a mode with/without a backing track. For example, how can you give your playing a "Dorian" feel with/without a backing track.

Also, how can you make a chord progression "Dorian", "Lydian", etc. Thanks in advance.

>>71961533
it makes the sound bright just like the strings are new
I will only use metal picks from now

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What's going on here?

>>71969126
Wrong, the same force applies whether you're using rigid or floppy picks, it's just that I'm used to the feeling of that force flexing the pick rather than just angling it in my hand. I don't know how to explain it, you would have to feel it.
Maybe the fact that the thicker picks have a more rounded edge compared to the thin ones contributes to this, or maybe it's just the shape of the "point" of the pick but in any case, I feel like I get better "response" from the strings using the Tortex picks.

>>71969130
That's a pretty big topic, and something that takes a long time to develop the intuition needed. How familiar are you with cadences and functional harmony? Also, when you're playing scales, are you thinking about the notes in relation to the root (i.e. chord tones)?

>>71969548
Yes, I am familiar about "intervals", or as you call them chord tones. Root, Maj 2nd, Min 2nd, Perfect 5th. Root, Maj 3rd, Perfect 5th make a Maj Chord. Add a Maj7tth and you get a Maj7th chord, etc. I know Lydian's main character is its raised 4rth (#4), etc.

I am not so familiar with cadences, and functional harmony. That's something I need to work on. I am still all ears though(Though, in this case, eyes).

>>71961311
Nylon 0.6 master race

>>71960633
is string boling a meme? supposedly it prolongs the life of your strings besides cleaning them so there's not so much gunk on them
anyone have any experience with this?

>>71960925

if your acoustic guitar is not made to receive steel strings (or nickel, etc.), then don't fucking put them on it, you'll fuck it up. Metal strings exert a much higher tension on the instrument.

>>71969628
Intervals and chord tones are similar concepts but not the same thing. The kind of playing I'm referring to is sometimes called "vertical playing" where the musicians aren't just playing a scale over a progression (which is referred to as "horizontal playing"), but thinking in arpeggios relating to each chord in the progression. The notes of the arpeggios are the "chord tones" I'm talking about.

Both are important ways of playing, but many beginners only know how to play horizontally and have a hard time connecting their notes their playing to the chord progression (other than the fact that they're in the same key).

Sorry that this is getting long-winded, just trying to get us on the same page. It's hard to talk about modal stuff without this reference point. Give me a second to try to turn the focus back to modal playing.

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Found this gem browsing some area Craigslists. Good stuff

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>>71970011

>>71969941
No worries dude, I definitely don't mind you explaining different things for me to get a better picture of what you are talking about. I seriously appreciate it. Take your time man, I will definitely be here waiting to read to whatever you are typing.

>>71970077
Right? Spelled it correctly in the ad body but hilariously misspelled in the title. Some people. Been off of CL for too long, though, always forget what kind of deals can be had

>>71969941
Here's a video that discusses "vertical" and "horizontal" playing in very basic terms, though it's on a piano (also I didn't watch the whole thing, so I have no idea where it goes after the first three minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PmNh5y2PAs

To get back to playing with a certain modal sound, there's a reason I asked about chord tones, functional harmony etc. If you take the major scale and play the notes without any tonal reference anchoring things down (either from backing tracks, other musicians, or in your head), you're not consciously playing in any "mode" (or you could say you're playing "all" of them).

Playing modally is about changing the way you focus on a particular scale. People tend to say stuff like "Dorian is the major scale starting on the 2nd note," which is kinda true, but also misses the point. Dorian is the mode when you use the 2nd note as your root note, the thing everything centers around (both melodies and chord progressions). If you're not basing your thinking around that particular note, you're not playing Dorian. You're just noodling around on the major scale. And to be aware of your notes in relation to that tonal center (the root), it really helps to be able to think in terms of chord tones.

Let me know if this is making sense. It took me a while to feel comfortable with the topic, and it's pretty hard to condense it into a couple posts.

>>71969411
You can't into physics.

>>71970152
Not only that but the guitar was released only five years ago and it was cheaper new.

>>71970169
It makes complete sense. One question I do have on the topic is how you make the second note of the major scale, in this case the "Dorian note", the "focus"? How can you make other notes sound like they are being based on that note in specific(2nd note "Dorian") instead of the root. Do you avoid the root note at all cost?
Also, please, feel free to continue, I am learning a whole lot from this section. I truly do appreciate it anon-sensei.

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>>71968891
make new ones nigga

you gotta make at least 30 dope melodies a day

>>71970169
As for playing modal progressions, I would really, really encourage you to learn about common practice cadences at the very least, which is a good intro to understanding functional harmony. Wikipedia's article on musical cadences is decent (though a bit abstract), but it's a very important concept so I bet you can find some other good explanations of the ideas. I think cadences are pretty intuitive, but defining the intuition can be tricky and might take time to settle in. Using cadences with the basic major key is pretty straightforward, and playing with that is a good idea before applying the idea to modal progressions.

Like with melodic modal playing, creating modal progressions also means writing a progression that "centers" around the note of your mode. The ii V progression (Dm G, in the key of C) that jazz and jam bands love playing over is essentially a Dorian progression if it doesn't resolve to the root chord (Down By The River is a well known example that does this).

>>71970083
Cool. Feel free to ask for any kind of clarification, I'll be here a little longer before I have to leave for work.

>>71970354
I can't believe you post this picture every fucking time

>>71970476
Awesome, I will look for some cadences, and functional harmony articles to get my feet wet on the subject. I will practice on the subject as well after restringing my guitar(new strings yay).

One question tho, is it possible to sound "modal" without a backing track? Stupid question, but I felt the need to ask it lol.

Also, what is your favorite mode, and why? Which mode is your least favorite, and why?

>>71970562

well I do it hoping others will post theirs, Idk

>>71970353
That's a really good question, and it's kind of hard to answer because a lot of it comes down to intuition. It was a gradual understanding about the idea in my case.

But for starters, I'd suggest playing over a progression (or just a single chord) and coming up with phrases that start and end on the "root" of your mode. That's going to immediately frame your playing around that particular note and help put you in that "mode" (and will also sound pretty boring after a bit, but the goal is developing focus, not expression, at this point). Once you feel comfortable with that, experiment with that idea. Maybe make phrases from different chord tones (going upwards in diatonic thirds is really useful), or see other ways you can tweak the idea.

You don't need to avoid any notes, you just have to maintain your focus on your "modal root" or whatever you want to call it. And melodically, that comes down to being mindful of your phrasing and how your notes relate to the root (i.e. "chord tones"/vertical thinking).

>>71970207
You're technically correct, both picks do NOT resist with the same force (at least within a limited amount of time). Let's look at this more in-depth.

When applying force on a rigid object, it resists with a counter-force of the same magnitude and 180° phase shifted, i.e. in the opposite direction. F_C(t) = -F (note that t does not appear on the right side of the equation, i.e. the counter-force is time-invariant.)
When applying force on a spring-like object, the counter-force is time-dependent with F_C(t) = F*(e^(-Ct) - 1) where F is the initial force and C is a constant whose unit is s^-1. As you can see it is an exponential function which approaches -F for t -> infinity and which starts out at 0. This means that while the floppy object INITIALLY doesn't resist the force, after a certain time determined by its stiffness (here C), it will resist with almost exactly the same amount of force as a rigid object.
The fact that the pick doesn't resist the force initially means that it stores energy, by bending. This energy is released once the applied force vanishes, leading to the pick oscillating. The exact nature of the oscillation depends on the pick's stiffness and shape as well as extraneous factors (grip strength, mainly). In any case, this oscillation is dampened and stops after a short time.

I think what I'm used to and perceive as "responsiveness" is this progressive counterforce and the oscillation of the pick after "releasing" it. In any case, with thick picks these effects are less pronounced.

>>71970644
Awesome, excellent practice idea anon. I will practice that along my phrasing. That's another thing tho, how do you jazz musicians(I am assuming you play jazz, based on your knowledge in music theory, because let's face it, only jazz players care about music theory lol jk) never run out of interesting licks? How can I work on my phrasing so that I always come up with interesting licks, and not the same boring, muscle memory kind of licks. Thanks a lot anon.

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Hell is being a beginner at guitar. How do you find the motivation to keep practicing, especially for multiple hours a day?

>>71970728
The fact that i'm enjoying it

>>71970728

Mix it up! Find some songs to play along with and mix that up with dexterity exercises. Starting out slow and then going faster bit by bit is addicting.

>>71970573
>One question tho, is it possible to sound "modal" without a backing track?
Yes, totally. But it's trickier and requires a good familiarity with the idea to do it consistently.

>Also, what is your favorite mode, and why? Which mode is your least favorite, and why?
I'm not sure I have a "favorite" but I end up playing Dorian and Lydian a lot when I'm just noodling at home. I also like messing with the jazz minor scale's modes a lot (basically the melodic minor scale).

Locrian is my least favorite as far as the OG major scale modes. It's not that I don't like Locrian, it's just a difficult one of work with that doesn't have a lot of outside application (especially when there are similar scales/modes I like/use more).

>>71970728
retarded fucking frogposter. what the fuck do you mean " How do you find the motivation to keep practicing"? why did you get a guitar in the first place, you retarded mouth breather, if you cant be motivated to practice

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>>71970789
pls no bully anon-senpai

>>71970778
>Find some songs to play along with

I suck so much that I can't play along with anything.

>>71970728

Just do it, something popped into your head, pick it up until you figure out how to play it, maybe you played something really awesome by mistake, maybe you found a question to ask us, just do it.

>>71970798
Then try to loop a passage or something in a song and start out with just one note, and you just try to nail it every time. When you feel you can do that well then you add another one and so on.

>>71970798
>>71970835

The best thing about playing guitar is that there's no race. You take your time, take it slow and steady and make sure you play something cleanly before you start to go fast. Build up some muscle memory, do chromatic and picking exercises.

>>71970779
Cool, I too, like the sound of Lydian, and Dorian a lot. One of the main reasons why I wanted to start playing modally is because I want my playing to be more "exotic", and to not rely on the pentatonic scales so much. Not that playing pentatonic scales is bad, but it kind of gets old after a while.

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How many ply does a neck have to be before being considered plywood ?

Ibanez 11 neck ply. Like wtf

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>>71970928
>Ibanez 11 neck ply. Like wtf

>11 Neck ply

Wow they are really above the game. most necks ive seen on a guitar was 4.

>>71970724
First of all, I think every musician occasionally gets the feeling that they're playing something stale or overdone. Always strive to improve, and don't get overly frustrated if you feel stuck. Happens to everyone, including the best improvisors.

That said, I think skilled improvisors do a few things that set them apart from who play stock licks. For one, they have a strong connection with their internal musical ear and their instrument, look at guys like George Benson and Keith Jarrett who sing along with their playing. That's actually a really good exercise to reinforce that connection. Being able to do that means you're only limited by your creativity (within the realm of your technique), instead of struggling to find those notes on your instrument.

But on top of that, jazz musicians know many ways to play over a progression or chord, and they've practiced and internalized those ideas to death, while the average musicians know one or two scales and some licks. Just being aware of the vertical/horizontal thinking and chord tones makes ideas like substitutions, altered scales and so on much easier to deal with.

Also, practice your scales in many different ways, other than just straight up and down. Practice them in sequences (e.g. 123,234,345,456,567,671) and in different intervals, like all fourths, (e.g 14736251).

I've got to take off, but hope that gives you some stuff to mess with. Don't get frustrated if it doesn't sink in immediately. Some of this shit I learned years ago and didn't click intuitively until way, way later.

just bought an indonesian squier affinity for $50
did i fuck up?

>>71970597
I'll post mine tomorrow. Still working on it

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>>71970011
>got [guitarist] edition guitar 10 years ago
>hardly played

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What you played/What you expected/What you got
guitar edition

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>>71971118
template

>>71971024
Dude thanks a lot for this valuable lesson on music. I can't tell how much I appreciate your time. Have a great day at work anon. I will practice all afternoon with this great new acquired knowledge. Cheers!

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>>71969327
If that's really you, you haven't posted in quite some time.

/r/ a camera that i can plug into a computer and record its output from the pc like a webcam (or an actual webcam that doesnt get blurry at any minimal movement and has shitty image quality)

Whats /gg/ string cleaner?

Fast fret here

>>71971582
mineral oil from himalaya mixed with Nz bees wax.

I shit you not

>>71971240
That's really me. I think I posted a couple of months ago.

>>71971582
Just buy elixirs and never need string cleaner again

>>71971794
>never need string cleaner again
didnt happen

>>71967054
Don't listen to this guy
>>71967072
Tele's should only ever be used as background noise, get a strat for lead or a humbucking guitar, NOT A SHITTY TELE

>>71971860
>background noise
lol
teles cut through better than a thin strat

>>71971881
they don't cut through shit, its tone has no character and its unninteresting

>>71971118
What makes a jaguar so popular for noise?

>>71971976
you can make it loud as fuck

>>71971957
as i already said, its beefy. has more mids as opposite to strat's scooped sound. strats have more treble but its only useful for piercing the ear cause its notes itself are bland in a full band mix

>>71972005
It goes louder than other guitars? That's it? Does it affect the tone or could you just get a louder amp?

>>71972138
both

>>71971582
don't use any of that crap

just get some rubbing alcohol, put it in a cloth (i use a ripped up tshirt), wrap it around a string tightly, lift up on the cloth, and slide up and down along the string. cleans most of the shit off. just try not to touch the fretboard with the alcohol and you're good. it dries quickly too.

>>71972110
the bridge pickup at least

middle position is like a snappier mid-pos les paul

7:03
https://youtu.be/OUu0GkY3ago

Ive never seen this Zep vid before
High quality, colorful image from 1969

https://youtu.be/YTtGSNICXEM

>>71972397
Has anyone ever counted, how many times the words "baby" and "woman" appear in Zeppelin lyrics?

>>71972397
i wonder how many horses had their hair cut to fix jimmys bows

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look at what I got my grabby hands on

>>71969809
Heard it was the opposite. Shortens tbe lifespan but brightens the sound

>>71971118
So was it good?

>>71973140
ehh. it's alright

>>71966813
Practice these techniques:

https://youtu.be/1eGbr3e9P-Y

>>71969130
Here's a video in Italian but you should be able to pick up a thing or two about getting a Dorian sound if you pay attention.

https://youtu.be/hEIiRb1CVrU

Back at it again.

Show Pickguy your pick.

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>>71970728
Just do it, faggot.

>>71973682
Dude, this is a suprisingly good video. I am lucky that I speak spanish, so I can more or less make out a few words in italian. Thanks a lot for the vid man.

>>71971024
This is a good post.

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>>71973766

>>71967795
I'm left handed but I use a mouse, play sports, and play guitar with my right, just because it's easier for me. You'd have to make sure it works for you, but try to be rightie if you can

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>>71973766
Switched from Dunlop to Wegen.

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>>71974225

>>71974774
GP 250 is a superb pick.

>>71974225
too much money for a pick, are they worthy?

>>71974915
>$15 is too much for the thing you strike your strings with and produce much of your tone with

Why are guitarists so fucking cheap?

>>71974985
>$15 for a single pick when less expensive brands that have been proven to be tried and true can be had in multiples for a fraction of the cost

>>71974915
Yes. Jazz III was so small that it started to hurt my hand. That was the main reason I wanted something else between my fingers. Wegen plays a lot more smoothly, because the tip is beveled and the material seems to have less friction. The grip is great too. Not as deep as in Big Stubby for example and the grooves prevent rotation. Jazz III is more accurate but GP is more versatile and the risk of me hitting a string with my thumb is also smaller. Tremolo picking is easier and I don't have to move the pick between my fingers as much depending on what I'm playing. Gave the other one for my friend to try and he soon asked, if I want to sell it.

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Sup guys, so I've been teaching myself guitar over a year or so and I'm thinking of buying my first tube amp and a cab. I'm looking at the Marshall ma50h as far as amps. I haven't even started researching cabs yet. Does anyone have experience with this amp? Here is a pic of my gutting my shitty squire. Some of my favorite bands are ac/dc, iggy and the stooges, nirvana, the Sex Pistols, I also l kurt cobains tone which is what I'm kinda chasing while learning more about the instrument

>>71975093
>Why buy a Porsche, when you can have a Lada for much less

>>71974225
is that fucking comic sans

>>71975452
Yes. Their website is equally pretty:
http://www.wegenpicks.com/

Should I play Persona 5 sub or dub?

>>71975600
Every musician asks himself this question atleast once in their life. The answer is always sub.

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>>71975600
Is persona 5 actually better than other VN games or is it just more well known?

>>71975600
this >>71975609

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rate my guitar

>>71961494
Is this actual Roman?

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>>71970354

>>71976820
-Binds at the bridge
-bad tremolo
-ugly
+weird
+more switches than pickups
+master tone and volume
+not boring pickups
-massive headstock
-neck dive
-pearloid tuners

If no adjustable truss rod 1/10
Otherwise 6.5/10

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>>71976926
lurk moar noob

>>71960633
How often should I change my guitar strings?

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>>71977359

>>71977399
once a month if you have to ask that. make sure to stretch new strings and clean them after every session

>Premier Guitars latest issue has "how to set up your jazzmaster/jaguar" as the cover article

Fucking lmao you twink faggots are useless

>>71977359
>>71977423
Newfriend here, who is Roman?

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Just ordered this today

Did I fuck up /gg/?

>>71977449
He's the Antichrist of /gg/.

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>>71977449
he's a little crazy person. he makes up to 85% of the posts in /gg/ while pretending to be different people

>>71977471
Well it may be pricy, but it is a nice guitar, so you probably won't regret it too much. That's the finish you chose? Nice look.

>>71977471
YES YES YOU FUCKED UP

>>71977471
no

>>71977359
>>71977423
>>71977449
>>71977477
>>71977483
I think he really did get a job, I've noticed /gg/ has slowed waaaay down these last few weeks.

>>71977483
He does shitpost here but calling all shitty posts froosh is way off. I been here a few years and froosh is easy to spot. There's more than one guy here who disagrees with you, 85% of the time.

>>71977483
I'm pretty sure he's a mod now lol

>>71977545
every time I've been in one of these threads where it goes to total shit it's always him. always. he drops his stupid frustrante reaction images after it gets so bad that everyone leaves but you can always tell it's him even before he does that

>>71977433
Thanks. Just proving myself right. Told I was wrong to change the same ones I've had for over a year. I like Martin silk and steels for my acoustic.

>>71968966
>>71974129
I took a look at both today and didn't really feel a big difference between either but I also barely knew what I was doing so however much that helps.

>>71977606
for gods sake don't give him any ideas man

>>71977670
If God wasn't such a lazy mod, he should permaban Froosh from time and space.

>>71977861
ok we can stop talking about him now. thanks

>>71977951
Legend has it if three different posts say his name in succession three times... he will appear...

did anyone save that long ranting video the real Froosh posted? i know youll read my post soon because you ctrl f for your name so please reupload it. thanks cutie.

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>>71977646
Which do you use? I can't quite figure out the difference here. I think the marquis have silver plating on the wound strings? I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

>>71978012
you mean the real froosh john frustrante or roman?

>>71978050
i think at this point hes all three.

>>71978071
if you're talking about roman I'd like to see it desu

>>71977985
roman...

>>71978092
i dont have it. id be surprised if nobody saved it. our weirdos here save every single picture we post of guitars. someone should have done it.

or you know froosh, just make another one.

>>71977449
if you don't know here it is
roman is all the following people
frusciante poster
pete
hyena
crazyaga
vape poster
paul poster
dog poster
anime poster
pasta poster
brandon
jesse
and the list goes on and on probably
if a post looks and smell like bait it's roman
>>71978226
>our weirdos here save every single picture we post of guitars
no only roman does that

>>71978368
you forgot pi/gg/u poster

>>71978393
fucking hell he adds a new one every few days it seems

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The pig persona was odd even for roman. I didn't like that one at all. He's probably going to have a break down soon.

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>>71978368
>mfw this fucker is certifiable

Are there any tremolos that fit the Tune-O-Matic stud holes that aren't giant ugly Bigsby's? I want something compact and similar to a Floyd.

>>71978486
he claims it was all a ban evasion stint, but more than likely that's just to make it seem like he has bigger fish to fry than us little people at /gg/

>>71966540
>>71966553
genuinely fell asleep after posting the reply.
it's not. you can set a compressor up to work exactly the same way as a limiter.
depending on the limiter they might have a set compression ratio on them which whoever designed it thinks works the best.
Anything 10:1 and over is usually considered limiting rather than compressing.
As for attack/release, you can limit with a standard compression attack, but the faster the attack the more you brickwall your sound, especially with a high compression ratio.
You can do it all in a compressor, and you probably get more freedom to experiment, but limiters are gonna have their own output sound which you might not be able to distinctly recreate

>>71978638
Floyd has a suitable model. You could have at least done some basic research.

>>71961509
I just like the style of it

>>71978648
you're talking about when he posted the pigs over and over?

>>71978774
yes

>>71978795
yeah I don't know what that was all about. maybe he went off his meds or some shit and turned manic

>>71973186
I got the Johnny Marr model and it's OK
Kinda underwhelmed by it

>>71978638
>tremolos
What? You mean Cheeky Tremblers?

>>71977471
a friend of mine has a dot that rules, but its b-stock (paint job is fucked) so he got it mad cheap. idk if id pay full price for it but have fun :)

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never 4get /gg/

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Threads always go downhill when discussion is meta /gg/. Please try to stay on topic. I'm not saying all discussion has to be serious business, but it always goes a lot better if it's guitar related.

>>71979131
I agree but there's no one in here right now dude

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I'm looking into acoustic strings for my archtop, and I usually keep strings on until they break, or about a year. Anyone know any good long-lasting strings for this purpose? I do tend towards middle of the road tension, as I like to be able to play hard to achieve buzz if desired, but also have a fair dynamic range before buzz occurs. I'm only interested in round wound or polished/ground/pressured strings.

On electric I've found d'addario very long lasting, but I'm not sure I should assume acoustic strings will be the same.

>>71979286
>leaving strings on for a YEAR
what is wrong with you?

>>71979286
>or about a year.

What the fuck are you people even doing

>>71979343
>>71979366
>replying to romans bait
jfc
see
>>71978368
>anime poster
learn now

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>>71979010

>>71979343
Just a tonal choice, man. I know it's unusual, but I don't tend to corrode strings unlike most other people when I sweat, so for me it makes more sense to get strings that take a while to break in and get mellow than to get strings that start out mellow which I have to replace often.

Don't get me wrong, I hate gross strings as much as anyone, but strings just don't get nasty as quickly when I play. I know I'm in the minority there.

>>71969130
A mode is a different set of notes, if you use the notes that are different than the "normal" scale you'll sound like you are playing in that mode

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>>71979286
>>71979536
He's heeeeeeere!

>>71969411
> being this retarded

>>71960925
Sound is purely subjective

>>71979658
That's not how modes work, eg: D dorian contains the same notes as C major and A minor.

Anyone know what its called when a bass has guitar strings next to the bass ones. I know led zepplins bassist used it when he played that concert with the guitarist from queens of the stone age

>>71979750
stop roman there's no one in here right now

>>71979666
Man, this is what I'm talking about. When everything is focused on your favorite shitposter and meta /gg/, you can't even talk about what strings you like. If you love shitposting and apparently replying to shitposters, then you need to go to /b/.

I swear to god, nearly every aspect of guitar has a hundred answers, and if your response to anything different is "what the fuck," there's not even conversation to be had.

>>71970702
Did this nigger make up some physics bullshit to support his dumb idea of why he prefers a certain type of pick?

That's dedication. Or autism. Probably both.

>>71979750
Just a doubled or 8 string bass. They aren't guitar strings, though. Generally they are higher tension for a more even tone.

>>71979734
shit you're right, i'm just shit at explaining what i'm thinking.

i Think i'm trying to say that how you accentuate certain notes is important, but maybe i'm retarded and i don't actually know what i'm talking about

>>71979808
He's just trying to be funny.

>>71979804
>>71979808
>posts almost exactly 1 min apart
your slipping roamie

>>71979828
Oh I just assumed those were guitar strings because they were in between each bass string and was smaller then even the average getting for bass. But I have heard of some one putting guitar strings on a bass like that and I kinda wanted to try it out because the guitarists in my band are undeticated as fuck

>>71979750
It's called coursed strings you fucking retard.

>>71979901
G string*

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>>71979848
This is about as far as I've gotten with modes too. I know you can get a modal sound if you play those notes over a drone of the root note of the mode you want to play.

So if you play the notes of C major over an A drone, it sounds like A minor, and if you play them over a D drone they sound like D dorian. I don't know how it worth regarding chords though.

>>71979873
I'm not roamie, I'm just retarded.

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>>71979924
You hurt my feelings m8

>>71979901
They are meant to mostly be played simultaneously with the paired string, and are tuned one octave up from the double. Same as a mandolin or a 12 string guitar. Well, some mandolins, and most 12 strings, also have unison pairs on the upper strings.

>>71979963
Fuck your feelings. If you can't fucking Google the correct terminology before shitposting, then you deserve to get your feelings hurt.

>>71980008
Dont cut yourself on that edge m8

am i retarded to buy a guitar more for its appearance rather than how good it actually is

What's a good book on music theory?

>>71980074
Not if you already own a good guitar

I'm really glad this terrible thread's almost over.

>>71980074
Looks are nice but always keep the sound in mind

>>71980074
no youre just a typical /gg/ poster

>>71979343
I tend to change strings when they need to be changed, time aside. I've got some guitars that get little use and haven't been changed in three years. Those strings are fine. My primary 2 guitars get changed every 2-3 months.

>>71979666
Welcome, satan.

>>71980076
Mein Kampf nigger

>>71972624
Let us know what ya think anon. I've been jonesing for one of the Al/wood-insert necked Kramers for a bit. Heard some good things and some bad things though

If I repaint my guitar should I paint the neck too or leave it as it is (just wood finish)

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>>71980533
Rubbed oil finish anon, feelsgood. Painted necks are gnarly imo, don't feel good sliding up and down, often too sticky

>>71980533
Leave it as it is. Painted guitar necks generally feel a bit stickier, plus nobody cares what the back of your neck looks like. Wood necks are easier to sand and oil should the neck get worn enough to need it.

>>71980573
>>71980590
I have another guitar with a painted neck and it doesn't feel sticky. But I think I'll take your advice. Thanks /gg/

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>>71978368
The anime posting is a bunch of people

>>71980573
i used to have a glossy black Epiphone LP, and holy shit I hated that neck but it was so pretty I couldn't sand it. the only plus I can see about a glossy neck is when lubricated with sweat and shit playing live it became slippery which was kinda inspiring in a weird way

sold it for 100 bucks to some kid like a decade ago. i actually like the cheap matte finish they put on my gibson melody maker though, the neck on it feels amazing

>>71977399
Once every 3 months or so desu. Anybody who says that's outrageous is an ADHD scrublet.

>>71980861
Very glad to say the only gloss-painted guitars I own are pretty comfy too. But they're older, one has the gloss on the neck basically worn off, the other two are old nitro finishes, and despite being a gloss finish, don't get sticky unless they're wet. All in all, not that bad.

Most modern poly finishes though make for nasty sticky necks.

And yeah, the satin finishes on the more modern Gibbos are pretty decent. I played a Les Paul Standard faded model a few months back, was quite memorably a good finish on the neck. Whole thing was nice, really.

>>71980900
This mostly. Depends on your needs though. Strings sound new for about 4-5 hours of heavy playing. After that they hold out for a while without too much change. Then they start sounding and looking like shit after a month. Typical at-home guitar player should only have to swap once every 2-3 months or so. All of this is assuming you take good care of them and you don't sweat lemon juice.

When playing shows though, it's important to swap your strings out far more often.

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where can I get this?

>>71981044
i have a buddy with meat hands, he will literally make strings go dead in like 5 minutes. just nasty, nasty hamburger hands. sucks too, because he has really nice guitars and I can never enjoy playing them because when you run your hand down the neck you just feel chunks of hamburger and dickcheese all over the strings.

>>71962718
I'd go something by Seymour Duncan. I think they have some "jazz" pickups that probably sound good. Throw in super distortions if you want some hott pickups

>bass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHa6GoiwjY

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>>71981471
God, I know people like this and I feel so bad for their instruments. One dude is oblivious to it all and takes no steps to clean his hands or his strings once he's done mangling them.

He sounds okay though.

for how many hours a day you shitpost

>>71979808
>I don't understand, therefore it must be bullshit
Shit I forgot brainlets are allowed to post here.

>>71981641
yes

>>71981581
Leave these lands