/classical/

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>>71617682

>>71635508
>essential
>Mussorgsky

you must not be serious

>>71635508
Pleb tier

>>71635585
i found it in 4chan music wikia

>>71635614
It's a decent entry level list, although the recordings picked leave a lot to be desired.

>>71635621
Well he's just a drunk with no conception of meter.

Friedman's transcription of Mahler's minuetto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE3Oq124CDg

>>71635813
was Mahler the biggest shitposter of his era?

>>71635870
>classical period guide
>mozart, haydn and beethoven, the list goes on...

>(1750-1830)
>pergolesi who is randomly included as filler died 1736

>salieri; overtures

Kill yourself

>>71635870
>Bernstein
>Not Furtwängler
>Not Toscanini
>Not even Bernstein's Live Berlin Performance of the 9th while the Wall was torn down
At least it isn't yours.

>>71635870
This one is just bad.

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JQm5aSjX6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FdNlhZAYBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REu2BcnlD34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGQLXRTl3Z0

>>71636705
Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweAry37KUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVF-33A9HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

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Schnittke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHamoW_O5hY

>>71637525
SUCKS

>>71637706
only if you're a common practice pleb

>>71637722
no schnittke sucks

there is good modern music schnittke sucks lol

>>71637722
>common practice
>pleb
Pick one

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>>71637722
>>71637733
>>71637744
wew digits

Lehar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRocGqhcTFg

How old are you guys?
Did any of you actually graduate high school?

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>>71635423
Marais
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5afkIn_eF0

>>71637733
>there is good modern music schnittke sucks lol
Your use of English betrays your lack of intelligence, which explains why you can't understand Schnittke.

>>71638216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34M4gK3lW9U

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>>71638216
stfu nerd

>>71638045

check out this dope Marias!

https://youtu.be/4DzmkLEn3fA

>>71638465
>haha church bells xdd

>>71638045
Nice, it reminds me of this. Starts at 5:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZcVsLO5isc

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>Marais, Rameau and Lully are universally well received
>Chopin, Debussy, etc. receives massive amounts of flak
Really makes you think doesn't it? Maybe, just maybe, that French music really ended with Lully??

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Is bach good

>>71638652
I like you anime-baroque poster but dont get too ahead of yourself

Also shitpin was polish

>>71638842
Just half kidding of course.

What's some /lit/core classical?
There's Verdi's Falstaff and Othello (along with Rossini's Othello too)
Shosty's Macbeth (I haven't listened to it or any of his operas so I dunno if it's any good)
Strauss' Also sprach Zarathustra & Don Quixote

>>71638768
Bach? Heh.... More like B*g!

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>>71638972
>Shosty's Macbeth

>>71638972
Benjamin Britten's Billy Budd and Death in Venice

>>71638768
One of the best

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>>71639064
post good bach!

>>71638768
>>71639045
>>71639075
posts like these almost make me convince myself i'm talking to actual anime girls

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>>71639075
Its hard to post Bach that isn't good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXZtGyFyDo

>>71638652
>Chopin
>French

Then Stravinsky was American.

also you are elevating the "flak" from the level of shitposting.

>>71639113
Fuck off poly

>>71638240
Did Schinttke compose that? Sounds like him when he's actually trying to write tonally

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>>71639120
p-please n-no bully!

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>tfw mawluh 1 is actually pretty good

>>71639113
The best Bach is actually BWV 1070 but a decent recording can't be found on YT.

>>71639216
This is how it starts senpai. I got hooked on Mahler 1, especially dat 2nd movement. Then I listened to the 7th and fell in love with that. Now I support the idea of an independent Jewish state. Oy vey

>>71639251
More like Bachlodytes amirite? :^l

>>71639216
>mahler was a manlet
that explains a lot of things

>>71639216
What recording were you listening to?

>>71639311
B*rnstein unfortunately. I just clicked a YouTube video with sheet music to give it a quick listen.

For once Mahler didn't make me sleep. What do you recommend I'm not a recording autist

>>71639338
Abaddo is Mahler Kino

>>71639338
My personal favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gexnIbK-pJA

>>71639367
Not sure what you meant but Abaddo is not good at Mahler, little interpretation is to be found

>>71639369
Look at that guy on the podium

>>71639129
Of course he did. Its from his gogol suite, which is excellent.

>>71639379
>Abaddo is not good at Mahler
Strongly disagree, he's one of the best of the last 30 years.

>>71639446
fuck off poly

>>71639484
ikr fuck goyim

Anonymous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S7JJD1YGhc

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>be based Schumann
>spend your childhood and teenagehood reading literature and poetry
>decide to become a piano virtuoso when you're 20
>you fuck up your hands
>decide to become a great composer
>study furiously composition
>in 1 years you're already composing your piano sonatas
>become a virtuoso in composition almost immediatly
>tfw you're able to compose faster than Mozart without the aid of any instrument
>end up writing for every classical genre but opera (well, he did that too but he did not excel in it)
>virtually every major German romantic composer downright steal your aesthetic and ideas
>while you're doing this you're also writing reviews of contemporary composer
>you're sophisticated as fuck, so you immediatly pick from their Op.1 all those composers who will make history, missing on your mark literally 0 times
>on top of that you manage to marry the best female pianist in Europe, and have a beautiful, romantic relationship with her and the children she will give you


based Schumann is severely undereated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSXtXLAVgkE
w&b

>>71639658
sounds like the life of a beta cuck to me lmao

>>71639784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywSzjRq0e4

>>71639784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMukLZGaE0I

>>71639788
is this supposed to be bullying

>>71639784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyeAEfplbhg

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>>71639797
Good post

>>71639858
[this post has been removed] -moot

>>71639867
huh? who is moot?

>>71635508
why in the hell there is no Wagner on this liszt ?

>>71639953
too antisemitic for /classical/, remember the 6 billion

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Vivaldi
Op 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMtvmgptyg
Op 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kR44VNX2Tw
Op 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYIBkC-pqzQ
Op 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNFeP-KuuBw
Op 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSE4GOeAsIY
Op 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVEURG38YJg
Op 7: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTriIkZHGN0
Op 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAwq38NMsrs
Op 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMLcG2ISXbM
Op 10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrvOQiCx4I
Op 11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yan7IL9t1Ag
Op 12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENGMvVwTm8
Op 13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yim7wqcPY98
Op 14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7cISZMgxw

good post

>>71639216
>tfw love every slow movement that Mahler has ever done
>dislike all the other movements

I guess I just don't like high-speed emotional turbulence. Like, I fucking love the 6th's Andante, one of the best slow movements in anything ever, but dear god every other movement I can't stand. I hate that psuedo-militaristic marching and the highly neurotic final movement just makes me dizzy.

So beautiful, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL1uMH9Ujlw

>>71640060
post the ones you hate the most

>>71640063
Second mvt of the 5th, and the finale of the 6th are my least favorite things he's written

Weirdly enough I don't find the bombast in the 8th that annoying, despite it probably being his loudest piece. Aside from which, the Faust is pretty quiet most of the time and pretty soothing

>>71640060
>tfw everytime I hear Mahler, LOTGH scenes play out in my head

>>71635423
when i had top 40 on i felt like suffering

this on the other hand is high quality and non-stressful

>>71640087
I don't know, the second movement under Fischer is pretty amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn2J0_I1Ak4

>>71639977
everyone has be antisemitical for all time (except the jews themselves). Its only recently it went out of fashion.

>>71639982
Baroque is beautiful, that's why they call it a pearl.

>>71640261
yeah, ok, just go ahead and excuse the fact that Wagner killed 6 trillion jews

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>>71640261

>>71640147
>Stacatto trombones notes at 1:17 completely flaccid and probably playing at mp or mf
lost me there.

I mean they're block staccato chords marked sf, surely he wanted them to stand out not blend in the background.
Fischer was going pretty well up to that point, good tempi, handling the polyphony well and keeping it all together.

>>71640087
Don't worry, even Mahler was questioning what monstrosity he had created after the premiere of the 5th.

>>71640290
that's a bit of a nitpick, you've gotta look at the whole interpretation

>>71640280
Vivaldi is a beautiful boy, I'd give him a pearl necklace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-cbAqHjnjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aaAmGbjQKA

>>71640324
eh getting something so basic wrong (at least compared to most other interpretations, and the information in the score) throws me off straight away. I dont really want to look at the whole interpretation after that limp handling of important brass parts

>>71640367
two seconds of trombones being less poignant, you're being ridiculous

it's not a mistake, it's a matter of interpretation, just like mahler himself wouldn't get everything right

>>71640392
At least Mahler would make notes marked sf have some impact.

Where's sforzando anon when you need him

>>71640417
seconded

fuck indians

>>71640261
>>71640400
Guess that confirms it that the janitor is a /pol/-browsing germanaboo.

>>71640429
Surely you're using hyperbole

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I have Gymnopedie No.1 on repeat am I a pleb?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU

>>71640668
Probably more like all of bogfag's posts got a couple of reports. Typically whenever that happens, they just indiscriminately delete all of that IPs posts at once and then ban the user.

>>71641045
I can guarantee you it wasn't just bogfag but multiple people that got caught in the deletion spree.

t. got posts deleted as well

>>71641058
Considering there were a few unrelated posts from hours ago that were deleted as well, there was certainly a blanket deletion from one or two more IPs, at the very least.

Oh well. Not like it matters.

>>71637976
I'm 27 as of last Wednesday.

>>71637525
This kind of joke composition and self-aware performance I can really get behind. Much better than the usual 'seeking for new boundaries' kind of 'music'. He's basically making fun of modernists. What's not to like?

>>71641058

My own bogposts never get deleted because they actually contain salient points about Classical music, unlike 90% of the comments in this general, and 100% of the comments posted by B*ch fans.

Granted, I've seen plenty of awful bogposts, this IS /classical/, where people just mechanically replaced a word with "bog" in an otherwise shitty pointless comment that contains no information and has nothing to with music or anything else, just like all comments in this thread.

/mu/ IS a bad board, but this fucking general is almost 2009 /b/-tier. It's worse than /r/classicalmusic.

>>71641374
>It's worse than /r/classicalmusic.
Then go there faggot
you won't be missed

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>>71639075
I get it that a lot of you are shitposting, but I'm not. Bach's cantatas are among my favourite musical compositions ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopQG0Gjgmo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jh-riSkA2A
(the one's chorale was not composed by Bach, he only rearranged it)

In fact, I think that the Matthaeus Passion oratorio is the very best musical composition ever. (And in case you're wondering, no I'm not religious.)

>>71641443
>i could refute that OR i could double down and confirm it

hmmm

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>>71641510
I don't need to refute it because you've already done it for me.

You're still here, aren't you?

>>71641482
>>71639075
The Herreweghe recording in anon's chart is very good, and probably optimal for a familiarisation listen, but to me the best performance of the oratorio is under Klamperer's direction. It's a lot slower than the first (a full hour longer) but that really brings out the tension in the composition. There are a couple of arias where Bach veers really, really close to breaking harmony but always pulls back and resolves the dissonance in interesting ways, and to great dramatic effect. Imagine Michelangelo's David (muscles strained but controlled) in musical form. Plus, it features some of the best opera singers of the second half of the 20th century.

Phillipe Herreweghe --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jh-riSkA2A
Otto Klamperer --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc3bS2E7GME

>>71641841
Woops, wrong first link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT8DFLjWdC8

>>71641951
>british and american anons are this mad

Ahah your music (and your art in general) sucks

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The trick to not falling asleep during a Theme and Variations is to get yourself really really really familiar with the Theme.

I'm in love with this Russian folk music right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE66UeiOkt0

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>>71642041
Maybe you'll like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWFbiJmc-Ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GzzmZOFW9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz3ZIhtOu2U

They're orchestral arrangements of 3 folk songs.

>>71641970

Imperceptibly so too.

>piano teacher told me today that I should NEVER practice with a metronome

So... is he right?
He's russian and he's quite good at playing, but what he has told me today is in direct contradiction with the modus operandi of every other teacher I've studied with.

>>71642286
a metronome will force you to practise too slowly during bits you're comfortable with (and therefore waste time) and pratise too fast during the difficult bits (and therefore run the risk of practising mistakes).

I'd say he's mostly right, although there are times when a metronome is useful: for example, during the difficult chromatic runs on Prokofiev's Toccata, where it's useful to play it against a metronome really slowly, and gradually increase the speed on the metronome until you're playing it up to speed.

CPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbOFDNlZma4

>>71639075
BWV 899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGpeROr2zFY
BWV 896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b13mCShoufM
BWV 979
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQwQSWTw71U
BWV 981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an2UH_6tf98
BWV 965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwwCWeRjZak
BWV 966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0aOomtS3A

Underrated works

>>71642286
There are definitely times where a metronome is really fucking necessary but if you want to be a musical musician, limit it as much as possible (which you probably already know, but I'd say he's slightly correct).

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>>71642843
> (which you probably already know, but I'd say he's slightly correct).

If I have be honest he never explained to me why I shouldnt use it. He just told me that he used only once to keep Beethoven sonata at tempo and that's it. After that he was somehwat passive aggressive (''do what you want, who am I after all?'').
I obvously understand why I should not use the metronome in most pieces I will practice with him, but I don't really know why I shouldn't use it when practicing scales and arpeggiated chords.

>>71642286
Probably to develop a metronome inside your head.

Which are the Vivaldi pieces I must have in my library?

>>71643583
None, desu
There are many beautiful pieces by Vivaldi, but none of them is sublime enough to justify an obsession for him
Buy instead a full set of Domenico Scarlatti's sonatas (although there are not full sets, the Michelangeli one should be in your library).

>Perlemuter was still playing Ravel's Scarbo in his 90s
I guess there is still hope for me. Maybe, after all, I haven't started too late.

Petzold

>>71643197
Not using it in scales and arpeggios is strange but it's probably what >>71643229 said.
I don't think it's a terrible thing to use it for scales/arpeggios and certainly if you're having issue use it.

So I loved Mass in B Minor. Recommend me some other masses.

>>71638652
>shitalians

>>71644258
Mass in C Minor

>>71644277
any recommended recording?

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>>71644258
Missa Solenmis

>>71638652
Rameau came after Lully.
Also there are composers that recieve no amount of flak whatsoever, namely giants such as Saint-Saens, Faurè and Saint-Saens.

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>>71644353

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>>71639075
J.S. Bach BWV 903, Chromatic Fantasia and Fugue in D minor for harpsichord.

-- Traditionalist (Romantic) interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtCBH6XWauo
Standard way to play it adapted for the (grand) piano (and my personal preference). Since that's one of the main advantages of the [pianoforte], dynamic control is emphasised, with a lot of pedal use. The lower notes are sustained and used as a canvas; the higher ones are accentuated. Rubato is not avoided. Evocative of dreamy restlessness when done right (this is what an elf buzzing through a meadow sounds like; trust me I heard them once when I was lost innawoods).
>that effortless switching between modal and diatonic phrases
>that seamless modulation and motivic development
>wew, it's like a tapestry woven from a single thread.
No, seriously now, this is great.

-- Revisionist (pseudo- historically informed) interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C54XqG0wwF0
Or Glenn Gould's idea of pretending the piano is a harpsichord. The emphasis is on phrasing and precise tempi. There's no pedal use. Ends up being a struggle between mellowness and mania. (Not my cup of coffee.)

-- Literalist (historically informed) interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glkDuFUmKoI
Played on harpsichord. (Not my cup of coffee either, so I didn't bother to look for the best performance. This one is good enough and well engineered.)

>mfw the |ↄo9 poster's efforts backfired so hard this is now the /Bach/ general
Was that his plan all along? Is he actually tsundere for Bach?

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>>71643583
All of them if you play violin; none if you don't (or you suck).

I'm in love with the last movement of the Beethoven's 14th quartet.
That first violin theme accompanied by that march, and then the ricapitulation one octave higher... it just destroys me. I can't stop myself from taking a pencil, pretending that it's a rapier and wave it around following that theme, almost like I'm leading an entire army to battle.
It's so sublime that even this physical metaphor, which I can't resist, seems lacking.

Similar pieces to this?

gorecki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mEWlGLkjIw

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>Universe 2
>Glenn Gould livest for other 30 years
>anons in Unviverse 2 get to listen to the Glenn Gould podcast

FUCK

>>71645395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fLPBIBOE5U

>>71645955
This has nothing to do with what I've described.

Pisende
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ZcDvoxCpAl

>>71645993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V0X5oyuPUU
dat allegretto

>>71645395
>Similar pieces to this?
Try Brahms' Hungarian Dances. It's three quarters of an hour of a similar style. They're fully orchestrated (obviously) though so if you want that lean quartet texture specifically, tough luck.

>>71644258
Gounod's Saint Cecile's Mass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBERXjW4stE
It's in the same tradition, hard not to like at least something from it.

>>71645395
grosse fuge
serioso 1st mvmt

Petzold

How did people in the pre 20th century train their ears?
I mean, I can simply download a sequence of random chords and start transcribing them down. How did they do that? Did they have to have someone play them for them all the time?

>>71646617
>grosse fuge
He won't like that.

>>71646743
he might.

>>71646725
There's a reason why classical music is considered elitist. Until the 19th century, it was in the provision of the Church and the aristocrats. Musical education was expensive. So the answer is: gee, what do you think?

Schubert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsqC-Wr6XhE

Can anyone possibly identify which performance this is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiddtTQYIfM

How do you call a bass line that goes like:
C#
D#
E
B#
And then starts over?
I remember reading a name associated to that sequence but i can't remember it

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Veracini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hz13El5Ovw

Biber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fJbwx2TajY

Does anyone know a good program for APE to FLAC conversion?

>>71648493
foobar

>>71648299
B#? What tuning system are you using? Microtonal?

Am I a pleb for liking Ralph Vaughan Williams?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQoP9iLwoos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR2JlDnT2l8

>>71647516
Never mind, I identified it myself: it's the Russian State Symphony Orchestra conducted by Valery Poliansky.

>>71648735
His music is pleasant but very simplistic. It gets boring on pretty fast.

Hindemith conducting Pérotin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyfdxNIdcW8

Stop pretending to like modern music.

>>71649387
fuck you

>>71649387
Don't know about the other anons, but I, for one, am not pretending. I even like a couple of the contemporary composers (like Arvo Pärt, Einojuhani Rautavaara;they're nowhere near the level of the old masters, but they're not as bad as the minimalists either).

>>71648580
B# is the leading tone in the key of C#. It can be enharmonically spelled as C natural.

>>71648299
no idea but since it's a repeating figure you could call it an ostinato

>>71645843
thank god the meme man died

>>71648299
passacaglia or chaconne?

>>71642041
Russian folk music is based. It's the majority of what I learn to play/sing on the accordion.

Try thin rowan, зa тихoй peкoю, нaм нyшнa пoбeдa, Кoнь and Кoгдa мы были нa вoйнe

Have some links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDiEe-YVgkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZsjoiFfpXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDAO9fkZD40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk8Bpxrs0rY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYao1Mju7A

>>71649387
Start accepting that modern music reflects modern life. We are no longer riding horses and carriages on cobbled streets, wearing powdered wigs and thinking miasmas are real.

>>71649516

I mean, if you want to pretend that all modern and contemporary art music is just serialism and the 12-tone clique, fine. But that's not how things are at all. Even some of the more out-there, serendipity focused composers are actually pretty interesting, at the very least as a toolbox. And their work lends itself naturally to programmatic and incidental music (case in point: György Ligeti).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7onrjN6RE

The problem with modern and contemporary trends is that they're too iconoclastic, with a deranged drive towards differentiation, which inevitably results in perpetual destruction and necrophagy. The last century's composers did not manage to sublimate this impulse and form a creative musical tradition. The 20th century needed its Wagner. But he never came.

>>71649811
And by the way, I am very sympathetic to the idea that we are living in an era of decay. It's just that, instead of retreating to the past, I embrace J.K. Huysmans attitude towards it all.

>>71649747
>>71648299
>>71649619
So, a heptatonic blues riff?

>>71649516
Arvo Part is a minimalist you moron. Also his music is simplistic. Even more-so than Glass really, although it has more academic polish.

>>71650149
I mean it's just 1-2-3-7 in C# minor

>>71650149
I accidentally quoted one extra. Above post was not meant for
>>71649747
I don't think it's either. Both passacaglia and chaconne ostinato are based on harmonic chord patterns.

Just listened to some John Tavener. Is he good?

>>71650168
Redact that to 'the other minimalists'. His music is simplistic in that it has a simple harmonic structure (just like plainsong, really). That "academic" polish, that search for roots on old fertile soil, makes up for a lot of difference. I really can't stand listening to Glass for more than 5 minutes before I get annoyed (it's repetitive to the point of exhaustion), but I can listen to Pärt for an hour or two and not get bored if I am in the right mood. Sure, he can't keep me engaged for days on end like Bach, Wagner, or Mozart can. But all things in perspective...

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hi is it just me or is modern music garbage?

>>71635423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff-LGGl4wCU

>>71651121
Just you that's garbage

>>71651121
Modern music is garbage

>>71651121
False dichotomy.

>>71651163
>>71651468
hi!
is everyone on this board autistic? :) thanks :)

What's your go-to recital wear /classical/? It better not be dress shirt with tie you filthy plebeian.

>>71651645
open collar white shirt and black trousers
i dont go to recitals for a fashion show

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>>71651645

>>71651645
Dress blues and shako.

>>71651645
I really don't care. I've went to a few concerts dressed as a hobo (they didn't want to refuse me entry since I had pre-paid for the concert, but they made me change seats; after the second time the nice security old man found it very amusing, always saying "oh, it's you again"). Maybe I'm autistic.

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>>71651703

>>71651826
shostakovich on the sleeve

>>71651645
A fedora and kimono.

>[x] is for the heart
>[x] is for the mind
>[x] is for the soul
>[x] is for the dick
What composers does [x] refer to?

>>71651779
>Maybe

>>71651914
Mozart
Bach
Beethoven
Petzold

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>>71651914
Last one is pretty easy to answer (pic related), but what's the difference between the first three?

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>>71651645
Plus a vibrator up my ass

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Have an interesting interview --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klMRmI_z8mI

Which is the most tender b9hoven sonata movement?

>>71651608
judging from this post >>71651121 yes

>>71653742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMGhuuJiXXk

>>71640060
>. I hate that psuedo-militaristic marching and the highly neurotic final movement
Those are the best parts.

>>71641335
Happy Birthday! : 3

>>71651914
>Mozart
>Beethoven
>Bach
>Monteverdi

>>71642041
This is Prokofiev's version of a Russian drinking song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QsRDpsItq0

>>71651645
A trenchcoat, katana and a "Make Donald Drumpf Again" ballcap.

>>71651826
Would wear around the house/ 10

i can't listen to any classical before impressionism desu

debussy, satie, bartók, messiaen, feldman, reich, etc. sound so much more chill than anything before them

Do you guys know any good guides or youtube series or anything to learn piano?
I'm too poor to afford proper lessons

>>71651914
>Mozart
>Wagner
>Verdi
>Lehar

>>71654524
You'd probably enjoy early Renaissance and Mediaeval.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf6zv4hNK8

>>71651914
Beethoven
Bach
Morales
Vivaldi

>>71654711
>>71654524
Actually, I think you'd enjoy late Renaissance music as well, up to early Baroque. Have some Antoine Boësset:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAmUQieNFSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bxHSpUr-WM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD8T2RFWpuw

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I'm afraid to listen to classical because I don't want to be perceived as a pretentious try-hard pseud

How do I avoid this?

>>71654996
Don't care about how people perceive you but also don't act pretentious about it yourself.

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>>71651914
>Rameau
>Fux
>Telemann
>Vivaldi

>>71654711
>>71654872
thank you, I'll give a listen

i noticed ecm doesn't release any classical after the renaissance and before modern classical

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>Classical music is totally public domain guys

>>71655374
IMSLP
M
S
L
P

>>71654996
>I am a normalfag/striver for normalfaggotry
kys

Benda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQt4wiGz5jM

>>71655536
was expecting Georg Anton t b h

>>71650508
He's ok. Taverner is better though. English music seems to be best in the 15th and 16th centuries.

>>71654996
Most people don't think classical is cool so there's no way you could be perceived as "try hard" Who would you be trying to impress? 50 year old musicologists?

>go to a piece of religious music on Youtube
>comment section: "I'm an atheist, BUT..."

every time.

>>71655571
Violin > harpsichord => Franz > Georg

>>71655384
And what, I painstakingly arrange it in midi? I still want to hear the fucking thing

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>>71655677
maybe because people dont believe in a skydaddy anymore unlike retards like u

>>71655726
Violin and harpsichord were made for each other
t. Jean-Marie Leclair

Rimsky-Korsakov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a4ErDx3H4Q

>>71655873
post some Pleyel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbpgjbUWdWs

Why is Bach so amazing?
I like many genres, many composers, but Bach is just something else

Is re-harmonizing an established piece of music a good exercise to practice composition? Or is it just sacrilege?

>>71656363
Don't. This thread is doing well so far. It's morning in Eastern Europe. He's due to click on this thread at any moment.

>>71656363
pls no

>>71656363
Because he's based Bach. Literally the best composer ever.

>>71656175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sBvZh_GI9A

>>71656408
>>71656450
what are you talking about

>>71656408
>>71656450
I'm not a regular of these threads, what am I missing?

How could shostakovich possibly have been so based? Just the indinapolis symphony orchestra play his symphony no. 5 tonight. Although I've been in an orchestra which has played it multiple times I still love his music.

>>71656402
its good practice, you can learn a lot even from copying a piece note for note.

>>71656363
seamless combination of taste and technicality, knows his shit and goes even beyond writing great music to writing great music with symbolism and little things only Bach would know were there.

Like 24 statements of the subject in the first fugue of WTC I (C maj) - a set of 24 preludes and fugues.

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_JV27zFE_w

>>71656485
>>71656514
They mean that you're trying to summon B*gposter.

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>>71655836
But Leclair has always wrote violin-dominated pieces.
>op. 1 trio sonatas for 2 violins and bc
>op. 7 violin concertos
>op. 9 violin sonatas
>op. 10 violin sonatas
Am I missing anything? None of these have the violin and harpsichord on equal footing.
>tfw keyboardists are secretly subs

>>71657120
okay, the harpsichords in the sonatas and assuming a harpsichord is chosen for the bc (because it likely will be) completely make the pieces what they are
it's like saying you can have a choir without tenors or altos because they aren't carrying the melody, stop being so absurd baroque anime poster

Has any music actually provoked a sense of horror for you through its compositional elements? I wanted to ask here because I'm curious if music can be genuinely spoopy without weird vocal effects and uncanny timbres.

>>71657265
Nah I think it's the violin (you know, the instrument leading the voices and melodies) that makes those pieces.
Also I've never said harpsichord is indispensable, just that violin > harpsichord.

>>71657322
b*g

>>71657322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilGthRhwP8
"spoopy vocal effects" and "uncanny timbres" are composition elements.

>>71657337
Sorry, I meant dispensible*

>>71657337
I say both are equally important, Leclair never wrote anything for solo violin after all, and I'm sure he'd roll over in his grave if you tried to perform any of those sonatas without a harpsichord
just because they perform different functions doesn't mean your precious melody is more important, you goddamn primadonna stringfucker

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>>71657453
>doesn't know how many openings Leclair have for solo violin cadenzas in his op. 10 concertos
>this salty
Don't be so angry just because we get all the attention and boys.

>>71657496
I HOPE A HARPSICHORD FALLS ON YOU REEEEE

>>71657362
fuck you Poly

>>71657322
It might just be me but much of Messiaen's music is firmly rooted in the uncanny valley. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it but it can be really chilling on the right occasion. Its hard to believe he considered any of it as worshipful.

Eclair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzZltbtAl4c

Bassagaglia :DDDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMkv-tzy3TE

>>71657322
Some of Kurt Weill and John Kander's stuff feels creepy and off center imo.

>>71658831
Wait, you just don't like musicals I guess?

>>71659001
No. I meant all of their stuff. Weill's symphonies feel dark too.

Post a piece by a composer /classical/ never discusses, but should.

schoenberg quartets, pref 2nd

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>>71635423
/classical/ I'm in a pickle.
I want to play the violin, or rather I started two years ago. I can play the allemande from the partita no.2 to a decent standard but it took so much grinding, literally practicing all day, then practicing in the shed until 4 or 5AM.
I want to be good at this instrument so bad it hurts, every day since I started playing has been pure pain, I wanna be a heifetz or a kogan or a gidon kremer, but I know that that level of skill is locked off to me since I was 17 when I started.
It wouldn't be so bad, if I didn't still believe I can do it. But I do, and now every day is a pathetic struggle against futility, I can neither accomplish my dream nor let it die, this is the worst state in which a human being can exist I'm sure.

Why is Bartók the most acclaimed modern composer?

>>71660607
Because he's good

>>71660166
What a train wreck. You admit that becoming a high level concert violinist is beyond your reach then proceed to mope because for some reason you still think you can do it. Bravo.

For starters, I bet our definitions of 'decent standard' differ greatly. I've met loads of musicians from all backgrounds and disciplines that rushed into difficult works after only 2-3 years of instruction and none of them played them particularly well despite genuinely believing that they were talented or special or something. Anecdotal but I trust my experience in this field far more than the words of some random on 4chan.

Having to grind and practice all day is a sure sign that you're only committing things to muscle memory which is something that any brain-dead retard can do in place of actually learning the music. Could you transpose everything up or down a half step? If you made a mistake could you play through it or begin again on the exact note where you messed up? If you'd been patient and studied properly your sight reading and memorization skills would be developed enough that 3-5 hours of sitting down with the sheets would be enough for you to isolate all the difficult passages and key structural/harmonic elements and play through the piece slowly a few times, any more than that is inefficient.

Don't think for even a second that just because you can play the right notes to a grade 8 piece that you are anywhere near the musical knowledge and ability required to pass the exam for it. I bet you're closer to grade 2ish but even then I'm inclined to assume that you shirked theory, sight reading, and ear training in favor of just learning the notes to whatever pieces you like.

There are thousands upon thousands of people your age that have played for 15 years already and have still made more progress in those two years than you have. It's always the fucking weebs that have zero talent or discipline but enjoy living in their heads and pretending they matter. Grow up.

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>>71655536
Better than Vivaldi, that much is certain. He employs similar techniques for the strings, but that gallant period flair and restraint is showing. Less bombast, more passing around of the theme to other instruments, more dynamic variation etc.

>>71656986
I think the mods finally got off their asses and banned that shitstain. There are a few posts praising Bach quite forcefully upthread but he did not show up with his usual tantrum this time. Let's just hope he doesn't have a dynamic IP or is range banned.

>>71660994

Fucking demolished. Hopefully this isn't pasta because reading this was delicious. I agree with the part where you mentioned that grinding = committing to muscle memory. If you're truly skilled with an instrument to a high level, you should be able to sight read shit.

>>71660994
>>71660166
#rekt

>>71660166
just make sure you have a decent teacher and keep going for 8 more years, at 19 you still have 6 or 7 more years before your brain and body start calcifying

ignore >>71660994 this guy

>>71661074
>>71655536
Here's another nice recording. For the orchestral part, with sharper sound -- the flautist is worse but doesn't really interest me (I don't like the flute as a solo instrument; its timbre is too soft in the lower notes and zingy for the highs; old flutes made of wood don't have the same issues, but they have their own issues; man, I really don't like the flute, ok?). The solo part is mostly bravura anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol68P8W2g-o

>>71655873
R-K really, really, really liked the pentatonic didn't he?

Discovered that J.C Bach (not J.S Bach's son, but rather a second-cousin) wrote some pretty great music. This solo bass cantata is really emotional stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaD5SBK-_Qk
>>71635870
>no qt Hummel
I've been listening to his piano concerti a lot recently. Quite distinctively composed. Also the late Haydn masses should be included
>>71638652
>implying Lully came after Rameau
>>71638972
These are great >>71639021
There's Verdi's Macbeth, but it's not anywhere near as good as his late Shakespeare operas. He wanted to write operas based on King Lear and The Tempest as well, which could have been great but unfortunately never came to be.
>>71644258
Try Zelenka
>>71648735
Not really, so long as you don't just stick to "muh lark ascending" and listen to some of his other music which is pretty consistently of a high standard (just pretend he didn't write any operas)
>>71650508
His choral music gets a bit same-y since he struck upon a fairly "effective" style of writing and people liked it a lot, so he maintained it. His early music is pretty crazy, and his instrumental music remains pretty fresh throughout his catalogue

is marching/military music w&b?

>>71661702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zIfc08ZkA4

I'm looking for more moving, beautiful, haunting classical music. Stuff like Prokofiev's piano concertos, Elgar's cello concertos, debussy's piano, string quartets, and orchestral works, maurice ravel's piano works and string quartets, chopin's nocturns and preludes, brahms symphony no. 4. I also really like the spirited away soundtrack and the end of evangelion soundtrack.

Chuck Berry > all classical tradition

>>71662023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZcjDG9iPOo

>>71662023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJWLU1ja_1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFOFwPDBMH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axd3mRPTbS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4uZvhjQNi0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q8ClARZCJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDrOdCtnkfs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xIFzvMkXwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42cVbfcDKag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0FhT39zqlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l-QoWvkRtM

>>71662047
>>71662140
Thanks

>>71662023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-P183jzdfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuzOeasxEM
(especially the 2nd and 3rd movements)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brg9X2QFF6Q
+the slow movements from two thirds of Mozart piano concerti.
+half of Edvard Grieg's oeuvre

>>71662273
Thank you too.
>>71662047
I am enjoying this so much right now. It's absolutely beautiful.

>>71662273
>>71662023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvh8Q8L-dGI
+Sibelius' Symphony No. 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbUZ7PMdTjE
(all of it -- if you don't know French, go grab a libretto with translation to follow along. Or just listen for the music, it's great, and there are no recitatives. Dir. Richard Bonynge, with the Monte-Carlo Philharmonic Orchestra)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKG8ZxEOdwE
(same as above)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4EDwHCR-PI

I think this along with brahms piano concerto op.60 in c minor III andante are my favorite pieces of classical music, along with what I listed up there. It's absolutely the most beautiful and moving thing I have heard in classical music. I think the only good recording of the brahms piece I've heard is by Menahem Pressler in the Verbier festival. That was the best performance of the schumann and brahms piece I have heard. That also has the best interpretation of the schumann piece I've heard too, that verbier performance.

>>71662349
Thank you.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkqei0cxngjowkl/Brahms_%20Piano%20Quartet%20in%20C%20Minor%2C%20Op.m4v?dl=0

Here's a link to that verbier performance. I wish I had the full performance, I have been contemplating paying the 12 dollars to own the whole thing with the schumann pieces included.

Petzold

Petrol

Petz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcldS558WY8

Hi
can someone explain this petzold meme? :)
Thanks

>>71656986
>>71661074
It sounds fun, do you have any screencaps of his posts?

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>>71662625
>>71662656
Did I ever mention that I hate this meme and how it's so often used to bump the thread? Well, I HAAAAAAAAATE this meme!

>>71662404
That was really nice.

I'll have to listen to more Schumann.

>>71662681
I was expecting a shitpost but that's not a bad sonata at all. Great for a moment of respite on windy, cloudy days.

>>71655536
>>71661346
Terrible fucking interpretations.
https://youtu.be/YHicGx0iI0Q

>>71662404
Agreed my friend.
Schumann's piano quartet and quintet are my favourite pieces in his repertoire (followed closely by the piano concerto in a minor), and some of my favourite music in general. This music truly has everything.

These 3 pieces, imo, single handedly justified Schumann's existence at large.

>>71663127
No. Just no. That's awful. Where's the continuo? Oh, right, it's drowned by the the strings. Because
>muh let's record it in a large hall
>muh reverb makes it authentic
And if that wasn't bad enough, whoever engineered that placed the microphones way too close to the violins.This isn't a concerto for flute and violin for fuck's sake.

Yes, I'm mad. You're such a fucking plebeian.

>>71663266
>>71663127
I cannot emphasise enough just how dumb this performance and recording style. It simply destroys half the content in the music because someone has a violin fetish. So many Vivaldi recordings have this exact same problem, exacerbating his autism.

I've been exploring more English choral music lately.

Just this morning I discovered an exquisite 30-second Kyrie in one of Charles Villiers Stanford's services - starts at 16:00:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MPkSeOyQJ0

>>71663490
thats hardly a masterwork

>>71663560

I certainly didn't claim it was. But it's very pleasant on a Sunday morning for people with memories of going to church.

Stanford and his ilk are underrated, at least in the US.

>>71657120
Fuck you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaOP5KeACDQ&t=24s

A. Scarlatti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InZ_4CAcE78

>>71663643
>ugly hipster wasting his daddy's money
Cringe.

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Lads...

>Glenn Gould invites you in his home
>''Wow Glenn, this is a very nice hou-''
>''SHUT UP!'' he utters
>he gives you nervously 10 sheets of paper

>tfw he fucking scripted this evening conversation
God, Glenn is the worst

>>71664151
Nerd, I will find you and waste your daddy's money next time.

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>>71664290
his preludes and fugues were breddy gud tho

>>71664290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqtJvnth3YI

>>71664365
What the fuck

>>71663490
Stanford is one of those composers that is extremely pleasant listening and has certain moments that are really quite something.

Check out his evening services (the ones in G, A, C and B-flat are standard parts of the Anglican repertoire). His Te Deum in B-flat is a bit garish at times, but I rather like it. Then there are his songs of the sea/songs of the fleet which are very Anglo-imperial, but again have a certain charm.

Kusser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOfsyAXzFmw

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>>71664365

>>71664365
How can you not love this guy?

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He's Easley the best microtonal composer there is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbuFPpiJL1o

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>>71664365

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>you're not christian
>you don't have a ego large enough to want to express your feelings and opinions through art

I can't find a reason for composing tonally, all the reasons that motivated old composers are not available to me. I can't justify striving beauty for the sake of it, and nothing in this world makes me want to do anything but smashing my piano with a baseball bat.

Is this how Stockhausen felt like?

>>71664682
It sounds similar to Renaissance microtonal music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0akGtDPVRxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhGwjgZ8zIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q1BiQzNAqY

>>71664859
Yes, empty heart and weak soul, he could only destroy and degrade.

>>71664859
You're only rationalising away the fact that you suck. My advice: give up any pretence of being a composer.

>>71665028
I'm not saying that I'm not able to write tonal music, I'm just saying that I feel I'm not able to do so sincerely, and that when I look at my experience rationally I find no reason that can change my mind.
I don't see why are you equating this dilemma with being a bad composer.

>>71665097
No, I'm saying you're not able to write *good* tonal music, so you throw your arms up in the air and just fuck around instead.

>>71665138
I haven't said that, that's something that you're implying (which also does not add anything to this conversation).

>>71664930
Vicentino is severely underrated

>>71665186
Of course you wouldn't say it. It's an educated guess. (I'm not even one of those "boohooo contemporary music sucks" people.)

Your pity fishing blogposting isn't adding anything to the thread either. That's why I'm glad you decided to make your confession while the thread is bumlocked. I really am.

>>71665240
>boohooo contemporary music sucks
I haven't said that I'm composing atonal music for fuck's sake. Stop projecting

>Your pity fishing blogposting isn't adding anything to the thread either
Why not? It's in part biographic, but in it there is a larger question on the value of the music's metaphysical foundation, which I find too dissonant with the world we all live in.

Why should you write beautiful music? Only because you can?

>>71665280
I subscribe to virtue ethics. I find programmatic conceptions of morality (and consequently questions like "ought one do...") nonsensical.

>>71665337
>I subscribe to virtue ethics.
Can you expand on it?

>I find programmatic conceptions of morality (and consequently questions like "ought one do...") nonsensical.
This is not a question that stems from teh outside world, rather it's a question that stems from my personality. There are many standards that you can hold when writing music, but the one I value above all are sincerity (which is absolutely compatible with virtue ethics), and this sincerity istinctively precludes to me the choice of writing beautiful or sentimental music for its own sake.

Until I'll find a reason to do so I'll keep studying theory and old and contemporary composers' scores. Don't worry, I won't really bother you with a piece of me smashing a piano with a baseball bat.

Where's the fucking NEW THREAD???

where do you learn composing tho

>>71665603
write a note, then write another note, then...

>>71665502
Here

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>>71649767
Finished listening to them, liked all of them thanks friends.