Why do critics hate prog and metal and love punk?

>>71611245
It's time to stop old man.

why do you care what critics think

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S71289914

The answers to all that and more can be found here, the last time you posted this thread.

>>71611245
Christgau is utter shit

scaruffi likes all of those genres

>>71611245
Metal and prog are too masculine. Not masculine as in actually tough or whatever though. Masculine as in a focus on maximalism, pushing boundaries through established means (that's why there is such a focus on technicality), and bravado. They prefer femininity such as minimalism, pushing boundaries through pure expression, and modesty. As in your face as punk is, it's very feminine for the most part. The instrumentation is bare bones, the music is simple yet expressive, and the lyrics don't have the flare for the dramatic that metal has. Rap gets a pass because a) white guilt and b) because it's basically black punk. Even metal critics prefer feminine metal such as deafheaven (I like deafheaven btw). Critics of most mediums since at least the 20th century have preferred femininity. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but that is why.

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>>71613685

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Because prog and metal are derivative of existing styles. Punk is deconstructive and therefore more reflective of the new crit and postmodern hip 2cool4u style which critics inevitably have to pander to as the cutting edge coolhunters and arbiters of style.

Although that is less true today than it was in the 90s and early 2000s.

>>71613442
based piero

>>71613697
He's right you know

>>71613768
punk is just as derivative as everything else

>>71614394
care to explain?

>>71614416
It's chuck berry rock but faster and simpler

>>71614433
>simpler

Like I said, it is deconstructionist. This is the essence of punk, I'm not sure how anyone could deny that. To say it isn't derivative isn't to say it doesn't have roots, but that it makes an effort to distinguish itself from those roots. Punk was revolutionary in a way that progressive rock was not.

Progressive rock is, as the name would suggest, a progression of an existing foundation, whereas Punk is the dismissal of said foundation

>>71614481
>it makes an effort to distinguish
It doesn't though. Post punk does this by taking influences from non rock genres. Punk is just the kinks but faster. It's not a deconstruction, it's just an extension.

>>71611245
because they can't play, it's really simple

>>71611308
Why do people assume that everyone who uses the first image of a well-known critic that appears on Google Images is a singular avatarfag?

>>71611245
Metal and Prog bands, both as artists and through their music, usually take themselves more seriously than punk artists.

>>71614481
Punk is a dismissal of playing instruments in tune and almost any technical proficiency. Not to mention that most punk bands were just there to cash in on a growing trend alongside record company executives.And punk deconstructed music back to its infancy. Your point about deconstruction would've made sense if you were talking about Captain Beefheart for example.

>>71615889
>Metal and Prog bands, both as artists and through their music, usually take themselves more seriously than punk artists.
And that's a bad thing how? Some of the most original and innovative music came from progressive rock and its sub-genres. I wouldn't consider that as a negative impact on music.

>>71615941
Why did you interpret "take themselves more seriously" as "were original and innovative?"

>>71616107
>Why did you interpret "take themselves more seriously" as "were original and innovative?"
Because most people use "take themselves more seriously" as a reason to completely dismiss a genre of progressive rock.

>>71616107
And weren't progressive rock bands original and innovative? After all, that's one of the main ideas of the genre. If you think that Asia is a genuine prog band, obviously that doesn't apply.

>>71613697
He's right you know

>>71611245
>why do middlebrow philistines prefer this kind of shit tier nigger music to this other kind of shit tier nigger music /mu/?!
Who gives a shit

>>71613768
this

>>71611245
Prog and metal are music for people who don't get music but think they do.

It doesn't matter how technically proficient you are if you have no idea what the fuck music is actually for.

Since when do critics hate prog or metal?

>>71613685
Punk, underneath it's "macho" posturing is extremely feminine, it promotes inclusiveness by telling you it's not important that you can't play or write music, just go and start your own band, it promotes tolerance and acceptance of mediocrity, and it appeals to the emotions and feelings of the general public by talking about social issues. It basically promotes female traits.
Meanwhile metal and prog focused on the exact opposite things, for example the often mentioned "wankery" that people love to use when criticizing prog is nothing but good old fashioned competition between boys, a traditional masculine act, and even when some of those bands decided to talk about social issues similar to punk bands, they still dressed it up nicely instead of just shouting a bunch of protest slogans into the mic. Of course a lot of that changed when both genres, especially metal, started flirting with punk.

>>71614416
Minimalism had existed for years by the time punk became a thing. It was only a matter of time until someone applied it (however unintentional it may have been) to rock music.

>>71617648
>Prog and metal are music for people who don't get music but think they do
Yeah because Pitchfork drones totally do lmao

>>71617841
Has there been any critically acclaimed prog and metal recently apart from Deafheaven, Mastodon and Steven Wilson?

>>71617024
>prog and metal
>nigger music

>>71611245
>prog and metal
>requires technical ability

>punk
>DUDE POWER CHORDS LMAO

>>71617648
>if you have no idea what the fuck music is actually for.

what is music for

>>71613697
He's right you know

>>71618191
>even when some of those bands decided to talk about social issues similar to punk bands, they still dressed it up nicely instead of just shouting a bunch of protest slogans into the mic
This, this exactly. 21st Century Schizoid Man, literally the first prog song, is actually a critique of the Vietnam War, and King Crimson's name itself is actually a criticism of the Vietnam War's architects (historically, a "crimson king" referred to someone whose reign had a lot of bloodshed, and KC formed in the height of said war - 1968)! War Pigs is also a pretty well-done critique of the Vietnam War (well, war in general, but it also came out in the height of said war). But they were very subtle about it, they didn't shout "FUCK NIXON!" into the mics halfway through their songs and make a big show out of it. (The most that Fripp did was shortly announce on stage that 21CM was dedicated to Spiro Agnew before playing it live once in 1969, which is honestly a pretty good way to do it.)

>>71617648
>It doesn't matter how technically proficient you are if you have no idea what the fuck music is actually for.
I'm sure the exact purpose of music is perfectly in accordance with your personal tastes.