/classical/

>think of a good OP
>make thread
>forget /classical/ in the subject

2nd for Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Dcl7rUrrU

Reminder that Puccini is shit.
SHIT.

>>71563775
Being self-taught is not a compliment when your music is shit.

>>71563941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OAKkmWx690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCk--tJt0iE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vEE_Gi2gYQ

he wrote fugues better than poly

>"I learned nothing from Haydn" -- Beethoven
Never trust a composer

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>>71564025

>>71564045
That's fairly self-evident, maybe Memehoven would have actually been good if he had.

>>71563712
That's subjective. I think some of his late works are very great, and Oedipe is one of my favorite operatic works.

I think he just unlucky in how wide his talent was. Not to mention his personalty, that of an obsessive perfectionist, lended itself to the bad habit of endlessly working on his compositions, and many were left unfinished. He also had a ton of students (most of which he tought for free), and was regularly performing all the time. I think he was just stretched thin. I kind of wish he was more selfish, because things like his String Trio, Impressions, and his late sonatas, are very good indeed. Never been convinced by his symphonies, though. Especially the 2nd which is endlessly contrapuntal. Then again, they haven't been performed very well.

>>71563775
Self-taught thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLDNcwidBFY&t=1041s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuoxyjQzcYY

>>71564143
weren't all pre-baroque composers self-taught

>there will never be a decent recording of Idomeneo
Why even live desu

>>71564160
But none of those composers I linked were pre baroque tho???

>>71564193
Jacobs is great

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>>71564143
>(1661--)

>>71564270
>he's still alive

Fact: Mozart is underrated
Fact: Underrating Mozart is a sign of low musical IQ and/or autism
Fact: Mozart really is unironically the best composer of all time
Fact: Due to the vastness of his catalogue, there quite literally is zero (0) reason to listen to other composers than Mozart

>>71564045
Wow, what an ingrate

Ok /classical/eeches, it's time to discuss Bach again. Specifically OVPP (One Voice per Part) performances. I'm not interested in whether the practice had any historical validity (although I am in general, a purist). By way of analogy, the ancient greeks used to paint their statues, and most look better with the paint washed off. Not to say it's the same with Bach's vocal compositions, but surprisingly (again, I'm a purist autist; I OCD about "authenticity" all the time), I've found that a couple of Bach's cantatas actually sound better without a choir, like Herz und Mund und Tat und Leben. The first chorus always ends up sounding like shit when sang by an actual chorus, with accidental dissonances galore.

So, what's you take on it?

What is the consensus of /classical/ on Paganini?

>>71564540
Trash.

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>>71555131
>Bog and Schoenberg share the same aesthetic - amelodic, clanging, gargling, amorphous, choppy, sterile
>Bach
>amelodic, clanging, gargling, amorphous, choppy
>implying anon isn't literally tone deaf
>mfw you will never hear this, since you're biologically unable to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pNeIGKZ8Dk

>>71564540
As trash as Liszt

>>71564620
worse Tbh

>>71564553
>>71564620
>>71564627

:(

Why? I enjoy some of his wanky violin work

>>71564540
A complete wanker. His music would put me to sleep if it weren't for the fact that is so damn strident, theatrical to the point of garishness that it's grating on my nerves. He should have stuck to performances. Long fingers don't help when you're a rubbish composer.

>>71563775
Mozart 39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0x_dCrKd4w

>>71564738
Too repetitive. Mozart couldn't write in sonata form to save his life. Post something by someone who actually knew how to develop a theme and write a symphony. He is best with his later opera and concerti. Bravura and catchy tunes are not enough to sustain a symphony.

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>You're in the concert hall and this guy slaps your girlfriend's ass

what do, lads?

Moroi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYE4vSgIZKQ

>>71564799
beat him to death with my boots

>>71564799
I'm 99% sure that I would gasp loudly.

>>71564620
>Liszt underrating

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>>71564776
>Too repetitive.

>>71564620
take that back you fucker

Liszt is literally the best composer since Beethoven

>>71565107
>being this fucking retarded

>>71564006
Mussorgsky BTFO

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>Be Nietzsche
>give to your friend Wagner some piano pieces of yours
>he literally cry with laughter in front of you and other gentleman

>proceed to write 4 essays on why does Wagner suck

>>71565341
Nietzsche's music is bloody mediocre at best. He deserved getting laughed at. Did it actually happen?

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>>71565382
>not listening to Nietzsche's songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pSvEh4yk0c

>>71565382
shut up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2afrV4f-9EI

>>71565413
>>71565444
Man this is so gay

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/arts/music/yo-yo-ma-esa-pekka-salonen-concerto.html
>Salonen wrote a cello concerto
Recording when

>>71565382
No it is just Wagnerites fantasising. Nietzsche himself said he was a failed musician but he was still a much better pianist than Wagner, which Wagner acknowledged.

>>71564540
Would love one, but my grill broke.

>>71565474
His Wing on Wing is pretty good.

>>71565474
>When I started out, I was an obedient student of the modernist movement. And I listened to my superiors, Boulez and so on, and of course in that world there is no space for narrative, none. The very idea that music would be about something, it was soft. And as I get older, I realize that all music is about something. There isn’t one note that isn’t.
Is he right?

>>71565483
>No it is just Wagnerites fantasising
The only fantasy I have in regards to Nietzsche is far removed froma nything music related :^)

>>71565539
Of course, isn't one hundred years of wasted academic music a strong enough proof for you?

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The two most boring things ever devised in classical music:
Fugues
Theme and variations

Why anyone writes in any of these forms is beyond me. Heaven forbid they write fugal variations in a set of theme and variations.

>>71565625
>Why anyone writes in any of these forms is beyond me.
Honest answer from a fellow composer: they're extremely fun to compose, it's more of a game than anything. If you can make something out of it it is even better.

speaking of philosopher composers, Adorno was pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Tc4mXodrI

>>71565483
>much better pianist than Wagner
not a big deal since Wagner wasn't a pianist.

hey guys. im quite new to classical music. i mean ie listened to pretty much what everyone else has listened to, mozart, beethoven, and a little bit of bach. i enjoyed the carmina burana if that helps.

>>71566067
>i enjoyed the carmina burana if that helps.
perhaps classical music is not your cup of tea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ti59NdbG1c

Hype pieces? Currently have the 2nd movement of Beethoven's 7th Symphony in mind.

>>71566230
1st movement of tchaikovsky violin concerto

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What are you listening /classical/?

>>71566230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejMR6wsNkQ8

>>71566316
rachmaninov preludes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj84l05xWg0

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>>71566316

>>71566316
JL Krebs, organ works

>>71565539
>plebs who sell out to make kitschy crap

>>71566462
Modernist music is LITERALLY a CIA psyop

>>71566316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO8R1w8qrgo

>>71566518
Taruskin pls go

Anyone have Barenboim's new Boulez album?

>>71564045
Fuck Beethoven for this

>>71566316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CELaadDPhZ8

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Diagram: Explanation of Mozart being underrated.

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>>71565444

This needs to be slower.

>>71565413
>>71565444
>>71565469

Reminder that this was written by Nietzsche as a teenager, before he gave up composing, supposedly.

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>>71568010

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>>71564270

Petzold

>>71563775
how did you classic fags into classical?
what was the first piece that drawwed you into the genre

>be me at 8-9
>watch fantasia and liked the music
>ask my mum about it
>she had a cassette tape with music from saint-saens
>liked carnival of the animals like the pleb i was
>later discovered the cassette had a backside with more music
>listened to saint-saens 3th symphony
>was blown away by it
>later discovered my mum had some cds with classical music
>later started to take piano classes
>12 years later and i still can't play for shit, but at least i deiscovered the joys of classical music

>>71568349

>be me
>be 14
>start checking out classical, listen to some dvorak, vivaldi and holst
>be 15 or 16
>start music school
>music history is now mandatory
>was the only one who gave a shit in my class

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>>71568349
>play violin
>have asian parents
>???

Petzold

I'm looking for an album, but all I can remember is the cover art. It was a photograph of a blonde woman's and a handsome man's faces, and it had a very long title. I can't remember anything else besides that it was classical.

help

Essential pre-Bach composers?

>>71569228
Buxtehude

>>71569228
Josquin
Ockeghem
Monteverdi
Praetorius
Schutz

Today I passed up on a vinyl copy of Die Entführung aus dem Serail conducted by Bohm

How bad did I fuck up?

>>71569959
>Bohm
not much

>>71565474
Sweet. I like the last concerto he did.

>>71569228
Petzold

>>71568924
lol

>>71564563
>posts a stereotypical amelodic, clanging, gargling, amorphous, choppy, sterile piece
>any random conglomeration of notes qualifies as a melody to a bogbilly if it's played slower than a jig

Can't make this shit up I swear.

>>71565382

Can't be worse than Bog.

>>71568349
>be mealfag
>listen to rite of spring
>slowly stopped listening to meal
thank god for memeclassical

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hgiP3XLKQ8

Poulenc

>>71564563
>>71572893
>reminder that chopin's smallest piece is incommensurably more melodic than all of bog's 3000 pieces (of shit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3MqFP0-ekU

>>71573233
>no great composer has ever composed a fugue as bad as the Chopin's one

>>71568349
>dad loves Beethoven
>start playing piano when I was 3
>become a virtuoso, but not virtuoso enough to pack stadiums
>start studying composition when I was 8
>get quite good at it, but no one will perform my tonal music and I'm completely oblivious to contemporary trends

Fuck my life I guess

Petzold? More like Bach is fucking old

>>71568349
I started piano lessons in 2nd grade and up until like 8th or so I "liked" classical music but if 5 Hours of Relaxing Classical Music for Sleep or Studying existed back then, I probably would have listened to that exclusively, ya know? My lessons were pretty much just learning how 2 pop music and obviously I didn't get very far (it was for fun anyway) but around 8th/9th grade a new teacher came in who actually knew what she was doing and she basically got me into seriously listening to classical music by exposure to piano literature. And in high school band we played an arrangement of the 2nd movement of Lenny Bernstein's 1st symphony which I was blown away by. Then it kinda snowballed from there.

>>71573383

Bog has more bad (even by Bog standards) fugues than all other composers' fugues put together.

>>71563775
Is there anybody that looks as majestic as heifetz while playing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR6CGXneIuI

>>71569228
Palestrina, Lassus, Taverner, Gesualdo, Fayrfax, Anonymous IV, Victoria.

Essentially all the important renaissance and late medieval composers

>>71568349
>what was the first piece that drawwed you into the genre
mother playing Bach cello suites on the cello ever since we were babies.
Bach is in my blood

>>71574377

my condolences

>>71572946
whats a mealfag

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>bogbillies

>>71572946
idiot

>>71568089
Welp...

>I ain't gonna make it

Remind me, why even live?

>>71574525
To be fair they're not that good.
The violin always follow the piano melodic line, and the modulations are somewhat rare and not that original.
I'm pretty sure that anyone can learn how to compose like that in 6 months of formal training.

>>71574855

If it said "Brahms" instead of "Nietzsche" in the title you'd be writhing on the floor spewing numerobabble in praise of this concatenation of hypervibratory entanglement.

>>71574891
I've studied enough Brahms scores to know that that would not be the case.
Also don't take offense, I'm not saying that they're worthless (although even historically they are not that interesting, since they were composed in the most uneventful years of Nietzsche's life), what I'm saying is that they're still amateurish (wich is fine, since he has not spent decades searching for his own compositional voice).

Does any recognize what composer or piece this is?

https://youtu.be/UqypoZW0Gk0?t=21m46s

>>71565688
>Adorno was pretty good
Yes, about as good as his philosophy, i.e. a steaming pile ear grating shit. Kill yourself tumblrite.

>>71575278
Go be triggered elsewhere nu-male, shoo.

Petzold

>>71575278
Only poseurs and people who haven't actually listened to Adorno actually hate on Adorno

>>71575356
>tumblr
>calling someone else a nu-male
Do you wear a fedora?

>>71575396
No, only people who actually like music hate Adorno. Just like people who like art hate Jackson Pollock. Go be a pleb somwehre else.

>>71575417
Why u mad tho?

>>71564563
Wait, what the fuck is "Bog"? Bach?

>>71575402
No sorry, you'll have to find someone else to take enlightened tumblr picks with.

Quite like Adorno but I think Artur Schnabel, the pianist, was a similar part time composer with more interesting, less academic sounding music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_alhwz3MC2k

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>who /harpsichord/ in here?

https://youtu.be/utrlN_AT01I

Conus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W7_4Rcs_YY

>>71575564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyodQqilqyU

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Has anyone else listened to Schubert's unfinished oratorio, "Lazarus" before? The first Act is complete and only part of the second Act was recovered, the rest is either missing or was never completed.

The oratorio suits Schubert much better, imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LthxH8sVlBA

>>71575481
yes, that's his forced meme

honestly he should just get a trip already

>>71575417
Commodity music enabler spotted

>>71575615
Yeah his operas suck but his choral music is great. Brahms' secular choral too is worth hearing.

What's the best (preferably free) composition/scoring software?

So... I want to listen to some classical but jesus christ where to start.
I was watching Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) las night and really enjoyed the soundtrack, which i take to be romantic classical music???
What is something similar to that to ease me into the genre. Also artists to listen to?

>>71576044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8qiAMOiygs

>>71576073
off to sleep now but will give my impressions on the morrow

Tennstedt is so underrated. This is the best New World.

https://youtu.be/MEZYx9aeA0w

How do you guys feel about Steve Reich?

>>71576403
A cunt

>>71576461
why

>>71576403
American art music is so shit. Minimalism, etc, is complete tedious degenerate drivel. I don't care what you call it, but it's not European classical music.

>>71576561
Elliott Carter is one of the GOATs what the fuck are you talking about anon

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explain why this general has such an obsession with baroque/pre-baroque music

>>71576801
Everyone already gives enough attention to Romantic era composers and after Serialism there's not a lot of worthwhile composers, Classical era should be discussed more though.

List some of the essential classical pianist's repertoire. I'll start:

Beethoven Sonatas
Bach WTC I and II
Chopin Ballades + Op.49 Fantasie
Mozart Sonatas
Rachmaninov Preludes, Op.39 Etudes-Tableux

anything worthwhile from liszt?

>>71576890
Schubert Sonatas + Impromptus
Schumann pieces from various sets
Scriabin Sonatas
Debussy Preludes + Images bk.1+2
Albeniz: Iberia

>>71576371

Why is Tennstedt so comparatively passed over?

Did he piss off the Jews or something?

>>71576890
some of Scarlatti's keyboard sonatas
some of Haydn's sonatas
Shostakovich preludes and fugues
Brahm's sonatas and op117-119 pieces
Grieg lyric pieces

>>71576890
Brahms Intermezzos

>>71576561
Minimalism is much more innovative and creative than European classical.

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>>71577260
>>71577278
>>71577308
Prove me wrong.

>>71577313

We hold these facts to be self-evident.

>>71564799

Two words: "dwarf tossing."

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>>71577238
Whatever you say bro...

>>71564620
Looks like someone doesn't know shit

>>71576890
>WTC I and II
>forgetting the Inventions and Sinfonias

Bach honestly deserves an extra entry or two, desu.

You've also forgotten Brahms' op 116-118

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>>71577238

It's also music. Unlike most European Classical.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJWLU1ja_1Y

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tfw there are actually people in this thread who think Bach is shite....

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>>71578279

More like mud. From a bog.

>>71578086
>>71578313
This is what happens when firetruck-core absorves your very being

Is it normal not to "like" classical pieces on the first listen? I grew up studying classical piano, but I very rarely enjoy any piece when I hear it for the first time. Only when I get to know them can I start enjoying them, but sometimes that doesn't help either.

I've been listening to some Mozart operas today and am currently going through Brahms' first symphony. I don't think I will manage to get through it. On the other hand, some works just instantly click with me and I can't stop listening to them, but that doesn't happen very often.

>>71578623
>Is it normal not to "like" classical pieces

Yes.

>>71578623
>Mozart operas
They're a product of their time, it may take a try or two. Also, depending on the opera, it may help to know what were the expectations of Mozart's Viennese audiences. Le Nozze di Figaro makes way more sense once you understand what parts were considered scandalous (and I think that it is important to know all of these elements, since we're talking about opera: the music may be perfect, but it's not the only thing that is being presented).

>Brahms' first symphony
Can you read scores? And can you analyze them? How much year training have you made?
Imo Brahms is tough to understand if all these skills are not in check, but as soon as you get proficient in those the genius behind those perfect structures and developements will become evident.
You don't necessarly need to know how to read scores, or how to transcribe mentally music, it just speeds up the process. Yet, if you don't do it you will have to listen lots of times to his music, with the risk of discovering that you would have not liked it in the first place even if formally trained.

>>71577576
You'd beat off Thomas Quasthoff?

>>9235032
A guy here said that Beethoven is better than Neutral Milk Hotel, and 2 other guys joined the fight.
Who's right?

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/classical-music-news/found-four-late-lost-beethoven-quartets-from-1827

Fuck, now I'm hyped.

>>71578847
11 years, but I'm really not that proficient in theory. I know some harmony and counterpoint, but that's all, I never analysed full pieces (only theorists or composers did that). How could I transcribe everything in my head without a perfect pitch, though? That's the thing that always bothered me.

Btw, I know this is not theory or comp general, but since those are dead, let me ask here.

I'm going through some harmony and theory books atm - Piston's Harmony, Complete Musician by Laitz and one harmony book in my native language (which is actually much deeper than Piston's and is the only book used in academy here). On what level will I be when I finish those books? What's the next step?

>>71579076
>How could I transcribe everything in my head without a perfect pitch, though?
Can't you remember no pitch whatsoever?
After 8 years of piano I can sing a middle C at will, and after 5 years of tuning my brother's classical guitar I can also sing a high E at will.
If you can memorize even only one piece you should be fine. If you can't do that you're best bet is to try to identify the position of the flats and sharps and how far are they from the dominant.
>On what level will I be when I finish those books?
It depends on what do you mean for finishing those books, and how much exercises (and what kind) are you doing. To be honest I'm not familiar with those 2 books, so I can't really give you specific advices on it.
Are you studying with a teacher?

>>71576924
i don't really think he's passed over, i see him pop up in conversations about interpretation a lot

>>71576890
basically anything from Liszt's late period is worth hearing

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>>71576371

Thanks for this, anon.

>>71578995
>niNInini-niNIniNI-screechyscreechy-brrrrrrrommm-bum.........BUMNINININININININININININININIninininININININininininININININininininNININnininNININinininiNININInininININInininiNINININININININININI

>>71578995
That wasn't funny anon :(

>>71578995
>see this post
>check frantically for the new quartets
>it was a ruse
>tfw still found out that there was a 16th quartet

FUCKKKKK, I've always listened to the Alban Berg Quartet cd and they only got in there the first 15 ones.

>>71579133
Probably just a C, but even that is not always perfect. I even had ear training for a few months, but it didn't really help. If you played something random and told me to sing a C, I would get influenced by the tonality of the previous piece and wouldn't be able to do it.

Anyway, I'm studying alone in a free time. I'm just reading through Laitz for now, but I'm practicing harmony exercises from the other 2 books. Yeah, it kinda sucks not to have anyone to correct me, but I don't see why I couldn't be able to learn theory by myself.

I don't know, all in all, music theory is still rocket science to me. Being above average performer just resulted in passing theory subjects easily without learning enough. And my ear and improvisation skills are pretty bad.

>>71579292

>I even had ear training for a few months

Keep it up, constantly.
https://www.musictheory.net/exercises

>>71579329
it was with a teacher from an academy - waste of time and money t b h. Yeah, I'm using this site too.

>>71579382

The aim is relative pitch, not absolute pitch. Did your relative pitch sense not improve at all?

>>71578995
>DG
LFMAO

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>>71577238
>>71577260
>>71577278
>>71577308
>>71577313
>>71577336

>>71579432
This was a catch - the goal was to achieve a perfect pitch through various exercises. I don't know if it really worked on anyone else, but it didn't for me.

Yeah, it was half relative pitch training, half perfect pitch training, so I guess my relative pitch did somewhat improve, but that's far from good t b h. But yeah, I can go through interval recognition quite easily. But I still fucking suck at dictates and recognition of 4th chords particularly. It's not even enough to pass an entry exam.

>>71579545
meant seventh chords*

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Loli > Poly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St4czzKcROE

So I'm listening to a recording of Tristan und Isolde and it's actually really boring. Am I supposed to be watching this being performed live with a program in hand or is opera just not my thing?

>>71578279
It's just one guy abusing the fact that we lack user IDs on this board.

>>71579988
Wagner just sucks lmao

>>71579988
what recording

>>71565191
>mfw Mussorgsky was such an idiot instead of filling out two measures of 6/4 with a leading tone he opted to have Promenade in 11/4 time

>>71580014
Furtwängler

>>71579934
Sounds like cinematic schlock but impressive for a 9 year old, assuming there's no ghost writing going on.

>>71579988

It IS boring.

>>71564620
but anon Liszt is the last relevant composer.

>>71579988

Wagner was just born to make preludes. That whole 'dreadful quarters of an hour' quote is dead on.

>>71580093
>this is what plebs believe

>>71580042
It's very well sung, but it's also one of the slowest ones recorded. Try Jiří Kout's DVD recording if you want visuals, it loses 25 minute on the Furt. Or try Karl Böhm's recording, which loses nearly an hour in comparison to Furt's.

If those don't pique your interest then Wagner might just not be for you, and that's fine.

What's the best recording of Haydn's Fire symphony (the 59th)?

>>71579988
To be honest, on music alone, Tristan & Isolde bore me to sleep too, and I like Wagner's later operas quite a lot. The work is interesting historically and as a story (probably one of the best libretti ever).

>>71580049
Yes I said it was better than Poly's music, not that its good. It didn't sound cinematic to me however. Just a Mendelssohn ripoff.

>>71580163
Thanks, I'll check out the Kout's DVD.

>>71580227
My ass queef is better than poly's shite

I want to start self-learning piano and music theory from 0, Going to buy an electrical one soon. What can/should i do meanwhile?

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>>71580293
Use the jewel dumbass

https://www.musictheory.net/exercises

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more like bogner

>>71580461
>still trying to force this meme
boganon literally SEETHING with virgin rage

>>71580514
>even /classical/ agrees bogner is a bogbilly
>s-stop trying to force the m-m-meme guy heh

>>71580553
having a laugh over here from you implying that those posts weren't made by yourself

>>71580586

There is more than one bogposter, and definitely more than one guy who hates G*rman music in general and Bogner in particular, you doody-drinker.

>>71580635
No, I think it's just you. How jewish are you?

>>71580635
>Implying that changing your punctuation is enough proof
Rolling on the floor laughing at Boganon refusing to admit he has no friends

>>71580635

oy vey german music is terrible am i right i cant be alone in this oy gevalt

>>71580635
While they aren't called Bachtists for nothing, someone who actively hates Bach as much as the bogposter has a magnitude of autism even greater than that of Glenn Gould.

I only have like 3 initial comments in this thread and was gonna call it a day but here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h_P8YfVAjo

/classical/ opinion on the greatest Mozart pianist, Geza Anda?

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>>71580635
>>71580828
>I am many guys, I swear, we are legion
boganon pls

>>71580889
Anda is good. I like his recording of the concertos, it's probably one of the most uniformly good collection of performances but he's not the greatest. That'd be Wilhelm Kempff.

Petzold

Cuckold

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>>71581412

You beckon?

Rameau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Pmnc-4C94

Mozart is degenerate masonic devilry. Listen to Bach for easy passage through the pearly gates.

page 9 emergency bump

can someone convince me to like the chopin mazurkas and polonaises thanks

how can we listen to classical music now if there were no microphones when beethoven was around

>>71582737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn8X31QvjRQ

>>71582738
meme magic

>>71582737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdjIhOwFEE

>>71582795

wtf i hate chopin mazurkas and polonaises forever now

>>71582811
wow, i actually like that piece now. He's probably the first recording I've heard who isn't overly blurring everything with the pedal; it actually sounds like a lively dance now

the other pianists all drag their feet along the floor as they dance

>>71582895

The person performing the piece makes all the difference in the world, I wonder how many pieces i've heard that I didn't like because the performer dun goofed.

guys i like flats better than sharps for no particular reason

is this autism

>>71583260
Flat is justice.

>>71583290
dunno, I know they're technically the same notes in equal temperament, but they just sound like they have a warmer tone and more vibrancy to them

what do you guys think of Dvorak?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEDeWyWgw4

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Brehs...

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>>71583423
Shitty after coming to America.

>>71564143
That was a nice piece by Telemann but in my opinion both Corelli and Vivaldi did La Follia better.

>>71583340
Autism.

>>71564143
How do I become self-taught in this day and age? What should I read and practice?

CPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8J6x2uMZE

>>71582895
if you like Lhevinne's tasteful pedaling, you would probably really like Rosenthal as well. not as virtuosic (he was pretty old when he was recorded) but the interpretations are very charismatic, in my opinion

also, maybe Ignaz Friedman? no one else quite gets the lilt in the Mazurkas like he does, in my view. notice, too, how independent the voices are in the left and right hand

https://f.lewd.se/C7kPNb_1.10.Mazurka%2COp.33%2CNo.4inBminor.mp3

>>71584407
Thanks, I'll have a listen

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>>71584253
>but in my opinion both Corelli and Vivaldi did La Follia better.
Then you probably don't play the violin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaFjs3G2tz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVlfkX9w4V4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=120hfW34Pkg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bng6P118R48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB3wtXkEzL4

>>71582738
A friend of mine actually asked me if the records in the record shop (in the classical section, bach beethoven etc.) were reprints of the original.

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Weird Mozart, Sokolov

Who did Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto the best?

>still 10 FL token on Retarded

I feel like I'm missing something...

>>71584682
stephen hough, but it's not available anywhere i dont think

>>71584682
Rachmaninoff

>>71584682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLn_i60XFqE
Petrov

>>71569228
Mozart

>>71584403
Very good.

>>71584682
Weissenberg

>>71584407
>Ignaz Friedman
Still /r/ing his complete recordings.
Maybe pippo will upload them again, though he uses uploaded which is fucking trash.

>>71584682
Petzold

>>71584916
gimmie a few mins, i have the Naxos set

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>>71584942
Sweet, thanks anon.

>>71584708
When in doubt get some Mozart.
What's replaced what by the way? I haven't kept up with all the /ptg/ nonsense.

Handel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUXTlYuitdY

>>71584495
Your first link is almost EXACTLY the same as Corelli's version so I fail to see your point there.
I heard Faronel's Ground just yesterday or the day before, kind of leaves much to be desired. Everything else you posted was pretty good though. You're right I don't play violin, I do I'm just not very good.

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>>71585355
>almost EXACTLY the same as Corelli's version
>several time signature changes
>sacrifices melody for technicality
>almost zero BC solo parts
>one's in G minor and the other is in D minor
Oh so you're just deaf. Explains why you're not very good at the violin too.

>>71585444

I'm gonna side with the other guy here purely because you're a disgusting weeb

>>71585487
No one was talking to you

>>71585444
>durr it's better because it's in a different key even though it's the same notes.
This is how you sound right now. Corelli's work didn't have BC solo either so you're wrong about that too. I don't remember Vivaldi's so I can't speak for it. Maybe lose the anime and focus more on the music, yes?

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>>71584971
https://mega.nz/#!WJNiTaYa!2iVvRKkTy0wFt0tf88Wom1ZBHAP3WwPxDFQDdO3ZFbc

took awhile. here.

also includes his Kreutzer with Huberman. the sound is superior to the Pearl set.

>>71585547

No, but I am talking to YOU.

>>71585617
>better
Fucking idiot. No where have I implied which is better, just that they're different. Learn to read before you use the internet behind your handler's back.
>Corelli's work didn't have BC solo either
https://youtu.be/VHRdFILo_Yw?t=167
>I don't remember Vivaldi's so I can't speak for it
https://youtu.be/9BLfaQ98FbM?t=388
Confirmed deaf, illiterate and fucking retarded.

>>71563775

>Armenian
https://youtu.be/y5tcbD5in7k
>Romani
https://youtu.be/OU--Ox25DCo
>Greek
https://youtu.be/PIecagaNuAY
https://youtu.be/IbKV8jLDFIk
https://youtu.be/AZI4q38lduY
>Latin
https://youtu.be/rwFXR5ett6U
https://youtu.be/5q6skxRLnsI
https://youtu.be/e-k1PKbt5fI
>French
https://youtu.be/GcPoXyxgYhw
>Mongolian
https://youtu.be/1rmo3fKeveo
https://youtu.be/qx8hrhBZJ98
https://youtu.be/JKKbxZvj0lQ (the remix)
>Russian
https://youtu.be/7Z6gVn6qwAA
>Arabic
https://youtu.be/2X5VjCqIAyk

>>71585777
what the fug

liszt wrote too much piano music

help me /mu/, what am I missing from this list:
Transcendental etudes
Paganini etudes
Concert etudes
Three years of pilgrimage + venezia e napoli
2 ballades
sonata
mephisto waltzes
hungarian rhapsodies
spanish rhapsody
consolations
deux legendes
dante sonata

>>71586155
piano concertos

>>71585746
>No where have I implied
Yes you did in your very first reply.

>>71586155

His various fantasies and transcriptions are worth looking into

Reminiscences de Don Juan
Reminiscences de Norma
Reminiscences de Robert le Diable
Tannhauser Overture Transcription
etc.

>>71586272
cheers

>>71586393
Ah yea thanks; I've heard of those, but the only one I've really had a close look at was don juan. It looked monstrous.

I think I can also add Harmonies poetiques et religieuses to the list

Petzold

>>71586155
A collection of those late works

>>71587009
What drives you?

>>71587009
Bach(Petzold)

>>71585030
both Apollo and Redacted are pretty much the same at this point, it isn't like what.cd - waffles which we knew which one was the one to go

>>71587278
Redacted has better quality control for lossless CD rips.

>>71587314
that's true, but I feel that Apollo is just slow in catching up

also, Redacted seems to a much larger community of people willing to buy albums just to fill a request

>>71582811
>>71582795
Listening to this again with a better ear or comprehension of music makes me appreciate just what a poor composer Chopin actually is. I will admit it sounds lovely but he clearly can't modulate or integrate secondary motives worth a shit. After the primary melody is introduced it just goes of the rails. It loses all its momentum while trying to move to the awkward resolution that ultimately involves a bullshit glissando into the proper key.

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZP7raZ9cNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD12AOCty0Q

Is this in Lydian?

I wanna make fun of boganon some more

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If I say "I Study Music" I can be saying a number of things. If I say "I study the styles within the common eras" you're going very specific.

My question is: If what you study or want to study is pretty much the collection of information available avout music in the form of the theorical counterpart of the music itself being played: From reading and using the pentagram to understanding the definitions of concepts like Harmony, Melody, Solfège, composition, what a frikkin hexachord is, etc, you know all the elements that makes music what it is apart form the actual musical aspect of it: The sound aspect of it: The performing instruments side of it. Does that get a heterogeneous name or in order to understand the totality of the written side of music (as opposed to the performed side) I have to start in several places at once and divide my time studying disciplines that might distant from eachother leaving perhaps spots and places like solfège and what not

tjats wjat O wamt to stufy: where can I stufey thata?

Who does Rameau best on the piano?

>>71588259
pleae to help a man under 20m zolpidem

,

>>71588259
I don't understand what you are asking anon. Are you asking if there's a term that can be used for the studying of music by ear? Because that's really just ear training.

Any classical records from this first quarter of the year that you have been loving? I feel for classical music it's been a fairly dry period for my favored labels.

>>71588952
I do not know any, post some of your favorites if you would like.

>>71588853
if theres one all-encompassing term for "learning the non-sound aspects of musc", from the basics (learning notes and whatnot) to being able to analise, say, a work by Schonberg as if it were a plane analiised by a arcitect

>>71574414
who the fuck are these monsters

>>71589020
typical anti-Bach posters.

>>71588977
The one recording I've found but haven't listened to yet that piqued my interest is of Debussy and Hosokawa on ECM. But even Hosokawa is an interesting but ultimately not very fulfilling composer for me so idk if I even want to look into it.

Hyperion's been slow, DG has been putting out meme releases, Linn's always unclear with what's a new vs old release.

I guess it's off to the PrestoClassical queue again

seems interesting:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Alia%2BVox/AVSA9920
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Evidence%2BClassics/EVCD030
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Sony/S2K62312

And I forgot that a new recording in a Harmonia mundi cycle of Monteverdi's Madrigals came out recently. I guess there's a bit of fun to be had

>>71589011
Nah it's just "studying music" i guess

last find was a recording of a premiere from my alma mater that I attended! not the best but fun to see in the PrestoClassical queue nonetheless

perhaps I'll tackle the Ligeti and Monteverdi tomorrow

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>>71588952
I got this sometime early this year.
It's ok. I hope >>71565474 gets recorded though, that'll probably be worth hearing.

>>71589255
Ah yes, did see this. I guess the issue is the recordings I'm seeing are mostly pieces I'm uninterested in. For instance I'm just not a Sibelius person.
Definitely looking forward to some sort of recording for Salonen's concerto. His violin work was at least decent even if I barely remember it

>>71589219
This was my favorite from last year

>>71589285
forget the pic?

>>71589277
>I'm just not a Sibelius person.
Me neither, I just bought it because I was at a concert and wanted to give a little more money to the MN orchestra, pretend I'm helping the arts and all. Migrations is neat but nothing great imo.

Maybe Andreas Staier or Ursula Oppens will pop something out this year. I haven't been paying attention to who's recording what. That Salonen Ligeti disc might be neat

>>71566103
I love these tunes! Damn, you're gonna get me playing M&B again lol

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>>71589346
fuck i'm high

Which are the most accessible Messiaen pieces?

>>71589539
Check the recordings Boulez did on DG

>>71589539
Depends on how you feel about listening to a single church organ drone on and on for an hour

>>71589277
Oh ya this is coming out relatively soon.
https://www.amazon.com/Hommage-Boulez-Daniel-Barenboim/dp/B01MZAVQGM
This might actually be pretty cool

>>71589554
I love the organ, but listening to his organ works it all feels random and improvised.

Could someone identify this piece based on this snippet from my memory?

https://clyp.it/qli2nitc

>>71589539
Turangalila. No doubt you heard of it and maybe even listened to it but I don't know what to say family that's entry level Messiaen. You just don't appreciate tonally complex music if you don't find Turangalila accessible

WHERE'S THE NEW THREAD??

>>71590185
Petzold

>>71589539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYpKI4jxpQ

Not really Messiaen though.

Maybe the Inherent Vice score is more your speed :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS8jrF3mWSw

>>71589539
Preludes and Quatuor pour la fin du temps

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>>71590243
Post yfw you finally understand that no avant-garde composer of the last century was actually able to write interesting tonal music

pic related, me grinning at Messiaen pathetic attempt while realizing that it is cause people like him that the last century has been a complete failure

>>71590297
I really love Messiaen but I have to agree that its not terribly Mozartian. It definitely evokes Mozart with some of the chromatic grace notes but that's about it. There are some questionable voicings that sound reasonably modern.

NEW THREAD
>>71590378
>>71590378
>>71590378

>>71590054
sounds like a jig

>>71565341
Bruh Nietzsche was already beggining to hate romanticism and antisemitism before that happened

>>71575417
>t. someone who thinks all Pollock did was action painting.

>>71590580
No its some bombastic think by Liszt or Wagner or maybe even Bruckner. Its actually much slower but I couldn't figure out what to do to make the chord at the end work though I wanted to evoke the minor modulation in case that would help someone.